Stus-List Re: Chainplate Sealing - now sealants in general

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:57 AM dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis. Your messages to the list come to me with a yellow warning. I
> don't understand why. You been posting good information for many years on
> the C list. The warning has appeared on you recent posts.
>
>
> Do the flagged posts all contain links?

I'm clueless.  Nothing has changed in my cyber system.

-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Stus-List Re: Chainplates

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the replies.

I was able to fairly easily turn the starboars SS rod that is inside the
boat. The head rotated inside the aluminum block without much resistance. 1
1/2 turns did the trick and got it as tight as the port side rod.

I backed off the nuts on the brass bolts that pass through the deck and did
not see any evidence of water ingress.  I tried removing one of the bolts
but it didn't seem to want to move easily so I decided to leave well enough
alone.  Then I tightened up all 4 nuts on each side with a torque wrench to
be sure everything was uniform.

Mike

On Wed., Apr. 13, 2022, 1:27 p.m. Michael Crombie, <
michaelcrombi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm rebedding most of my deck hardware this spring and have come to my
> chainplates. I have a C 33 mkii (1986). Inside the boat, a tie rod runs
> from the hull up to an aluminum block on the underside of the deck. The
> chainplate is attached to the aluminum block by 4 bolts.
>
> The starboard side tie rod has a bit of movement if I really pull on it.
> My understanding is that the rod has a head on it that is free to rotate
> inside the aluminum block. So I should be able to just turn the tie rod to
> tighten it up a bit. Has anyone done this before? Do I need to first loosen
> the nuts holding the aluminum block to the chainplate??
>
> Second, I noticed that the nuts on both sides aren't exactly tight. How
> tight should these nuts be? Presumably not too tight as that might compress
> the deck too much (??).
>
> Thanks in advance for any comments.
>
> Mike
> Atacama
> Toronto
>
> On Sun., Mar. 27, 2022, 1:05 p.m. Stu via CnC-List, 
> wrote:
>
>> Spring is here and it will soon be sailing season (well for some
>> people).  Don't forget to get your copy of the Spring Checklist - it is
>> a lot easier than trying to remember.
>>
>> http://cncphotoalbum.com/Spring_Checklist.pdf
>>
>> Stu
>>
>

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Stus-List Now Rod Rigging

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

This is really something to think about when boat shopping.  For the C 40 
that I looked at and passed on because of hard grounding damage, the local 
riggers basically would not inspect the rig at all. They all told me more or 
less “it’s old, it needs replacing, we’ll probably damage fittings we can’t buy 
anymore if we try and get it apart”
Joe

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 10:26 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - 
Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

Just replaced 30 year old wire on my Hylas.  Everything still looked great 
until we removed the furler drum.  There was a LOT of corrosion under the 
furler.

I've been told that for salt water boats the rod needs to be inspected and 
reheaded every 10 years and wire should be replaced at ten years (although few 
people do it)

Joel

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 10:22 AM MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Sort of.   I sailed my own boat for 30 years before I replaced the rod rigging. 
  I still have the original backstay which I re-headed.   The cost of doing an 
inspection on rod is prohibitively expensive.   In my opinion it is more cost 
effective to replace it rather than pay to have it inspected.In general it 
is best ro replace all  rigging at the 15-20 year mark depending on where and 
how the boat was sailed.   The local USCG Marine inspectors want rod rigging at 
the 10 year mark for commercial boats.   Were I in Brian’s shoes I’d buy the 
boat and sail it for a season or two and then decide what to do with it.

Just my opinion.

Sail safe,

Mike

Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA


On Apr 18, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

So basically any boat with rod rigging older than 2002 would need all new 
standing rigging?
Joe
Coquina

Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Just replaced 30 year old wire on my Hylas.  Everything still looked great
until we removed the furler drum.  There was a LOT of corrosion under the
furler.

