Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks Nathan and Rob for the details on these. Unfortunately, mine are
completely gone, and it's hard to tell where they once were, although under
the right light I can see a few clues on the deck. I'm a bit done with boat
projects now after 4-5 months, but maybe next winter I'll investigate more.

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shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 7:05 PM Nathan Post  wrote:

> Shawn,
> On my 34 the deck to bulkhead fittings also leaked and as I found out were
> installed through cored laminate that had rotted so they were not doing
> much good. I recored the deck and used a piece of ~6x6” 1/2 inch thick g10
> fiberglass in place of balsa where the tang bolts. Planning on cutting the
> slot in that and through bolting it again so hopefully it will be stiff
> enough not to leak. I am assuming that they are structurally required so I
> plan on putting them back.
>
> Nathan Post
> S/V Wisper
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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I have a copy of the same letter that came with our 35-2, #270. I also have
a table showing the pressures vs lbs force. I'll try to remember to share
it.

Some great insight on this thread! Our backstay adjuster needs a rebuild,
and won't go beyond about 800psi, but that is still enough to make the head
door difficult to latch. It has only come open once in heavy seas though.
With two forestays, I'm not sure how that affects things. We also have a
new holding tank under the v-berth; I wasn't aware the original one was
outboard of the head it sounds like?

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On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 7:39 PM david--- via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I am not sure this picture will be small enough for the list. When I
> bought my 35-2, I found a memo from C in the nav  table saying the
> maximum back stay tension is 2050 pounds
>
>
>
> David Kelly
> Baraka C 35-2
> Noroton, CT
>
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Bailey
>
> I have one of those earlier C 35 Mk2 ('74 #255) and have *not* tried to
> attach the bulkheads to the overhead.  She does work in heavy air.  Two
> years ago the original outboard holding tank failed, which I had to remove
> by dismantling the head's bulkheads and cabinetry.  I replaced all screws
> with slightly larger ones since more than 50% were missing or stripped.  I
> put a new holding tank under the v berth and replaced all the screws
> connect the glass to the wood cabinetry in the forward cabin - 75 % were
> missing or backed out.  We are not shy about pushing her hard in the last
> 40 years I have raced her. Last year hit 11.8 kts in a double-hander spin
> run.  She does creak and grown.  The most annoying thing is the head door
> will not stay close and bangs open when we are working her hard.  About ten
> years ago I did an experiment at the dock of running a line from pulpit to
> pulpit (weight and small block at bow for constant tension) and ran the
> backstay up to 3000 psi - the line rose 2" up the mast (original unbending,
> telephone pole mast).  The most tension I will put on backstay when sailing
> in very heavy air is 2200 - 2500 PSI.  Since we still compete in the top
> 10% of PHRF races, I have no intention of changing the original set up.
> Don Kern
> *Fireball*, C Mk2
> Bristol RI
>
>
> On 6/10/2020 12:07 PM, Bailey White via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Has anyone added material to tie the bulkheads to the liners for those
> earlier boats?  I wasn't sure if the liner could take it or if some work
> would need to be done to grind out the liner and fiberglass directly to the
> hull laminate, which would be more involved and error prone.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Rob Ball 
> To: Shawn Wright , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:39:15 +
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"
>
> Earlier C’s had the bulkheads ‘floating’ in the headliner groove, and as
> we got into larger sizes (bigger loads) those tie downs were the solution.
>
> On the C 40, there were a lot of warranty claims for those leaks, and
> eventually it was decided to stiffen up things to prevent this.  The first
> boat was the new C 35 and the bulkheads were ‘tabbed’ to the deck – much
> stiffer . . . . BUT . . . . it meant that the headliner, which is installed
> on the deck when it’s upside down, had to leave space for the tabbing after
> the deck is placed on the hull.  And then those spaces had to be covered up
> with separate pieces to blend with the headliner after the tabbing . . . .
> Much more labor and cost . . .
>
> But – a much stiffer boat – the sailmakers loved the straighter headstay
> . .
>
> Victory by the designer over the accountants . . . .
>
> The downside, other than cost is that when you hit a rock – the damage is
> more extensive, because the boat is now actually more brittle  . . .
>
>
>
> Rob Ball   C 34
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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Maybe a large, better quality jpg can be added to the website info. . .



