Stus-List Re: 2021 racing

[JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List]

Ack sorry folks, nothing to do with sailing

JKC

Motion Designs Limited
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Stus-List Re: 2021 racing

[JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List]

Ryan

Really need the 97 “?

How deep ?   Same as the 3/8?

JK

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> On May 6, 2021, at 7:22 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Good to see! Still no racing here, and most of the distance races for the 
> season have already been cancelled :( 
> But I did manage to sneak a sail on a very fun boat at our club last night 
> when the skipper wanted a few extra crew for a quick sail at sunset. It's a 
> CM1200, and a very quick boat. At one point we were doing 7 knots with 9-10 
> knots of wind, and only the main and a #4 blade (he was checking the sail). 
> We then had a wonderful run home doing ~10 knots with his huge 1300 sqft 
> asym, which I got to fly. I was amazed how this boat just slices through the 
> water with virtually no wake at 10 knots. Quite an overwhelming number of 
> control lines though, definitely not for singlehanding!
> It was just what I needed after 6 weeks of boat projects and no sailing...
> 
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
> 
> 
>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:10 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> FWIW, Chesapeake Bay racing has started.  I crewed on a C 99 for a 
>> Wednesday Nite race on the Patapsco River, actually Rock Creek Sailing 
>> Association, near Baltimore.  And Annapolis has started their series.  
>> Here's a brief video worth watching.
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXc-mg53Wo
>>  
>> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R
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>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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>> Stu
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Stus-List Re: 2021 racing

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Good to see! Still no racing here, and most of the distance races for the
season have already been cancelled :(
But I did manage to sneak a sail on a very fun boat at our club last night
when the skipper wanted a few extra crew for a quick sail at sunset. It's a
CM1200, and a very quick boat. At one point we were doing 7 knots with 9-10
knots of wind, and only the main and a #4 blade (he was checking the sail).
We then had a wonderful run home doing ~10 knots with his huge 1300 sqft
asym, which I got to fly. I was amazed how this boat just slices through
the water with virtually no wake at 10 knots. Quite an overwhelming number
of control lines though, definitely not for singlehanding!
It was just what I needed after 6 weeks of boat projects and no sailing...

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:10 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey guys,
> FWIW, Chesapeake Bay racing has started.  I crewed on a C 99 for a
> Wednesday Nite race on the Patapsco River, actually Rock Creek Sailing
> Association, near Baltimore.  And Annapolis has started their series.
> Here's a brief video worth watching.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXc-mg53Wo
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R
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Stus-List Re: FW: 2021 racing

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Thanks Chuck great to hear.  They are great boats in almost all wind conditions.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2021, at 5:40 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes.  He's a pretty cool, laid back guy.  We raced spinnaker with three 
> adults, myself on mainsail, his son did foredeck and genoa trim, and Dave 
> steered.  Eight to ten knots of breeze that tapered off at the end.  He 
> nailed the start and we had two downwind legs with the spinnaker, so we were 
> quite busy.  Ben had his two kids aboard and they stayed safe and out of the 
> way and brought us luck.  No hollering, no fussing or cussing.  Very fun.  We 
> took second place.  I'm still learning how to get more out of the main and 
> learn what his boat likes.
>  
> Chuck  S
>  
>  
> On 05/06/2021 3:26 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List  wrote:
>  
>  
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Rod Stright  
> Sent: May-06-21 4:26 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Subject: RE: Stus-List 2021 racing
> 
>  
> 
> Hey Chuck was that Oasis (Hull #77), new owner David Copley, by any chance?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Safe Sailing,
> 
>  
> 
> Rod Stright
> 
> 
> 
> President
> 
> C 99 Class Association
> 
> Halifax
> 
> Nova Scotia
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
> Sent: May-06-21 2:09 PM
> To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
> Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> Subject: Stus-List 2021 racing
> 
>  
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> FWIW, Chesapeake Bay racing has started.  I crewed on a C 99 for a 
> Wednesday Nite race on the Patapsco River, actually Rock Creek Sailing 
> Association, near Baltimore.  And Annapolis has started their series.  Here's 
> a brief video worth watching.
> 
>  
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXc-mg53Wo
> 
>  
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R
> 
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Stus-List Re: FW: 2021 racing

['CHARLES SCHEAFFER' via CnC-List]

Yes.  He's a pretty cool, laid back guy.  We raced spinnaker with three adults, 
myself on mainsail, his son did foredeck and genoa trim, and Dave steered.  
Eight to ten knots of breeze that tapered off at the end.  He nailed the start 
and we had two downwind legs with the spinnaker, so we were quite busy.  Ben 
had his two kids aboard and they stayed safe and out of the way and brought us 
luck.  No hollering, no fussing or cussing.  Very fun.  We took second place.  
I'm still learning how to get more out of the main and learn what his boat 
likes.

