Re: Stus-List manhole properly explain

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Russ is, indeed, a very funny fellow but he'd be a lot funnier if he was
stuck in one of those manholes

On 6 December 2016 at 14:04, John McKay via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I had a good laugh at that one!
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2016 9:55 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I'm glad you took this on the clarify manhole. I don't want guys at the
> boatyard to be getting the wrong idea. :)
>
>  Thanks again, Russ
>  Sweet 35 mk-1
>  Lunatic Fringe, B.C.
>
>
>
> At 03:25 PM 05/12/2016, you wrote:
>
> A "hand hole" is an inspection hole with a cover large enough to get a
> hand through. A "manhole" is larger allowing a man to get through.
>
> On December 5, 2016 at 2:08 PM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Inspection plate???
>
> *From:* David via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2016 11:54 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* David 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
>
> Errr...what is a "hand hole"?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> Date: 12/4/16 19:44 (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
>
> My holding tank is plastic but the hand hole came loose and was a
> considerable pain in the ass to fix.  The forward water tank in mine is
> aluminum and the fuel tank is aluminum.  The back stay attachments are a
> place for detailed inspection.  You'll probably find that the steering
> cable idlers plate, directly under the pedestal, is probably badly rusted.
> It should be one of the first safety repairs.  The engine mounts may be
> soft and in need of replacement too.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>  Wow!  We have a lot in common.  Last year I sold my 35 Mk II
> (Expresso) and bought my 37/40+.  I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better
> in almost every way.  The performance difference is breathtaking.  The boat
> I bought was in pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her.
> We renamed her "Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah.  The
> side windows are chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them
> have that problem, so you will probably have to deal with that.  If you
> are, at all handy, they are not that hard to fix.  I can give you a lot of
> advice in that area.  The holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the
> tank was installed before the interior was installed.  Repairing/replacing
> the tank is a big deal.  Of course, you should watch out for the usual
> punky cored deck.  Otherwise she is a good boat with minimal problems.
> Text me if you need specific advice.  There are a lot of 37/40+ owners on
> this forum and they have a lot of helpful knowledge.
>
> Good luck,
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
> ~~~_ /)~~
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big
> boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C
> 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever
> built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with
> C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should
> stick with C
>
> I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most
> everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco
> Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the
> Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic;
> doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron
> sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits,
> etc.). Could be a good platform to start with.
>
> For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close
> attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that
> could bite me.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Baldridge
> ~~_/)
> '75 C MKII "The Edge"
> Surf City, NC
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Re: Stus-List 35-1 refrigeration installed completed

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

I'm interested too, Dennis.  Soon to do the same exercise on Sea Mistress.

David
On 19 Apr 2016 23:40, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis — sign me up!
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I finished installing refrigeration (Isotherm 3701) on Touche' today.
> Cold beer!!!
>
> Took a bunch of pictures.  I can send link to any interested listers.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Extending our winter vacation

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

​Stu,

Sincerely sorry to hear about Gladys' misfortune.  Wishing you both the
best and hoping there is something positive that will eventuate from this.
Praying for rapid healing.

David Lenehan
(Down Under)​
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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

List,

As I understand it, the *primary* purpose of DSC is for rapid and accurate
communication of your ship's/boat's identity (the MMSI number) in a
distress, urgency or safety situation.  The initial burst of info from a
DSC enabled radio sends your MMSI number and, assuming you have the radio
connected to GPS, your last known position and the last time your GPS
logged it.  One is simply required to then standby on channel 16 or 4125
(or whatever in HF) and wait for the responses to your "Mayday" or "Pan
Pan" call or you broadcast your short Security announcement (or decalre a
change to a working channel for a longer announcement).

The authorities over here in Oz tell me that normal communication should be
done through the VHF or HF radios in the normal way.  Add, they advise that
the procedures I've outlined in a nutshel are now consistent across the
world - that would be a first!

David

On 16 January 2016 at 06:17, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Test transmissions on VHF DSC calling channel 70 should be made to another
> VHF DSC radio by using a routine individual call to their Maritime Mobile
> Service Identity (MMSI).
>
> For VHF DSC radios equipped with the Test Call feature, test transmissions
> should be made to the US Coast Guard MMSI 00366 to receive an automated
> VHF DSC test response. You must use the “Test Call” category of your radio
> because “Individual” category  calls to this address will not receive an
> automated response. For older radios not having a test call capability,
> testing can only be performed by using a routine individual call to their
> Maritime Mobile Service Indentity (MMSI).
>
>
> You can test DSC with a buddy. Do **not** send ALL SHIPS. Someone did
> that around here and generated a ton of radio traffic trying to figure out
> WTF was going on.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *bobmor99
> . via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 1:17 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* bobmor99 . 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Testing DSC
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the replies.
>
> I am aware of the need to get an MMSI number and will be starting that
> process shortly.
>
> I'm uncertain at this time whether to get the quick and free BoatUS MMSI
> number or to go the slow, federal, not-free route - which would mean the
> DSC stuff could be used in non-US waters. (That's just a choice for US
> boaters and I'll bring it (BoatUS vs. federal  issued MMSI) up as a
> separate Stu's List topic.)
>
>
>
> I was more interested in testing the built-in AIS and DSC functions of the
> radio. Supposedly, if an AIS target was displayed on the radio's small
> display, I could select it and start communicating with it digitally on
> channel 70 and audibly on channel 16(?).
>
>
>
> But I don't want to somehow accidentally give anyone the erroneous
> impression that I'm in distress.
>
>
>
> I'm also wondering if anyone has tested the "All Ships" DSC distress
> signal just to verify that it's working.
>
>
>
> --Bob M
>
> Ox 1976 33-1
>
> Jax, FL
>
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Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

That's just my point, Bob.  The way someone was treated last week or even
yesterday can alter and it's too subjective to be accurate.  "Word on the
street" is not the law.  It's not even an guide to what to expect.  It's
hearsay.  And that's from someone who occasionally delights in pushing the
limits with officials.

