Stus-List Re: FW: Re: Interior 'walls'

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

Thanks Rod--you obviously know your nautical terms, as do some others on this 
list. Now a few more listers, including myself, know what to call this 
'planking'.
With that out of the way, back to draining the swamp!  To wit:  some of this  
'ceiling'  in my V berth on my 1995 C 36 XL/kcb has been destroyed by a water 
leak at my forward port hull deck joint leak--since repaired.
What I am trying to find is a source of the ceiling to match my original, which 
looks to be either ~1/4" teak or plywood with V-grooves routed in on a 1 7/8" 
centers. The grooves run longitudinally and I need a piece about 12 inches high 
and 24 inches long with the grooves running along the 24" direction.  As far as 
I can tell without cutting out a piece, this ceiling is screwed into stringers 
(behind the 'ceiling') that appear to run longitudinally at the top and bottom 
of the ceiling, which on my boat runs under the V-berth cubby storage cabinets 
down to the fiberglass beneath the V-berth cushion. The screws are covered by 
bungs. I don't know if C manufactured this ceiling material in house or had a 
source for it. I do think a lot of their boats had this 'ceiling' on the inside 
of their hulls.
I would appreciate any leads on where I might find some of this 'ceiling' with 
the grooves already cut. 
Alternatively, I may have to take a replacement piece of wood to a local 
woodshed and have grooves routed in it or buy a router and some appropriate 
wood and have at it myself.
Thanks in advance for any further help--as well as your terminology lesson!
Charlie Nelson1995 C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom


-Original Message-
From: Rod Stright via CnC-List 
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Rod Stright 
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2021 9:30 pm
Subject: Stus-List FW: Re: Interior 'walls'

Hi fellow C 99 owners,On the inside of the hull the covering applied is 
properly called a ceiling. I am from a family of wooden boatbuilders and we 
don’t like to use terminology associated with houses on boats but ceiling is 
defined below from the Glossary of Nautical terms.ceilingPlanking attached to 
the inside of the frames or floors of a wooden hull, usually to separate the 
cargo from the hull planking itself. The ceiling has different names in 
different places: limber boards, spirketting, quickwork. The lower part of the 
ceiling is, confusingly to a landsman, what you are standing on at the bottom 
of the hold of a wooden shipOn pleasure boats example Image 
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/82612974387656165/  Tried to include some pictures 
but they wouldn’t go through on this website.  Rod StrightC 99Halifax, 
NSThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
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Stus-List FW: Re: Interior 'walls'

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Hi fellow C 99 owners,

On the inside of the hull the covering applied is properly called a ceiling.
I am from a family of wooden boatbuilders and we don't like to use
terminology associated with houses on boats but ceiling is defined below
from the Glossary of Nautical terms.

ceiling

Planking attached to the inside of the
 frames or
 floors of a
wooden hull, usually to separate the cargo from the hull planking itself.
The ceiling has different names in different places:

limber boards,

spirketting,

quickwork. The lower part of the ceiling is, confusingly to a landsman, what
you are standing on at the bottom of the hold of a wooden ship

On pleasure boats example Image
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/82612974387656165/

 

Tried to include some pictures but they wouldn't go through on this website.

 

Rod Stright

C 99

Halifax, NS

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Stus-List Re: masthead sheave thoughts?

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

I think that for me when it's time to replace the sheaves it will be time to 
replace the boat and let the next owner deal with it.

