Re: Stus-List Redo top deck mk1 30

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Hi mike
I appreciate your input
I’m hiring a professional that I’m going to help to reduce the cost
It not leaking inside
But there 30% humidity Between layers on 80% on the top deck is like that
and also the cockpit is wet
Should I install longer or bigger drain in the cockpit
The history of the boat was well cared when in use but been sitting to long
in the sun
So there lots of cracks
I’ll watch your videos
Or give me a call or text 1 905 818-1336

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:12 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi John
>
>
>
> Am assuming that you are replacing wet or rotten balsa core.  If that is
> the case then please read on.
>
>
>
> Lots of experience on this list how to do this.  You can do the job from
> the top or you can alternatively do this from the bottom.  There are pros
> and cons to each approach.  From the bottom you do not affect the top
> gelcoat and non skid which is a big bonus.  However from the bottom is more
> difficult and requires a bit more precision and experience IMO and usually
> you would need to have a vacuum bagging kit (available from West Marine).
> From the top you have gravity working for you rather than against you, all
> areas are far more accessible and the overall job is simpler.  I have
> always approached from the top.
>
>
>
> From the top you can either remove and reuse the top skin to mostly retain
> your non-skid pattern or you can rebuild the top layer with epoxy or
> polyester (fibreglass) and then paint with a product such as Interdeck or
> Kiwi Grip.  You can also roll on gelcoat to build up a texture if that is
> your preference.  Either from the top, the bottom, paint or gelcoat it will
> look good.
>
>
>
> If you can stick to non-skid areas the job is much easier.  Non-skid vs
> regular gloss gelcoat is like Matt finish vs gloss finish in varnish and
> paint.  Gloss shows off imperfections much more readily than matt.
>
>
>
> I have replaced core material in large sections around chain plates of our
> former Niagara 26 (built the same as C&Cs of your generation and by the
> same person) as well as cockpit floor on that boat and 14 different deck
> and cockpit sections on our former J27 Nut Case.  I have always done from
> the top as I was shown how to do by a boat builder who routinely repaired
> decks on C&C 30s mark 1 for resale as well as C&C 27s and other boats.
>
>
>
> The project has been documented on our web site www.hoytsailing.com  At
> the bottom of the page click on the J27 Nut Case web site link and on that
> page look at projects.
>
>
>
> I hope this helps a bit
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> www.hoytsailing.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Delamirande via CnC-List
> *Sent:* August 11, 2020 8:52 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Delamirande 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Redo top deck mk1 30
>
>
>
> Good afternoon sailors
>
> It seems I’m not going sailing this year
>
> Anyone in my area I can jump aboard
>
> To keep the love of sailing
>
>
>
> Here my  question
>
> After ripping the bad Fiberglass and redoing back to where it at
>
> Is better to paint the boat or finish with gelcoat
>
> Anyone has done that in the past?
>
> Any pro and cons
>
> Is there one that last more the other?
>
> Also in the cockpit instead of two little drain
>
> Is it better to put a bigger or longer drain at the door?
>
> Has cnc made better drain in younger models
>
> ?
>
> Joël
>
> Whistler 2 mk1 30 1973
>
> --
>
> Joel Delamirande
>
> *www.jdroofing.ca *
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Rob...so the rod in front of the 40s mast replaces those straps then.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?


Nope, the halyards are run to blocks on the ring around the base of the mast, 
then to the winches (originally) on the dorade boxes. And the 30-1 has the 
tangs.

Gary 30-1 #593



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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?



Hi Glen



I believe on C&C 30-1 the halyards are run at the mast not at the cockpit in 
factory configuration.  Therefore no pulling upward on deck by halyard 
tensioning at mast collar



Just my guess for whatever that is worth



Mike Hoyt





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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?



I don’t have any hangers on my C&C 35 Mk I.  Is there a reason why?  Thanks in 
advance.



Glen Eddie

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Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 My 30-1 is a '73 with lower numbers than Gary's and the halyards run from a 
turning block in the mast directly to the winches.
I have no tangs in the mast, nor do I have any holes where they might have been 
attached. I don't believe my boat came with the tangs originally for this 
reason.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
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Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Nope, the halyards are run to blocks on the ring around the base of the mast, 
then to the winches (originally) on the dorade boxes. And the 30-1 has the 
tangs.