A new supervisor at the border might get a bee in his bonnet about just
this matter (ship's licences and operator's certificates are international
requirements) and, while you would have been okay yesterday, today you are
screwed.  I've seen it happen where someone asked advice of a friend who
had been to Australia less than a week before and paid some serious
consequences for disobeying the law upon entry.  He copped a heavy fine and
was deported.  Customs officers often have blitzes about various things as
do Immigration officials.  And, if they catch you out in one misdemeanour,
they usually go looking for more and much more carefully than they might
otherwise.

Why not just do what is required?  It *is* the right thing to do.

I've said enough,
David

On 16 January 2016 at 15:07, bobmor99 . via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Hi David,
> FWIW, I've lived abroad and I suppose, was more looking for the "word on
> the street" with respect to the way things actually work with respect to
> the origin of one's MMSI.
> Cheers,
> --Bob M
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 10:54 PM, David Lenehan via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> No one can give you a definitie answer about how you will be treated upon
>> arrival in any port anywhere in the world.  It can and does vary.
>>
>> Having dealt with bureaucracies for what seems like forever, the official
>> answer you will get is simple:  "You must comply with the law when you
>> visit the Bahamas."  It's the same in any country.  How that is enforced is
>> often up to the individual official - some are tougher than others; some
>> have their favourite areas to look for, and; some are outright pigs.
>>
>> When I was at school, I was one of the physically big and capable kids.
>> It was a policy to avoid the bullies who I stood up to and I was left alone
>> by them.  Occasionally I got asked to help out some kid who was being
>> picked on.  My advice was usually the same:  "Why go where you know they'll
>> be and get targetted?  Don't give them a reason or opportunity to bully
>> you."
>>
>> The same advice applies here regardless of how the last skipper you spoke
>> to was treated in Nassau, Buenos Aires or Port Vila.  Be suitably informed
>> and obey their laws.  It's not that difficult even if it costs a little
>> more in the short term.  It may save you big time on arrival.
>>
>> Hope that helps
>> David
>>
>> On 16 January 2016 at 14:28, bobmor99 . via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Rick for your detailed reply.
>>> I think my question still boils down to whether a DSC All Ships Distress
>>> Alert sent e.g. from Bahamian waters from a radio with a BoatUS-issued MMSI
>>> would be treated equally as a boat with a (U.S.) federally issued MMSI.
>>> --Bob M
>>> Ox 33-1
>>> Jax, FL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The basic difference between an MMSI issued by Boat/US and one from the
>>>> FCC is the availability of the data to search and rescue agencies. Boat/US
>>>> share the database of boat description, emergency contacts, persons on
>>>> board, cell phones aboard, etc. with the USCG. So if you make a distress
>>>> call in US waters (or within range of the USCG) they look up your boat
>>>> information, call your home and emergency contacts to make sure it is not a
>>>> false alarm, call you back on the radio to identify your emergency and
>>>> start the SAR process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are out of the area covered by USCG, the SAR agency that gets
>>>> your DSC mayday call gets your MMSI and position, but does not have access
>>>> to the other information you submit with your application. They know you’re
>>>> out there, but they don’t know who they are looking for or what resources
>>>> they might need. That could potentially impede the search. Also, the
>>>> majority of mayday calls received by the USCG are false alarms or hoaxes.
>>>> Not to disparage any 3rd world SAR agencies or imply that the response
>

Re: Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Bob,

No one can give you a definitie answer about how you will be treated upon
arrival in any port anywhere in the world.  It can and does vary.

Having dealt with bureaucracies for what seems like forever, the official
answer you will get is simple:  "You must comply with the law when you
visit the Bahamas."  It's the same in any country.  How that is enforced is
often up to the individual official - some are tougher than others; some
have their favourite areas to look for, and; some are outright pigs.

When I was at school, I was one of the physically big and capable kids.  It
was a policy to avoid the bullies who I stood up to and I was left alone by
them.  Occasionally I got asked to help out some kid who was being picked
on.  My advice was usually the same:  "Why go where you know they'll be and
get targetted?  Don't give them a reason or opportunity to bully you."

The same advice applies here regardless of how the last skipper you spoke
to was treated in Nassau, Buenos Aires or Port Vila.  Be suitably informed
and obey their laws.  It's not that difficult even if it costs a little
more in the short term.  It may save you big time on arrival.

Hope that helps
David

On 16 January 2016 at 14:28, bobmor99 . via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thank you Rick for your detailed reply.
> I think my question still boils down to whether a DSC All Ships Distress
> Alert sent e.g. from Bahamian waters from a radio with a BoatUS-issued MMSI
> would be treated equally as a boat with a (U.S.) federally issued MMSI.
> --Bob M
> Ox 33-1
> Jax, FL
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The basic difference between an MMSI issued by Boat/US and one from the
>> FCC is the availability of the data to search and rescue agencies. Boat/US
>> share the database of boat description, emergency contacts, persons on
>> board, cell phones aboard, etc. with the USCG. So if you make a distress
>> call in US waters (or within range of the USCG) they look up your boat
>> information, call your home and emergency contacts to make sure it is not a
>> false alarm, call you back on the radio to identify your emergency and
>> start the SAR process.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are out of the area covered by USCG, the SAR agency that gets your
>> DSC mayday call gets your MMSI and position, but does not have access to
>> the other information you submit with your application. They know you’re
>> out there, but they don’t know who they are looking for or what resources
>> they might need. That could potentially impede the search. Also, the
>> majority of mayday calls received by the USCG are false alarms or hoaxes.
>> Not to disparage any 3rd world SAR agencies or imply that the response
>> to a call will be less than efficient, but can’t you imagine the following:
>> “Hey, jefe, there is some bozo sending a distress call, but I can’t tell
>> who or what they are.” “Damn. There’s a storm out there and it’s probably a
>> false alarm anyway. Send out Pablo in the morning to see if he can see
>> what’s up.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Information associated with an MMSI issued by the FCC is shared not just
>> with the USCG, but also internationally.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are going to be out of US territorial waters you are legally
>> supposed to have a Ship’s Station License issued by the FCC. Getting the
>> license usually includes the MMSI number. You also need a Ship Station
>> License if you are operating other equipment like AIS, radar, SSB or other
>> HF radio, or an EPIRB.  Boat/US says Canada does not enforce the licensing
>> requirement. Don’t know whether it comes up when entering other countries,
>> but not having all the appropriate paperwork and licenses when clearing
>> into a country might be a cause for hassles, fees, and delays.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *bobmor99
>> . via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 6:44 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* bobmor99 . 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List MMSI Number Assigning Authority (USA and Canada)
>>
>>
>>
>> Just read the nice BoatUS MMSI FAQ.
>> https://www.boatus.com/mmsi/faq.asp
>>
>> As I understand it, both Canadian and US boaters have a choice for
>> quick-easy-free MMSI number assignment (by Industry Canada or BoatUS) or a
>> slower, not-free gov't issued MMSI number (which ends in a zero).
>>
>> Non-gov't issued MMSI numbers are only for use in Canadian or US waters.
>>
>> What would be the ramifications if I issued a DSC distress call from a
>> radio with a BoatUS-supplied MMSI in, e.g., Bahamian waters?
>>
>> Would it go unnoticed? Would I be fined? Sorry to sound like a scofflaw,
>> just trying to understand how the system works.
>>
>> Bob M
>>
>> Ox 33-1
>>
>> Jax, FL
>>
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Re: Stus-List Testing DSC