Adam Hayden
C 36
Pictou N S
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Stus-List Re: Interior 'walls'

[Daniel via CnC-List]

I have always known the “ceiling” in a boat to be the deckhead.  The actual 
ceiling is the “planking” on the inside of the frames to give a nice smooth 
planked look on the inside as well as provide structural rigidity and 
longitudinal stiffness.  And floors are below the cabin sole, which is what you 
walk on, compared to the floors which are a structural piece connecting the 
left and right frame halves at any given point and are fastened to the keel. 
Ain’t nautical speak grand? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 31, 2021, at 14:24, Donald Kern via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  Being a graduate of Annapolis I was familiar/use the common nautical terms 
> of overhead, deck, bulkhead, ladder, lines, head (much to my wife's ridicule 
> at home).  When working for Raytheon doing radar and collision avoidance 
> instructions, i did find an interesting anomaly aboard a 1000' Great Lake ore 
> carrier in the 80's.  I do not know if the captain was pilling my leg, but he 
> referred to the above in common household terms; ie ceiling, floor, wall, 
> stairs etc.  to the point that the placards on the "front wall" of the bridge 
> said "Left" and "Right" and spoke of the ships railings as "fences".  His 
> explanation to a "Salty" was that his small crew came from Midwest and it was 
> easier to use terms they were familiar with, especially in an emergency or 
> drill.
> 
> Don Kern
> Fireball, C Mk2
> Bristol, RI
> 
> 
> On 1/31/2021 12:38 PM, MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List wrote:
>> Way back in NAVY bootcamp they taught us to call it the overhead.   There 
>> are also decks and bulkheads.   The USN spin on things. 
>> Mike Brannon
>> Virginia Lee 93295
>> 1978 C 36 CB
>> Virginia Beach, VA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Enjoyed your email.  Sounds like you made some wise choices, Mathew. 

I used to race with crew and enjoyed it tremendously.   I brought a few friends 
and my son recruited crew from high school and later college.  But it was hard 
to keep the same guys and my best crewmembers graduated college and moved far 
away to pursue careers.  The offshore races with the Ocean City NJ Yacht Club 
lost participation and their schedule dropped from ten races a summer to less 
than five.  Tired of the same scenery off Atlantic City, NJ, I moved my boat to 
Chesapeake Bay, and though it's 2.5 hrs drive, I love to weekend on it and just 
daysail.   I still do a few distance races solo.  I like the Magothy River to 
Baltimore Inner Harbor or Annapolis to Baltimore Light races.  Great fun and 
some regattas for charity before COVID, would get a hundred boats which is a 
blast to be a part of, and sail and take photos of all the other boats.  It's 
very hard to compete against some of best sailors in the world and so many 
black sails on exotic designs, but it's a fun to compare boat speed and 
pointing angle with our boat, just the same.


Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R Pasadena Md   

> On 01/31/2021 5:07 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> At the risk of providing TMI, my perspective on racing has evolved over 
> time.  I started racing on my Dad’s Cal 33 when I was a kid. We were 
> dedicated racers (and won a lot), which meant at least a full day every 
> weekend (usually Sundays) late spring, summer, and early fall.  My Mom was 
> not a sailor and stayed home to care for my younger siblings while my Dad, 
> older brother, and I were out sailing.  Over time it resulted in marital 
> discord — I think serious golfers run into the same issue.  I decided to not 
> do that to my wife (and marriage), so I stopped racing when we started having 
> kids.  You definitely lose your edge if you’re not out there all the time.  
> These days I do the Wednesday FJAM races for kicks, and a few point-to-point 
> distance races annually.  It is difficult to put a crew together for spin 
> racing, and we’re all getting too old to run the pointy end.  In addition, 
> the Erie fleet now stays mostly in the bay, and my boat was designed to go 
> play in the big waves out in the Lake.  If I were serious about local club 
> racing, I’d get a J 35 or something comparable.  The 42 is too much boat for 
> short, calm water course racing.  To keep a  crew, you need to race regularly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> > > On Jan 31, 2021, at 10:13 AM, David Risch  
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Through tight starts and mark roundings You will learn 
> every dimension of your boat and how to put it exactly where you want it (or 
> not).
> > 
> > Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
> > 
> > -
> > From: Matthew via CnC-List 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 10:08:50 AM
> > To: 'Stus-List' 
> > Cc: Matthew 
> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to 
> > participate
> >  
> > 
> > Bill’s assessment is correct.  He left out that the Erie Yacht Club 
> > Racing Fleet, which used only race with spinnakers, had dwindled to about 
> > 10 or so active boats.  The Chairman at the time (I was Vice Chair) 
> > developed the Wednesday night Family Jib and Main (FJAM) racing, which uses 
> > a handicap adjustment system so everyone can win (sooner or later).  
> > Wednesday night FJAM racing became very popular – so popular that 
> > sufficient interest grew in non-spin weekend racing that we started a fleet 
> > for that as well.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 12:30 PM
> > To: 'Stus-List' 
> > Cc: Bill Coleman 
> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to 
> > participate
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > In our fleet, the Spinnaker is just that, usually on weekends, with 
> > a few races interspersed in the evening instead of the Wed Nite Jams.  This 
> > usually only brings out around a dozen entries. 
> > 
> > Then, the Wed JAMs at 7 PM, usually with a fixed start at the 
> > corner of our club, occasionally with the Committee boat.  Some things that 
> > help, are a good and dedicated Race Committee to get them started 
> > regularly, without delays. We usually get 40 to fifty boats out during the 
> > summer.
> > 
> > Also nice are the Programs that start in the early spring, with 
> > food and drink once a month, then occasional Parties during the summer.
> > 
> > Other things to encourage participation, are three  La Fem races, 
> > strictly women, and another few for strictly under 30.
> > 
> > You can’t understate the importance of camaraderie, keeps people 
> > 

Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

At the risk of providing TMI, my perspective on racing has evolved over time.  
I started racing on my Dad’s Cal 33 when I was a kid. We were dedicated racers 
(and won a lot), which meant at least a full day every weekend (usually 
Sundays) late spring, summer, and early fall.  My Mom was not a sailor and 
stayed home to care for my younger siblings while my Dad, older brother, and I 
were out sailing.  Over time it resulted in marital discord — I think serious 
golfers run into the same issue.  I decided to not do that to my wife (and 
marriage), so I stopped racing when we started having kids.  You definitely 
lose your edge if you’re not out there all the time.  These days I do the 
Wednesday FJAM races for kicks, and a few point-to-point distance races 
annually.  It is difficult to put a crew together for spin racing, and we’re 
all getting too old to run the pointy end.  In addition, the Erie fleet now 
stays mostly in the bay, and my boat was designed to go play in the big waves 
out in the Lake.  If I were serious about local club racing, I’d get a J 35 or 
something comparable.  The 42 is too much boat for short, calm water course 
racing.  To keep a  crew, you need to race regularly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 31, 2021, at 10:13 AM, David Risch  wrote:
> 
> 
> Through tight starts and mark roundings You will learn every dimension of 
> your boat and how to put it exactly where you want it (or not).
> 
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
> 
> From: Matthew via CnC-List 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 10:08:50 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: Matthew 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate
>  
> Bill’s assessment is correct.  He left out that the Erie Yacht Club Racing 
> Fleet, which used only race with spinnakers, had dwindled to about 10 or so 
> active boats.  The Chairman at the time (I was Vice Chair) developed the 
> Wednesday night Family Jib and Main (FJAM) racing, which uses a handicap 
> adjustment system so everyone can win (sooner or later).  Wednesday night 
> FJAM racing became very popular – so popular that sufficient interest grew in 
> non-spin weekend racing that we started a fleet for that as well.
>  
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 12:30 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: Bill Coleman 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate
>  
> In our fleet, the Spinnaker is just that, usually on weekends, with a few 
> races interspersed in the evening instead of the Wed Nite Jams.  This usually 
> only brings out around a dozen entries. 
> Then, the Wed JAMs at 7 PM, usually with a fixed start at the corner of our 
> club, occasionally with the Committee boat.  Some things that help, are a 
> good and dedicated Race Committee to get them started regularly, without 
> delays. We usually get 40 to fifty boats out during the summer.
> Also nice are the Programs that start in the early spring, with food and 
> drink once a month, then occasional Parties during the summer.
> Other things to encourage participation, are three  La Fem races, strictly 
> women, and another few for strictly under 30.
> You can’t understate the importance of camaraderie, keeps people active.  
> Sponsors help to fund parties and keep costs down.
>  
>  
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>  
>  
>  
> From: David Knecht via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:59 AM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list
> Cc: David Knecht
> Subject: Stus-List Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate
>  
> I noticed looking at Bill’s link about his spinnaker that his club has three 
> racing fleets: Spinnaker, Family JAM and Jib & Main.  I don’t know what those 
> represent, but am curious.
> I am in charge of racing for our club this year (for the first time) and one 
> of the things I am looking into is whether we can increase participation in 
> racing by our members.  One idea I am exploring is having a “green fleet” for 
> those new to raicng to get them invoved in a low stress format (primarily 
> start timing when you get to the line).  We would also have a pre and post 
> race skippers meeting/discussion to talk about the race, rules, etc..
> This group seems like a good place to get ideas as to what other clubs do in 
> terms of racing fleets and encouraging participation from those who are not 
> traditionally participating.  Has anything in particular worked well for your 
> club?  Thanks- Dave
>  
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
>  
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Stus-List Re: Removing mast head sheaves

