Stus-List Problem with Bilge Pump

[Al Serrato via CnC-List]

I've been using a Jabsco diaphragm bilge pump located in the starboard cockpit 
locker/engine compartment for many years without any problems. The hose from 
the pump has a vented loop and exits at the stern.
Recently, I noticed that while the pump was functioning apparently normally, no 
water was coming out at the stern. I removed the exit hose from the pump while 
it was operating and within a few seconds I had water pumping out of the pump. 
I replaced the hose and the water continued to pump out of the stern as it 
normally should.
However, when I went back to the boat a few days later, the same problem was 
occurring. It looks like the pump is working normally but unless I pull the 
exit hose off the pump, it continues to run with no water actually pumping. The 
suction element in the bilge in clean and unobstructed
Any suggestions as to how to diagnose this would be much appreciated. I'm 
wondering if I'm just not getting sufficient pressure from the pump to overcome 
the vented loop, maybe due to gaskets that need to be replaced? The pump is 
probably 5 or 6 years old at this point and I have never serviced it.  But when 
I removed the hose from the pump, it seemed to be coming out with quite a bit 
of pressure.
Thanks in advance.
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Stus-List Cockpit Floor Grating for a 34

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Hello all,
I'm thinking about adding a teak (or trex) cockpit grating to my 1981 C 34. 
Does anyone know where I could find a kit for assembly that would fit the 
contours of the cockpit? Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Stus-List Overheating Yanmar 3GMD

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I had an unusual experience yesterday and am looking for any ideas on next 
steps.

I have a Yanmar 3GMD in my ‘81 C 34. I had used the motor for about 20 
minutes going out with no problems, but after starting it in heavy winds, it 
rather quickly quit on me and would not start. I was heeling when I started it 
and the tank was half full, so I bled the line thinking that some air had 
gotten in, and it started right up. 

It ran for about 10 minutes and everything seemed normal although I thought it 
sounded a little different. I couldn’t put my finger on what it was that was 
different, and thought maybe it was my imagination but then the high temp alarm 
went off and the gauge showed probably around 180. (It normally runs at about 
130). I shut it down and ended up getting a tow back in. The raw water strainer 
was clean so I thought maybe the impeller might have failed, since it’s close 
to two years old. But when I opened the pump, it was fine. I replaced it with a 
new one anyway and ran the engine for 45 minutes today at the dock, under load, 
and it ran fine.

I always have white smoke coming out of the exhaust when I’m revving past 1800 
or so, but I don’t know if what I saw today was more than usual. The engine was 
clean, no drips or leaks, no smells inside, just the usual smoke from the 
exhaust.

I couldn’t figure out why both the fuel and the raw water, which seem 
unrelated, would both have problems at the same time, so I thought maybe it was 
a blown head gasket or something like that. I figured when I started it today, 
it would probably overheat right away again...but it didn’t. 

Any similar experiences or ideas on what it might be? I’ve got a call into the 
mechanic but haven’t heard back yet.

Thanks in advance.

Al Serrato
Senza Fine
San Francisco Bay


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Re: Stus-List Strap Hinge for Lazarette

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This is what I ended up ordering - 
GooMeng 6" x 1.2" 316 Stainless Steel Marine Boat Strap Hinges (1 Pair) - from 
Amazon.

I realized that I needed to search for 6 inch (total length) rather than 3 inch 
stainless steel boat strap hinges. This looks like it will be close enough if 
not an exact match. 

Thanks for the suggestions.

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> On Jun 2, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Can you share a photo of them? Probably different than those on my 35-2, but 
> I wouldn't mind replacing them with something a bit more robust. I have seen 
> mine under the Seadog name, and they are ok, but one is bent slightly, so 
> they could be a bit stronger. It probably doesn't help that the locker lids 
> don't fit all that well, so there is a lot of force on the hinges. I am 
> trying to determine how best to support the lids, instead of having them just 
> rest on the fiberglass. 
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 8:13 PM Al Serrato via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I'm looking for a replacement strap hinge for the lazarette in the cockpit 
>> of my 1981 C & C 34. I've looked online quite a bit but can't seem to find a 
>> match, even at South Shore Yachts.
>> 
>> The hinges are 3 inches on each side with 3 screw holes on each side.
>> 
>> Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I can find a replacement?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any advice/help.
>> 
>> Al Serrato
>> 1981 C & C 34 "Senza Fine"
>> San Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Strap Hinge for Lazarette

[Al Serrato via CnC-List]

I'm looking for a replacement strap hinge for the lazarette in the cockpit of 
my 1981 C & C 34. I've looked online quite a bit but can't seem to find a 
match, even at South Shore Yachts.
The hinges are 3 inches on each side with 3 screw holes on each side.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to where I can find a replacement?
Thanks in advance for any advice/help.
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Re: Stus-List 1981 C 34 second propane locker?