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Russ,

Just by way of clarification, I think you'll find that Bob is asking about
the DSC only function.  Channel 70 is not a voice channel.

David
(Who will have the same problem soon way over here)

On 15 January 2016 at 13:12, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Bob,
>
> the simple function is just like any ol' radio, after it's hooked up, just
> press play and talk.
>
> All the fancy stuff needs programming/key functions to screw it up. I
> haven't configured my SH yet, too busy. :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
> At 06:04 PM 14/01/2016, you wrote:
>
> Today I received my first grown-up radio, a Standard Horizon GX2200.
> DSC looks like a very nice technology but I am wondering how to test/learn
> it without triggering a bunch of false alarms or general chaos.
> I'm docked in a backwater, but there is occasional barge traffic that
> probably has AIS transmitters.
> I'd like to verify that my new radio can easily communicate (via channel
> 70?) with the barges as they pass by.
> Maybe I need to read the fine manual again but am wondering if anyone else
> has done this exercise and if there are any tips or gotchas.
> Many thanks in advance,
> --Bob M
> Ox 33-1
> Jax, FL
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine e-Series Chartplotters/MFDs

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Edd,

The 9" screen in the eS Series is dearer than the 7" screen but still worth
looking at for the reasons given by Fred.  I'm going with the 7" version as
I set up "Sea Mistress" from scratch with a fully integrated Raymarine
system.  Looked seriously at the 9" but I found the 7" screen to be more
than acceptable - same size as my Samsung phone which I have no trouble
reading.

Hope that helps
David

On 12 January 2016 at 08:46, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Fred,
>
> I do want the 9-inch screen (at least).
>
> There are so many different models — is there a guide somewhere which
> tells people what system has what?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Edd — if you’re looking at the e Series, for about the same $$$ in the
> smaller display sizes I’d recommend looking at the newer eS Series.  It’s a
> more powerful and newer version of the e Series, with the same Hybrid Touch
> interface.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Jan 11, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> So I was at the NY Boat Show this past weekend and took a good look at the
> Raymarine e-Series (specifically the e9 one). Built-in GPS and data display
> of other information hooked up to the system (including my new Raymarine
> EV200 autopilot.)
>
> Does anyone have one? Pros? Cons? The price seems very low given all it
> does, especially compared to the cost of my current Garmin GPSMap2006C.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Russ,

You forgot the hangman's rope for mutinous crew and deserters.

On 8 January 2016 at 14:50, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> I've got rope on my sailboat, it's not all just a line.
>
> There's the bellrope, boltrope and a spool of rope that hasn't been set a
> purpose yet.  And there is also rope that is sheet, guy, halyard,
> barber-hauler, rode, etc.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
> At 01:52 PM 07/01/2016, you wrote:
>
> I have already been, done that (at APS).  Thanks anyway!  It is rope
> before it gets on a sailboat--then its line.
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
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> *Line*, please!
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Re: Stus-List Sydney Hobart Race

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As I head to bed, the count of retirees stands at 29.  Conditions have
eased considerably with some on the handicap contenders making better time
than the leaders.

On 27 December 2015 at 18:46, David Lenehan <aktau.da...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This time, as I see it, it hasn't been too bad though clearly
> uncomfortable.  Wild Oats XI lost her main in 40 knots of wind.  It's been
> much, much worse.  In the 1984 race, 104 retired out of 150 starters.  THAT
> was brutal.  We got knocked down three times.
>
> On 27 December 2015 at 16:09, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> 23 retirements and counting. Brutal.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 26, 2015, David Lenehan via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just got an update - there are now 15 retirements.
>>>
>>> David Lenehan
>>> "Sea Mistress" - Adams 40
>>>
>>> On 27 December 2015 at 08:31, David Lenehan <aktau.da...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dennis,
>>>>
>>>> Having done a few of these, I can assure you that it's a wild ride most
>>>> years.  It's just that some are far worse.  There's a lot of emphasis on
>>>> how bad 1998 was (six sailors died) but, frankly, I think 1984 was worse.
>>>> The really bad years come around about every seven years.  Sometimes eight,
>>>> sometimes six but seven year cycles are the norm.  And it's no fun on the
>>>> serious contenders.  Every second is vital for those guys and for some
>>>> there are millions of dollars involved.  Personally, I'm pleased I gave it
>>>> away after five races (including 1984).
>>>>
>>>> I do agree that it's quite a spectacle.  Yesterday afternoon the
>>>> supermaxis were making 22 knots under spinnaker.  Then the southerly hit.
>>>> At this point it appears that 10 boats (out of 108) have officially retired
>>>> (lots of broken rudders) while a couple of others are trying to make
>>>> repairs so they can continue.  The (line honours) leaders are currently
>>>> beating into a southerly and are just entering Bass Strait.
>>>>
>>>> Haven't seen any video since about dusk last night.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that update helps,
>>>>
>>>> David Lenehan
>>>> "Sea Mistress" - Adams 40
>>>>
>>>> On 27 December 2015 at 04:32, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looks like another wild one.  Gale force winds, broken rudders, ripped
>>>>> sails, retirements from couple of the Maxis.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/tracker/
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis C.
>>>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>>>> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Sydney Hobart Race

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Hi Dennis,

Having done a few of these, I can assure you that it's a wild ride most
years.  It's just that some are far worse.  There's a lot of emphasis on
how bad 1998 was (six sailors died) but, frankly, I think 1984 was worse.
The really bad years come around about every seven years.  Sometimes eight,
sometimes six but seven year cycles are the norm.  And it's no fun on the
serious contenders.  Every second is vital for those guys and for some
there are millions of dollars involved.  Personally, I'm pleased I gave it
away after five races (including 1984).