Gary 30-1 #593

 

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To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

 

Hi Glen

 

I believe on C&C 30-1 the halyards are run at the mast not at the cockpit in 
factory configuration.  Therefore no pulling upward on deck by halyard 
tensioning at mast collar

 

Just my guess for whatever that is worth

 

Mike Hoyt

 

 

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Cc: Glen Eddie mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

 

I don’t have any hangers on my C&C 35 Mk I.  Is there a reason why?  Thanks in 
advance.  

 



Glen Eddie


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Re: Stus-List Redo top deck mk1 30

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Thanks, I'll check them out.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 10:19 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
wrote:

> Joe,
> Sorry to hear you can't launch your boat.  I won't try to answer the C&C
> 30 specific questions.
>
> What's the status of your Rudder?  Engine?
>
> Gelcoat is really polyester resin based, and paint is considered a better
> protective cover for epoxy repairs.
>
> Wet Decks:
> There are several DIY articles on cncphotoalbum.com on redoing decks.
> The pictures show a lot.
> There are books also, like Don Casey or Niger Calder but YouTube is a
> great resource if you learn how to search it.  I'm still learning and the
> search program seems to also get better at the same time.  Anyway, suggest
> you go to YouTube and search for "replace sailboat wet core" or Sailboat
> replace balsa core"
>
> I'll try and assemble my photos into something I can send you privately.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On 08/11/2020 7:51 PM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> Good afternoon sailors
> It seems I’m not going sailing this year
> Anyone in my area I can jump aboard
> To keep the love of sailing
>
> Here my  question
> After ripping the bad Fiberglass and redoing back to where it at
> Is better to paint the boat or finish with gelcoat
> Anyone has done that in the past?
> Any pro and cons
> Is there one that last more the other?
> Also in the cockpit instead of two little drain
> Is it better to put a bigger or longer drain at the door?
> Has cnc made better drain in younger models
> ?
> Joël
> Whistler 2 mk1 30 1973
> --
> Joel Delamirande
> *www.jdroofing.ca *
>
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Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Dean:

We have had extensive discussions on this list about the Boat US 
(GEICO) policy that contains a provision greatly reducing the value of things 
like masts on older boats.  Steer clear of such policies for a 1980 boat.  
Because of this, I ended going with Travelers, which was helpful and responsive.

Matt
1976 C&C 42 Custom 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dean McNeill via 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dean McNeill 
Subject: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

I‘m in process of purchasing a 1980 C&C 34 but I’m being held up by insurance 
provider. 

My broker (specializing in marine insurance) has sent the clean survey and all 
details to the insurance provider. Was supposed to be 2 days for approval… it’s 
now stretching into 4 days and we can’t get a response from provider. I can’t 
do a deal unless I know I can get vessel insured. Any insurers/brokers that you 
think are great and responsive so I can get this deal done?

A little leery of trying the online quote-and-go options but maybe I should? 
Any good redo’s?

I’m in Halifax, Nova Scotia if that matters.

Dean


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Stus-List Insurance provider

[Adam via CnC-List]

DeanI am in Pictou.  My previous insurer didn't want to renew because of the age of the boat.   My agent found another insurer pretty quick.   Try AA Munro out if Antigonish. I deal with Kim.  I should mention though  that one of the perils not covered was damage caused by nuclear waste or weapons.   I was ok with that risk.I don't have her contact details as we are currently sailing back from the Bras D'Or lakes after a 2 week cruise.Adam HaydenC&C 36 State of BlissPictou NS___

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Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

That is a common name in the area.  There are a lot of people of German descent 
in the area I believe

Mike

-Original Message-
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Sent: August 12, 2020 11:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

Her last name is "Whynot"?  Really?

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CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 9:16 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

Dean

Try MCTI in Bridgewater.  They have several alternative marine providers.  I 
use Intact thru MCTI for the past few seasons and they were EXTREMELY SLOW in 
sending out renewals and other documents.  I think this is a Covid thing.  I 
have been working with April Whynot at MCTI

Hope this helps

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dean McNeill via 
CnC-List
Sent: August 11, 2020 9:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dean McNeill 
Subject: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

I‘m in process of purchasing a 1980 C&C 34 but I’m being held up by insurance 
provider. 