I've been told that for salt water boats the rod needs to be inspected and
reheaded every 10 years and wire should be replaced at ten years (although
few people do it)

Joel

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 10:22 AM MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sort of.   I sailed my own boat for 30 years before I replaced the rod
> rigging.   I still have the original backstay which I re-headed.   The cost
> of doing an inspection on rod is prohibitively expensive.   In my opinion
> it is more cost effective to replace it rather than pay to have it
> inspected.In general it is best ro replace all  rigging at the 15-20
> year mark depending on where and how the boat was sailed.   The local USCG
> Marine inspectors want rod rigging at the 10 year mark for commercial
> boats.   Were I in Brian’s shoes I’d buy the boat and sail it for a season
> or two and then decide what to do with it.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Sail safe,
>
> Mike
>
> Virginia Lee 93295
> 1978 C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> So basically any boat with rod rigging older than 2002 would need all new
> standing rigging?
> Joe
> Coquina
>
>
> *From:* MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 18, 2022 9:36 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* MICHAEL BRANNON 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites -
> Herrington Harbor, area Riggers
>
> As a rigger I would go with Charlie Nelson’s recommendation.   To do a
> thought inspection of rod rigging it needs to be completely disassembles
> and the cold head looked at closely and possible NDT’d to ensure there are
> no cracks.   At almost 20 years old you most likely need to replace it.
>  Rather than sending the rigging to BSI, or other places,   we measure it
> and have new rigging made to our dimensions.It saves you a little
> money.
>
> Just a thought
>
> Mike Brannon
> Virginia Lee 93295
> 1978 C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2022, at 2:43 PM, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck
> balsa replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of
> some / all (?) of the rod rigging.
>
> Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.
> Anybody have any information / opinion on them?
>
> The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on
> the last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 -
> 12 years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a
> good rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington
> Harbor vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod
> rigging is needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming
> up.  Another is M Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end
> of the pricing spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am
> not certain if they have the capability / experience to fab new rod
> rigging.  Am not looking to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on
> these two ?
>
> Many thanks,
> Brian
>
>
>

-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Annapolis Rigging.   Did a great job on mine.

https://annapolisrigging.com

Neil
C 32 FoxFire (for sale)
Rock Hall, MD
484-354-8800

Neil Andersen
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 2:43:21 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net 
Subject: Stus-List Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area 
Riggers


We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck balsa 
replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of some / 
all (?) of the rod rigging.



Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.  
Anybody have any information / opinion on them?



The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on the 
last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 - 12 
years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a good 
rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington Harbor 
vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod rigging is 
needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming up.  Another is M 
Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end of the pricing 
spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am not certain if 
they have the capability / experience to fab new rod rigging.  Am not looking 
to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on these two ?



Many thanks,

Brian

Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List]

Sort of.   I sailed my own boat for 30 years before I replaced the rod rigging. 
  I still have the original backstay which I re-headed.   The cost of doing an 
inspection on rod is prohibitively expensive.   In my opinion it is more cost 
effective to replace it rather than pay to have it inspected.In general it 
is best ro replace all  rigging at the 15-20 year mark depending on where and 
how the boat was sailed.   The local USCG Marine inspectors want rod rigging at 
the 10 year mark for commercial boats.   Were I in Brian’s shoes I’d buy the 
boat and sail it for a season or two and then decide what to do with it.   

Just my opinion.

Sail safe, 

Mike 

Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA 

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> So basically any boat with rod rigging older than 2002 would need all new 
> standing rigging?
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
>  
> From: MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List  > 
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:36 AM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: MICHAEL BRANNON mailto:ff1...@aol.com>>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - 
> Herrington Harbor, area Riggers
>  
> As a rigger I would go with Charlie Nelson’s recommendation.   To do a 
> thought inspection of rod rigging it needs to be completely disassembles and 
> the cold head looked at closely and possible NDT’d to ensure there are no 
> cracks.   At almost 20 years old you most likely need to replace it.
> Rather than sending the rigging to BSI, or other places,   we measure it and 
> have new rigging made to our dimensions.It saves you a little money.   
>  
> Just a thought 
>  
> Mike Brannon 
> Virginia Lee 93295
> 1978 C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2022, at 2:43 PM, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>  
> We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck 
> balsa replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of 
> some / all (?) of the rod rigging.  
>  
> Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.  
> Anybody have any information / opinion on them? 
>  
> The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on the 
> last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 - 12 
> years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a good 
> rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington Harbor 
> vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod rigging is 
> needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming up.  Another is 
> M Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end of the pricing 
> spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am not certain if 
> they have the capability / experience to fab new rod rigging.  Am not looking 
> to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on these two ? 
>  
> Many thanks,
> Brian

Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

I had mine inspected in 2010 or so.  Other than some re-headed work  everything 
checked out.  The mast and rigging were down for 10 years (long story) but all 
went back up and are solid since 2018.

