Stus-List Re: Batteries again

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I highly recommend Lifeline group 31

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From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 9:40:31 AM
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There is a lot of reason to be concerned about off brands. Pretty much all 
cycling batteries of the same size will be about the same AH rating. There is 
no magic in lead batteries, the AH per pound is pretty consistent.  What 
matters *hugely* is the number of cycles that they can endure before being 
trashed. The various cheap Chinese imports are highly variable to say the 
least, their reviews are all over the place. Lifeline is usually considered the 
best AGM maker.

FYI – Deka makes all the West Marine AGMs, you might call around your local 
battery shop and see what they charge. They are worse than Lifelines, but if 
they crap out after a week at least you can return them to the store ??

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA







From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:25 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
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Subject: Stus-List Batteries again



I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start and 
house batteries which can be combined if needed.  I don’t have large power 
needs (electronics, autopilot and fridge when cruising).  I have been reading 
and researching this and I am unsure of what to purchase.  From what I have 
read, AH is the important number to focus on.  Last time, I got Lifeline AGM 
group 27 from Defender.  Defender has 3 different group 27 batteries

Powertech rated at 92AH  which cost about $330

Lifeline  rated at 100AH for 432

Northstar   rated at 92AH for 457



>From Amazon, I can get a VMAX group 27 with 100AH for $289 or a Universal with 
>110 AH for $239.  Is there any reason to be concerned about less known (to me) 
>brands from Amazon or does it make sense to just focus on the numbers?  
>Thanks- Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: Hot Water Heater.

[John Read via CnC-List]

Geez John - it never ends L

 

John Read

 

From: John McCrea via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 5:27 PM
To: 'Stus-List'
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Hot Water Heater.

 

thanks

 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 5:26 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hot Water Heater.

 

I think that Kuuma are the closest as a direct replacement, but they don't
last too long. Depending on how you use your boat, you may want to consider
a water heater with a stainless tank. I installed an ISO-Temp heater (they
are now part of the Webasto group). They come with the temperature
regulating valve and they are supposed to be quite reliable. But the cost is
usually a bit higher.

 

Marek

1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa, ON

 

From: John McCrea via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 2:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Hot Water Heater.

 

Hello. While working on my packing nut I noticed that one of the hot water
leads from the heat exchanger snapped off. The inlet fitting was completely
corroded through. Same with the other exit side. Glad I am still on land!

 

It is a Force 10 and could even be original. Since they are welded on it is
time to replace. I noticed that Force 10 no longer makes them and Kuuma is
now the closest replacement? Looks identical. Anyone have one of these?
Thanks.

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

Stus-List Re: Batteries again

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Couldn’t agree more on LiFePO for the house bank.  
My journey abd decision criteria here:

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/search/label/Solar%20and%20Batteries?m=1

Dave 33-2 windstar


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Matthew via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> This is excellent information.  Thanks, Paul.
>  
> One of the reasons I have hung on to my lead acid house batteries is that my 
> charger has settings for AGM, lead, and maybe one other, but all three 
> batteries must be of the same type.  The lead acid starting battery is 
> isolated (combined for charging) has good cranking amps, so I have continued 
> to use lead acid for the house.  How well do LiFePO4 batteries perform as 
> starting batteries?
>  
> From: Dreuge via CnC-List  
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:24 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Dreuge 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Batteries again
>  
> Dave,
>  
> As I mentioned in previously replies to the list, it no longer makes any 
> sense to buy lead acid batteries(i.e. flooded, gel, or AGM)  for a house 
> bank.   For lead acid, the AH capacity is highly dependent on the current 
> load due to the Peukert Effect.   Deep cycle lead acid batteries are rated at 
> C/20.  For a 100AH rated battery, this is 100AH/20H = 5A.   This is often 
> called the 20H rate, i.e.  5A * 20H = 100AH. If the actual load is 20A, 
> then the same 100AH rated lead acid battery would only provide 60AH (or 10AH 
> at 100A).  And worse, one should only use 50% of a lead acid battery’s 
> capacity as going below 50% substantially degrades the battery lifetime.   
> This means that a 100AH lead acid battery has an effective 50AH @ 5A (or 30AH 
> @ 20A).  
>  
> Let’s assume a 100AH lead acid battery price of $264 (the average of the 
> Amazon prices), then 2 batteries would cost one $528 and one would get an 
> effective 100AH (50%*200AH) at 5A loads.  
>  
> Now,  the price of LiFePO4 batteries have come way down in the last few years 
> and their performance and lifetimes are a magnitude better.   A 100AH LiFePO4 
> battery is typically rated at 1C.  That is they can deliver 100AH at 100A for 
> 1H(or 5A at 20H or 20A at 5H).  They can also charge at amps up to 100A which 
> is impossible for a lead acid battery.   And LiFePO4 batteries live 5 times 
> longer.  That is,  one would expect to replace 5 sets of lead acid batteries 
> before replacing a LiFePO4 battery.Yes, LiFePO4 batteries are more 
> complex as they require a battery management system (i.e. BMS), but there are 
> companies which provide 12V drop in replacements with the BMS built internal 
> to the battery.   Top companies like Battle Born sell a 100AH LiFePO4 for 
> $874 and provide a 10yr warranty.   Renogy sells a 100AH LiFePO4 for $765.   
> A company, CurrentConnected.com, sells a SOK 100AH LiFePO4 battery for $569 
> and it has a 10 yr warranty!   YouTuber Will Prowse rates the SOK as the best 
> value LiFePO4 12V drop in replacement (see 
> https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/lithium-batteries.html).  There are a 
> plethora of cheaper 100AH LiFePO4 batteries that can be found on Amazon, 
> Ebay, AliExpres, …, but one gets little service and limited warrantees,  so I 
> would recommend avoiding these.
>  
> Rather than buying 2 100AH lead acid batteries for $528 at a total weight of 
> 140lbs(70lbs each) , one could just buy 1 100AH LiFePO4 for $569 weighing 
> only 28lbs and get a better performing battery.  That is basically the same 
> price.   If one takes into account the increased lifetime, the saving is 
> HUGE!  
>  
> If one builds their own DIY LiFePO4 battery, the savings is much much 
> greater.   Last year I replaced 2 100AH lead acid batteries with one DIY 
> 560AH LiFePO4 battery for a little over $900 (see my blog link below).  The 
> DIY LiFePO4 battery occupies the same location and physical space as the 
> previous 2 lead acid batteries, it weighs much less (95 lbs vs 125 lbs), but 
> has 5 TIMES the capacity.
>  
> I recently gave a talk on off-grid solar systems a local  amateur radio 
> society meeting.  The discuss the battery as the heart of the system and make 
> the case for LiFePO4 batteries.  My slides from the talk are available on my 
> blog:
>  
> 
> https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/10/solar-off-grid-system.html
>  
>  
> Also, the details of my DIY 560AH LiFePO4 are posted at the link below which 
> includes details about alternator charging. 
>  
> 
> https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/06/adding-new-lifepo4-to-house-battery.html
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C Landfall 38 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>  
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2022, at 11:24 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
> I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
> replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start 
> and house batteries which can 

