Stus-List Re: MAX Prop pitch discussion

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Chuck,

> It's the first time I've heard of changing the prop pitch for conditions.  
> Did that work out for you?  Was it worth the trouble?

For me it is a qualified yes, it was worth it.  The qualification is the payoff 
was much better when delivering boats between Hawaii and the PNW with the plan 
to cut the corner of the NE Pacific High to save hundreds of miles by motoring 
for several days.  Most of the boats were raced over and did not carry enough 
fuel for the shortcut strategy.  We would carry extra fuel in bladders or jerry 
cans on the deck.  Fuel consumption became a key performance metric.  Running 
out of fuel or having an engine failure in the middle of the NE Pacific high 
could add weeks to a delivery. (Several of my better sea stories were created 
by engine failures between Hawaii and the US west coast.)

Calypso has a 1991 Perkins 4-108M spinning a 19” 3 bladed MAX prop. From my 
pitch study notes, using PYI’s estimates 20 degrees of pitch would allow the 
engine to reach its max 3600 rpm, 22 degrees = 3200 RPM.  My goal was to be 
able to motor, in calm conditions, at 7 knots with the engine turning over 
between 2400 and 2600 RPM. (At 2400 rpm the vibration / noise vs speed ratio is 
tolerable.  New engine mounts added later helped both vibe/noise 
substantially.)  After several test runs in 1999 we decided to go slightly over 
pitched at 22 degrees.

In 2007 while preparing for our trip around Vancouver Island I decided to drop 
the pitch setting to 20 degrees which allows to engine to reach its full 3600 
rpm with out spewing black smoke.  My goal was to insure the engine could 
deliver enough horsepower to punch into bigger seas and wind if needed on the 
west side of Vancouver Island.  Calypso’s fuel consumption increased a little 
if we powered up to 7 knots, was back at best fuel efficiency at around 6.7 
knots.

MAX Prop / PYI is selling a prop model named ‘Easy” that can be easily adjusted 
while in the water.  I have not owner one (I have bought 3 different MAX Props, 
all the “Classic” model.  I think there was one on a boat I helped deliver to 
San Francisco but we had so much wind that we avoided significant motoring 
hours.  I did not get a chance to play with the pitch adjustments.

Good luck on helping your friend on setting his MAX prop pitch. It is my 
opinion that for most coastal/seasonal engine use getting the original install 
pitch close enough to allow the engine to reach its rated RPM w/out black smoke 
is a great place to start.  After the first season the owner can decide if a 
one setting up or down would be better.

Stay well,

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle/Port Ludlow
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Stus-List Re: C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

A few years ago, fourteen of us got together and ordered plans for the
35-3. Everybody wanted something different, so it was an interesting
spreadsheet to hand to the Kingston people, but they were really good to
work with. They were still scanning on order at that point, so it took a
while. They emailed everyone's plans separately on payment. At the time, we
got a special price of $7.50 per sheet. They made some good money off us,
which was great.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 at 11:29, J.P. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Now this is COOL!
>
>
>
> JP
>
>
>
> *From:* JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:58 AM
> *To:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> *Cc:* JohnKelly Cuthbertson 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum
>
>
>
> The link to the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes, located in Kingston
> Ontario that holds the C collection is
>
> https://www.marmuseum.ca/
>
> Contact info at bottom of page.
>
> JKC
>
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Stus-List Re: Huge Problem Found

[Doug Robinson via CnC-List]

Well I am a Google Mail a/c and use Thunderbird as a replacement for 
Outlook and I have never had a problem.  Maybe you ought to replace 
Micro$oft with something that works.


fdr

Programming since 1963


On 12/28/20 7:04 PM, Stu via CnC-List wrote:
It has taken a while and quite a few man hours, but we may have found 
the source of some of our problems.
It’s called   MICROSOFT.  This company has designed it’s own spam 
filter to “protect” their customers from unwanted spam.  The problem 
is that their database is totally different than any of the other 100 
or so popular spam databases.
Once their computer programs determines some so-called spam coming 
from a specific email address, Microsoft blocks ALL emails coming from 
that domain addressed to their customers which include MSN, Outlook, 
Hotmail and others.
For some unknown reason, Microsoft blocked our list.  We contacted 
Microsoft through their web page to have the block removed.  From 
reviewing comments from others having the same problem, the request is 
automatically rejected – 100% of the cases reported this.  Next you 
have to get in line to talk to a real live person who may or may not 
speak English (that we can understand) and may not even be in North 
America.
They confirm they will look into the matter and the block should be 
removed in the next 24-48 hours but there is no guarantee that email 
will get through.
We are at the waiting stage right now and may see some improvements by 
the weekend.
If you are one of many that have reverted to other methods to receive 
our list emails, and you have a Microsoft email account, it is 
possible they have blocked other senders to your address.