Chuck  S


On 05/06/2021 3:26 PM Rod Stright via CnC-List  wrote:







From: Rod Stright 
Sent: May-06-21 4:26 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Subject: RE: Stus-List 2021 racing



Hey Chuck was that Oasis (Hull #77), new owner David Copley, by any chance?





Safe Sailing,



Rod Stright

President

C 99 Class Association

Halifax

Nova Scotia







From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
Sent: May-06-21 2:09 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net >
Subject: Stus-List 2021 racing



Hey guys,

FWIW, Chesapeake Bay racing has started.  I crewed on a C 99 for a Wednesday 
Nite race on the Patapsco River, actually Rock Creek Sailing Association, near 
Baltimore.  And Annapolis has started their series.  Here's a brief video worth 
watching.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXc-mg53Wo 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXc-mg53Wo



Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R

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Stus-List Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Whoa! Nail biting moment.


/John

> On May 5, 2021, at 4:56 PM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> WE MADE IT... barely.
> When we arrived at the Buckman Bridge (just south of Jacksonville) the tide 
> board read 65.5 feet. I calculated our mast height from the water to 65' 8" 
> so it was close. We waited one hour on anchor for the tide to drop further 
> but it did not despite the 22kn head wind forcing water out of the basin... 
> decision time. We decided to try swinging the boom far out to port opposite 
> the wind direction, then loading the end of the boom with our dinghy filled 
> with water and deisel jugs, buckets filled with river water, etc. and lifted 
> it with the mainsheet block and tackle. Then shifted everyting heavy inside 
> the boat to the port side. This created about a 20 degree lean. Our VHF 
> antenna banged off every ghirder but we made it through! Miller time :)
> 
> Thanks for all the comments and help here on the list and take notes if you 
> have a C like us!
> 
> Dan
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Stus-List FW: 2021 racing

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

 

 

From: Rod Stright  
Sent: May-06-21 4:26 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Subject: RE: Stus-List 2021 racing

 

Hey Chuck was that Oasis (Hull #77), new owner David Copley, by any chance?

 

 

Safe Sailing,

 

Rod Stright



President

C 99 Class Association

Halifax

Nova Scotia

 

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: May-06-21 2:09 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> >
Subject: Stus-List 2021 racing

 

Hey guys, 

FWIW, Chesapeake Bay racing has started.  I crewed on a C 99 for a Wednesday 
Nite race on the Patapsco River, actually Rock Creek Sailing Association, near 
Baltimore.  And Annapolis has started their series.  Here's a brief video worth 
watching. 

  

  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXc-mg53Wo 

  

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R 

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Stus-List 2021 racing

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey guys,
FWIW, Chesapeake Bay racing has started.  I crewed on a C 99 for a Wednesday 
Nite race on the Patapsco River, actually Rock Creek Sailing Association, near 
Baltimore.  And Annapolis has started their series.  Here's a brief video worth 
watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXc-mg53Wo

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34RThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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Stus-List Re: Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

All good questions.  First off, practice is key.  I am surprised by the number 
of folks who wait until getting to a bridge to heel for the first time.   If 
one can’t heel out in the bay and not confidently drive a heeled boat out in 
the bay, then don’t try at a bridge.   I am sure the infamous YouTuber was not 
on their first run about.   Someone suggested sailing close hauled.  That could 
be a recipe for ruining your day, week, and more.  

Assuming one knows their mast height (MH) above the water and the bridge height 
(BH), then the angle of heel (A) is a cosine relation: BH/MH = cos(A).  But 
trying to heel to a specific angle is the wrong approach.  It is better to fill 
up the water bag(s) next to your boat, making sure that the filled bag(s) 
height above the water is greater than the distance you need to heel(i.e., = MH 
- BH +1ft or more).  Then when you swing the water bag(s) out, it will lower as 
the boat heels.  If the bag(s) lower by 3ft then your mast has lowered by 3ft.  
 This is much better than trusting a bubble on an inclinometer.

Those who think they can drop an empty bag in the water and winch it up full 
have never tried. Fill up your bag(s) with a pump.  I started off using an old 
Rule 1500 bilge pump connected to pvc fittings and a long pipe which I would 
snorkel hook on the bag with the pump submerged.  I now also use a wash down 
pump.

Water bags. I know someone who made their own bag and have been using it for 
years on their Pearson 422.  I use three US military water lister bags 
purchased on Ebay(reminds me of my days as an Army Medic).  These lister bags 
are indestructible, but only hold 36 gallons gallons each.  I am now convinced 
that using multiple bags is a benefit.I purchased 2 lister bags for $20, 
but when I went to purchase #3, the best price at the time was $40 (i.e $60 
total).   They should also be readily available at most army surplus stores.

I believe in a controlled heel.  I use a spinnaker pole with fore and aft guy 
lines keeping the pole end fixed, a block & line with both ends of the line 
tied to the water bag(s).  Think of a clothesline system to control the water 
bag going out and coming in.  I actually sue two after guys, one lazy, fore of 
the bag(s), which can be rigged to relax the other,  allowing the bag(s) to go 
out further than the pole length. 