> On Jun 10, 2020, at 7:38 16PM, david--- via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I am not sure this picture will be small enough for the list. When I bought 
> my 35-2, I found a memo from C in the nav  table saying the maximum back 
> stay tension is 2050 pounds
> 
> 
> 
> David Kelly
> Baraka C 35-2
> Noroton, CT
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Bailey
>> 
>> I have one of those earlier C 35 Mk2 ('74 #255) and have not tried to 
>> attach the bulkheads to the overhead.  She does work in heavy air.  Two 
>> years ago the original outboard holding tank failed, which I had to remove 
>> by dismantling the head's bulkheads and cabinetry.  I replaced all screws 
>> with slightly larger ones since more than 50% were missing or stripped.  I 
>> put a new holding tank under the v berth and replaced all the screws connect 
>> the glass to the wood cabinetry in the forward cabin - 75 % were missing or 
>> backed out.  We are not shy about pushing her hard in the last 40 years I 
>> have raced her. Last year hit 11.8 kts in a double-hander spin run.  She 
>> does creak and grown.  The most annoying thing is the head door will not 
>> stay close and bangs open when we are working her hard.  About ten years ago 
>> I did an experiment at the dock of running a line from pulpit to pulpit 
>> (weight and small block at bow for constant tension) and ran the backstay up 
>> to 3000 psi - the line rose 2" up the mast (original unbending, telephone 
>> pole mast).  The most tension I will put on backstay when sailing in very 
>> heavy air is 2200 - 2500 PSI.  Since we still compete in the top 10% of PHRF 
>> races, I have no intention of changing the original set up.
>> 
>> Don Kern
>> Fireball, C Mk2
>> Bristol RI
>> 
>> On 6/10/2020 12:07 PM, Bailey White via CnC-List wrote:
>>> Has anyone added material to tie the bulkheads to the liners for those 
>>> earlier boats?  I wasn't sure if the liner could take it or if some work 
>>> would need to be done to grind out the liner and fiberglass directly to the 
>>> hull laminate, which would be more involved and error prone.
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Rob Ball mailto:r...@edsonintl.com>>
>>> To: Shawn Wright mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com>>, 
>>> "cnc-list@cnc-list.com " 
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>>> Cc: 
>>> Bcc: 
>>> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:39:15 +
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"
>>> Earlier C’s had the bulkheads ‘floating’ in the headliner groove, and as 
>>> we got into larger sizes (bigger loads) those tie downs were the solution.
>>> 
>>> On the C 40, there were a lot of warranty claims for those leaks, and 
>>> eventually it was decided to stiffen up things to prevent this.  The first 
>>> boat was the new C 35 and the bulkheads were ‘tabbed’ to the deck – much 
>>> stiffer . . . . BUT . . . . it meant that the headliner, which is installed 
>>> on the deck when it’s upside down, had to leave space for the tabbing after 
>>> the deck is placed on the hull.  And then those spaces had to be covered up 
>>> with separate pieces to blend with the headliner after the tabbing . . . . 
>>> Much more labor and cost . . .
>>> 
>>> But – a much stiffer boat – the sailmakers loved the straighter headstay  . 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> Victory by the designer over the accountants . . . .
>>> 
>>> The downside, other than cost is that when you hit a rock – the damage is 
>>> more extensive, because the boat is now actually more brittle  . . .
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Rob Ball   C 34
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

David,
Thanks,
Never saw that piece of insight.  I have no idea how accurate the 47 
year old backstay gage is.  Those are relative settings that feel 
right.  Have not folded the boat in half nor driven the mast thru the 
keel  - yet!


Don Kern
/Fireball,/ C Mk2
Bristol RI


On 6/10/2020 10:38 PM, david--- via CnC-List wrote:
I am not sure this picture will be small enough for the list. When I 
bought my 35-2, I found a memo from C in the nav  table saying the 
maximum back stay tension is 2050 pounds




David Kelly
Baraka C 35-2
Noroton, CT



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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[david--- via CnC-List]

I am not sure this picture will be small enough for the list. When I bought my 
35-2, I found a memo from C in the nav  table saying the maximum back stay 
tension is 2050 pounds



David Kelly
Baraka C 35-2
Noroton, CT

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Bailey
> 
> I have one of those earlier C 35 Mk2 ('74 #255) and have not tried to 
> attach the bulkheads to the overhead.  She does work in heavy air.  Two years 
> ago the original outboard holding tank failed, which I had to remove by 
> dismantling the head's bulkheads and cabinetry.  I replaced all screws with 
> slightly larger ones since more than 50% were missing or stripped.  I put a 
> new holding tank under the v berth and replaced all the screws connect the 
> glass to the wood cabinetry in the forward cabin - 75 % were missing or 
> backed out.  We are not shy about pushing her hard in the last 40 years I 
> have raced her. Last year hit 11.8 kts in a double-hander spin run.  She does 
> creak and grown.  The most annoying thing is the head door will not stay 
> close and bangs open when we are working her hard.  About ten years ago I did 
> an experiment at the dock of running a line from pulpit to pulpit (weight and 
> small block at bow for constant tension) and ran the backstay up to 3000 psi 
> - the line rose 2" up the mast (original unbending, telephone pole mast).  
> The most tension I will put on backstay when sailing in very heavy air is 
> 2200 - 2500 PSI.  Since we still compete in the top 10% of PHRF races, I have 
> no intention of changing the original set up.
> 
> Don Kern
> Fireball, C Mk2
> Bristol RI
> 
> 
> On 6/10/2020 12:07 PM, Bailey White via CnC-List wrote:
>> Has anyone added material to tie the bulkheads to the liners for those 
>> earlier boats?  I wasn't sure if the liner could take it or if some work 
>> would need to be done to grind out the liner and fiberglass directly to the 
>> hull laminate, which would be more involved and error prone.
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Rob Ball 
>> To: Shawn Wright , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> 
>> Cc: 
>> Bcc: 
>> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:39:15 +
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"
>> Earlier C’s had the bulkheads ‘floating’ in the headliner groove, and as 
>> we got into larger sizes (bigger loads) those tie downs were the solution.
>> 
>> On the C 40, there were a lot of warranty claims for those leaks, and 
>> eventually it was decided to stiffen up things to prevent this.  The first 
>> boat was the new C 35 and the bulkheads were ‘tabbed’ to the deck – much 
>> stiffer . . . . BUT . . . . it meant that the headliner, which is installed 
>> on the deck when it’s upside down, had to leave space for the tabbing after 
>> the deck is placed on the hull.  And then those spaces had to be covered up 
>> with separate pieces to blend with the headliner after the tabbing . . . . 
>> Much more labor and cost . . .
>> 
>> But – a much stiffer boat – the sailmakers loved the straighter headstay  . .
>> 
>> Victory by the designer over the accountants . . . .
>> 
>> The downside, other than cost is that when you hit a rock – the damage is 
>> more extensive, because the boat is now actually more brittle  . . .
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rob Ball   C 34
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List CnC 39 vs 37

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

You can compare these boats' predicted sailing characteristics using the
sailing calculator on the cncphotalbumn site under technical data.  I think
it does a pretty good job for the C boats I know.  Still there is the
appearance factor for some of usthe shear lines of the old 39 are
classic and what I like, the performance and accommodations of the 41
impress me too...now they are both "old" boats"  I like that both of them a
lot but keeping my 35 MKII, Use the software and compare the 35 MKII to
what you got and let's discuss...motion comfort is important for some of us
seniors