Stus-List Re: Hot Water Heater.

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

thanks

 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 5:26 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hot Water Heater.

 

I think that Kuuma are the closest as a direct replacement, but they don't
last too long. Depending on how you use your boat, you may want to consider
a water heater with a stainless tank. I installed an ISO-Temp heater (they
are now part of the Webasto group). They come with the temperature
regulating valve and they are supposed to be quite reliable. But the cost is
usually a bit higher.

 

Marek

1994 C270 Legato

Ottawa, ON

 

From: John McCrea via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 2:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net  
Subject: Stus-List Hot Water Heater.

 

Hello. While working on my packing nut I noticed that one of the hot water
leads from the heat exchanger snapped off. The inlet fitting was completely
corroded through. Same with the other exit side. Glad I am still on land!

 

It is a Force 10 and could even be original. Since they are welded on it is
time to replace. I noticed that Force 10 no longer makes them and Kuuma is
now the closest replacement? Looks identical. Anyone have one of these?
Thanks.

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

Stus-List Re: Hot Water Heater.

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I think that Kuuma are the closest as a direct replacement, but they don't last 
too long. Depending on how you use your boat, you may want to consider a water 
heater with a stainless tank. I installed an ISO-Temp heater (they are now part 
of the Webasto group). They come with the temperature regulating valve and they 
are supposed to be quite reliable. But the cost is usually a bit higher.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: John McCrea via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 2:46 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Hot Water Heater.

Hello. While working on my packing nut I noticed that one of the hot water 
leads from the heat exchanger snapped off. The inlet fitting was completely 
corroded through. Same with the other exit side. Glad I am still on land!

It is a Force 10 and could even be original. Since they are welded on it is 
time to replace. I noticed that Force 10 no longer makes them and Kuuma is now 
the closest replacement? Looks identical. Anyone have one of these? Thanks.

John McCrea
Talisman
1979 36-1
Mystic, CT

Stus-List Re: Batteries again

[Matthew via CnC-List]

This is excellent information.  Thanks, Paul.

 

One of the reasons I have hung on to my lead acid house batteries is that my 
charger has settings for AGM, lead, and maybe one other, but all three 
batteries must be of the same type.  The lead acid starting battery is isolated 
(combined for charging) has good cranking amps, so I have continued to use lead 
acid for the house.  How well do LiFePO4 batteries perform as starting 
batteries? 

 

From: Dreuge via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dreuge 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Batteries again

 

Dave,

 

As I mentioned in previously replies to the list, it no longer makes any sense 
to buy lead acid batteries(i.e. flooded, gel, or AGM)  for a house bank.   For 
lead acid, the AH capacity is highly dependent on the current load due to the 
Peukert Effect.   Deep cycle lead acid batteries are rated at C/20.  For a 
100AH rated battery, this is 100AH/20H = 5A.   This is often called the 20H 
rate, i.e.  5A * 20H = 100AH. If the actual load is 20A, then the same 
100AH rated lead acid battery would only provide 60AH (or 10AH at 100A).  And 
worse, one should only use 50% of a lead acid battery’s capacity as going below 
50% substantially degrades the battery lifetime.   This means that a 100AH lead 
acid battery has an effective 50AH @ 5A (or 30AH @ 20A).  