My broker (specializing in marine insurance) has sent the clean survey and all 
details to the insurance provider. Was supposed to be 2 days for approval… it’s 
now stretching into 4 days and we can’t get a response from provider. I can’t 
do a deal unless I know I can get vessel insured. Any insurers/brokers that you 
think are great and responsive so I can get this deal done?

A little leery of trying the online quote-and-go options but maybe I should? 
Any good redo’s?

I’m in Halifax, Nova Scotia if that matters.

Dean
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Stus-List Fwd: Re: 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast 
fitting?
Date:   Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:13:03 -0400
From:   Donald Kern 
To: Glen Eddie via CnC-List 



Glen
I believe the MK1 and the Mk2 were set up the same.  Check the mast, 
inside the cabin, for a thru hole about 6 to 8 inches below the cabin 
top.  That is where the the tangs bolted to the mast. You also should 
see a detente topside in the mast collar on either side of the mast, 
which is where the tangs held the deck down.  If you have these 
indications someone removed he tangs and thru bolts.

Don Kern
Fireball  C&C35 Mk2
Bristol RI


On 8/12/2020 8:49 AM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List wrote:


I don’t have any hangers on my C&C 35 Mk I.  Is there a reason why?  
Thanks in advance.


*Glen Eddie***

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Fax:  1-888-812-2557

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Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Her last name is "Whynot"?  Really?

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From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 9:16 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

Dean

Try MCTI in Bridgewater.  They have several alternative marine providers.  I 
use Intact thru MCTI for the past few seasons and they were EXTREMELY SLOW in 
sending out renewals and other documents.  I think this is a Covid thing.  I 
have been working with April Whynot at MCTI

Hope this helps

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dean McNeill via 
CnC-List
Sent: August 11, 2020 9:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dean McNeill 
Subject: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

I‘m in process of purchasing a 1980 C&C 34 but I’m being held up by insurance 
provider. 

My broker (specializing in marine insurance) has sent the clean survey and all 
details to the insurance provider. Was supposed to be 2 days for approval… it’s 
now stretching into 4 days and we can’t get a response from provider. I can’t 
do a deal unless I know I can get vessel insured. Any insurers/brokers that you 
think are great and responsive so I can get this deal done?

A little leery of trying the online quote-and-go options but maybe I should? 
Any good redo’s?

I’m in Halifax, Nova Scotia if that matters.

Dean
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Re: Stus-List Redo top deck mk1 30

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Joe,
Sorry to hear you can't launch your boat.  I won't try to answer the C&C 30 
specific questions.

What's the status of your Rudder?  Engine?  

Gelcoat is really polyester resin based, and paint is considered a better 
protective cover for epoxy repairs.  

Wet Decks:  
There are several DIY articles on cncphotoalbum.com on redoing decks.  The 
pictures show a lot.
There are books also, like Don Casey or Niger Calder but YouTube is a great 
resource if you learn how to search it.  I'm still learning and the search 
program seems to also get better at the same time.  Anyway, suggest you go to 
YouTube and search for "replace sailboat wet core" or Sailboat replace balsa 
core"  

I'll try and assemble my photos into something I can send you privately.

Chuck




> On 08/11/2020 7:51 PM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good afternoon sailors
> It seems I’m not going sailing this year
> Anyone in my area I can jump aboard 
> To keep the love of sailing 
> 
> Here my  question 
> After ripping the bad Fiberglass and redoing back to where it at
> Is better to paint the boat or finish with gelcoat 
> Anyone has done that in the past?
> Any pro and cons
> Is there one that last more the other?
> Also in the cockpit instead of two little drain
> Is it better to put a bigger or longer drain at the door?
> Has cnc made better drain in younger models 
> ?
> Joël 
> Whistler 2 mk1 30 1973
> --
> Joel Delamirandehttp://www.jdroofing.ca
> 
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Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[Rob Ball via CnC-List]