I do agree that it's quite a spectacle.  Yesterday afternoon the supermaxis
were making 22 knots under spinnaker.  Then the southerly hit.  At this
point it appears that 10 boats (out of 108) have officially retired (lots
of broken rudders) while a couple of others are trying to make repairs so
they can continue.  The (line honours) leaders are currently beating into a
southerly and are just entering Bass Strait.

Haven't seen any video since about dusk last night.

Hope that update helps,

David Lenehan
"Sea Mistress" - Adams 40

On 27 December 2015 at 04:32, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
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> Looks like another wild one.  Gale force winds, broken rudders, ripped
> sails, retirements from couple of the Maxis.
>
> http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/tracker/
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Sydney Hobart Race

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Just got an update - there are now 15 retirements.

David Lenehan
"Sea Mistress" - Adams 40

On 27 December 2015 at 08:31, David Lenehan  wrote:

> Hi Dennis,
>
> Having done a few of these, I can assure you that it's a wild ride most
> years.  It's just that some are far worse.  There's a lot of emphasis on
> how bad 1998 was (six sailors died) but, frankly, I think 1984 was worse.
> The really bad years come around about every seven years.  Sometimes eight,
> sometimes six but seven year cycles are the norm.  And it's no fun on the
> serious contenders.  Every second is vital for those guys and for some
> there are millions of dollars involved.  Personally, I'm pleased I gave it
> away after five races (including 1984).
>
> I do agree that it's quite a spectacle.  Yesterday afternoon the
> supermaxis were making 22 knots under spinnaker.  Then the southerly hit.
> At this point it appears that 10 boats (out of 108) have officially retired
> (lots of broken rudders) while a couple of others are trying to make
> repairs so they can continue.  The (line honours) leaders are currently
> beating into a southerly and are just entering Bass Strait.
>
> Haven't seen any video since about dusk last night.
>
> Hope that update helps,
>
> David Lenehan
> "Sea Mistress" - Adams 40
>
> On 27 December 2015 at 04:32, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like another wild one.  Gale force winds, broken rudders, ripped
>> sails, retirements from couple of the Maxis.
>>
>> http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/tracker/
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Sydney Hobart Race

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

This time, as I see it, it hasn't been too bad though clearly
uncomfortable.  Wild Oats XI lost her main in 40 knots of wind.  It's been
much, much worse.  In the 1984 race, 104 retired out of 150 starters.  THAT
was brutal.  We got knocked down three times.

On 27 December 2015 at 16:09, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> 23 retirements and counting. Brutal.
>
>
> On Saturday, December 26, 2015, David Lenehan via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Just got an update - there are now 15 retirements.
>>
>> David Lenehan
>> "Sea Mistress" - Adams 40
>>
>> On 27 December 2015 at 08:31, David Lenehan <aktau.da...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dennis,
>>>
>>> Having done a few of these, I can assure you that it's a wild ride most
>>> years.  It's just that some are far worse.  There's a lot of emphasis on
>>> how bad 1998 was (six sailors died) but, frankly, I think 1984 was worse.
>>> The really bad years come around about every seven years.  Sometimes eight,
>>> sometimes six but seven year cycles are the norm.  And it's no fun on the
>>> serious contenders.  Every second is vital for those guys and for some
>>> there are millions of dollars involved.  Personally, I'm pleased I gave it
>>> away after five races (including 1984).
>>>
>>> I do agree that it's quite a spectacle.  Yesterday afternoon the
>>> supermaxis were making 22 knots under spinnaker.  Then the southerly hit.
>>> At this point it appears that 10 boats (out of 108) have officially retired
>>> (lots of broken rudders) while a couple of others are trying to make
>>> repairs so they can continue.  The (line honours) leaders are currently
>>> beating into a southerly and are just entering Bass Strait.
>>>
>>> Haven't seen any video since about dusk last night.
>>>
>>> Hope that update helps,
>>>
>>> David Lenehan
>>> "Sea Mistress" - Adams 40
>>>
>>> On 27 December 2015 at 04:32, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like another wild one.  Gale force winds, broken rudders, ripped
>>>> sails, retirements from couple of the Maxis.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/tracker/
>>>>
>>>> Dennis C.
>>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>>> Mandeville, LA
>>>>
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Re: Stus-List boat names

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Danny,

Five doctors over here owned a boat together.  You never knew who was
aboard at any time as they were all high powered medicos who were on call
to various hospitals.  They called their boat "Witchdoctor".  It makes more
sense heard than spelled.

Another notable was two fellows I knew well.  One was deaf - the other
blind.  The blind fellow was the best sail trimmer I've ever seen as he
knew from the tension in the sheets.  The deaf guy was the helmsman.  There
was always at least one other person aboard as crew.  They called their
boat "Hear no Evil - See No Evil".