 

Let’s assume a 100AH lead acid battery price of $264 (the average of the Amazon 
prices), then 2 batteries would cost one $528 and one would get an effective 
100AH (50%*200AH) at 5A loads.  

 

Now,  the price of LiFePO4 batteries have come way down in the last few years 
and their performance and lifetimes are a magnitude better.   A 100AH LiFePO4 
battery is typically rated at 1C.  That is they can deliver 100AH at 100A for 
1H(or 5A at 20H or 20A at 5H).  They can also charge at amps up to 100A which 
is impossible for a lead acid battery.   And LiFePO4 batteries live 5 times 
longer.  That is,  one would expect to replace 5 sets of lead acid batteries 
before replacing a LiFePO4 battery.Yes, LiFePO4 batteries are more complex 
as they require a battery management system (i.e. BMS), but there are companies 
which provide 12V drop in replacements with the BMS built internal to the 
battery.   Top companies like Battle Born sell a 100AH LiFePO4 for $874 and 
provide a 10yr warranty.   Renogy sells a 100AH LiFePO4 for $765.   A company, 
CurrentConnected.com  , sells a SOK 100AH LiFePO4 
battery for $569 and it has a 10 yr warranty!   YouTuber Will Prowse rates the 
SOK as the best value LiFePO4 12V drop in replacement (see 
https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/lithium-batteries.html).  There are a 
plethora of cheaper 100AH LiFePO4 batteries that can be found on Amazon, Ebay, 
AliExpres, …, but one gets little service and limited warrantees,  so I would 
recommend avoiding these.

 

Rather than buying 2 100AH lead acid batteries for $528 at a total weight of 
140lbs(70lbs each) , one could just buy 1 100AH LiFePO4 for $569 weighing only 
28lbs and get a better performing battery.  That is basically the same price.   
If one takes into account the increased lifetime, the saving is HUGE!  

 

If one builds their own DIY LiFePO4 battery, the savings is much much greater.  
 Last year I replaced 2 100AH lead acid batteries with one DIY 560AH LiFePO4 
battery for a little over $900 (see my blog link below).  The DIY LiFePO4 
battery occupies the same location and physical space as the previous 2 lead 
acid batteries, it weighs much less (95 lbs vs 125 lbs), but has 5 TIMES the 
capacity.

 

I recently gave a talk on off-grid solar systems a local  amateur radio society 
meeting.  The discuss the battery as the heart of the system and make the case 
for LiFePO4 batteries.  My slides from the talk are available on my blog:

 


https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/10/solar-off-grid-system.html

 

 

Also, the details of my DIY 560AH LiFePO4 are posted at the link below which 
includes details about alternator charging. 

 


https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/06/adding-new-lifepo4-to-house-battery.html

 

 

 

 

 

-
Paul E.

1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

 

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/





On May 26, 2022, at 11:24 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start and 
house batteries which can be combined if needed.  I don’t have large power 
needs (electronics, autopilot and fridge when cruising).  I have been reading 
and researching this and I am unsure of what to purchase.  From what I have 
read, AH is the important number to focus on.  Last time, I got Lifeline AGM 
group 27 from Defender.  Defender has 3 different group 27 batteries

Powertech rated at 92AH  

Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Used to be

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Josh via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:21:04 PM
Cc: Stus-List ; Josh 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

Maybe.  I don't know.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


May 26, 2022 12:02:50 PM Neil Andersen :

Isn’t  Log Pond affiliated with Havre de Grace Marina just above the bridge?

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:51:14 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

I don't know if Brian Fry is still on the list but he lives on his boat(S) out 
of Havre De Grace.  It is a bit of a stretch up the river but I imagine the 
slips are pretty cost effective.  I believe he's at Log Pond IIRC?  It's a 
marina tied to condos.  Marine services are not their  bread and butter so if 
you're looking for full service you should probably look elsewhere but the 
floating docks and break wall are certainly nice enough to store a boat for a 
month.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, May 26, 2022, 10:19 Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Brian,

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several marinas 
just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if they have 
space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I can't 
recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you find the 
right place.

Joel

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

All,

We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to a 
month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or 
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of 
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel a 
plus.



The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and 
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber 
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be less, 
though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making a longer 
trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to a rental car 
return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.



Any suggestions?



Thanks,

Brian


--
Joel

Stus-List Re: Batteries again

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Dave,

As I mentioned in previously replies to the list, it no longer makes any sense 
to buy lead acid batteries(i.e. flooded, gel, or AGM)  for a house bank.   For 
lead acid, the AH capacity is highly dependent on the current load due to the 
Peukert Effect.   Deep cycle lead acid batteries are rated at C/20.  For a 
100AH rated battery, this is 100AH/20H = 5A.   This is often called the 20H 
rate, i.e.  5A * 20H = 100AH. If the actual load is 20A, then the same 
100AH rated lead acid battery would only provide 60AH (or 10AH at 100A).  And 
worse, one should only use 50% of a lead acid battery’s capacity as going below 
50% substantially degrades the battery lifetime.   This means that a 100AH lead 
acid battery has an effective 50AH @ 5A (or 30AH @ 20A).  