Bill has it right . . . . . The shrouds and mast compression are the worry . . .
On serious race boats (without a bulkhead at the mast) we had a vertical rod 
beside the mast and even a diagonal strut from the mast step to the shrouds to 
counteract the load.
I can’t remember the original 35 in this regard, but we didn’t have big 
hydraulic backstays back then either . . . . . so I worry about the 35  . . . .
On the other hand, it has survived this long  . . . . so . . . . .
After the new 35 (Mk III) we tabbed the bulkheads to the deck – which does the 
job, but before that boat production, the deck just floated above the bulkheads 
 . . . .
Rob Ball
C&C 34
Escapade



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Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I think some are missing the point that Rob made the other day, the halyards 
pulling on the deck are secondary to the Oil-canning effect of the shrouds 
pulling the sides of the boat inward, forcing the deck up at the mast.

That is the primary purpose of those hangers. I removed them on my 39 because 
they were a little annoying, and replaced them with a rod and turnbuckle right 
through the front of the mast collar and tapped into the keel bolt directly 
below.

I had seen this in later model boats, and it can just be left in place when the 
mast is removed.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA, Entrada

 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 9:23 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

 

Hi Glen

 

I believe on C&C 30-1 the halyards are run at the mast not at the cockpit in 
factory configuration.  Therefore no pulling upward on deck by halyard 
tensioning at mast collar

 

Just my guess for whatever that is worth

 

Mike Hoyt

 

 

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Sent: August 12, 2020 9:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Glen Eddie 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

 

I don’t have any hangers on my C&C 35 Mk I.  Is there a reason why?  Thanks in 
advance.  

 



Glen Eddie


Tel:  416-777-5357


Fax:  1-888-812-2557


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Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Glen

I believe on C&C 30-1 the halyards are run at the mast not at the cockpit in 
factory configuration.  Therefore no pulling upward on deck by halyard 
tensioning at mast collar

Just my guess for whatever that is worth

Mike Hoyt


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Cc: Glen Eddie mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

I don’t have any hangers on my C&C 35 Mk I.  Is there a reason why?  Thanks in 
advance.

Glen Eddie

Tel:  416-777-5357

Fax:  1-888-812-2557


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Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yes, unless your 35 has been modified, the upward loads on the 35-1 are
carried by the mast.  The halyards exited the mast via a turning sheave and
ran horizontal to the deck.  The turning blocks in the mast carried the
upward loading.

Now, if you or a previous owner modified the running rigging for the
halyards to turn using blocks on the collar or deck then you've created
upward loading on the deck.

When I re-configured Touche's running rigging to run aft to the cockpit, I
used Garhauer mast base turning blocks attached to the mast to ensure the
deck did not carry any upward loading.  See:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_sb5TfIENvsSlRKb1pDdHdoSW8/view?usp=sharing

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 7:50 AM Glen Eddie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don’t have any hangers on my C&C 35 Mk I.  Is there a reason why?
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> *Glen Eddie*
>
> Tel:  416-777-5357
>
> Fax:  1-888-812-2557
>
> *Torkin Manes LLP*
> Barristers & Solicitors
>
>
> Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Dean

Try MCTI in Bridgewater.  They have several alternative marine providers.  I 
use Intact thru MCTI for the past few seasons and they were EXTREMELY SLOW in 
sending out renewals and other documents.  I think this is a Covid thing.  I 
have been working with April Whynot at MCTI

Hope this helps

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com



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From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dean McNeill via 
CnC-List
Sent: August 11, 2020 9:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dean McNeill 
Subject: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

I‘m in process of purchasing a 1980 C&C 34 but I’m being held up by insurance 
provider. 

My broker (specializing in marine insurance) has sent the clean survey and all 
details to the insurance provider. Was supposed to be 2 days for approval… it’s 
now stretching into 4 days and we can’t get a response from provider. I can’t 
do a deal unless I know I can get vessel insured. Any insurers/brokers that you 
think are great and responsive so I can get this deal done?

A little leery of trying the online quote-and-go options but maybe I should? 
Any good redo’s?

I’m in Halifax, Nova Scotia if that matters.

Dean
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Re: Stus-List Redo top deck mk1 30

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi John

Am assuming that you are replacing wet or rotten balsa core.  If that is the 
case then please read on.