On 17 September 2015 at 20:39, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> OK when I got it, I cracked up!
>
> Those are both great names!
>
> Thanks DavidOn Sep 16, 2015 10:09 PM, David Lenehan via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Danny,
> >
> > There are lots of very innovative boat names over here in Australia.
> Rather than bore you with a whole raft of them, I'll mention two that have
> always stuck out in my mind.
> >
> > The first is "Waikikamukau".  For all the world this name looks very
> Kiwi (New Zealand) or even Polynesian.  The boat owner was constantly
> pounded with questions about the origin of this name as you might imagine.
> But stop scratching your head and try to pronounce it.  Then you'll start
> to realise he was having a piece of everyone.  Just in case you are having
> trouble, I'll break it up for you:  Wai-kik-a-mu-kau
> >
> > The other stand out name came from a skipper who was entering his yacht
> into upcoming Australian and world championship regattas.  He turned up to
> register his brand new boat about an hour before the deadline.  Because he
> had no name for the boat they wouldn't accept his entry.  He walked out of
> th eyacht club and right in front of him was a road condition warning
> sign.  He immediately walked back in and registered his boat as "Slippery
> When Wet".
> >
> >
> > Maybe that will assist your imagination,
> > David
> >
> > On 17 September 2015 at 11:53, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> OK coming up with a new name for our new boat is proving very difficult.
> >>
> >> I thought I would throw it out to you guys for some ideas!
> >>
> >> Maybe you came across something sometime and thought wow what a great
> name for a boat!
> >>
> >> I can't believe this is so difficult... Lol
> >>
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Re: Stus-List boat names

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Danny,

There are lots of very innovative boat names over here in Australia.
Rather than bore you with a whole raft of them, I'll mention two that have
always stuck out in my mind.

The first is "Waikikamukau".  For all the world this name looks very Kiwi
(New Zealand) or even Polynesian.  The boat owner was constantly pounded
with questions about the origin of this name as you might imagine.  But
stop scratching your head and try to pronounce it.  Then you'll start to
realise he was having a piece of everyone.  Just in case you are having
trouble, I'll break it up for you:  Wai-kik-a-mu-kau

The other stand out name came from a skipper who was entering his yacht
into upcoming Australian and world championship regattas.  He turned up to
register his brand new boat about an hour before the deadline.  Because he
had no name for the boat they wouldn't accept his entry.  He walked out of
th eyacht club and right in front of him was a road condition warning
sign.  He immediately walked back in and registered his boat as "Slippery
When Wet".


Maybe that will assist your imagination,
David

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> OK coming up with a new name for our new boat is proving very difficult.
>
> I thought I would throw it out to you guys for some ideas!
>
> Maybe you came across something sometime and thought wow what a great name
> for a boat!
>
> I can't believe this is so difficult... Lol
>
> Danny
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Re: Stus-List - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation

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Danny,

Many years ago I bought a Musto.  It was on special price at the time but
still cost a fortune and I nearly passed on the opportunity but was
convinced by a colleague that it would be a good buy.  It was.  And it
remains the best investment I've ever made in my personal sailing
equipment.  Frankly, I've never had a moment's trouble with it and, while
faded a little with time, it still works perfectly.  The only change I made
was to convert the auto inflate to manual when it went in for a service.

Can't agree with Martin enough.  It's got to be comfortable as you'll wear
it a lot - should be part of the skipper's standing orders to wear it if
alone in the cockpit or leaving it to go for'ard regardless of the sea
conditions.  And make sure you get the version which has the harness
attachment rings.

Mine is worn over my spray jacket or foul weather jacket but tucked under
the collar to prevent chafe on the back of the neck.

Hope that assists,
David

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> Danny,
>
>
>
> I put about 20,000 miles on a Mustang style inflatable with harness that
> had the powder tablet type of auto inflate.  It was comfortable and easy to
> put on and only auto inflated by rain/spray once.  In heavy rain I would
> wear it under my foulweather gear jacket knowing if it inflated I may have
> difficulty in taking my jacket off without a knife.
>
>
>
> My current inflatable was made by Spinlock.  I have only put around 3,000
> miles on this one.  The advantages are mainly in how it stays out of the
> way when sail handling or spinning winch handles. It is slightly less
> comfortable than the Mustang with a little extra chafe around the neck.  It
> does takes a moment longer to put on owing to the harness clasp design.
> IIRC it is hydrostatic but I am not sure.  There was a recall a few years
> ago that updated something with the inflator.
>
>
>
> If you will be racing or headed into entertaining conditions the leg
> straps are a good idea.  Buy one that will be comfortable wear more often
> even if it costs more.  Any life jacket is a waste of money unless worn.
>
>
>
> Martin DeYoung
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny
> Haughey via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:46 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Danny Haughey
> *Subject:* Stus-List - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation
>
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> I'm to buy an inflatable life jacket with a harness and tether and I'm
> looking for recommendations.
>
>
>
> I'm told I should get hydrostatic.  These things run up to $400.
>
>
>
> Then there is a mustang version on sale at defender for $259.
>
>
>
> I'm interested in what you guys use or recommend.
>
>
>
> We don't go offshore much but, intend to further our cruising ground.
>
>
>
> Danny
>
> Still moving toward a closing!
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Re: Stus-List Free (Not a C C) Boat...?

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Could be interested, David.  Details?  Or, better, contact details?

Thanks
David

On 24 July 2015 at 23:32, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Yes its an oxymoron but a friend of mine owns a Bristol 30 that is sitting
 in their backyard gathering leaves etc. (although she is shrink-wrapped).

 Would like to find it a good home for very short money (if any at
 all...not clear yet).  My understanding is take it and fix it up (I don't
 think it needs much, but its been a few years since she has been run) and
 its yours.

 Located on Southcoast Massachusetts.



 David F. Risch
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)


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 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Anyone on the list from the Sackets Harbor NY area?
 From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 CC: djhaug...@juno.com

 HI Guys,

 A boat has come into my radar in Sackets Harbor NY.  I was wondering if
 that was close to anyone and if they had, or could get any, any info on it.

 Thanks,
 Danny,
 Still Shopping
 Massachusetts

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Re: Stus-List CC 35-III Headroom?

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Lee,

I'm pretty certain it's 6'4.

Hope it helps
David

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 Anyone know the headroom in a 1986 35-III?  Boats out of town or I’d
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Re: Stus-List intimidating Music

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While I loved what the Australians did during the America's Cup regatta
back in 1983 - that was psychological warfare - I go out to enjoy the music
of the water and the singing of the wind.  No music required while the wind
and the rags are up.

David

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 We used the theme from Rocky...when it was new...during an SORC.

 Andrew Burton
 61 W Narragansett
 Newport, RI
 USA02840

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 On Jul 13, 2015, at 18:12, William Walker via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 How about music to play loud a start of race to intimidate opponents and
 those on starboard tack?