Let’s assume a 100AH lead acid battery price of $264 (the average of the Amazon 
prices), then 2 batteries would cost one $528 and one would get an effective 
100AH (50%*200AH) at 5A loads.  

Now,  the price of LiFePO4 batteries have come way down in the last few years 
and their performance and lifetimes are a magnitude better.   A 100AH LiFePO4 
battery is typically rated at 1C.  That is they can deliver 100AH at 100A for 
1H(or 5A at 20H or 20A at 5H).  They can also charge at amps up to 100A which 
is impossible for a lead acid battery.   And LiFePO4 batteries live 5 times 
longer.  That is,  one would expect to replace 5 sets of lead acid batteries 
before replacing a LiFePO4 battery.Yes, LiFePO4 batteries are more complex 
as they require a battery management system (i.e. BMS), but there are companies 
which provide 12V drop in replacements with the BMS built internal to the 
battery.   Top companies like Battle Born sell a 100AH LiFePO4 for $874 and 
provide a 10yr warranty.   Renogy sells a 100AH LiFePO4 for $765.   A company, 
CurrentConnected.com , sells a SOK 100AH LiFePO4 
battery for $569 and it has a 10 yr warranty!   YouTuber Will Prowse rates the 
SOK as the best value LiFePO4 12V drop in replacement (see 
https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/lithium-batteries.html 
).  There are a 
plethora of cheaper 100AH LiFePO4 batteries that can be found on Amazon, Ebay, 
AliExpres, …, but one gets little service and limited warrantees,  so I would 
recommend avoiding these.

Rather than buying 2 100AH lead acid batteries for $528 at a total weight of 
140lbs(70lbs each) , one could just buy 1 100AH LiFePO4 for $569 weighing only 
28lbs and get a better performing battery.  That is basically the same price.   
If one takes into account the increased lifetime, the saving is HUGE!  

If one builds their own DIY LiFePO4 battery, the savings is much much greater.  
 Last year I replaced 2 100AH lead acid batteries with one DIY 560AH LiFePO4 
battery for a little over $900 (see my blog link below).  The DIY LiFePO4 
battery occupies the same location and physical space as the previous 2 lead 
acid batteries, it weighs much less (95 lbs vs 125 lbs), but has 5 TIMES the 
capacity.

I recently gave a talk on off-grid solar systems a local  amateur radio society 
meeting.  The discuss the battery as the heart of the system and make the case 
for LiFePO4 batteries.  My slides from the talk are available on my blog:

https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/10/solar-off-grid-system.html 



Also, the details of my DIY 560AH LiFePO4 are posted at the link below which 
includes details about alternator charging. 


https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/06/adding-new-lifepo4-to-house-battery.html
 



 


-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On May 26, 2022, at 11:24 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
> replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start 
> and house batteries which can be combined if needed.  I don’t have large 
> power needs (electronics, autopilot and fridge when cruising).  I have been 
> reading and researching this and I am unsure of what to purchase.  From what 
> I have read, AH is the important number to focus on.  Last time, I got 
> Lifeline AGM group 27 from Defender.  Defender has 3 different group 27 
> batteries
> Powertech rated at 92AH  which cost about $330
> Lifeline  rated at 100AH for 432
> Northstar   rated at 92AH for 457
>   
> From Amazon, I can get a VMAX group 27 with 100AH for $289 or a Universal 
> with 110 AH for $239.  Is there any reason to be concerned about less known 
> (to me) brands from Amazon or does it make sense to just focus on the 
> numbers?  Thanks- Dave  
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 

Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Josh via CnC-List]

Maybe.  I don't know.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

May 26, 2022 12:02:50 PM Neil Andersen :

> Isn’t  Log Pond affiliated with Havre de Grace Marina just above the bridge?
> 
> Neil Andersen, W3NEA 
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> 484-354-8800
> 
> *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:51:14 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake
>  
> I don't know if Brian Fry is still on the list but he lives on his boat(S) 
> out of Havre De Grace.  It is a bit of a stretch up the river but I imagine 
> the slips are pretty cost effective.  I believe he's at Log Pond IIRC?  It's 
> a marina tied to condos.  Marine services are not their  bread and butter so 
> if you're looking for full service you should probably look elsewhere but the 
> floating docks and break wall are certainly nice enough to store a boat for a 
> month.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
> On Thu, May 26, 2022, 10:19 Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>> Brian,
>> 
>> I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
>> much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several 
>> marinas just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if 
>> they have space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I 
>> can't recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you 
>> find the right place.
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks 
>>> to a month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips 
>>> or moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need 
>>> lots of amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, 
>>> clean fuel a plus.  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC 
>>> and western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or 
>>> Uber back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
>>> Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be 
>>> less, though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making 
>>> a longer trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to 
>>> a rental car return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions? 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Joel
>> 

Stus-List Re: Hot Water Heater.