Lots of experience on this list how to do this.  You can do the job from the 
top or you can alternatively do this from the bottom.  There are pros and cons 
to each approach.  From the bottom you do not affect the top gelcoat and non 
skid which is a big bonus.  However from the bottom is more difficult and 
requires a bit more precision and experience IMO and usually you would need to 
have a vacuum bagging kit (available from West Marine).  From the top you have 
gravity working for you rather than against you, all areas are far more 
accessible and the overall job is simpler.  I have always approached from the 
top.

From the top you can either remove and reuse the top skin to mostly retain your 
non-skid pattern or you can rebuild the top layer with epoxy or polyester 
(fibreglass) and then paint with a product such as Interdeck or Kiwi Grip.  You 
can also roll on gelcoat to build up a texture if that is your preference.  
Either from the top, the bottom, paint or gelcoat it will look good.

If you can stick to non-skid areas the job is much easier.  Non-skid vs regular 
gloss gelcoat is like Matt finish vs gloss finish in varnish and paint.  Gloss 
shows off imperfections much more readily than matt.

I have replaced core material in large sections around chain plates of our 
former Niagara 26 (built the same as C&Cs of your generation and by the same 
person) as well as cockpit floor on that boat and 14 different deck and cockpit 
sections on our former J27 Nut Case.  I have always done from the top as I was 
shown how to do by a boat builder who routinely repaired decks on C&C 30s mark 
1 for resale as well as C&C 27s and other boats.

The project has been documented on our web site 
www.hoytsailing.com  At the bottom of the page 
click on the J27 Nut Case web site link and on that page look at projects.

I hope this helps a bit

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com



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via CnC-List
Sent: August 11, 2020 8:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Delamirande 
Subject: Stus-List Redo top deck mk1 30

Good afternoon sailors
It seems I’m not going sailing this year
Anyone in my area I can jump aboard
To keep the love of sailing

Here my  question
After ripping the bad Fiberglass and redoing back to where it at
Is better to paint the boat or finish with gelcoat
Anyone has done that in the past?
Any pro and cons
Is there one that last more the other?
Also in the cockpit instead of two little drain
Is it better to put a bigger or longer drain at the door?
Has cnc made better drain in younger models
?
Joël
Whistler 2 mk1 30 1973
--
Joel Delamirande
[https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0Bzdvlj_zFQR9UUZyRjFCM0FGejZXeGd5WFVnVTZRb0Y0Q1lZ&export=download]
www.jdroofing.ca

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Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[Glen Eddie via CnC-List]

I don't have any hangers on my C&C 35 Mk I.  Is there a reason why?  Thanks in 
advance.

Glen Eddie

Tel:  416-777-5357

Fax:  1-888-812-2557


Torkin Manes LLP
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Sent: August-11-20 09:30 AM
To: David Hayward ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rob Ball 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

David,
When the boat is sailing and heels over the shrouds and mast combination try 
really hard to squeeze the two sides of the boat together and the deck to lift 
up (off).  It is VERY important to hold the deck down, and those straps are to 
be bolted so the deck is held down.  If the holes don't align with the holes in 
the mast, then you can see that the deck is already rising up . . .  not good.
With shrouds released try to get them aligned, but if it's impossible you can 
create new holes in the straps an inch higher and then matching holes in the 
mast.
The down rod in the Vee berth is there to take the load of the Baby Stay up on 
deck. I'd tension it to a 'comfortable' amount.
Rob Ball
C&C 34
Escapade


From: David Hayward mailto:krazysail...@live.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?



Hi

Wonder if I have the mast set-up correctly. There are two staniless steel 
straps hanging down port & starboard of the mast. They are bolted to the 
thru-deck fitting, are about 10 inches long and  a bolt hole in the bottom end 
almost aligns with holes in the mast. Purpose and should the hangers be bolted 
to the mast?

Also there's stainless steel rod nth a turnbuckle on the bottom end (in the 
v-berth cabin) that connects the deck to the keel. Purpose and how to tune?

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Thx
David
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Stus-List Stripping sole

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Stripped, used a heat gun and still needed to power sanded, albeit carefully, 
with a palm sander. Started with 80 grit ended upwith 220.

Looks great.