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:21 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bill, I noted your story about your crew owning a 37 (not a 37+, or 37R, I
> presume), and not being able to keep up with interest; per Sailboat data,
> the 37 and 39 have almost exactly the same sail area, but the 39 is a much
> heavier boat and is pushing more weight; the conclusion would be that
> except for your sail modifications, the 37 should be faster...; were there
> other variables involved...(crew skills, etc)? Thanks
>
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane
> ,
> Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bill Coleman 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 2:56 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC 39? Comments please
>
> So, when you said a couple weeks ago, you bumped some rocks and were
> selling your Genoa, I am guessing it was a little more serious than you let
> on. And you may have lost your 41.
> Never been on a 41, but by what I see on YW, I would say you may miss the
> extra space.  But on the bright side, you will need a foot and half less
> draft, which might help you. Judging by the keel on the 41, I would say it
> would point better than the 39, with that swept back keel.  But once you
> crack off close hauled, the 39 does sail very well. Mine had a newer high
> aspect rudder, and it was very well balanced. Also sails very well with
> just a 135. I added a foot to the boom, to 14' and a large roach, which
> also made it sail much better - easily worth the 6 seconds PHRF nicked me
> for. Sails very sporty, and turns on a dime.
> A friend of mine bought a C 37 after sailing with me for awhile,  got
> some nice new Hood sails, and we went sparing out in the lake, I would go
> for awhile, and then make a loop around him to let him catch up. I think it
> really irritated him that it wouldn't keep up, but on the bright side, he
> never raced his boat, so I kept him as crew.
> Also, you don't want to hold a chute up much past 20 knots. And like Jack
> says, it is a beautiful looking boat. Not that the 41 is a slouch by any
> means.
>
> Bill Coleman
> Erie PA
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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

My MKII 35 too

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:51 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My 35 MK I has been a bit flexible and creaky for 47 years now, so it
> seems to have worked out. Thanks for that explanation!
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I*
>
> *www.dellabarba.com *
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Re fiddle castings.

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

There was another option at some point.

When "Third Wave" (a 37R I believe) was parted out I bought the fiddles 
from it thinking I might replace the couple of mine that are corroded 
(the one closest to the companionway ladder, for example).


The ones off Third Wave are plastic, with the top section inset from the 
bottom - the bottom makes a curved corner, the top makes a 45 degree angle.


And the shape is a bit different from the aluminum ones on my boat, so 
I've not done anything with them as of yet.


Buying them was amusing, the guy says "I knew there'd be some C guy 
wanting these", I said "yes, but he's cheap, I'll give you $20 for the 
set"...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2020-06-10 9:25 a.m., Rob Ball via CnC-List wrote:


We switched to laminated corners in more recent boats.  I would love 
to do that on my boat, but it looks challenging . . . .


Rob Ball   C 34


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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Bailey

I have one of those earlier C 35 Mk2 ('74 #255) and have _not_ tried 
to attach the bulkheads to the overhead.  She does work in heavy air.  
Two years ago the original outboard holding tank failed, which I had to 
remove by dismantling the head's bulkheads and cabinetry.  I replaced 
all screws with slightly larger ones since more than 50% were missing or 
stripped.  I put a new holding tank under the v berth and replaced all 
the screws connect the glass to the wood cabinetry in the forward cabin 
- 75 % were missing or backed out.  We are not shy about pushing her 
hard in the last 40 years I have raced her. Last year hit 11.8 kts in a 
double-hander spin run.  She does creak and grown.  The most annoying 
thing is the head door will not stay close and bangs open when we are 
working her hard.  About ten years ago I did an experiment at the dock 
of running a line from pulpit to pulpit (weight and small block at bow 
for constant tension) and ran the backstay up to 3000 psi - the line 
rose 2" up the mast (original unbending, telephone pole mast).  The most 
tension I will put on backstay when sailing in very heavy air is 2200 - 
2500 PSI.  Since we still compete in the top 10% of PHRF races, I have 
no intention of changing the original set up.


Don Kern
/Fireball/, C Mk2
Bristol RI


On 6/10/2020 12:07 PM, Bailey White via CnC-List wrote:
Has anyone added material to tie the bulkheads to the liners for those 
earlier boats?  I wasn't sure if the liner could take it or if some 
work would need to be done to grind out the liner and fiberglass 
directly to the hull laminate, which would be more involved and error 
prone.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Rob Ball mailto:r...@edsonintl.com>>
To: Shawn Wright >, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
" >

Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:39:15 +
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

Earlier C’s had the bulkheads ‘floating’ in the headliner groove, 
and as we got into larger sizes (bigger loads) those tie downs were 
the solution.


On the C 40, there were a lot of warranty claims for those leaks, 
and eventually it was decided to stiffen up things to prevent this.  
The first boat was the new C 35 and the bulkheads were ‘tabbed’ to 
the deck – much stiffer . . . . BUT . . . . it meant that the 
headliner, which is installed on the deck when it’s upside down, had 
to leave space for the tabbing after the deck is placed on the hull.  
And then those spaces had to be covered up with separate pieces to 
blend with the headliner after the tabbing . . . . Much more labor and 
cost . . .


But – a much stiffer boat – the sailmakers loved the straighter 
headstay  . .


Victory by the designer over the accountants . . . .

The downside, other than cost is that when you hit a rock – the damage 
is more extensive, because the boat is now actually more brittle  . . .


Rob Ball   C 34


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Stus-List Brendon Dobroth?

[Steve Martin via CnC-List]

I'm looking for contact info for Brendon Dobroth, I believe he did the design 
for the keel on my C 44 and I'm looking for the drawings. Any help would be 
appreciated!ThanksSteve

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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

One strange looking keel...