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 John: I might, let me check...I bought one and never got around to putting it 
in...;
 
Richard
 
Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: John McCrea via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2022 2:46 pm
Subject: Stus-List Hot Water Heater.

Hello. While working on my packing nut I 
noticed that one of the hot water leads from the heat exchanger snapped off. 
The inlet fitting was completely corroded through. Same with the other exit 
side. Glad I am still on land!  It is a Force 10 and could even be original. 
Since they are welded on it is time to replace. I noticed that Force 10 no 
longer makes them and Kuuma is now the closest replacement? Looks identical. 
Anyone have one of these? Thanks.  John McCreaTalisman1979 36-1Mystic, CT

Stus-List Hot Water Heater.

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Hello. While working on my packing nut I noticed that one of the hot water
leads from the heat exchanger snapped off. The inlet fitting was completely
corroded through. Same with the other exit side. Glad I am still on land!

 

It is a Force 10 and could even be original. Since they are welded on it is
time to replace. I noticed that Force 10 no longer makes them and Kuuma is
now the closest replacement? Looks identical. Anyone have one of these?
Thanks.

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

Stus-List Potentially selling our C 40-2 checking for interest.

[Rick E via CnC-List]

Hello all,  I thought I would post this up only because our family is getting 
so busy that I haven't had the time to put into the boat lately. If I finish 
her this summer I will keep her, otherwise just testing waters in case any 
other C fans are interested.
I have a 1980 C 40-2 tall rig 7ft draft Yanmar 30QM with 10 gallons diesel 
tank, 60 gallons fresh water of which 30 is good, the other 30 gallon tank 
needs work as it has a small leak. almost new manual flush head, full galley 
with 4 burner force stove/oven and 2 basin sink. FORWARD FACING NAV DESK which 
was important to me. All teak interior, standard layout sleeps 6 with V-birth 
and quarter birth on port side behind nav stn. Starboard Galley. All hatches 
including companionway top slider are glass with no crazing. includes spinnaker 
pole/wing pole and has swim step ladder. 
Anyone seriously interested in her is welcome to physical inspection and if 
seriously interested is welcome to have a survey prior to purchase. Some want 
one, some do the inspection themselves, it's up to the interested buying party 
as to what they want to do about it. I have an old survey somewhere in the 
records and I also have documentation history from new purchase until the prior 
owner to me.
documented USCG sailboat 12.06m/39.72ft "40-2" ex racer/cruiser that we bought 
a couple years ago. I started fixing the small things and upgrading the 
electronics on her to modern LED lighting, AIS and radios etc.
She comes with at least 7 bags of sails, I have a dinghy and 15hp outboard and 
a whole lotta parts for the big plans I was working on. I am on the fence as to 
sell or finish the upgrades but thought I would post. She currently has 
Raymarine instruments from the early mid 2000's circa 2006 or 2008 ish. I was 
planning on replacing or supplementing with new NMEA backbone and B 
electronics. 
I wanted her blue-water cruise ready for some day in the not so distant future 
I wanted to Trans-Pac her over to Hawaii and meet up with family members that 
live over there. My wife's family members have called HI home since the 1850's, 
long before being part of the USA. They have grown coffee and macadamia nuts 
for over 100 years on their plantation farm. We were eventually going to cruise 
the islands then head back to the West coast and cruise back down to our home 
port after visiting several areas of the PNW again. Kids are so busy and tied 
in with their friends we have put all that off for now.
$18,500 will include all the newer upgrade stuff I bought for her including:
LED lights (dual red/white stainless steel)roller furling head sail hardware 
NIBB Zeus 12 chart plotter with full WiFiB Halo24 doppler radar 60RPM 
domeB Class B- AIS transponderB wireless 320 mast head wind/speed 
indicatorB 9 8-way electronic bearing compass for NEMA2000 radar & auto helm 
controlTwo icom marine radios VHF Edson 7' tall stern mount nav tower system 
with arms for GPS/AIS/CB antennasSGC 2000 dual head HF 150watt transceiver with 
power talk remote control head.SGC 230 remote backstay antenna tuner200w of 
solar panels and up to 80A solar charger system ForeSpar stainless dinghy davit 
system with 4:1 purchaseLED deck lighting for mast spars or nav tower mounting, 
(dual color white/blue) contoller built inPVC 11ft dinghy tender with both hard 
and air floor kitMercury 15Hp 4-stroke outboard and two gas tanks for dinghy
If just the boat is wanted, the price will reflect and can be negotiated.