Neil
1982 C 32 (For Sale)
Rock Hall, MD
484-354-8800

Neil Andersen
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:41:15 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, 
area Riggers


So basically any boat with rod rigging older than 2002 would need all new 
standing rigging?

Joe

Coquina





From: MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:36 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: MICHAEL BRANNON 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - 
Herrington Harbor, area Riggers



As a rigger I would go with Charlie Nelson’s recommendation.   To do a thought 
inspection of rod rigging it needs to be completely disassembles and the cold 
head looked at closely and possible NDT’d to ensure there are no cracks.   At 
almost 20 years old you most likely need to replace it.Rather than sending 
the rigging to BSI, or other places,   we measure it and have new rigging made 
to our dimensions.It saves you a little money.



Just a thought



Mike Brannon

Virginia Lee 93295

1978 C 36 CB

Virginia Beach, VA







On Apr 17, 2022, at 2:43 PM, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck balsa 
replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of some / 
all (?) of the rod rigging.



Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.  
Anybody have any information / opinion on them?



The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on the 
last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 - 12 
years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a good 
rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington Harbor 
vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod rigging is 
needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming up.  Another is M 
Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end of the pricing 
spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am not certain if 
they have the capability / experience to fab new rod rigging.  Am not looking 
to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on these two ?



Many thanks,

Brian

Stus-List Re: Chainplate Sealing - now sealants in general

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Thank you to all who responded.  Sounds like butyl is the unanimous
recommendation for this application.  I have some "bed-it" laying around
somewhere, but as I recall it is thin and not very wide, and only comes in
one size.  I probably need something thicker and wider for this application.

 

Any suggestions on a brand?

 

From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 7:26 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Chainplate Sealing - now sealants in general

 

My experience also.  Butyl.

Another observation -- some have posted that they plan to wrap a chainplate
in wax paper and cast it in epoxy.  This is not a good scheme as now your
sealant is hard epoxy.  Water will wick down the joint.  Leave a 1/8" to
1/4" gap around anything that penetrates the deck to allow butyl to seal the
joint.

 

Jeff Laman

1981 C

Harmony

Ludington, MI

  _  

From: John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 7:16 PM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Chainplate Sealing - now sealants in general 

 

Butyl

 

In my experience it is the only sealant that will stay adhered to stainless
and still allow movement

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 6:53 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Stus-List Re: Chainplate Sealing - now sealants in general

 

Butyl tape

 

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 11:39 AM Matthew via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Andrew; were you referring to the C 40 or your current boat? Can you give 
some idea of the price ranges you were given? Thanks 
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Sent: Mon, Apr 18, 2022 9:48 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, 
area Riggers

When I got my new 25-year old boat, I had the rig pulled and disassembled it. I 
had a good look at all the rod and it looked fine. Nevertheless, it all went to 
Rig Pro--arguably the best in the world at rigging--for a thorough inspection 
and assessment and, knowing that I'm on a budget that doesn't include allowing 
the rig to fall over, they replaced the D2s and reheaded everything else. Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
phone  +401 965 5260

Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

When I got my new 25-year old boat, I had the rig pulled and disassembled
it. I had a good look at all the rod and it looked fine. Nevertheless, it
all went to Rig Pro--arguably the best in the world at rigging--for a
thorough inspection and assessment and, knowing that I'm on a budget that
doesn't include allowing the rig to fall over, they replaced the D2s and
reheaded everything else.
Andy


Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 9:41 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So basically any boat with rod rigging older than 2002 would need all new
> standing rigging?
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 18, 2022 9:36 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* MICHAEL BRANNON 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites -
> Herrington Harbor, area Riggers
>
>
>
> As a rigger I would go with Charlie Nelson’s recommendation.   To do a
> thought inspection of rod rigging it needs to be completely disassembles
> and the cold head looked at closely and possible NDT’d to ensure there are
> no cracks.   At almost 20 years old you most likely need to replace it.
>  Rather than sending the rigging to BSI, or other places,   we measure it
> and have new rigging made to our dimensions.It saves you a little
> money.
>
>
>
> Just a thought
>
>
>
> Mike Brannon
>
> Virginia Lee 93295
>
> 1978 C 36 CB
>
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2022, at 2:43 PM, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck
> balsa replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of
> some / all (?) of the rod rigging.
>
>
>
> Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.
> Anybody have any information / opinion on them?
>
>
>
> The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on
> the last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 -
> 12 years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a
> good rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington
> Harbor vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod
> rigging is needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming
> up.  Another is M Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end
> of the pricing spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am
> not certain if they have the capability / experience to fab new rod
> rigging.  Am not looking to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on
> these two ?
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

So basically any boat with rod rigging older than 2002 would need all new 
standing rigging?
Joe
Coquina


From: MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:36 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: MICHAEL BRANNON 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - 
Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

As a rigger I would go with Charlie Nelson’s recommendation.   To do a thought 
inspection of rod rigging it needs to be completely disassembles and the cold 
head looked at closely and possible NDT’d to ensure there are no cracks.   At 
almost 20 years old you most likely need to replace it.Rather than sending 
the rigging to BSI, or other places,   we measure it and have new rigging made 
to our dimensions.It saves you a little money.

Just a thought

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA




On Apr 17, 2022, at 2:43 PM, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck balsa 
replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of some / 
all (?) of the rod rigging.

Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.  
Anybody have any information / opinion on them?

The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on the 
last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 - 12 
years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a good 
rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington Harbor 
vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod rigging is 
needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming up.  Another is M 
Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end of the pricing 
spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am not certain if 
they have the capability / experience to fab new rod rigging.  Am not looking 
to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on these two ?

Many thanks,
Brian

Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List]

As a rigger I would go with Charlie Nelson’s recommendation.   To do a thought 
inspection of rod rigging it needs to be completely disassembles and the cold 
head looked at closely and possible NDT’d to ensure there are no cracks.   At 
almost 20 years old you most likely need to replace it.Rather than sending 
the rigging to BSI, or other places,   we measure it and have new rigging made 
to our dimensions.It saves you a little money.   

Just a thought 

Mike Brannon 
Virginia Lee 93295
1978 C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA



> On Apr 17, 2022, at 2:43 PM, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck 
> balsa replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of 
> some / all (?) of the rod rigging.  
>  
> Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.  
> Anybody have any information / opinion on them? 
>  
> The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on the 
> last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 - 12 
> years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a good 
> rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington Harbor 
> vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod rigging is 
> needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming up.  Another is 
> M Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end of the pricing 
> spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am not certain if 
> they have the capability / experience to fab new rod rigging.  Am not looking 
> to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on these two ? 
>  
> Many thanks,
> Brian

Stus-List Re: Recommendation: Osprey Composites - Herrington Harbor, area Riggers

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I highly recommend Osprey!  They've done work on my last two boats.  Not
cheap, but top quality work!
Can't help on the rod. When I needed help with my Edson steering, Edson
recommended  M Yachts, but I've never used their rigging services.