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rHnWif-WO_I/WpMjx2P9d-I/AAABsVM/j0JahatW9CgQfrQN7O-a7GTWgDUx_fgDgCEwYBhgL/s1600/Wave%2BTrain%2B-My%2BShadow%2B%2B3.jpg


Ken H.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 16:59, Rob Ball via CnC-List 
wrote:

> But it had a Super Duper Brit Chance keel . . . . . . ?
>
>
>
> Rob BallC 34
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Re: Stus-List CnC 39 vs 37

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

It just sails pretty good.  One thing that jumped out at me when I was on his 
37, ( and also the custom 42)  is how much more roomy it was.  You pay a price 
for interior volume. The brochure lists the 39 at around 17,700#, but the 
scales were saying something south of 21,000.  It also has the tall mast option.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Erie, PA

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC 39 vs 37

 

Bill, I noted your story about your crew owning a 37 (not a 37+, or 37R, I 
presume), and not being able to keep up with interest; per Sailboat data, the 
37 and 39 have almost exactly the same sail area, but the 39 is a much heavier 
boat and is pushing more weight; the conclusion would be that except for your 
sail modifications, the 37 should be faster...; were there other variables 
involved...(crew skills, etc)? Thanks

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC 39? Comments please

So, when you said a couple weeks ago, you bumped some rocks and were selling 
your Genoa, I am guessing it was a little more serious than you let on. And you 
may have lost your 41.
Never been on a 41, but by what I see on YW, I would say you may miss the extra 
space.  But on the bright side, you will need a foot and half less draft, which 
might help you. Judging by the keel on the 41, I would say it would point 
better than the 39, with that swept back keel.  But once you crack off close 
hauled, the 39 does sail very well. Mine had a newer high aspect rudder, and it 
was very well balanced. Also sails very well with just a 135. I added a foot to 
the boom, to 14' and a large roach, which also made it sail much better - 
easily worth the 6 seconds PHRF nicked me for. Sails very sporty, and turns on 
a dime. 
A friend of mine bought a C 37 after sailing with me for awhile,  got some 
nice new Hood sails, and we went sparing out in the lake, I would go for 
awhile, and then make a loop around him to let him catch up. I think it really 
irritated him that it wouldn't keep up, but on the bright side, he never raced 
his boat, so I kept him as crew.
Also, you don't want to hold a chute up much past 20 knots. And like Jack says, 
it is a beautiful looking boat. Not that the 41 is a slouch by any means. 

Bill Coleman
Erie PA

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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

But it had a Super Duper Brit Chance keel . . . . . . ?

Rob BallC 34

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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[David Risch via CnC-List]

My brand new to me 1981 40 with tired sails either stayed with or beat Wave 
Train boat for boat (without handicap)  around the cans consistently.  Owner 
was a really good sailor who was not happy with the boat.I was the last 
straw.  He sold it soon thereafter.

Failed experiment…

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

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Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:33 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ken Heaton ; Bailey White ; Rob 
Ball 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

Hi Rob,

I recall C did that at the factory for Watt Webb's 37R "Wave Trane".

There is a drawing for the boat showing the addition of a waterproof crash 
bulkhead forward, all interior bulkheads tabbed to the deck above, an upgraded 
deck and bulkhead construction, and a weird custom Britt Chance aluminum & lead 
keel fitted.

http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html

Easier done to a boat like a 37R with fewer interior liners.

Ken H.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 15:06, Rob Ball via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I sailed on a 40 and we cut the headliner back about 4 inches from the bulkhead 
– and taped the bulkhead to the deck.
Then used wood to fill in the headliner afterwards . . .
Not that hard, but labor intensive  . . . .

Rob Ball   C 34
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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Hi Rob,

I recall C did that at the factory for Watt Webb's 37R "Wave Trane".

There is a drawing for the boat showing the addition of a waterproof crash
bulkhead forward, all interior bulkheads tabbed to the deck above, an
upgraded deck and bulkhead construction, and a weird custom Britt Chance
aluminum & lead keel fitted.

http://c-c-37-40.blogspot.com/p/boat-design-c-37r-designer-robert-ball.html

Easier done to a boat like a 37R with fewer interior liners.

Ken H.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 15:06, Rob Ball via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I sailed on a 40 and we cut the headliner back about 4 inches from the
> bulkhead – and taped the bulkhead to the deck.
>
> Then used wood to fill in the headliner afterwards . . .
>
> Not that hard, but labor intensive  . . . .
>
>
>
> Rob Ball   C 34
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Re: Stus-List CnC 39 vs 37

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Bill, I noted your story about your crew owning a 37 (not a 37+, or 37R, I 
presume), and not being able to keep up with interest; per Sailboat data, the 
37 and 39 have almost exactly the same sail area, but the 39 is a much heavier 
boat and is pushing more weight; the conclusion would be that except for your 
sail modifications, the 37 should be faster...; were there other variables 
involved...(crew skills, etc)? Thanks
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Wed, Jun 10, 2020 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC 39? Comments please

So, when you said a couple weeks ago, you bumped some rocks and were selling 
your Genoa, I am guessing it was a little more serious than you let on. And you 
may have lost your 41.
Never been on a 41, but by what I see on YW, I would say you may miss the extra 
space.  But on the bright side, you will need a foot and half less draft, which 
might help you. Judging by the keel on the 41, I would say it would point 
better than the 39, with that swept back keel.  But once you crack off close 
hauled, the 39 does sail very well. Mine had a newer high aspect rudder, and it 
was very well balanced. Also sails very well with just a 135. I added a foot to 
the boom, to 14' and a large roach, which also made it sail much better - 
easily worth the 6 seconds PHRF nicked me for. Sails very sporty, and turns on 
a dime. 
A friend of mine bought a C 37 after sailing with me for awhile,  got some 
nice new Hood sails, and we went sparing out in the lake, I would go for 
awhile, and then make a loop around him to let him catch up. I think it really 
irritated him that it wouldn't keep up, but on the bright side, he never raced 
his boat, so I kept him as crew.
Also, you don't want to hold a chute up much past 20 knots. And like Jack says, 
it is a beautiful looking boat. Not that the 41 is a slouch by any means. 