Boat is located in Wilmington, California on the west coast and the marina slip 
is transferrable OAC with the management if desired.
She needs some work on the cabin top, lights, lifelines which I have bought 
some spare parts that are OEM to C from our well known Chandlery listed in 
the C website pages.
I have pictures available and can show the boat almost any weekend or by 
appointment. 
We want to finish it but so many activities with my twin girls and son that I 
have had a hard time breaking away and do things I want to on her. The family 
wants to cruise the islands over the summer but with all the sports and 
activities, I don't know how or when they will have the time.
 I posted this up here just in case.
Rick & DebS/V Starlight

Stus-List Re: Batteries again

[cenelson--- via CnC-List]

I agree!
You might also look at Northstar (?) all virgin lead AGM batteries that come 
with (or used to) a very good warranty—full replacement up to 3 yrs IIRC.
Sold at Batteries plus stores (and probably others). One of my crew left the 
fridge on when he left the boat and ruined 2 31 size Northstar near the end of 
the full replacement date and they were replaced with NEW ones at no charge.
With that kind of customer service, I bought another Northstar from them for my 
start battery.
YMMV but I would buy them again when necessary.
Charlie Nelson1995 C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Thursday, May 26, 2022, 11:40 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 wrote:


There is a lot of reason to be concerned about off brands. Pretty much all 
cycling batteries of the same size will be about the same AH rating. There is 
no magic in lead batteries, the AH per pound is pretty consistent.  What 
matters *hugely* is the number of cycles that they can endure before being 
trashed. The various cheap Chinese imports are highly variable to say the 
least, their reviews are all over the place. Lifeline is usually considered the 
best AGM maker. 

FYI – Deka makes all the West Marine AGMs, you might call around your local 
battery shop and see what they charge. They are worse than Lifelines, but if 
they crap out after a week at least you can return them to the store 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

  

  

  

From: David Knecht via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:25 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Batteries again

  

I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start and 
house batteries which can be combined if needed.  I don’t have large power 
needs (electronics, autopilot and fridge when cruising).  I have been reading 
and researching this and I am unsure of what to purchase.  From what I have 
read, AH is the important number to focus on.  Last time, I got Lifeline AGM 
group 27 from Defender.  Defender has 3 different group 27 batteries

Powertech rated at 92AH  which cost about $330

Lifeline      rated at 100AH for 432

Northstar   rated at 92AH for 457

  

>From Amazon, I can get a VMAX group 27 with 100AH for $289 or a Universal with 
>110 AH for $239.  Is there any reason to be concerned about less known (to me) 
>brands from Amazon or does it make sense to just focus on the numbers?  
>Thanks- Dave  

  

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




  

Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Isn’t  Log Pond affiliated with Havre de Grace Marina just above the bridge?

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:51:14 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

I don't know if Brian Fry is still on the list but he lives on his boat(S) out 
of Havre De Grace.  It is a bit of a stretch up the river but I imagine the 
slips are pretty cost effective.  I believe he's at Log Pond IIRC?  It's a 
marina tied to condos.  Marine services are not their  bread and butter so if 
you're looking for full service you should probably look elsewhere but the 
floating docks and break wall are certainly nice enough to store a boat for a 
month.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, May 26, 2022, 10:19 Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Brian,

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several marinas 
just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if they have 
space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I can't 
recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you find the 
right place.

Joel

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

All,

We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to a 
month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or 
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of 
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel a 
plus.



The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and 
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber 
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be less, 
though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making a longer 
trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to a rental car 
return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.



Any suggestions?



Thanks,

Brian


--
Joel

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[nausetbeach--- via CnC-List]

Thanks you Joe.  That is much better than the Annapolis rates I have found so 
far. 

 

Will give Danielle a call.  Not sure of our dates yet but good to make the 
contact.  

 

Thanks,

Brian

 

 

From: Della Barba, Joe  
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:12 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net
Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

For 40 feet for a month $450/month + $50 for electricity.

You can call Castle Marina at 410-643-5599 and ask for Danielle to make 
arrangements. 

 

 

Joe

Coquina

 

 

From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:52 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com  ; 
nausetbe...@optonline.net  
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

Hi Joe,

 

Thanks Joe.  A very kind offer.  40’ and 5’  

 

Am not receiving all the list emails – neither my first posting nor your first 
reply has not shown up [yet] but this one did.  If you would also copy me 
directly at nausetbeach  AT  optonline.net there is a better chance of me 
seeing your email.  My ISP is a pita with uneven screening of emails, some get 
through but some do not.  

 

Many thanks,

Brian

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com  
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

Can you let me know your LOA and draft?

Thanks

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:32 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

The moorings in Annapolis are not intended for storage of unoccupied boats, the 
harbormaster will have a fit if they figure out you are not there. Also $35/day 
can add up.

My marina on the north side of Kent Island is usually quite a bit cheaper than 
Annapolis, if you come here you’ll be the 3rd lister in the marina. I’ll check 
the rates for a month. We have water, fuel, a pool, pumpout, and a hot tub.

 

Joe 

Coquina

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:19 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

Brian,

 

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several marinas 
just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if they have 
space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I can't 
recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you find the 
right place.

 

Joel

 

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

All, 

We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to a 
month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or 
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of 
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel a 
plus.  

 

The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and 
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber 
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be less, 
though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making a longer 
trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to a rental car 
return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.  

 

Any suggestions?  

 

Thanks,

Brian




 

-- 

Joel 

Stus-List Re: Batteries again

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

There is a lot of reason to be concerned about off brands. Pretty much all 
cycling batteries of the same size will be about the same AH rating. There is 
no magic in lead batteries, the AH per pound is pretty consistent.  What 
matters *hugely* is the number of cycles that they can endure before being 
trashed. The various cheap Chinese imports are highly variable to say the 
least, their reviews are all over the place. Lifeline is usually considered the 
best AGM maker. 