 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


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 On Monday, July 13, 2015 Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

  The sound of the sea is enough for me.  Jerry. JJ. CC 27 V

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 13, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Knowles Rich via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

   Very tasteful…. Geesh!

   Rich Knowles
  Nanaimo, BC
 INDIGO LF38
 Boatless!





  On Jul 13, 2015, at 11:23, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avaSdC0QOUM



 All the best,

  Edd


  Edd M. Schillay
  Starship Enterprise
  CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
  City Island, NY
  Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/


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   On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Toots  the Maytals.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPNln7nPCJc

  There's no accounting for taste or mood. As a general rule I listen to
 everything. In practice I primarily listen to old 60s reggae, ska, and rock
 n roll (old and new). I have no more time or energy for 'easy listening' or
 anything depressing (classical != easy listening). Happy music only please.
 Bob Marley gets a lot of playtime both on and off the boat. Legend is the
 *worst* Bob Marley album.

  There is so much good music out there how can you settle on any one
 thing?

  Steve
  Suhana, CC 32
  Toronto






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Re: Stus-List CC 35 Mk II for sale

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Garry,

Congratulations on the new boat.  Kind of chuckled when I saw the name of
your new love.  Certainly that would be the absolute truth until the old
one has been sold but hopefully not thereafter.

David

On 25 June 2015 at 21:23, Gary Russell via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 Well, my CC 35 k II is for sale.  Expresso is on Yachtworld.  She is one
 of the best around.  She has modern electronics (Comnav / Nexus), radar,
 below deck autopilot, new Ultraleather interior with memory foam, new paint
 job 2010, carbon fiber main and 142% genoa, etc.  She is priced to sell.
 The add on Yachtworld is still being completed but can be seen at:


 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1975/C%26C-35-MkII-2855801/RI/United-States#.VYvjP_lViko

 She is very fast and well loved.  She was first overall in the Newport
 Yacht Club Mitchell Regatta last year

 Why am I doing this?  I just bought a CC 37 Plus.

 Gary
 S/V Expresso and S/V High Maintenance
 East Greenwich, RI, USA


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Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Chances are, Edd, if your oil is gray, there's water in it and I'd be
seriously considering the head gasket as the likely culprit.

Best of luck,
David

On 22 June 2015 at 11:19, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 Edd,

 Your M-35 is a marinized Kubota tractor engine.  You might contact a
 tractor mechanic about rebuilding it.  Seems to me a rebuild should be in
 the $3000-3500 range.  A new one would be north of $7-8K.

 I handled a complete rebuild on an M-30 a while back.  I got most of the
 parts from a Kubota tractor dealer.  Somewhere there is a cross reference
 for parts using the serial number off the block.

 I took the head and block and the bearings, rings, etc. to a regular
 engine machine shop.  They built the block, rebuilt the head and installed
 the head.  All I had to do was install the heat exchanger and a few other
 goodies and drop it back in the boat.  That M-30 is still going strong.

 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA



 On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Listers,

 Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine
 and I'm preparing  myself for the worst.

 Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what
 did it cost you including time out of commission and labor?


 All the best,

 Edd

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Re: Stus-List Anchor Size

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Joe,

The general rule of thumb with anchors is one pound per foot (length of
yacht).

However, that's just a guide.  If your boat is heavier than average boats
of 38 feet, take the next size up.  Shouldn't be, in your case.  The same
rule (get the next size up) applies if you have a lot of windage (no, not
from beans - from the likes of a large spray dodger or a closed in bimini)
or if you are likely to be in heavy wind conditions while at anchor.

Having said all that, keep in mind that the anchor is not the only factor.
The length and type of rode and the depth of water are big factors.  Within
reason, the more chain rode the better.

My usual approach is take a size larger and as much chain as my boat can
handle.  My last boat (a 43 footer) carried 250' of 3/8 galvanised chain
with a 54lb CQR as the primary anchor.  Never dragged the hook in any
conditions and we never used the secondary anchor.

Hope that helps.  Factors relating to your particular weather and sea
conditions are better answered by someone geographically closer than me.
And there should be plenty of them.

Best of luck,
David



On 1 June 2015 at 11:53, Joseph Scott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 Hello,

 What size anchor do I need for my 38?  I want to put a plow anchor on a
 roller and found a 35lb one locally for $50. Found a chart on the photo
 album that says that would be more than enough but that chart seems to be
 the exception.  We are in Lake Erie and our only real use would be for an
 afternoon of swimming and occasional overnight in a very protected bay.

 Thanks

 Joe

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Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Boatless eh, Rich?  Sad state to be in.  And I should know!

Congrats on the sale.

David

On 23 May 2015 at 15:30, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 Thanks, Russ!

 Yep, it’s all over. Money in the bank and some already spent. Not sure
 what’s next. We’ll see. Meantime, I’m hanging out here unless I’m kicked
 off.

 Cheers

 Rich

 Rich Knowles
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 Boatless!



 On May 22, 2015, at 22:24, Russ  Melody via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Hi Rich,

 Best wishes on the second or third happiest day of your life. (Wedding
 days are currently under discussion at the institute.)

 Can we assume the sale is final?

 Cheers, Russ
 *Sweet *35 mk-1


 At 10:05 PM 22/05/2015, you wrote:

 Pretty much every marine engine has a connector or two in the engine/panel
 wiring harness. They are there to make installation convenient at the
 factory, but, after a few years, can cause a lot of problems as corrosion
 and wear set in. I’ve seen electrical problems on every size of boat
 regardless of make or engine type that bypassing these connectors has
 frequently cured. I suggest cutting out the connectors and splicing the
 individual wires together using top quality heat shrink crimp butt
 connectors. In the event that the engine has to be serviced, removed, or
 replaced, the wires can be severed and rejoined as needed.

 I’m not sure that this is the root of your problems but it’s a good
 place to start.

 Rich Knowles
 Nanaimo, BC
 Boatless.

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Re: Stus-List Stupid Club

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

This is such an interesting thread that I thought I'd expose myself to some
laughter too.  As a matter of added interest, I joined the Stupid Club on
the day after I joined the Hypocrit's Club.

