Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Hey Chuck,

I paid ~$2K for a new Genoa a year ago.  Sailmaker is Hyde (I also have a Hyde 
main, ~3 years old).  It’s a basic Dacron sail, designed for furling, with UV 
strip.  I chose a weight good to 20 kts.  A local guy measured for it and 
ordered it for me.

Cheers,
Randy

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> On Mar 18, 2023, at 9:54 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so I 
> decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 
> for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing 
> horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can 
> be furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service 
> oriented, came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they 
> took time to evaluate my sails and offer options. 
> 
> Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.  
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Kevin Wright via CnC-List]

Hey Shawn,
Might be a bit of an optical illusion on the main sheet, boom is pushed out
for the solar, clearance is fine, boat has a traveler. No baby, inner
forestay or track on the foredeck. The line you're seeing is the
spinnaker halyard I think. Boat came with the davits, I think they are
rated for 300lbs. We have a highfield 310 with a 15h 4stroke, the only time
I put the dinghy on deck is in the winter before the boat gets wrapped,
lives on the davits the rest of the season.

*Kevin Wright*
Raven
1985 Landfall 43
Midland ON


On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright  wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. Raven looks great! How is the mainsheet clearance
> for the aft end of the enclosure? Looks like it might be close. Do you have
> a traveller or just two blocks for the mainsheet? It looks like you don't
> have the inner forestay, but do have a babystay? I notice most LF43s have a
> traveller track just forward of the mast, which I assume is for a self
> tacking staysail on a boom? I've only seen one fully rigged as a cutter
> with furling staysail, but am not sure how it's all rigged.
> Sounds like the lack of deck storage can be mitigated in a few ways, maybe
> with some of the storage across from the engine.
> I've been aboard a few CC boats (Hylas, Whitby, Moody, Taswell, Westerly)
> and of course the cockpit when enclosed is great, and the interiors are
> usually amazing, but I have never sailed one. I expect the
> improved visibility will be welcome. I was going to ask about your dinghy -
> are those storage hangers on the stern of Raven? Have you stored it on the
> foredeck before?
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
>
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the feedback. Raven looks great! How is the mainsheet clearance
for the aft end of the enclosure? Looks like it might be close. Do you have
a traveller or just two blocks for the mainsheet? It looks like you don't
have the inner forestay, but do have a babystay? I notice most LF43s have a
traveller track just forward of the mast, which I assume is for a self
tacking staysail on a boom? I've only seen one fully rigged as a cutter
with furling staysail, but am not sure how it's all rigged.
Sounds like the lack of deck storage can be mitigated in a few ways, maybe
with some of the storage across from the engine.
I've been aboard a few CC boats (Hylas, Whitby, Moody, Taswell, Westerly)
and of course the cockpit when enclosed is great, and the interiors are
usually amazing, but I have never sailed one. I expect the
improved visibility will be welcome. I was going to ask about your dinghy -
are those storage hangers on the stern of Raven? Have you stored it on the
foredeck before?

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 4:25 PM Kevin Wright  wrote:

> Hi Shawn,
> I had an Olson 30 I raced on lake Ontario, the Landfall is not that. It
> sails well for being a 43' cruising boat (modified fin, short rig). To
> be honest, I don't pay too much attention to how fast we're going and how
> much wind there is. When there's wind we sail, when we drop below 2 knots
> we fire up the engine and get to where we want to be. All that being said,
> it's a great boat. Maybe someone else can chime in here with better info.
>
> As for deck storage it has the 2 aft deck lockers, one is for a 20lb
> propane tank (Fits snug) the starboard side is more than twice as big, we
> store a second tank and flippers and masks etc. There's a line locker on
> the port side next to the cockpit, we keep all our dock lines and a 10L
> jerry can and has room for 2 small bags of garbage. The boat has no place
> to store sails, when we go on vacation we store the kite in the shower with
> the extra beer. The anchor locker is big, on top of the chain and rode for
> the 2 anchors we keep the portable generator there with lots of room to
> spare.
>
> I find the cockpit to be plenty big and comfortable, no complaints. All
> center cockpits are not easy to get in and out of if they have an
> enclosure, probably one of the reasons why the backrest are the
> height they are. We have a full enclosure at one height (see link below)
> like having an extra living room in all weather.  I upgraded to a folding
> 40" wheel, which makes it feel a bit more racy :)
>
> I looked at the boat on FB, ours is set up a bit differently. Where the FB
> boat has the captain's birth we have workbench and shelves. Below that is
> lots of storage.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h1kn0cmw1nk3aqo/20220815.jpg?dl=0
>
> *Kevin Wright*
> Raven
> 1985 Landfall 43
> Midland ON
>
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Dave,