FYI – Deka makes all the West Marine AGMs, you might call around your local 
battery shop and see what they charge. They are worse than Lifelines, but if 
they crap out after a week at least you can return them to the store 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:25 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Batteries again

 

I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start and 
house batteries which can be combined if needed.  I don’t have large power 
needs (electronics, autopilot and fridge when cruising).  I have been reading 
and researching this and I am unsure of what to purchase.  From what I have 
read, AH is the important number to focus on.  Last time, I got Lifeline AGM 
group 27 from Defender.  Defender has 3 different group 27 batteries

Powertech rated at 92AH  which cost about $330

Lifeline  rated at 100AH for 432

Northstar   rated at 92AH for 457

  

>From Amazon, I can get a VMAX group 27 with 100AH for $289 or a Universal with 
>110 AH for $239.  Is there any reason to be concerned about less known (to me) 
>brands from Amazon or does it make sense to just focus on the numbers?  
>Thanks- Dave  

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

Stus-List Batteries again

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have been following the battery discussion and have a question.  I need to 
replace my two 9 year old AGM batteries this season.  I have separate start and 
house batteries which can be combined if needed.  I don’t have large power 
needs (electronics, autopilot and fridge when cruising).  I have been reading 
and researching this and I am unsure of what to purchase.  From what I have 
read, AH is the important number to focus on.  Last time, I got Lifeline AGM 
group 27 from Defender.  Defender has 3 different group 27 batteries
Powertech rated at 92AH  which cost about $330
Lifeline  rated at 100AH for 432
Northstar   rated at 92AH for 457
  
From Amazon, I can get a VMAX group 27 with 100AH for $289 or a Universal with 
110 AH for $239.  Is there any reason to be concerned about less known (to me) 
brands from Amazon or does it make sense to just focus on the numbers?  Thanks- 
Dave  

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

For 40 feet for a month $450/month + $50 for electricity.
You can call Castle Marina at 410-643-5599 and ask for Danielle to make 
arrangements.


Joe
Coquina


From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:52 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; nausetbe...@optonline.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

Hi Joe,

Thanks Joe.  A very kind offer.  40’ and 5’

Am not receiving all the list emails – neither my first posting nor your first 
reply has not shown up [yet] but this one did.  If you would also copy me 
directly at nausetbeach  AT  optonline.net there is a better chance of me 
seeing your email.  My ISP is a pita with uneven screening of emails, some get 
through but some do not.

Many thanks,
Brian

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

Can you let me know your LOA and draft?
Thanks

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA



From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:32 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

The moorings in Annapolis are not intended for storage of unoccupied boats, the 
harbormaster will have a fit if they figure out you are not there. Also $35/day 
can add up.
My marina on the north side of Kent Island is usually quite a bit cheaper than 
Annapolis, if you come here you’ll be the 3rd lister in the marina. I’ll check 
the rates for a month. We have water, fuel, a pool, pumpout, and a hot tub.

Joe
Coquina

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:19 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

Brian,

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several marinas 
just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if they have 
space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I can't 
recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you find the 
right place.

Joel

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
All,
We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to a 
month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or 
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of 
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel a 
plus.

The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and 
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber 
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be less, 
though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making a longer 
trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to a rental car 
return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Brian


--
Joel

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[nausetbeach--- via CnC-List]

Hi Joe,

 

Thanks Joe.  A very kind offer.  40’ and 5’  

 

Am not receiving all the list emails – neither my first posting nor your first 
reply has not shown up [yet] but this one did.  If you would also copy me 
directly at nausetbeach  AT  optonline.net there is a better chance of me 
seeing your email.  My ISP is a pita with uneven screening of emails, some get 
through but some do not.  

 

Many thanks,

Brian

 

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

Can you let me know your LOA and draft?

Thanks

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:32 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

The moorings in Annapolis are not intended for storage of unoccupied boats, the 
harbormaster will have a fit if they figure out you are not there. Also $35/day 
can add up.

My marina on the north side of Kent Island is usually quite a bit cheaper than 
Annapolis, if you come here you’ll be the 3rd lister in the marina. I’ll check 
the rates for a month. We have water, fuel, a pool, pumpout, and a hot tub.

 

Joe 

Coquina

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:19 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

Brian,

 

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several marinas 
just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if they have 
space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I can't 
recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you find the 
right place.

 

Joel

 

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

All, 

We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to a 
month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or 
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of 
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel a 
plus.  

 

The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and 
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber 
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be less, 
though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making a longer 
trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to a rental car 
return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.  

 

Any suggestions?  

 

Thanks,

Brian




 

-- 

Joel 

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My marina is $400/month for a 35 foot transient plus electric, but 5-1/2 feet 
is the max draft.


Joe Della Barba

Coquina


From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:40 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

Thanks Joel.  Will look into both areas.  Am currently looking at Dockwa.  
Getting the Waterway Guide is on the list.