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I have the same boat and on mine, the locker has a hinge and I use it for extra 
lines/dock lines.

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> On May 24, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Ron Ricci via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Dennis,
>  
> If you are looking for backup propane storage, let me offer a suggestion.  I 
> only can carry one tank and have a 5 kg fiberglass tank.  Theoretically, you 
> can see the level in the tank but have to remember to check it.  There is 
> room in my propane locker for three 1 pound camp stove cylinders.  I bought 
> an adaptor 
> (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002YSY20/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1)
>  so a cylinder can be connected in place of the tank.  For me this is 
> especially good since my propane grille and outboard use the 1 pound cylinder.
>  
> Regards,
> Ron
> Ron Ricci
> S/V Patriot
> C 37+
> Bristol, RI
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> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of DMcMillan 
> via CnC-List
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> Subject: Stus-List 1981 C 34 second propane locker?
>  
> I have a 1981 C with a propane locker on starboard side next to the 
> helmsman seat.  On the port side there is an identical looking locker but the 
> “lid” does not have any hinges and seems to be glued down.   Has anyone 
> converted this to a second propane locker?
>  
> Thanks
> Dennis
> Andante
> Victoria BC
>  
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Stus-List Engine Temp Gauge Not Working

[Al Serrato via CnC-List]

I bought a 1981 34' with a 3GMD engine a few years ago. The temp warning buzzer 
works but the gauge has never worked, although it is in place and wired.
The Yanmar manual has a section on testing the buzzer sender unit, but I don't 
see anything about the location of the sender unit for the gauge or how to test 
it.
Looking for any advice on how to approach diagnosing the problem. Is it the 
same sender unit for both the buzzer and gauge? I haven't spent the time trying 
to trace all the wiring but was hoping to find something in the manual first 
about how the gauge is wired.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Al Serrato1981 C 34Senza FineSan Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Mast Gooseneck Fitting

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The metal gooseneck fitting on the mast of my '34 failed. It attaches to the 
mast via 4 screws on each side. One of the two metal loops that accepts the 
boom end broke off. I have only gotten one estimate so far based on the photo I 
sent to my usual boatyard, of $1100, to remove, fabricate and replace. I'm 
waiting to hear back from some rig shops. I haven't tried to remove the piece 
myself but am guessing I won't be able to with hand tools, and I'm worried 
about stripping the screw heads.

Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to repair/replace without spending so 
much? Is there a market out there for used pieces like this? Any help would be 
appreciated.

Al Serrato
Senza Fine 
1981 '34
San Francisco Bay

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Stus-List A leak in the water system

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I noticed recently that my water system has a leak in it somewhere. I don't use 
internal water too often, so I'm not sure when or how it started. When I went 
to fill the tank yesterday, I noticed that the water level dropped quickly in 
the tube and I started getting water in the bilge. I was short on time, so I 
didn't have a chance to try to find the source of the problem.

Just thought I'd start by asking whether there's a usual culprit when this 
occurs - a place to check first - and if any one has suggestions as to how best 
to diagnose where the leak is coming from. I imagine that some of the water 
lines might be hard to see or access, and I'm not quite sure where to start.

Thanks in advance for any advice/help.

Al Serrato
1981 C & C 34 "Senza Fine"
San Francisco Bay


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Re: Stus-List Cost to recover cushions - ouch

[Al Serrato via CnC-List]

I'm in the San Francisco Bay area and I'm having all the cushions re-covered in 
Sunbrella material at a local shop for $2,600. I got a list of upholsterers 
from a shop that sells foam and after calling around found a place that was 
about $2000 less than all the other estimates. The only drawback is I'm waiting 
about three months for the fist half of the cushions to be done.

Al
1981 34 

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> On Dec 18, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Nate Personal via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fleabay for good upholstery fabrics. None marine upholstery shop after that. 
> $100 per cushion not incl $75 total fabric cost covering all 14 new cushions. 
> New foam and batting included. Happy 6 years later
> 
> Nate
> 1980 30-1
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:26, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sunbrella is pretty pricey.  Look at fabrics for patio furniture.  Most are 
>> a fraction of the cost of Sunbrella.  Heck, even Home Depot sells outdoor 
>> fabrics.
>> 
>> Guess I'm lucky, Touche's cushions are in decent shape.  However the pattern 
>> is definitely 70's retro.  Who knows, in another 40 years it might be back 
>> in style.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Joel,
>>> 
>>> I'm curious as to why you spec'd Sunbrella? It's forte is colour-fast after 
>>> years of sun exposure and it's not the most comfortable fabric to sit on.
>>> 
>>> I suggest talking about proper upholstery fabric when dealing with your 
>>> supplier.
>>> 
>>> My saloon is done in leather but that might not be the best for your style.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Russ
>>> Sweet 35 mk-1
>>> 
>>> At 12:07 PM 17/12/2015, you wrote:
 All,
 
 Just got a quote to have the cushions in the main salon - U shaped dinette 
 and straight berth with back cushions- recovered in Sunbrella.​  
 Estimate was at least $2200 depending on fabric/extras.  Is that a 
 reasonable price?  Is there any good way to DIY if you don't sew?
 