Bill Coleman
Erie PA

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Re: Stus-List CnC 39? Comments please

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

So, when you said a couple weeks ago, you bumped some rocks and were selling 
your Genoa, I am guessing it was a little more serious than you let on. And you 
may have lost your 41.
Never been on a 41, but by what I see on YW, I would say you may miss the extra 
space.  But on the bright side, you will need a foot and half less draft, which 
might help you. Judging by the keel on the 41, I would say it would point 
better than the 39, with that swept back keel.  But once you crack off close 
hauled, the 39 does sail very well. Mine had a newer high aspect rudder, and it 
was very well balanced. Also sails very well with just a 135. I added a foot to 
the boom, to 14' and a large roach, which also made it sail much better - 
easily worth the 6 seconds PHRF nicked me for. Sails very sporty, and turns on 
a dime. 
A friend of mine bought a C 37 after sailing with me for awhile,  got some 
nice new Hood sails, and we went sparing out in the lake, I would go for 
awhile, and then make a loop around him to let him catch up. I think it really 
irritated him that it wouldn't keep up, but on the bright side, he never raced 
his boat, so I kept him as crew.
Also, you don't want to hold a chute up much past 20 knots. And like Jack says, 
it is a beautiful looking boat. Not that the 41 is a slouch by any means. 

Bill Coleman
Erie PA


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Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 6:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Will Gerstmyer
Subject: Stus-List CnC 39? Comments please

Had a ‘86 41 and am looking at a ‘74 39. Does anyone have comments on the 
differences/advantages? Thanks, Will

Will Gerstmyer 
978-609-1331
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Re: Stus-List CnC 39? Comments please

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

I believe you may be right.

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 11:35 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC 39? Comments please

 

Ummm . . .  I don’t mean to ruffle any feathers Matt, but my recollection is 
that I was usually ahead of you . . . .

Well, OK, unless it was a long spinnaker run.  You are more fearless. 

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 8:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: wolf...@erie.net  
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC 39? Comments please

 

My 42 Custom is rated 81, and Bill would hang in there boat for boat (often 
with only two or three people on board).

 

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Cc: Jack Fitzgerald mailto:j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List CnC 39? Comments please

 

According to Robert Perry, the C 39 is the prettiest fiberglass sail boat 
built. I have owned my 1974 39TM since 1976 and really have no complaints. Sure 
there are issues with the fact that boat is getting old but I have maintained & 
updated her to the point that she is actually a better boat now than when she 
was new. She still wins races when we sail her correctly in spite is have a 
local PHRF rating of 102. She likes a breeze and is a very good sea boat, she 
can be a little wet going to weather in a chop but not much differn t than any 
other boat that I have sail on over the past 44+ years.

 

Bill Coleman on this list should be able to comment on the C 39 as well.

 

Good luck

 

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald 

HONEY - US12788 

Savannah, GA USA

 

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On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:44 AM Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List 
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Had a ‘86 41 and am looking at a ‘74 39. Does anyone have comments on the 
differences/advantages? Thanks, Will

Will Gerstmyer 
978-609-1331
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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

I sailed on a 40 and we cut the headliner back about 4 inches from the bulkhead 
– and taped the bulkhead to the deck.
Then used wood to fill in the headliner afterwards . . .
Not that hard, but labor intensive  . . . .

Rob Ball   C 34
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Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Josh I took a picture of the carb.   Thats my cell below.  I can send it to you 
to discuss however, I think I know where it is.   FYI. Carb cleaned, fuel lines 
tank pickup all replaced.

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:53 AM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

Year and serial number would probably help.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 11:45 David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks Josh

Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle.   I can get serial number if you need more info…

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:36 AM
To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

David,

There has to be an orifice (jet) or screw.  Are you sure a screw isn't hidden 
under a plastic cowl?

Get me an exact make and model so I can do some research.

Josh



On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 08:08 David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Josh and Chuck,

Mixture is new with AV gas so no issues there.   Only one adjustment screw on 
carb.  Seems to only affect low throttle.  As said all good in neutral and good 
up until ¾ throttle in gear.  Chuck mentioned if spark plug grey and chalky, 
which it is, it is running lean at top end.   How does one adjust top end 
without adjustment screw.

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:17 AM
To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

Follow my carb tuning video.  Post back with questions.

https://youtu.be/caIdvC8WGDg

Sounds like the idle/throttle screw (T) is keeping the butterfly open too far 
with no throttle applied.  It just so happens that in gear there is enough load 
to slow 'er down.  At full throttle is sounds like probably too much fuel (H).  
I think that if it was too little it would die.  Since both of these "symptoms 
could be a result of too much low throttle fuel (L) you should probably start 
by dialing it back a bit and see how thing go.  By doing this you will lower 
the fuel at idle AND lower the fuel a full throttle.  If you're lucky and my 
diagnosis is correct then you'll kill too birds with one stone.

My advice is based on having 3 adjustment screws H (high throttle), L (low 
throttle), T (min throttle).  If you're missing any one of these then it has a 
jet which serves in its place.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 09:29 David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
So instead of giving it away I rebuilt the carb and half dozen other fixes this 
winter.
Runs and idles great, but at full throttle she bogs down continues to run, but 
sounds rougher.When out gear it goes right to full throttle.
Perhaps overpropped?
Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.