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Last spring I had the mast down for the first time since I bought the boat,  
One of the things I was planning to do was replace the sheaves.  I was able to 
get the plates off with an impact driver, but I could not budge the sheaves.  
Unfortunately, I did not take a picture of what it looked like with the plate 
off, so I don’t remember what the problem was, but I had a small sledge hammer 
and spike and could not budge it.  I should have posted at the time, but 
sheaves seemed fine so I did not pursue it then.  Anyone had this problem?  Dave


> On Jan 31, 2021, at 11:25 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't try replacing mast head sheaves unless the mast was out and placed 
> somewhere I could work on it safely. 
> The mast head sheaves on my Offshore Spars mast ride on SS axles and they are 
> captive inside the welded mast.  I had the mast pulled and did the following:
>  
> Step 1: remove the halyards and rig pull strings.  (You will later need pull 
> strings or halyards to hold the new sheave in position to insert the axle)
> Step 2: remove two screws holding on a SS plate that blocks the exit hole for 
> the sheave axle on one side
> Step 3: use a small 3# sledge hammer and a 1/4" punch that fits into the 
> little hole on the other side and drive out the axle
> Step 4: catch the sheave as it drops through the halyard exit slot when the 
> axle is part way out.
>  
> Install new sheaves following steps in reverse order.
>  
> In my case the main halyard sheave rides alone on a 1/2" axle and two 
> spinnaker sheaves ride on an axle and the jib halyard rides on it's own axle. 
>  I can share pictures.
>  
> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R  

David Knecht
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Re: Interior 'walls'

[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

Being a graduate of Annapolis I was familiar/use the common nautical 
terms of overhead, deck, bulkhead, ladder, lines, head (much to my 
wife's ridicule at home).  When working for Raytheon doing radar and 
collision avoidance instructions, i did find an interesting anomaly 
aboard a 1000' Great Lake ore carrier in the 80's.  I do not know if the 
captain was pilling my leg, but he referred to the above in common 
household terms; ie ceiling, floor, wall, stairs etc.  to the point that 
the placards on the "front wall" of the bridge said "Left" and "Right" 
and spoke of the ships railings as "fences".  His explanation to a 
"Salty" was that his small crew came from Midwest and it was easier to 
use terms they were familiar with, especially in an emergency or drill.


Don Kern
/Fireball,/ C Mk2
Bristol, RI


On 1/31/2021 12:38 PM, MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List wrote:
Way back in NAVY bootcamp they taught us to call it the overhead.   
There are also decks and bulkheads.   The USN spin on things.