Yes, I have spent far too much time thinking about and looking at boats,
and it gets exhausting. I have looked at a few Whitbys, and while they are
comfortable, look ok, and have a nice layout, the full keel is a turn off
for me, and I find their fit and finish pretty mediocre inside. The later
Brewer 44 is a much nicer boat, but way too expensive. We have widened the
search to pretty much all of North America, as although BC has lots of
boats, few are for sale, and the prices are much higher.

Although travelling to buy a boat could be a real pain, if there is a
savings and the boat is right for us, we may have to do it. It will be made
easier if the boat is near cruise ready condition of course. The Landfall
43 we're looking at is currently cruising, but I am beginning to have my
doubts about the experience of the young couple, as some of their answers
indicate a lack of knowledge or concern for things like rig, chainplates,
and water leaks. They also tore out the stock fridge/freezer and installed
a Novacool front load fridge, which seems really awkward, and not a
suitable move for long range cruising. My guess is they bought the boat
cheap to go cruising with their young family, and didn't consider it a long
term purchase.

What kind of sailing do you plan for your Ovni? I've only seen one, but
they seem like really nice boats.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 4:22 PM Dave S  wrote:

> Interesting and you’ve obviously thought it through.   Great fun looking
> and pondering.  I do struggle with the ‘80s centre cockpit types, for
> reasons I mentioned,  despite feeling otherwise at one point.  (And really
> wanting to love and buy an amel super maramu before locking in on the
> OVNI).There are whitby 42s around here among others that come up from
> time to time, they seem like real bargains for someone looking at that
> range/type.
> I was in Kingston once and a c 44 pulled in, single handed by a super
> nice older-than-me guy.  Boat totally equipped for offshore which the owner
> intimated might never happen.   no expense spared, which at first impressed
> me then I thought about why the various compromises may not work very well.
>But…. With all that gear removed- breathtaking lines.RIP Rob Ball.
> I was tempted by a landfall 48 at one point, was in the yard here (whitby
> ON) for a long time before it sold.  Deep draft, which around here can be
> an issue.   Seemed like a lot of boat for the money, though of course
> there’s no such thing as a cheap boat.
> Offshore boats are thin on the ground around here and even in Nova Scotia
> where I had a place and where my dad lives.   I actually spent time in
> Brittany boat shopping as a result.  Incredible.   As hockey is to canada,
> sailing is to France.
> Should be no shortage of boats in your neck of the woods though, Happy
> hunting.
>
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Stus-List Re: Landfall 43 opinions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I have, they are not too common, and usually well out of our price range.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 5:49 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Looked at a Caliber 40 LRC?
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[cenelson--- via CnC-List]

I have always had a sailmaker/salesperson measure my boat for any sail—whether 
national (Hood, North) or local. Given the sail costs for my 36 XL and the 
limited number of hulls made, I didn’t trust myself to make the measurements or 
to rely on some sail database.
For my latest 3Di 155%, the North rep spent a couple of hours measuring, 
including the slight curvature of my Genoa tracks as they move aft, following 
the curve of the cabin.Not a DIY project for me.
Since the sail has its curvatures built in from the 3d mold, its shape really 
cannot be adjusted. 
When delivered and hoisted , it fit perfectly, including the spreader and 
stanchion patches and most importantly, to my amateur eyes, it has a perfect 
shape.