 
 Joel 
 35/3
 Annapolis
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Stus-List Engine Overheat Question

[Al Serrato via CnC-List]

I'm looking for advice on a situation that arose yesterday. I have a 34 with a 
3GMD diesel with raw water cooling. I motored for about 45 minutes at 2000 rpm 
and then shut the engine down. Everything was running smoothly. The temp gauge 
showed the normal 100 degrees and I could hear water from the exhaust. I sailed 
for about half hour but then lost the wind and turned the motor on. The high 
temp alarm stayed on and the gauge showed 140 degrees.  I shut it down and 
checked the water filter, which looked fine. I tried starting it a couple more 
times with the same result, so I sailed back to my harbor. When I went to start 
it, everything worked fine again, and I ran the motor for a good 30 minutes 
with no issues. The gauge stayed at 100 the whole time and no alarm.

I initially thought it might have been the impeller (which is about 1.5 years 
old right now), but when the problem arose I didn't check for the sound of 
exhaust water. Since it was working back at the harbor, I don't think the 
impeller was bad. I'm starting to think that the sending unit malfunctioned and 
then reset itself somehow but that's never happened before. 

I'm not sure what temp triggers the high temp alarm and whether the same 
sending unit goes to both the alarm and the gauge.

Am I missing something obvious? 
Were there other steps I should have taken to diagnose it? I was of course 
concerned to run the engine for long if it was overheating.
What next steps should I take, since everything seems fine right now.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Al Serrato
C & C 34
Fidelity
San Francisco Bay
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Stus-List Interior Cushions

[Al Serrato via CnC-List]

I have a 1981 C & C '34 with original cushions. I recently got an estimate from 
a local marine canvas shop for replacement of all the fabric (retaining the 
original foam) using the lowest cost sunbrella material. I was surprised to see 
it was over $4000 for the job, and over $6000 to replace the foam as well.

I would appreciate any suggestions for alternative ways to go on upgrading the 
interior upholstery.

Thanks in advance.

Al Serrato
Fidelity 
San Francisco Bay

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

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I'm happy with the list as well.

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 On Mar 13, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
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 I would vote list. 
 
 
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 On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
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 I'm with Dennis ... Old and like email !
 
 Paul. :)
 
 
 On Mar 13, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
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 1)  I can set my email to thread view.  No advantage for me to go to forum.
 2) How mobile friendly would forum be?  I read a lot of the list mails on my 
 smartphone.
 
 I'm old and don't like change.  Slight preference to maintain current system.
 
 Dennis C.
 
 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 Recently, some of our subscribers have indicated that they would like to 
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 2. Follow a thread easier without having to read multiple emails.
 3. Easier to find past, archived messages and threads.
 4. Possible addition of public and private photo albums.
 5. Easily moderated by more than one person.  Threads can be deleted and 
 undesirable subscribers blocked.
 6. No more 20-30 emails a day.  Visit the site at your convenience and view 
 the latest topics since your last visit.
  
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 2. Might (???) require additional disk space and bandwidth on hosting site. 
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 3. Installation – I’ve done it before and it does take some time.  And a 
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 Bottom line – would you rather have a FORUM or continue using this list?  
 It does not matter to me.
  
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Stus-List Fresh water flush of engine

[Al Serrato via CnC-List]

I have a 1981 '34 with a Yanmar 3GMD engine with seawater cooling.  A mechanic 
recommended that I install a t-valve for the raw water intake so I can flush 
the engine with fresh water occasionally. The engine appears to be in good 
condition and runs well in the two years I have owned the boat but I suspect 
that it is the original, making it 33 years old.

While this makes sense, I'm wondering whether it's necessary at this point, 
given the age of the engine. in other words, is the damage already do 
Everything? Also, I'm wondering what the long term effect of seawater cooling 
is and what failures or problems result from the seawater over long periods of 
time. What is the likely useful life of a marine Yanmar diesel?

Thanks for any advice or suggestions.

Al Serrato
Fidelity
1981 C  C 34
San Francisco Bay 


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