Don't be ham-handed and it will come out fine.

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Re: Stus-List Repowering a C&C 36 to Electric?

[Fitteral Mindspring via CnC-List]

Did some additional research on the Thunderstruck and it seems like a pretty 
good, reasonable and straightforward solution.  Due to the slightly larger 
displacement of the 36, I would probably need to step up to the ME1616 and run 
it @48v for 12kW. Unfortunately this model has the added complexity of cooling 
which I need to sort out.  

 

Does anyone know of any resources for some of the more obscure specs for the 36 
(prismatic coefficient, etc.)?  I am trying to optimize the power required to 
minimize the amount of solar and battery storage without underpowering the boat 
or constraining myself to the marina.  Still deliberating on whether to invest 
in a serious battery bank now or start with the deep cycle and let the battery 
technology evolve and/or price-points come down.  This will obviously be driven 
somewhat by the aforementioned power needs. Any advice on location(s) of the 
batteries?  Obviously I want to minimize the impact of current weight 
distribution.  

 

I am still considering “just” doing the head gasket as my primary option, 
however the more I dig into it, the likelihood of it being pandora’s box once I 
get her open seems to be pretty high, then what?  In for a penny…I would prefer 
to spend my time figuring out a potential electric solution, however I do want 
to get her sailing.  

 

Chandler Rohal

TBD

C&C 36

Rockaway Park, NY

 

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Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

*Amanda Lizon, AMIM | Marine Account Manager*

Gowrie Group | A division of Risk Strategies

aman...@gowrie.com

p: 860.399.2801 | f: 860.399.3615

70 Essex Rd, Westbrook, CT 06498

www.gowrie.com

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, 07:46 David Risch via CnC-List 
wrote:

> My broker is great Kevin Malloy (339) 933 0666
>
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Ken Heaton
> via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:19:23 AM
> *To:* cnc-list 
> *Cc:* Ken Heaton 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?
>
> We have a Cowan Policy through MCT Insurance in Yarmouth, NS.  Giving them
> a call wouldn't hurt?
>
>
> https://www.cowangroup.ca/home/personal-insurance/home-property/boat-insurance/
>
>
> *Felicity Hobbs | CAIB*
>
> Personal Lines Retention  |  *MCT Insurance – a Division of BrokerLink*
>
> T: 902-742-3531 ext. 45642  |  F: 902-742-5822  |  felicity.ho...@mcti.ca
>
> Brokerlink Inc.  |  396 Main Street, Suite 100, Yarmouth, NS B5A 1E9
>
> Branch hours: Mon-Fri: 8:30 am-5:00 pm
>
> Extended calling hours: Mon-Fri:  8 am-8 pm, Sat: 9am–4 pm
>
> Visit us online: *BrokerLink.ca *  [image:
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>  [image:
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> 
>
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 21:56, Dean McNeill via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I‘m in process of purchasing a 1980 C&C 34 but I’m being held up by
> insurance provider.
>
> My broker (specializing in marine insurance) has sent the clean survey and
> all details to the insurance provider. Was supposed to be 2 days for
> approval… it’s now stretching into 4 days and we can’t get a response from
> provider. I can’t do a deal unless I know I can get vessel insured. Any
> insurers/brokers that you think are great and responsive so I can get this
> deal done?
>
> A little leery of trying the online quote-and-go options but maybe I
> should? Any good redo’s?
>
> I’m in Halifax, Nova Scotia if that matters.
>
> Dean___
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My broker is great Kevin Malloy (339) 933 0666

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Ken Heaton via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:19:23 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ken Heaton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

We have a Cowan Policy through MCT Insurance in Yarmouth, NS.  Giving them a 
call wouldn't hurt?

https://www.cowangroup.ca/home/personal-insurance/home-property/boat-insurance/


Felicity Hobbs | CAIB

Personal Lines Retention  |  MCT Insurance – a Division of BrokerLink

T: 902-742-3531 ext. 45642  |  F: 902-742-5822  |  
felicity.ho...@mcti.ca

Brokerlink Inc.  |  396 Main Street, Suite 100, Yarmouth, NS B5A 1E9

Branch hours: Mon-Fri: 8:30 am-5:00 pm

Extended calling hours: Mon-Fri:  8 am-8 pm, Sat: 9am–4 pm

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On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 21:56, Dean McNeill via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I‘m in process of purchasing a 1980 C&C 34 but I’m being held up by insurance 
provider.