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Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

A partially blocked main jet could cause carb to run lean on the top end.   
Mixture and idle screws don’t adjust anything above the midrange of the power 
band.  A fine wire can be used to clear any debris that could block fuel flow 
through the jet.  Also check the float level.  If the float is set too low it 
could be starving for fuel at higher rpms with full throttle.  
Chuck



> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:45 AM, David Risch via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Josh
>  
> Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle.   I can get serial number if you need more info…
>  
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:36 AM
> To: C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle
>  
> David,
>  
> There has to be an orifice (jet) or screw.  Are you sure a screw isn't hidden 
> under a plastic cowl?
>  
> Get me an exact make and model so I can do some research.
>  
> Josh 
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 08:08 David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> Josh and Chuck,
>  
> Mixture is new with AV gas so no issues there.   Only one adjustment screw on 
> carb.  Seems to only affect low throttle.  As said all good in neutral and 
> good up until ¾ throttle in gear.  Chuck mentioned if spark plug grey and 
> chalky, which it is, it is running lean at top end.   How does one adjust top 
> end without adjustment screw.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650
>  
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:17 AM
> To: C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle
>  
> Follow my carb tuning video.  Post back with questions.
>  
> https://youtu.be/caIdvC8WGDg
>  
> Sounds like the idle/throttle screw (T) is keeping the butterfly open too far 
> with no throttle applied.  It just so happens that in gear there is enough 
> load to slow 'er down.  At full throttle is sounds like probably too much 
> fuel (H).  I think that if it was too little it would die.  Since both of 
> these "symptoms could be a result of too much low throttle fuel (L) you 
> should probably start by dialing it back a bit and see how thing go.  By 
> doing this you will lower the fuel at idle AND lower the fuel a full 
> throttle.  If you're lucky and my diagnosis is correct then you'll kill too 
> birds with one stone.
>  
> My advice is based on having 3 adjustment screws H (high throttle), L (low 
> throttle), T (min throttle).  If you're missing any one of these then it has 
> a jet which serves in its place.  
>  
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>  
> 
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 09:29 David Risch via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> So instead of giving it away I rebuilt the carb and half dozen other fixes 
> this winter.
> 
> Runs and idles great, but at full throttle she bogs down continues to run, 
> but sounds rougher.When out gear it goes right to full throttle. 
> 
> Perhaps overpropped?
> 
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>  
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Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I keep a jug of it for my lawnmower. It is amazing how trouble free it is 
without car gas in it. On the other side of the equation I know someone who 
decided to use car gas in a seaplane and sure enough it came home one day at 
the end of a towline. Ethanol defeats the water separators airplanes have – and 
boats too for that matter ☹


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



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Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 11:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

I use it for the no ethanol component.  Hate ethanol…

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

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Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
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Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

Avgas is in 100 octane LL?
That will eventually lead foul the spark plug, so you’ll need to check it every 
so often. On the plus side it doesn’t have stink perfume added to it, so if you 
spill it on yourself you won’t stink all day.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com
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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Bailey White via CnC-List]

Has anyone added material to tie the bulkheads to the liners for those
earlier boats?  I wasn't sure if the liner could take it or if some work
would need to be done to grind out the liner and fiberglass directly to the
hull laminate, which would be more involved and error prone.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rob Ball 
To: Shawn Wright , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:39:15 +
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

Earlier C’s had the bulkheads ‘floating’ in the headliner groove, and as
we got into larger sizes (bigger loads) those tie downs were the solution.

On the C 40, there were a lot of warranty claims for those leaks, and
eventually it was decided to stiffen up things to prevent this.  The first
boat was the new C 35 and the bulkheads were ‘tabbed’ to the deck – much
stiffer . . . . BUT . . . . it meant that the headliner, which is installed
on the deck when it’s upside down, had to leave space for the tabbing after
the deck is placed on the hull.  And then those spaces had to be covered up
with separate pieces to blend with the headliner after the tabbing . . . .
Much more labor and cost . . .

But – a much stiffer boat – the sailmakers loved the straighter headstay  .
.

Victory by the designer over the accountants . . . .

The downside, other than cost is that when you hit a rock – the damage is
more extensive, because the boat is now actually more brittle  . . .



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Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Year and serial number would probably help.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 11:45 David Risch via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thanks Josh
>
>
>
> Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle.   I can get serial number if you need more info…
>
>
>
> *David F. Risch*
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* C List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle
>
>
>
> David,
>
>
>
> There has to be an orifice (jet) or screw.  Are you sure a screw isn't
> hidden under a plastic cowl?
>
>
>
> Get me an exact make and model so I can do some research.
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 08:08 David Risch via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Josh and Chuck,
>
>
>
> Mixture is new with AV gas so no issues there.   Only one adjustment screw
> on carb.  Seems to only affect low throttle.  As said all good in neutral
> and good up until ¾ throttle in gear.  Chuck mentioned if spark plug grey
> and chalky, which it is, it is running lean at top end.   How does one
> adjust top end without adjustment screw.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> *David F. Risch*
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:17 AM
> *To:* C List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle
>
>
>
> Follow my carb tuning video.  Post back with questions.
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/caIdvC8WGDg
>
>
>
> Sounds like the idle/throttle screw (T) is keeping the butterfly open too
> far with no throttle applied.  It just so happens that in gear there is
> enough load to slow 'er down.  At full throttle is sounds like probably too
> much fuel (H).  I think that if it was too little it would die.  Since both
> of these "symptoms could be a result of too much low throttle fuel (L) you
> should probably start by dialing it back a bit and see how thing go.  By
> doing this you will lower the fuel at idle AND lower the fuel a full
> throttle.  If you're lucky and my diagnosis is correct then you'll kill too
> birds with one stone.
>
>
>
> My advice is based on having 3 adjustment screws H (high throttle), L (low
> throttle), T (min throttle).  If you're missing any one of these then it
> has a jet which serves in its place.
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 09:29 David Risch via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> So instead of giving it away I rebuilt the carb and half dozen other fixes
> this winter.
>
> Runs and idles great, but at full throttle she bogs down continues to run,
> but sounds rougher.When out gear it goes right to full throttle.
>
> Perhaps overpropped?
>
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Thanks Josh

Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle.   I can get serial number if you need more info…

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:36 AM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

David,

There has to be an orifice (jet) or screw.  Are you sure a screw isn't hidden 
under a plastic cowl?