Don’t skip on control lines.  At large heel, the bag(s) will want to move out, 
but as the heel decreases, the bag(s) want to move back towards the boat. 
Without a control line,  you could have a run away 900lb-ish wrecking ball 
accelerating towards your boat!  That could hurt.



-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On May 4, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting video but I can't imagine this is something a first time novice 
> should attempthow much weight does your boat need to heel, how high off 
> the water is the weight, are you confident steering to get the weight from 
> vertical to mast to heeled over, will the actual heel be enough to clear the 
> bridge, how do you determine the angle of heel needed to clear the bridge?
> 
> I doubt this was the first time this boat and this skipper did this.  
> Nevertheless, there still had to be a first time and that must have been 
> exciting.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 3277
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
> On 2021-05-04 6:13 p.m., Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote:
>> That might work, but you will probably shit your pants as you come under it.
>> You might experiment with 4 or 500 pounds of garbage hung off your halyard 
>> and see how much of a lean you get.
>>  
>> 85 Ft Mast Under A 65 Ft Bridge - YouTube 
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Bill Coleman
>> Entrada, Erie, PA
>>  
>> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

If it is mounted on the hull under the reverse transom then one wouldn't 
be able to run the unit while sailing / motoring or even anchored in any 
chop, due to the risk of submerging the outlet and choking the unit.  
Espar instructions specifically recommend mounting on the transom.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-05-06 9:31 a.m., Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


Thanks Josh

That is where Persistence Engine exhaust comes out as well.  I believe 
the concern for a diesel heater exhaust is water ingress from a 
following sea so it is generally advised to have it a specific 
distance above water level.  That could work though with a high 
exhaust loop in the boat but would be a bitch to access from the 
outside for installation with the boat in the water!


Mike

*From:*Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
*Sent:* May 5, 2021 11:24 PM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Josh Muckley 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

Mike, I don't know if it changes anything but ALL of my discharge and 
exhaust ports come out under the reverse transom.  You can see it in 
the video linked below.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yb1hNSENwOHRaZ1k/view?usp=drivesdk 



Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+

Solomons, MD

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 15:19 Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater
with the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?

The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the
exhaust hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there
is potential for water to build up at this elbow joint.

Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?

Thanks

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax NS

www.hoytsailing.com 

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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis

These are all double walled to protect the hull.  Just google heater exhaust 
thru hull or heater exhaust transom thru hull and you will find plenty of 
examples to look at.  Typical installation has approx. ¼ inch of space between 
the pipe portion that travels thru the hull and the hull itself.  On top of 
that as is standard practice the balsa is dug out in the opening and replaced 
with thickened epoxy to prevent water intrusion into the hull.

Very good question though.

FWIW this entire project presents interesting challenges all along the 
progression of installation.


  1.  Where do I locate the heater unit?
  2.  What do I mount the heater to?
  3.  How do I route the ducting to the cabin?
  4.  How do I route the exhaust?
  5.  The Chinese versions are reputed to have lesser quality exhaust 
components and no thru hull so these must be sourced and replaced.  (the fresh 
air to heat is in cockpit locker same as where exhaust components live – vs 
when installed in truck or camper)
  6.  Once all of the above is complete electrical gets looked at.  I suspect a 
boat has longer electrical runs than a camper due to location of heater in 
cockpit locker

All of this in very cramped locations inside the nether regions of a sailboat.  
If all comes together then hopefully will have a  cozy boat to overnight on 
earlier and later in the season.  Especially important when there is nothing 
else and nowhere else to go these days

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: May 6, 2021 10:03 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull


Being from the south where we're more concerned about air conditioners, I'm not 
familiar with heater exhausts at all.  If one goes through a balsa cored 
portion of the hull or deck, is there concern about heat and the balsa?  Or is 
a heater exhaust fitting designed to protect the core from excessive heat?  
Just curious.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Being from the south where we're more concerned about air conditioners, I'm
not familiar with heater exhausts at all.  If one goes through a balsa
cored portion of the hull or deck, is there concern about heat and the
balsa?  Or is a heater exhaust fitting designed to protect the core from
excessive heat?  Just curious.

-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Thanks Josh

That is where Persistence Engine exhaust comes out as well.  I believe the 
concern for a diesel heater exhaust is water ingress from a following sea so it 
is generally advised to have it a specific distance above water level.  That 
could work though with a high exhaust loop in the boat but would be a bitch to 
access from the outside for installation with the boat in the water!

Mike

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: May 5, 2021 11:24 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

Mike, I don't know if it changes anything but ALL of my discharge and exhaust 
ports come out under the reverse transom.  You can see it in the video linked 
below.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yb1hNSENwOHRaZ1k/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 15:19 Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with the 
exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?

The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust hose 
into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for water to 
build up at this elbow joint.

Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?

Thanks

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax NS
www.hoytsailing.com



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