Joel

On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:37 PM cenelson--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Depending on your DIY skills and the local rigger fees, etc. you might
> consider the following which I recently
> had done on my 27 yr old rod rigging on my C 36 XL/kcb.
>
> A local rigger removed and shipped my original rod rigging to BSI or
> Rigging Only (?) for them to duplicate exactly. He then installed the new
> rigging, tuned it and it was done— no issues at all with adjustments beyond
> normal tuning.
>
> The local rigger figured that the shipping costs for the old rigging was
> worth it compared to a possible measurement error (on his dime) that could
> lead to a big mistake.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/Kobe
> Water Phantom
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> 
>
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022, 2:43 PM, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> We recently looked at a boat on the Chesapeake which would need some deck
> balsa replacement work and a rigging inspection and possibly replacement of
> some / all (?) of the rod rigging.
>
>
>
> Osprey Composites at Herrington Harbor / Tracy’s Landing was recommended.
> Anybody have any information / opinion on them?
>
>
>
> The boat has 19 year old rod rigging and do not have firm information on
> the last time a rigging inspection was made – probably not in the past 11 -
> 12 years when the current owner purchased the boat.  Can anyone recommend a
> good rigger who could do an inspection in the West River to Herrington
> Harbor vicinity?  The ability to inspect, and possibly fabricate new rod
> rigging is needed.  “The Rigging Company” is one name that keeps coming
> up.  Another is M Yacht Services rigging. Both seem to be on the higher end
> of the pricing spectrum.  Eastcoast Marine Rigging was another name, but am
> not certain if they have the capability / experience to fab new rod
> rigging.  Am not looking to change to wire.  Any opinions / suggestions on
> these two ?
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>

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Stus-List Two new recommendations - Spray lube & Deck delamination

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all,

I've had 2 recent successes that might be helpful to know about.  The first
came about because I could not find spray SailKote for an extended period
of time, even here in St. Pete, FL.  Even West Marine didn't have any in
stock.  I had used "Super Slick Stuff" spray at home (available at Lowe's
for about $6.50) with good results.  I had put bronze bushings in our
gooseneck, and it was a great fix, but it was a little creaky.  I tried
spraying it with silicone, silcone with Teflon in it, and even "Dry Lube"
spray all to little effect.  2 days later, it would be creaking again.
Finally, I tried the Super Slick Stuff.  The creaking is gone, even after
more than a week, and no, it does not leave a residue that would collect
dirt.  I've also tried it on my sail slugs with good results.  I think it
is at least as good as SailKote, and certainly less expensive.

The second recommendation is regarding deck delamination.  I had an area
that was about 6" x 18" ahead of our sliding hatch that was fully
delaminated, and whatever core remained was mush.  I could also see where
the prior owner had drilled small holes, presumable to inject CPES (Clear
Penetrating Epoxy Sealer), so I had no idea how hard it would be to remove
the deck in the area to replace the core.  I found a product called
"Injectadeck" and talked to the owners.  I decided to give it a try.  It
worked as advertised, being a two-part injectable foam that hardens to a
very lightweight, but virtually rock-hard material.  We went from a clearly
hollow sounding area to one that is both structurally sound and when
tapped, sounds like a solid deck.  I would use it again.

Hoping you find this helpful,

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092

Stus-List Re: Chainplate Sealing - now sealants in general

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Dennis. Your messages to the list come to me with a yellow warning. I don't
understand why. You been posting good information for many years on the C
list. The warning has appeared on you recent posts.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 3:51 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Some thoughts on sealants.  Sealants are primarily silicone, polysulfide,
> polyurethane and blends of them.  Add to that butyl rubber.
>
> First, as a rule, I like butyl for any hardware that has the potential to
> flex or move.  Chainplates fit that criteria.
>
> My default sealant for most everything else except plastic is LifeSeal.
> For plastic I generally use silicone.
>
> Here's a reference for where to use sealants:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/12WmFxRiqzUw2xiqLaEtfBpS1pYocZID-/view?usp=sharing
>
> Note that Life Calk is a polysulfide.  Do not use polysulfide for plastic.
> LifeSeal is a blend of silicone and polyurethane.
> 4200 is polyurethane.  I don't use 4200.  Got too many partially cured
> tubes.  Look at the expiration date before you buy.
>
> 5200 is NOT a sealant.  It's an adhesive.  From the 3M website:
>
> "3M™ Marine Adhesive Sealant 5200 is a one-component, high-strength,
> moisture-curing, gap-filling polyurethane for permanent bonding of wood,
> gelcoat and fiberglass."  Note the word "permanent"!
>
> A bit off the subject, but Flexpaste seems to fix gouges in rubber rub
> rails fairly well.  Who'd a thunk it?  An "as seen on TV product" that
> actually works on a boat!
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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