Get me an exact make and model so I can do some research.

Josh



On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 08:08 David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Josh and Chuck,

Mixture is new with AV gas so no issues there.   Only one adjustment screw on 
carb.  Seems to only affect low throttle.  As said all good in neutral and good 
up until ¾ throttle in gear.  Chuck mentioned if spark plug grey and chalky, 
which it is, it is running lean at top end.   How does one adjust top end 
without adjustment screw.

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:17 AM
To: C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

Follow my carb tuning video.  Post back with questions.

https://youtu.be/caIdvC8WGDg

Sounds like the idle/throttle screw (T) is keeping the butterfly open too far 
with no throttle applied.  It just so happens that in gear there is enough load 
to slow 'er down.  At full throttle is sounds like probably too much fuel (H).  
I think that if it was too little it would die.  Since both of these "symptoms 
could be a result of too much low throttle fuel (L) you should probably start 
by dialing it back a bit and see how thing go.  By doing this you will lower 
the fuel at idle AND lower the fuel a full throttle.  If you're lucky and my 
diagnosis is correct then you'll kill too birds with one stone.

My advice is based on having 3 adjustment screws H (high throttle), L (low 
throttle), T (min throttle).  If you're missing any one of these then it has a 
jet which serves in its place.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 09:29 David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
So instead of giving it away I rebuilt the carb and half dozen other fixes this 
winter.
Runs and idles great, but at full throttle she bogs down continues to run, but 
sounds rougher.When out gear it goes right to full throttle.
Perhaps overpropped?
Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.

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Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I use it for the no ethanol component.  Hate ethanol…

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

Avgas is in 100 octane LL?
That will eventually lead foul the spark plug, so you’ll need to check it every 
so often. On the plus side it doesn’t have stink perfume added to it, so if you 
spill it on yourself you won’t stink all day.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Francois 
Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:20 AM
To: David mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com>>
Cc: Francois Rivard 
mailto:jeanfrancoisriv...@gmail.com>>; cnc-list 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

Hi David,

It does sound like it's running lean on the high end.  The solution is likely 
to be related to a fuel flow problem like a clogged carburetor jet or 
obstruction / air leak  / weak point in the fuel delivery system such as a 
clogged filter / fuel pickup / regulator / missing gasket / dried-up diaphragm, 
etc.

A constructed flow problem won't manifest itself on the low end as the engine 
only needs a trickle of fuel to idle correctly, however when you open the 
throttle the trickle has to turn into a stream...

Filters and hoses are easy and cheap / carburetor rebuild kits with diaphragms 
and gaskets cost about 15-20 bucks and take about 30 minutes to install.

Good luck!

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"





Josh and Chuck,

Mixture is new with AV gas so no issues there.   Only one adjustment screw on 
carb.  Seems to only affect low throttle.  As said all good in neutral and good 
up until ? throttle in gear.  Chuck mentioned if spark plug grey and chalky, 
which it is, it is running lean at top end.   How does one adjust top end 
without adjustment screw.

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650
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Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Avgas is in 100 octane LL?
That will eventually lead foul the spark plug, so you’ll need to check it every 
so often. On the plus side it doesn’t have stink perfume added to it, so if you 
spill it on yourself you won’t stink all day.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Francois 
Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:20 AM
To: David 
Cc: Francois Rivard ; cnc-list 

Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

Hi David,

It does sound like it's running lean on the high end.  The solution is likely 
to be related to a fuel flow problem like a clogged carburetor jet or 
obstruction / air leak  / weak point in the fuel delivery system such as a 
clogged filter / fuel pickup / regulator / missing gasket / dried-up diaphragm, 
etc.

A constructed flow problem won't manifest itself on the low end as the engine 
only needs a trickle of fuel to idle correctly, however when you open the 
throttle the trickle has to turn into a stream...

Filters and hoses are easy and cheap / carburetor rebuild kits with diaphragms 
and gaskets cost about 15-20 bucks and take about 30 minutes to install.

Good luck!

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"





Josh and Chuck,

Mixture is new with AV gas so no issues there.   Only one adjustment screw on 
carb.  Seems to only affect low throttle.  As said all good in neutral and good 
up until ? throttle in gear.  Chuck mentioned if spark plug grey and chalky, 
which it is, it is running lean at top end.   How does one adjust top end 
without adjustment screw.

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650
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Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

David,

There has to be an orifice (jet) or screw.  Are you sure a screw isn't
hidden under a plastic cowl?

Get me an exact make and model so I can do some research.

Josh



On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 08:08 David Risch via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Josh and Chuck,
>
>
>
> Mixture is new with AV gas so no issues there.   Only one adjustment screw
> on carb.  Seems to only affect low throttle.  As said all good in neutral
> and good up until ¾ throttle in gear.  Chuck mentioned if spark plug grey
> and chalky, which it is, it is running lean at top end.   How does one
> adjust top end without adjustment screw.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> *David F. Risch*
>
> *(401) 419-4650*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:17 AM
> *To:* C List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle
>
>
>
> Follow my carb tuning video.  Post back with questions.
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/caIdvC8WGDg
>
>
>
> Sounds like the idle/throttle screw (T) is keeping the butterfly open too
> far with no throttle applied.  It just so happens that in gear there is
> enough load to slow 'er down.  At full throttle is sounds like probably too
> much fuel (H).  I think that if it was too little it would die.  Since both
> of these "symptoms could be a result of too much low throttle fuel (L) you
> should probably start by dialing it back a bit and see how thing go.  By
> doing this you will lower the fuel at idle AND lower the fuel a full
> throttle.  If you're lucky and my diagnosis is correct then you'll kill too
> birds with one stone.
>
>
>
> My advice is based on having 3 adjustment screws H (high throttle), L (low
> throttle), T (min throttle).  If you're missing any one of these then it
> has a jet which serves in its place.
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 09:29 David Risch via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> So instead of giving it away I rebuilt the carb and half dozen other fixes
> this winter.
>
> Runs and idles great, but at full throttle she bogs down continues to run,
> but sounds rougher.When out gear it goes right to full throttle.
>
> Perhaps overpropped?
>
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>
>
>
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Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi David,