Thanks,
Brian

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:19 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

Brian,

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several marinas 
just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if they have 
space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I can't 
recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you find the 
right place.

Joel

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
All,
We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to a 
month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or 
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of 
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel a 
plus.

The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and 
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber 
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be less, 
though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making a longer 
trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to a rental car 
return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Brian


--
Joel

Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I don't know if Brian Fry is still on the list but he lives on his boat(S)
out of Havre De Grace.  It is a bit of a stretch up the river but I imagine
the slips are pretty cost effective.  I believe he's at Log Pond IIRC?
It's a marina tied to condos.  Marine services are not their  bread and
butter so if you're looking for full service you should probably look
elsewhere but the floating docks and break wall are certainly nice enough
to store a boat for a month.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, May 26, 2022, 10:19 Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Brian,
>
> I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but
> a much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several
> marinas just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if
> they have space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I
> can't recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you
> find the right place.
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks
>> to a month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips
>> or moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need
>> lots of amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out,
>> clean fuel a plus.
>>
>>
>>
>> The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC
>> and western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or
>> Uber back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port
>> Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be
>> less, though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making
>> a longer trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to
>> a rental car return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian
>>
>
>
> --
> Joel
>
>

Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[nausetbeach--- via CnC-List]

Thanks Joel.  Will look into both areas.  Am currently looking at Dockwa.  
Getting the Waterway Guide is on the list. 

 

Thanks,

Brian

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:19 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

Brian,

 

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several marinas 
just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if they have 
space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I can't 
recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you find the 
right place.

 

Joel

 

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

All, 

We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to a 
month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or 
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of 
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel a 
plus.  

 

The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and 
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber 
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be less, 
though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making a longer 
trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to a rental car 
return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.  

 

Any suggestions?  

 

Thanks,

Brian




 

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Joel 

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Can you let me know your LOA and draft?

Thanks

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:32 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

The moorings in Annapolis are not intended for storage of unoccupied boats, the 
harbormaster will have a fit if they figure out you are not there. Also $35/day 
can add up.

My marina on the north side of Kent Island is usually quite a bit cheaper than 
Annapolis, if you come here you’ll be the 3rd lister in the marina. I’ll check 
the rates for a month. We have water, fuel, a pool, pumpout, and a hot tub.

 

Joe 

Coquina

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:19 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

 

Brian,

 

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several marinas 
just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if they have 
space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I can't 
recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you find the 
right place.

 

Joel

 

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

All, 

We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to a 
month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or 
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of 
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel a 
plus.  

 

The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and 
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber 
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be less, 
though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making a longer 
trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to a rental car 
return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.  

 

Any suggestions?  

 

Thanks,

Brian




 

-- 

Joel 

Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The moorings in Annapolis are not intended for storage of unoccupied boats, the 
harbormaster will have a fit if they figure out you are not there. Also $35/day 
can add up.
My marina on the north side of Kent Island is usually quite a bit cheaper than 
Annapolis, if you come here you’ll be the 3rd lister in the marina. I’ll check 
the rates for a month. We have water, fuel, a pool, pumpout, and a hot tub.

Joe
Coquina

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:19 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

Brian,

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a 
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several marinas 
just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if they have 
space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I can't 
recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you find the 
right place.

Joel

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
All,
We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to a 
month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or 
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of 
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel a 
plus.

The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and 
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber 
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port 
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be less, 
though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making a longer 
trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to a rental car 
return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Brian


--
Joel

Stus-List Re: Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Brian,

I don't know how long you can leave a boat on a mooring in Annapolis, but a
much cheaper option.  Check with the harbormaster.  There are several
marinas just north of Annapolis in Whitehall Bay that will be cheaper if
they have space.  Or you can move north to the Magothy or Middle River.  I
can't recommend specific marinas, but the Waterway Guide should help you
find the right place.

Joel

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:12 AM nausetbeach--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks
> to a month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips
> or moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need
> lots of amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out,
> clean fuel a plus.
>
>
>
> The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC
> and western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or
> Uber back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin’s and Port
> Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be
> less, though maybe not.  Harge’s or Herrington Harbor North would be making
> a longer trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to
> a rental car return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>


-- 
Joel

Stus-List Marinas - Northern Chesapeake

[nausetbeach--- via CnC-List]

All, 

We may need to leave a boat in the northern Chesapeake for a couple weeks to
a month this July.  Can anybody recommend a marina with available slips or
moorings that might not break the bank for a transient?  Do not need lots of
amenities and services [at least hope not.]  Water and pump out, clean fuel
a plus.  

 

The plan would be to eventually head north through the C and on to NYC and
western LIS.  Would also need to return a rental car and then a taxi or Uber
back to the yard prior to departing.  Have looked at Jabin's and Port
Annapolis, but might guess some other locations not in Annapolis might be
less, though maybe not.  Harge's or Herrington Harbor North would be making
a longer trip for the delivery, and do not appear to be relatively close to
a rental car return, though maybe taxis / Uber might not be too bad.  

 

Any suggestions?  

 

Thanks,

Brian