My broker (specializing in marine insurance) has sent the clean survey and all 
details to the insurance provider. Was supposed to be 2 days for approval… it’s 
now stretching into 4 days and we can’t get a response from provider. I can’t 
do a deal unless I know I can get vessel insured. Any insurers/brokers that you 
think are great and responsive so I can get this deal done?

A little leery of trying the online quote-and-go options but maybe I should? 
Any good redo’s?

I’m in Halifax, Nova Scotia if that matters.

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[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

We have a Cowan Policy through MCT Insurance in Yarmouth, NS.  Giving them
a call wouldn't hurt?

https://www.cowangroup.ca/home/personal-insurance/home-property/boat-insurance/


*Felicity Hobbs | CAIB*

Personal Lines Retention  |  *MCT Insurance – a Division of BrokerLink*

T: 902-742-3531 ext. 45642  |  F: 902-742-5822  |  felicity.ho...@mcti.ca

Brokerlink Inc.  |  396 Main Street, Suite 100, Yarmouth, NS B5A 1E9

Branch hours: Mon-Fri: 8:30 am-5:00 pm

Extended calling hours: Mon-Fri:  8 am-8 pm, Sat: 9am–4 pm

Visit us online: *BrokerLink.ca *  [image:
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 21:56, Dean McNeill via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I‘m in process of purchasing a 1980 C&C 34 but I’m being held up by
> insurance provider.
>
> My broker (specializing in marine insurance) has sent the clean survey and
> all details to the insurance provider. Was supposed to be 2 days for
> approval… it’s now stretching into 4 days and we can’t get a response from
> provider. I can’t do a deal unless I know I can get vessel insured. Any
> insurers/brokers that you think are great and responsive so I can get this
> deal done?
>
> A little leery of trying the online quote-and-go options but maybe I
> should? Any good redo’s?
>
> I’m in Halifax, Nova Scotia if that matters.
>
> Dean___
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Re: Stus-List Insurance Provider?

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I use:

   https://www.eisenhauerinsurance.ca/
They have always been responsive to me.

   Sail Canada promotes: https://skippersplan.com/
   and I believe if you are a member you get a discount.  I think a 
fair number of people go with

  skippers plan.

  Hope this helps...

  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C&C 30 0549

On 2020-08-11 9:55 p.m., Dean McNeill via CnC-List wrote:

I‘m in process of purchasing a 1980 C&C 34 but I’m being held up by insurance 
provider.

My broker (specializing in marine insurance) has sent the clean survey and all 
details to the insurance provider. Was supposed to be 2 days for approval… it’s 
now stretching into 4 days and we can’t get a response from provider. I can’t 
do a deal unless I know I can get vessel insured. Any insurers/brokers that you 
think are great and responsive so I can get this deal done?

A little leery of trying the online quote-and-go options but maybe I should? 
Any good redo’s?

I’m in Halifax, Nova Scotia if that matters.

Dean

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Re: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Could not have said it any better

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Abbott via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:32 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott
Subject: Stus-List 1979 C&C 34: why hangers on thru-deck mast fitting?

 

David:

The two SS straps are your 'mast tangs'.they are very importantthey
keep your deck from lifting from the upward pull of halyards connected to
your mast collar.   They should be bolted to your mast just as you step your
mast before the rigging is tensioned.  If you attempt if after the rig is
tensioned, the holes in the tangs and mast may not line up.  Same thing with
any halyards, don't have any halyards tensioned pulling up the deck.  Since
your mast is keel stepped, you can safely back off all the rigging and try
to line the holes up. 

The v-berth SS rod with a turnbuckle is used in a similar way as your mast
tangs.to off set the upward pull of your babystay from where the
babystay connects to the deck.  I am of course now assuming you have a
babystay.  Same with the mast tangs, no tension on the babystay.  Tighten
the v-berth SS rod's turnbuclke until the rod feels tightdo not over
tension it as you will pull the deck down.

Trusting this is helpful.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S. 

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