It does sound like it's running lean on the high end.  The solution is
likely to be related to a fuel flow problem like a clogged carburetor jet
or obstruction / air leak  / weak point in the fuel delivery system such as
a clogged filter / fuel pickup / regulator / missing gasket / dried-up
diaphragm, etc.

A constructed flow problem won't manifest itself on the low end as the
engine only needs a trickle of fuel to idle correctly, however when you
open the throttle the trickle has to turn into a stream...

Filters and hoses are easy and cheap / carburetor rebuild kits with
diaphragms and gaskets cost about 15-20 bucks and take about 30 minutes to
install.

Good luck!

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"





Josh and Chuck,

Mixture is new with AV gas so no issues there.   Only one adjustment screw
on carb.  Seems to only affect low throttle.  As said all good in neutral
and good up until ? throttle in gear.  Chuck mentioned if spark plug grey
and chalky, which it is, it is running lean at top end.   How does one
adjust top end without adjustment screw.

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650
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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My 35 MK I has been a bit flexible and creaky for 47 years now, so it seems to 
have worked out. Thanks for that explanation!


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com


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Re: Stus-List Rob Ball comment on 41 "robustness"

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

Earlier C’s had the bulkheads ‘floating’ in the headliner groove, and as we 
got into larger sizes (bigger loads) those tie downs were the solution.
On the C 40, there were a lot of warranty claims for those leaks, and 
eventually it was decided to stiffen up things to prevent this.  The first boat 
was the new C 35 and the bulkheads were ‘tabbed’ to the deck – much stiffer . 
. . . BUT . . . . it meant that the headliner, which is installed on the deck 
when it’s upside down, had to leave space for the tabbing after the deck is 
placed on the hull.  And then those spaces had to be covered up with separate 
pieces to blend with the headliner after the tabbing . . . . Much more labor 
and cost . . .
But – a much stiffer boat – the sailmakers loved the straighter headstay  . .
Victory by the designer over the accountants . . . .
The downside, other than cost is that when you hit a rock – the damage is more 
extensive, because the boat is now actually more brittle  . . .

Rob Ball   C 34

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Re: Stus-List Re fiddle castings.

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

We switched to laminated corners in more recent boats.  I would love to do that 
on my boat, but it looks challenging . . . .

Rob Ball   C 34
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Re: Stus-List Re fiddle castings.

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Chuck,

No need for pics for me.  My 35-1 doesn't have those corner fittings.  I
was just curious about alternative fixes.
  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:58 AM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> My Landfall 35 has the same corner fixture at the Nav Station but made
> from wood (teak or mahogany I believe).  Rob Ball was on our boat last week
> and made mention of the piece.  Our boat was built in Rhode Island when
> Barry Carroll was running the operation down there, but I doubt that there
> would be drawings available for the joinery.
>
> I can take a photo next time I’m out on the boat.
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 35 LF
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Josh and Chuck,

Mixture is new with AV gas so no issues there.   Only one adjustment screw on 
carb.  Seems to only affect low throttle.  As said all good in neutral and good 
up until ¾ throttle in gear.  Chuck mentioned if spark plug grey and chalky, 
which it is, it is running lean at top end.   How does one adjust top end 
without adjustment screw.

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:17 AM
To: C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Yamaha 4hp 2 cycle

Follow my carb tuning video.  Post back with questions.

https://youtu.be/caIdvC8WGDg

Sounds like the idle/throttle screw (T) is keeping the butterfly open too far 
with no throttle applied.  It just so happens that in gear there is enough load 
to slow 'er down.  At full throttle is sounds like probably too much fuel (H).  
I think that if it was too little it would die.  Since both of these "symptoms 
could be a result of too much low throttle fuel (L) you should probably start 
by dialing it back a bit and see how thing go.  By doing this you will lower 
the fuel at idle AND lower the fuel a full throttle.  If you're lucky and my 
diagnosis is correct then you'll kill too birds with one stone.

My advice is based on having 3 adjustment screws H (high throttle), L (low 
throttle), T (min throttle).  If you're missing any one of these then it has a 
jet which serves in its place.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 09:29 David Risch via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
So instead of giving it away I rebuilt the carb and half dozen other fixes this 
winter.
Runs and idles great, but at full throttle she bogs down continues to run, but 
sounds rougher.When out gear it goes right to full throttle.
Perhaps overpropped?
Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.

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Re: Stus-List Re fiddle castings.

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Dennis,

My Landfall 35 has the same corner fixture at the Nav Station but made from 
wood (teak or mahogany I believe).  Rob Ball was on our boat last week and made 
mention of the piece.  Our boat was built in Rhode Island when Barry Carroll 
was running the operation down there, but I doubt that there would be drawings 
available for the joinery.

I can take a photo next time I’m out on the boat.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 LF

Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 4:45 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re fiddle castings.

 

Understand the vendor wants to make it right.  But wondering what other 
alternatives would be if castings weren't available or if someone chose not to 
replace them.  Does the radius match commonly available teak outside corner 
fittings, I wonder?  I'm guessing the profile wouldn't match exactly.

 

I think there is a custom teak shop somewhere that could make some to match 
perhaps.

-- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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