My hope is that between the medium weight (true winds 15-20) and the sail 
material itself it will outlast my ability to race with it—or at least longer 
than it’s 3DL predecessor!
Charlie NelsonWater PhantomC 36 XL/kcb

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On Saturday, March 18, 2023, 11:37 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Anywhere from $850 to $2500 for a cruising (inshore) Dacron furling 135% genoa 
for my Catalina 270 (summer 2022).
 
  
 
You have to shop around (get quotes) and insist on comparing oranges to oranges.
 
  
 
I had very good experience with a small sail loft round Buffalo and with an 
offshore company; both in the lower range of prices. Some larger companies 
offered to send a rep to the boat, but this added a substantial premium and did 
not seem to offer too much benefit.
 
  
 
Marek
 
  
 
1994 C270 ”Legato”
 
Ottawa, ON
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2023 9:55 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Sail costs
 
  
 
Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer, so I 
decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired my #2 for 
$700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are removing horizontal 
battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV, so it can be furled.  
I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they are service oriented, 
came out and measured my rig before I spent any money, and they took time to 
evaluate my sails and offer options. 
 
  
 
Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs. 
 
  
 
Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
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Stus-List catching a drone on Malizia

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey Tom,
They must have heard you. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPUCNK2Q5fU

C

> On 03/18/2023 6:07 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I wish they had shown the catch...
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
> 
> > > On Mar 18, 2023, at 2:22 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > That is freaking incredible.  My resistance to purchasing 
> a drone is waning.
> > 
> > Bill Coleman
> > Erie PA
> > 
> > On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 3:05 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Hi,
> > > I've been following the IMOCA foilers every day. The coverage 
> > > has been spectaculare because each boat has a photo/journalist aboard to 
> > > cover the experience in video.  My favorite is Malizia with Boris 
> > > Herrmann.  The recent drone footage has been amazing of cruising at 25 to 
> > > 29knots boatspeed, nobody touching a sheet. 
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SZgT-FwyU0
> > > 
> > > I also follow the GGR race, where the sailors are sailing 
> > > solo around the world, in older 35 footers without GPS or any computers.  
> > > A woman named Kirsten is leading as they have rounded the Horn and 
> > > approach the equator headed back to the finish in France.
> > > 
> > > Chuck S
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > > > On 03/18/2023 2:04 PM Dennis C. 
> > > via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > After racing for 20+ days, the 4 boats are within 20 nm 
> > > > of each other.
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.theoceanrace.com/en/racing/tracker
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Dennis C.
> > > > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > > > Mandeville, LA
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> > > > 
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> > > 
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Stus-List Re: Sail costs

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

For my 30 mk 1  for genua 145% plus the main was 6500$ in Dacron
Precision was a little cheaper just love it to have local if my sails
didn’t fit properly
Chuck Bacon sails has lots of variety of good sails
Port Townsend sails seem to do awesome work


On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 11:37 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Anywhere from $850 to $2500 for a cruising (inshore) Dacron furling 135%
> genoa for my Catalina 270 (summer 2022).
>
>
>
> You have to shop around (get quotes) and insist on comparing oranges to
> oranges.
>
>
>
> I had very good experience with a small sail loft round Buffalo and with
> an offshore company; both in the lower range of prices. Some larger
> companies offered to send a rep to the boat, but this added a substantial
> premium and did not seem to offer too much benefit.
>
>
>
> Marek
>
>
>
> 1994 C270 ”Legato”
>
> Ottawa, ON
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 18, 2023 9:55 AM
> *To:* CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
> *Cc:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Sail costs
>
>
>
> Sail costs:  A new light air genoa was quoted at $5200 for my 36 footer,
> so I decided instead to have repairs made to my old sails.   They repaired
> my #2 for $700.  They will alter my #3 for a little more.  They are
> removing horizontal battens and installing vertical battens, and adding UV,
> so it can be furled.  I've chosen to use Chesapeake Sailmakers because they
> are service oriented, came out and measured my rig before I spent any
> money, and they took time to evaluate my sails and offer options.
>
>
>
> Wonder what others are paying for new sails and/or repairs.
>
>
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Annapolis
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
> Stu

-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *
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