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA






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Stus-List Re: Interior 'walls'

[MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List]

Way back in NAVY bootcamp they taught us to call it the overhead.   There are 
also decks and bulkheads.   The USN spin on things. 
Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA




> On Jan 24, 2021, at 1:22 PM, dukatolla--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Charlie
> 
> The correct term is "deckhead".
> 
> According to Hoyle (A Blokee for Britain..: )
> 
> Cheers
> 
> SunnyJ
> 1970 C
> 
> On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 12:49:33 p.m. EST, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think the correct nautical term is 'ceiling" but here is my issue.
> 
> My 1995 C cabin walls (interior) are covered behind the cabinetry or in the 
> cubbies with what looks like teak or teak looking plywood pieces ~ 1/8-1/4" 
> thick which have grooves cut in them about 1 7/8" apart running fore and 
> aft.. It looks like these are held in place with bung covered screws onto to 
> stringers at the top and bottom of the this teak/plywood. 
> 
> I am trying to find a source of this grooved wood to replace some in my 
> forward cabin that was destroyed by a water leak.
> 
> So far I have had no luck on the internet but I may need to search deeper 
> before I give up and have some replacement panels made--I only need about a 
> piece about 1' x 2' with the grooves running with the 2' sides.
> 
> Is this stuff likely available somewhere (maybe in Canada?) or did C make 
> these panels in house?
> 
> Thanks in advance--
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
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Stus-List Removing mast head sheaves

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I wouldn't try replacing mast head sheaves unless the mast was out and placed 
somewhere I could work on it safely. 
The mast head sheaves on my Offshore Spars mast ride on SS axles and they are 
captive inside the welded mast.  I had the mast pulled and did the following:

Step 1: remove the halyards and rig pull strings.  (You will later need pull 
strings or halyards to hold the new sheave in position to insert the axle)
Step 2: remove two screws holding on a SS plate that blocks the exit hole for 
the sheave axle on one side
Step 3: use a small 3# sledge hammer and a 1/4" punch that fits into the little 
hole on the other side and drive out the axle
Step 4: catch the sheave as it drops through the halyard exit slot when the 
axle is part way out.

Install new sheaves following steps in reverse order.

In my case the main halyard sheave rides alone on a 1/2" axle and two spinnaker 
sheaves ride on an axle and the jib halyard rides on it's own axle.  I can 
share pictures.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R  



> On 01/30/2021 5:30 PM Adam Hayden via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> This is a timely post.  How do you access the sheaves at the top of the 
> mast?  My masthead is welded completely.  I have seen other masts where the 
> top plate is bolted on.
>  
> Adam
> C 36
> Pictou NS
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Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Through tight starts and mark roundings You will learn every dimension of your 
boat and how to put it exactly where you want it (or not).

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: Matthew via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 10:08:50 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate


Bill’s assessment is correct.  He left out that the Erie Yacht Club Racing 
Fleet, which used only race with spinnakers, had dwindled to about 10 or so 
active boats.  The Chairman at the time (I was Vice Chair) developed the 
Wednesday night Family Jib and Main (FJAM) racing, which uses a handicap 
adjustment system so everyone can win (sooner or later).  Wednesday night FJAM 
racing became very popular – so popular that sufficient interest grew in 
non-spin weekend racing that we started a fleet for that as well.



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 12:30 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate



In our fleet, the Spinnaker is just that, usually on weekends, with a few races 
interspersed in the evening instead of the Wed Nite Jams.  This usually only 
brings out around a dozen entries.

Then, the Wed JAMs at 7 PM, usually with a fixed start at the corner of our 
club, occasionally with the Committee boat.  Some things that help, are a good 
and dedicated Race Committee to get them started regularly, without delays. We 
usually get 40 to fifty boats out during the summer.

Also nice are the Programs that start in the early spring, with food and drink 
once a month, then occasional Parties during the summer.

Other things to encourage participation, are three  La Fem races, strictly 
women, and another few for strictly under 30.

You can’t understate the importance of camaraderie, keeps people active.  
Sponsors help to fund parties and keep costs down.





Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA







From: David Knecht via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:59 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate



I noticed looking at Bill’s link about his spinnaker that his club has three 
racing fleets: Spinnaker, Family JAM and Jib & Main.  I don’t know what those 
represent, but am curious.

I am in charge of racing for our club this year (for the first time) and one of 
the things I am looking into is whether we can increase participation in racing 
by our members.  One idea I am exploring is having a “green fleet” for those 
new to raicng to get them invoved in a low stress format (primarily start 
timing when you get to the line).  We would also have a pre and post race 
skippers meeting/discussion to talk about the race, rules, etc..

This group seems like a good place to get ideas as to what other clubs do in 
terms of racing fleets and encouraging participation from those who are not 
traditionally participating.  Has anything in particular worked well for your 
club?  Thanks- Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Bill’s assessment is correct.  He left out that the Erie Yacht Club Racing 
Fleet, which used only race with spinnakers, had dwindled to about 10 or so 
active boats.  The Chairman at the time (I was Vice Chair) developed the 
Wednesday night Family Jib and Main (FJAM) racing, which uses a handicap 
adjustment system so everyone can win (sooner or later).  Wednesday night FJAM 
racing became very popular – so popular that sufficient interest grew in 
non-spin weekend racing that we started a fleet for that as well. 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 12:30 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate

 

In our fleet, the Spinnaker is just that, usually on weekends, with a few races 
interspersed in the evening instead of the Wed Nite Jams.  This usually only 
brings out around a dozen entries.  

Then, the Wed JAMs at 7 PM, usually with a fixed start at the corner of our 
club, occasionally with the Committee boat.  Some things that help, are a good 
and dedicated Race Committee to get them started regularly, without delays. We 
usually get 40 to fifty boats out during the summer.

Also nice are the Programs that start in the early spring, with food and drink 
once a month, then occasional Parties during the summer.

Other things to encourage participation, are three  La Fem races, strictly 
women, and another few for strictly under 30. 

You can’t understate the importance of camaraderie, keeps people active.  
Sponsors help to fund parties and keep costs down.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:59 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Racing fleets and getting sailors to participate

 

I noticed looking at Bill’s link about his spinnaker that his club has three 
racing fleets: Spinnaker, Family JAM and Jib & Main.  I don’t know what those 
represent, but am curious.

I am in charge of racing for our club this year (for the first time) and one of 
the things I am looking into is whether we can increase participation in racing 
by our members.  One idea I am exploring is having a “green fleet” for those 
new to raicng to get them invoved in a low stress format (primarily start 
timing when you get to the line).  We would also have a pre and post race 
skippers meeting/discussion to talk about the race, rules, etc..

This group seems like a good place to get ideas as to what other clubs do in 
terms of racing fleets and encouraging participation from those who are not 
traditionally participating.  Has anything in particular worked well for your 
club?  Thanks- Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Stus-List Re: masthead sheave thoughts?

[Matthew via CnC-List]

I went up the mast at the end of the season to remove the genoa halyard
sheaves for replacement.  I discovered that they cannot be removed on my
boat (C 42 Custom) with the mast up, or at least not easily, because the
forestay is in the way.  This project will need to wait until the mast is
down.  

 

From: Paul Fountain via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 7:17 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Paul Fountain 
Subject: Stus-List Re: masthead sheave thoughts?

 

Our 33-ll the top lifts off . . . 

 

Paul

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From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 5:30:26 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Adam Hayden mailto:hayden.a...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: masthead sheave thoughts? 

 

This is a timely post.  How do you access the sheaves at the top of the
mast?  My masthead is welded completely.  I have seen other masts where the
top plate is bolted on.

 

Adam

C 36

Pictou NS

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Stus-List Re: Why race? How did you learn?

[Matthew via CnC-List]

I chuckled at your closing line, Dave.  My wife has become more interested in 
going out on the boat in recent years.  This past summer I set the anchor 
twice.  First time in decades.  

 

From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 7:37 PM
To: C List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; Dave Godwin 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Why race? How did you learn?