Years ago I had a lovely long line that I decided I'd use as a genoa
sheet.  It was a beautiful length of brand new polyester braid back when
polyester rope was still something of a novelty.  I sat back and admired my
work noting that the sheet was a bit longer than it needed to be.

Not to worry, I told myself smugly, I'll sort that out later.

The next morning we were motoring out for our race.  I was a first year
skipper in my first keel boat.  We were far ahead in the standings and only
had to finish this race to take home the silverware.  I was dreaming of the
glory instead of watching what everyone was doing.  I instructed the crew
to set up as we usually did and one of the inexperienced crew dropped the
end of the genoa sheet over the side and didn't recover it immediately.

Yes, you guessed it!  It wrapped itself around the prop and the shaft shaft
and we started taking on water.  Large volumes of it.  Didn't start the
race, didn't take the trophy home and nearly didn't get the boat home
either.  The list of damage it caused is too long to tell but it cost a
fortune and did some serious ego bashing.  A host of lessons learned.

Red faced for months,
David

On 20 May 2015 at 14:47, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 I used my 7 litre Pela vacuum extractor to empty the sump on my 3QM30 one
 fall and then kicked it over on the way up the companionway. Had to yank
 the sole and swab out the engine compartment. About three hours as I
 recall. Nice!

 Rich


 On May 19, 2015, at 19:08, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 I left the oil cap off once.  Ran the boat hard for 6 hours before I
 noticed.  Also had the mess.

 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 CC 34R
 Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

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 *From: *robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc: *robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca
 *Sent: *Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:23:50 PM
 *Subject: *Stus-List Rig - crack?

 Wally:
 I have no problem admitting to my mental limitationsif I were that
 smart, I wouldn't be sailing a 31 year old boat and I wouldn't be doing
 all of the maintenance/work myself.  Possibly explains why I am a big
 fan of the CC list.

 Here's another example of 'stupid'..changed the engine oil last Fall
 just before haul outstarted the engine after the oil change but just
 long enough to hear the engine alarm go 'off'launched this Spring
 and went for a half hour motor before docking.noticed some oil in
 the bilgenow we get to the 'stupid'..forgot to put the oil cap
 back on the to of the engine last Fall after the oil changesome oil
 spurted out of the top of the engine and made a mess all the way to the
 bilge.

 Had a big clean up.I am a full member of the 'stupid club' and
 freely admit it!

 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, N.S.

 On 2015-05-14 11:04 PM, Wally Bryant via CnC-List wrote:
  you wrote:
  Steve:
   Instantly, now I feel stupid
 
  Welcome to the club.
 
 
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 Almost sold in Halifax, NS.






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Re: Stus-List Stupid Club

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The boat was Windborne, Fred.  I'm in Australia.

On 21 May 2015 at 08:33, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 David — do you live in Australia, or is “Down Under” the name of your
 (formerly nearly sunk) boat?   :^)

 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

 On May 20, 2015, at 5:21 PM, David Lenehan via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 David
 (Down Under)



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Re: Stus-List Stupid Club

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Mike Hoyt wrote:
Let me guess.  Shaft pulled back, shaft seal or stuffing box compromised,
coupler detached and probable damage to strut and stern tube?

Actually, Mike, it was all that and much more.  We went within a whisker of
losing the boat.  so there was a massive amount if damage internally as
well.  She was on the hard for nearly two months drying out then being
almost completely rebuilt inside, new wiring, new electronics and on and on
it went.

What saved her was that we inflated two 12' inflatable dinghies inside the
cabin.  That gave her a lot  more buoyancy.

When our volunteer coast guard arrived, their self-priming pump wouldn't
work.  They finally called for another coast guard boat and their crew took
over from ours on the pumps and buckets.  Looking back it was a little
comical but it certainly wasn't at the time.

David
(Down Under)

On 21 May 2015 at 02:27, svpegasu...@gmail.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

  Amen. Life is tough, it's harder when you are stupid. And, You cant fix
 stupid. Just when you think something is idiot proof, along comes an
 improved idiot.

 I am on the 4th assembly of a VW engine for doing stupid stuff. The best
 part about doing sstupithings is you get to laugh at your self later over a
 beer. I had to go diving in Nanaimo to cut loose my dinghy painter. Did I
 mention no wet suit, goggles, or snorkel? The second time for a.bow line
 I hired a diver. Cost me $100 worth every penny.


 Doug Mountjoy

 svPegasus

 LF38

 just west of Ballard, WA.

  -- Original message--

 *From: *robert via CnC-List

 *Date: *Wed, May 20, 2015 06:43

 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com;

 *Cc: *robert;

 *Subject:*Stus-List Stupid Club
 Being a full fledged member myself, I love the old saying There is a
 major difference between intelligence and stupidity; intelligence has its
 limits.

 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, N.S.

 On 2015-05-20 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:

  David



 Let me guess.  Shaft pulled back, shaft seal or stuffing box compromised,
 coupler detached and probable damage to strut and stern tube?



 Don’t ask me how I know.  Suffice it to say that I also belong in the club.



 On the bright side insurance often covers Stupid and in this case it does.



 Mike

 Persistence

 Halifax



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 cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David Lenehan via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:13 AM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* David Lenehan
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stupid Club



 This is such an interesting thread that I thought I'd expose myself to
 some laughter too.  As a matter of added interest, I joined the Stupid Club
 on the day after I joined the Hypocrit's Club.

 Years ago I had a lovely long line that I decided I'd use as a genoa
 sheet.  It was a beautiful length of brand new polyester braid back when
 polyester rope was still something of a novelty.  I sat back and admired my
 work noting that the sheet was a bit longer than it needed to be.

 Not to worry, I told myself smugly, I'll sort that out later.

 The next morning we were motoring out for our race.  I was a first year
 skipper in my first keel boat.  We were far ahead in the standings and only
 had to finish this race to take home the silverware.  I was dreaming of the
 glory instead of watching what everyone was doing.  I instructed the crew
 to set up as we usually did and one of the inexperienced crew dropped the
 end of the genoa sheet over the side and didn't recover it immediately.