At least we are getting somewhere.
Stay safe & healthy – Seasons’ Greetings
Stu

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Stus-List Re: Huge Problem Found

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Maybe a good computer technician can help
I have one that speaks English and honest
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:04 PM Stu via CnC-List 
wrote:

> It has taken a while and quite a few man hours, but we may have found the
> source of some of our problems.
>
> It’s called   MICROSOFT.  This company has designed it’s own spam filter
> to “protect” their customers from unwanted spam.  The problem is that their
> database is totally different than any of the other 100 or so popular spam
> databases.
>
> Once their computer programs determines some so-called spam coming from a
> specific email address, Microsoft blocks ALL emails coming from that domain
> addressed to their customers which include MSN, Outlook, Hotmail and others.
>
> For some unknown reason, Microsoft blocked our list.  We contacted
> Microsoft through their web page to have the block removed.  From reviewing
> comments from others having the same problem, the request is automatically
> rejected – 100% of the cases reported this.  Next you have to get in line
> to talk to a real live person who may or may not speak English (that we can
> understand) and may not even be in North America.
>
> They confirm they will look into the matter and the block should be
> removed in the next 24-48 hours but there is no guarantee that email will
> get through.
>
> We are at the waiting stage right now and may see some improvements by the
> weekend.
>
> If you are one of many that have reverted to other methods to receive our
> list emails, and you have a Microsoft email account, it is possible they
> have blocked other senders to your address.
>
> At least we are getting somewhere.
>
> Stay safe & healthy – Seasons’ Greetings
> Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *
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Stus-List Huge Problem Found

[Stu via CnC-List]

It has taken a while and quite a few man hours, but we may have found the 
source of some of our problems.

It’s called   MICROSOFT.  This company has designed it’s own spam filter to 
“protect” their customers from unwanted spam.  The problem is that their 
database is totally different than any of the other 100 or so popular spam 
databases.

Once their computer programs determines some so-called spam coming from a 
specific email address, Microsoft blocks ALL emails coming from that domain 
addressed to their customers which include MSN, Outlook, Hotmail and others.

For some unknown reason, Microsoft blocked our list.  We contacted Microsoft 
through their web page to have the block removed.  From reviewing comments from 
others having the same problem, the request is automatically rejected – 100% of 
the cases reported this.  Next you have to get in line to talk to a real live 
person who may or may not speak English (that we can understand) and may not 
even be in North America.

They confirm they will look into the matter and the block should be removed in 
the next 24-48 hours but there is no guarantee that email will get through.

We are at the waiting stage right now and may see some improvements by the 
weekend.

If you are one of many that have reverted to other methods to receive our list 
emails, and you have a Microsoft email account, it is possible they have 
blocked other senders to your address.

At least we are getting somewhere.

Stay safe & healthy – Seasons’ Greetings
StuThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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Stus-List Re: C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum

[J.P. via CnC-List]

Now this is COOL!

 

JP

 

From: JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 10:58 AM
To: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Cc: JohnKelly Cuthbertson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum

 

The link to the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes, located in Kingston Ontario 
that holds the C collection is

https://www.marmuseum.ca/

Contact info at bottom of page.

JKC



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Stus-List Re: C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum

[Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List]

Thanks Chuck.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 16:39, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via 
CnC-List wrote:  Here is the contact page for the 
Maritime Museum at Kingston where C drawings are archived.   When they first 
got the collection from Cuthbertson, about eight years ago, the museum offered 
copies of the drawings for a small fee and I bought copies of the few drawings 
they had for my 1989 C 34/36.  They were very willing to help me and sent me 
PDF files of the drawings for about $4 each to my email address and mailed full 
size paper copies for $7 each to my house.  They were scanning the whole 
collection into a digital archive and probably have it all organized and 
indexed now.          https://www.kingstonmuseums.ca/contact       Chuck 
Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R Pasadena, Md  Thanks to all of the subscribers 
that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved.  If you want to 
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Stus-List Re: C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum

[Ted_Relinda--- via CnC-List]

Thanks for the info. Ted. 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 13:58, JohnKelly Cuthbertson via 
CnC-List wrote:   Thanks to all of the subscribers that 
contributed to the list to help with the costs involved.  If you want to show 
your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution --  
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu  
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Stus-List Re: C drawings at Kingston Maritime Museum

[JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List]

  
  
The link to the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes, located in
  Kingston Ontario that holds the C collection is
https://www.marmuseum.ca/
Contact info at bottom of page.
JKC


  

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Stus-List Re: MAX Prop pitch discussion

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Adjusting prop pitch for conditions is very much a thing in airplanes and some 
larger boats and ships. In some cases changing pitch is how you reverse. I 
think SAAB used to sell a little one or two cylinder diesel for sailboats that 
could move an amazingly big boat for a tiny engine due to the controllable 
pitch prop, as in controllable from the cockpit.
Joe
Coquina


From: Chuck S via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 9:57 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung ; Chuck S 

Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: MAX Prop pitch discussion

Hi Martin,

Thanks for your detailed response regarding MaxProp and PYI.   Great advice as 
always.   It's the first time I've heard of changing the prop pitch for 
conditions.  Did that work out for you?  Was it worth the trouble?

I'm still looking for "actual settings" by owners with a C 34/36, two blade 
17" prop with a 2.6:1 reduction.  I'm trying to help a friend (who just bought 
the prop) avoid trial and error.

Chuck

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Stus-List Re: MAX Prop pitch discussion

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Hi Martin,

Thanks for your detailed response regarding MaxProp and PYI.   Great advice as 
always.   It's the first time I've heard of changing the prop pitch for 
conditions.  Did that work out for you?  Was it worth the trouble?

I'm still looking for "actual settings" by owners with a C 34/36, two blade 
17" prop with a 2.6:1 reduction.  I'm trying to help a friend (who just bought 
the prop) avoid trial and error.

Chuck





> On 12/27/2020 9:29 PM Martin DeYoung via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Chuck,
> 
>  
> 
> I have used MAX Props since the mid 80’s including multiple Hawaii 
> crossings. (Full disclosure, I have known Frederic Laffitte one of PYI’s 
> owners since before PYI was a company and have sailed over 20K offshore miles 
> with him.)
> 
>  
> 
> I echo the comments regarding PYI’s recommendations, especially as a best 
> starting point.  Fred Hutchinson has been serving PYI’s MAX Prop customers 
> for a very long time.  I have been at PYI and been able to observe their 
> customer service commitment first hand.  Last time I was there it looked like 
> the next generation was beginning to “learn the ropes” from Frederic and the 
> other owner/managers so us MAX Prop users should have them as a resource for 
> a long time.
> 
>  
> 
> For Calypso’s 3 blade MAX Prop and on other boats I have used several 
> different pitch settings.  For long off shore voyages I have intentionally 
> over pitched the prop (just a little) to reduce engine RPM when motoring in 
> calm (NE Pacific high) conditions.  For our trip on Calypso around Vancouver 
> Island I slightly under pitched the prop to allow better power (higher engine 
> revs) for “punching” into head seas and wind.
> 
>  
> 
> If you do not hear from someone with your same boat and power setup, 
> using the PYI recommendation for your first time underway then looking for 
> the usual signs of over/under pitch may be the best compromise.  When I was 
> experimenting with Calypso’s prop pitch I had a deal with the Travel Lift 
> operator that he would leave the slings down long enough for me to perform a 
> “hot lap” and check the performance.  I got away with this twice before 
> settling on my best 2 options.
> 
>  
> 
> Happy New Year and stay well,
> 
>  
> 
> Martin DeYoung
> 
> Calypso
> 
> 1971 C 43
> 
> Seattle/Port Ludlow
> 
>  
> 
> Hi guys,
> Tables are great, but actual settings are better.
> I hope someone else with a 36 footer and a Yanmar 3GM30F w 2.6:1 
> reduction and a 17" two blade MaxProp will share his actual setting number to 
> help us.
> 
> Thanks to those who responded already.
> Chuck S
> 
>  
> 
> Martin DeYoung
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help 
> with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> 
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Stus-List Hope Everyone Had a Merry Christmas!

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Any cool boat presents?
My wife got me a night vision scope 
It will come in handy on the pitch black Chester River.


Joe Della Barba
DCSI
410-966-7255


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