 

Charlie,

 

This thread has been interesting. I was wondering, since you mentioned Old 
Dominion, if you ran across Greg Cutter, professor at ODU who was an active 
member of this list and is a serious racer? He and I have raced together, in 
the past and recently Double-handed Down the Bay races and have had a good 
time. We stay in touch.

 

As a data point, I started racing as crew in Cruising One Design boats in the 
winter of 1994/95 in Annapolis. Never looked back; it was like crack cocaine 
for me. I crewed every opportunity that I got, all year long, every weekend and 
any other racing that I could attach myself to. Graduated from crew to owing my 
own boat in the early 80’s. Interesting story there; I crewed on my friend’s 
father’s Sparkman & Stevens alumni 60’, Brigadoon against her sister-ship, 
Running Tide in an AYC Fall Series. I was assigned to the only 3-speed grinder 
for the jib. It was very heavy air. I probably weighted about 145 lbs at the 
time. Me and the other grunt were responsible for the first and second gear 
in-haul, after which we were completely exhausted and a second couple jumped in 
and finished off the tack in the fine gear. I would stagger back to the high 
side and wouldn’t even know where we were. I remember looking back to the 
after-guard and having a revelation: I’d rather be a big frog (my own boat) on 
a small boat than a small frog in a big pond…

 

I crewed or captained on other non-One Design boats, back in the day on 
One-tonners and the like but I just never cared for handicap racing. One design 
was pretty simple: if my competitor was going faster than me, I was doing 
something wrong. And vice versa. Crewed for a good number of famous names in 
Annapolis, around the buoys and off-shore.

 

Did that for 35 years. Stopped because I had earned the respect of my peers and 
the racing was getting to be like the same old black-and-white movie over and 
over again. The start. The mark roundings. Set the ‘ chute. Take down the 
‘chute. The finish. And primarily because given my intensity on the course, I 
was either going to have an aneurysm or be beaten to death with winch handles 
by my crew. Probably the latter.

 

When I met my soon-to-be wife, I informed her that sailing/racing was my life. 
If she wasn’t onboard with that, well fine. She said that she liked sailing (if 
I had a dollar for all my girlfriends who said that and then tried to get me to 
take up golf, I’d have a Hinckley…) and that she wanter to learn how to sail. I 
said that the absolute best way to learn to sail was crew on a race boat. She 
quickly responded that she wanted to crew for me. I told her that our 
relationship would have a half-life of two weeks. I put her on my old crew’s 
race boat and things worked out for the best.

 

So, for me there is not a better way to be able to sail well and comfortably 
than having racing chops in your quiver. I’m still not really a cruiser. I 
can’t anchor to save myself.

 

Regards,

Dave Godwin

1982 C 37 - Ronin

1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana





On Jan 30, 2021, at 5:06 PM, cenelson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

+1 on why race Chuck. All your points are valid and they match my own reasons 
for doing it—plus a few more.

 

I got into sailing late in life and had a terrific mentor who was a champion 
sailor at Old Dominion in college. So I learned what it took to get a boat to 
maximize its potential—all in PHRF racing. Plus he found crew.

 

I found two additional reasons why I race:

 

1) I wanted to earn the respect of the sailors I raced against, most of whom 
knew a lot more than I about sailing and racing. I thought it would be cool to 
compete with what I thought were the best sailors, at least locally.

 

2) I found I enjoyed the competition, the thrill of a good start, catching 
someone to windward or keeping them behind me downwind, etc. among friends was 
fun! Of course, I was more often behind, than ahead, blew the start, was Lee 
bowed and left in the gas of other boats and finished DFL! Back at the dock, we 
commiserated among the crew but often our competitors would come by and 
congratulate us about a good move even in defeat!

 

After many years, I am usually mid-fleet but with enough top finishes to make 
up for the boat costs and troubles and difficulty of finding and keeping crew. 

 

I still love being “...in the game...” and as long as I do, I will race (and 
sail) on!

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

 


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