 Yes, you guessed it!  It wrapped itself around the prop and the shaft
 shaft and we started taking on water.  Large volumes of it.  Didn't start
 the race, didn't take the trophy home and nearly didn't get the boat home
 either.  The list of damage it caused is too long to tell but it cost a
 fortune and did some serious ego bashing.  A host of lessons learned.

 Red faced for months,

 David



 On 20 May 2015 at 14:47, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 I used my 7 litre Pela vacuum extractor to empty the sump on my 3QM30 one
 fall and then kicked it over on the way up the companionway. Had to yank
 the sole and swab out the engine compartment. About three hours as I
 recall. Nice!



 Rich



 On May 19, 2015, at 19:08, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:



 I left the oil cap off once.  Ran the boat hard for 6 hours before I
 noticed.  Also had the mess.



 Chuck
 *Resolute*
 1990 CC 34R
 Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


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 *Cc: *robert robertabb...@eastlink.ca
 *Sent: *Thursday, May 14, 2015 10:23:50 PM
 *Subject: *Stus-List Rig - crack?



 Wally:
 I have no problem admitting to my mental limitationsif I were that
 smart, I wouldn't be sailing a 31 year old boat and I wouldn't be doing
 all of the maintenance/work myself.  Possibly explains why I am

Re: Stus-List Crew duties during a race

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Allen,

Chuck has probably about summed it up.  If you are running kites you might
need one more person on deck but be careful to avoid overcrowding.  Anyone
surplus to current sailhandling becomes human ballast and has the joy of
sitting on the windward gunwhale.  Lucky people.

Also, I agree with Chuck about this being a noble cause.  Anything you can
do to get people out sailing is a good thing.

Wish you the best,
David

On 23 April 2015 at 07:49, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

 A very noble cause.  I remember those crew descriptions.

 You won't need many descriptions if the boats have roller furled jibs.
 Helm, Mainsheet Trimmer, Genoa Trimmer each side?  Maybe a Floater who
 skirts the jib, and works the halyards, Cunningham, Vang, Outhaul,
 Preventer?

 The most intimidating thing to me was not running into other boats during
 the start, the start sequence; timing the start, the various flags, gun,
 etc.   It would be good to practice that in class showing the Preparatory
 signal, Postponement, Start flags.

 I can recommend a very good book on racing:
 *Getting Started in Sailboat Racing*  by Adam Cort, 2005;  helps explains
 getting around the course, and simple start strategies, etc.

 For trimming sails, I buy my guys *Mainsail Trimming* and *Jib Trimming*
 both by Felix Marks, 2007 very common sense and easy to read.


 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 CC 34R
 Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

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 *Sent: *Wednesday, April 22, 2015 9:08:35 AM
 *Subject: *Stus-List Crew duties during a race

 I need some help here.  Our local sailing club on Albemarle Sound supports
 a low key racing program (no spin, but olympic triangle and hot dog
 course).   They are trying to increase the number of boats racing and that
 requires additional crew.  Remembering some great threads here on crew
 duties a year or two ago I volunteered to conduct some classroom  and on
 board sessions to bring new crew up to speed.

 Unfortunately, I now can't find those threads. Can you direct me to where
 they're archived?

 Allen Miles

 S/V Septima  CC 30-2

 Hampton, VA


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Re: Stus-List 1979 Refurbished CC 38 for sale in Milwaukee

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Yes, I'd like a look at anything you've got. Email to:

aktau.da...@gmail.com

Thanks, Patrick
David

On 19 April 2015 at 23:20, Patrick Enright via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I have a great example of why we all love CC's!  I have rigged the boat
 to sail single-handed, and upgraded most of the boat including new
 refrigeration, shore power, instruments, sail track and self-tailing
 primary winches.  The boat is listed at $49,900, but reasonable offers will
 be considered.  Please shoot me a note if you would like a copy of the
 flyer and/or more information.

 Pat

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Re: Stus-List Introduction and a question

[David Lenehan via CnC-List]

Lots of good information from everyone.  Thank you.  I've also asked for
advice on Cruisers Forum and they've tossed in a lot of things.  I have to
admit I've been given a lot to think about but that's no complaint.  I've
also had family here from Queensland so I've been distracted though I've
managed to read everyone's input.

While I'm still at the research stage, I've now been introduced to two
boats which may change my timing a bit.  They are of a price (assuming they
clear a rigorous survey) which could well make an early purchase viable.
And, I could then customise the boat with the pennies left over from a more
expensive option - which would be considerable in each case.  It's food for
thought.

Any other advice is a positive from my point of view.

One question I do have...  How wet is the cockpit in a blow of steep seas?
A bit of damp never hurt anyone and my racing background means I'm familiar
with this phenomenon.  The point was raised elsewhere because of the low
cockpit coamings.  Comments?

On 5 April 2015 at 00:05, D.J. Platt via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

  As with all gen 3 CC's , get a surveyor who knows something about balsa
 cored hulls and have him go over it carefully.

 Good luck

 David

 Wanderer
 CC 32

  *From:* Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2015 4:41 PM
 *To:* David Lenehan aktau.da...@gmail.com ; 1 CnC List
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Introduction and a question

 Hi David. I'm the guy who recommended you come here. Hopefully someone
 chimes in soon. I think Fred Hazzard has a 44.

  Jim Watts
 Paradigm Shift
 CC 35 Mk III
 Victoria, BC

 On 2 April 2015 at 15:56, David Lenehan via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Hi, I'm David.  I live in Melbourne Australia and I've got lots of
 blue-water experience in both racing and cruising.  Sadly I am currently
 between boats having lived in Kazakhstan for the past few years.  But I'm
 now searching for a boat I hope will be my last.  At this moment my
 preference is for the CC 44.  Everything I've managed to collect lavishes
 praise on this boat from the quality of the construction to the superb and
 well thought through design and the sparkling performance.

 That's the gloss.  There are several currently on the market spread
 around through Eastern Canada, the Caribbean and San Diego.  None in
 Australia but I'll enjoy bringing her home once I find the one for me.

 What I really need to know is what to look for when I start stepping
 aboard the boats that are available.  I'd appreciate comments from those of
 you with experience both in the 44 and with generic issues with CC boats
 in general.  Any sensible comments and advice are welcome.

 Kind regards
 David

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