Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
I made a setup like that. I have not yet installed it. This would be my "second" stage - maybe only with a manual switch. With the centrifugal being the first. https://youtu.be/mEFCPYiqdbg Josh On Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 11:40 Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote: > http://lnvtblog.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-slurpee-bilge-pump.html’ > > > > > https://lifeempirically.com/2018/03/12/build-your-own-diy-arid-bilge-or-dry-bilge-system/ > > > > I think this came up around a year ago – > > > > Bill > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim > Rutherford via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:13 AM > *To:* cnc-list > *Cc:* Tim Rutherford > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question > > > > Johnson Pumps integrated pump and electronic sensor 32-47260-003 1000 GPH > Ultima Bilge Pump, 12V, works good for me now. > > > > The bilge on my centerboard boat is quite shallow and there is no room for > a switch at the same level as the pump resulting in more than necessary > residual water level if controled with a typical float switch. This pump > requires careful placement to ensure proper start-stop operation. First > unit ran dry and failed but was replaced under warranty. Works with a > typical 3-wire bilge control panel. > > > > Pump runs dry sometimes when sailing heeled over so occassionally have to > switch to manual. > > > > This freed up the existing rule-matic switch to be used as a high water > sensor wired to a water witch BP500 alarm mounted topside in the cockpit. > > > > Wish I had a diaphragm pump for a really dry bilge but with the A/C > running almost nonstop here in Florida, and draining condensate into the > bilge, it's not a likely solution. > > > > -- > Tim Rutherford > > 1981 C&C 36-1 KCB #244 Chamamé > > tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com > Tampa, Florida > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:02 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Listers: > > New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the > bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the > switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it > occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. > Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water > witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for > suggestions. > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
http://lnvtblog.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-slurpee-bilge-pump.html’ https://lifeempirically.com/2018/03/12/build-your-own-diy-arid-bilge-or-dry-bilge-system/ I think this came up around a year ago – Bill From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Rutherford via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:13 AM To: cnc-list Cc: Tim Rutherford Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question Johnson Pumps integrated pump and electronic sensor 32-47260-003 1000 GPH Ultima Bilge Pump, 12V, works good for me now. The bilge on my centerboard boat is quite shallow and there is no room for a switch at the same level as the pump resulting in more than necessary residual water level if controled with a typical float switch. This pump requires careful placement to ensure proper start-stop operation. First unit ran dry and failed but was replaced under warranty. Works with a typical 3-wire bilge control panel. Pump runs dry sometimes when sailing heeled over so occassionally have to switch to manual. This freed up the existing rule-matic switch to be used as a high water sensor wired to a water witch BP500 alarm mounted topside in the cockpit. Wish I had a diaphragm pump for a really dry bilge but with the A/C running almost nonstop here in Florida, and draining condensate into the bilge, it's not a likely solution. -- Tim Rutherford 1981 C&C 36-1 KCB #244 Chamamé tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com Tampa, Florida On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:02 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote: Listers: New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
Johnson Pumps integrated pump and electronic sensor 32-47260-003 1000 GPH Ultima Bilge Pump, 12V, works good for me now. The bilge on my centerboard boat is quite shallow and there is no room for a switch at the same level as the pump resulting in more than necessary residual water level if controled with a typical float switch. This pump requires careful placement to ensure proper start-stop operation. First unit ran dry and failed but was replaced under warranty. Works with a typical 3-wire bilge control panel. Pump runs dry sometimes when sailing heeled over so occassionally have to switch to manual. This freed up the existing rule-matic switch to be used as a high water sensor wired to a water witch BP500 alarm mounted topside in the cockpit. Wish I had a diaphragm pump for a really dry bilge but with the A/C running almost nonstop here in Florida, and draining condensate into the bilge, it's not a likely solution. -- Tim Rutherford 1981 C&C 36-1 KCB #244 Chamamé tim.rutherford.m...@gmail.com Tampa, Florida On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:02 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Listers: > > New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the > bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the > switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it > occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. > Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water > witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for > suggestions. > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
I too, like the Whale diaphragm pumps for sucking the last drop, and a centrifugal pump for serious water. I did notice that you have to occasionally wipe the bottom, or sensing area of the electronic switches off, to remove film, or whatever, or they will get confused. But the Whale Pumps can run dry without ruining them. I did just buy one of the Johnson Pumps last year, I am sad to hear that those motors will also die in a few years. I thought they were a direct replacement for the Rule, but the output was off just a little bit. Bill Coleman Erie PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of bwhitmore via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:56 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question I went with a Whale Gulper for both bilge pumps with rule floating switches. I tried the water Witch and twice had it running way after shut down should have occurred. I don't trust them to turn off appropriately. Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List Date: 6/23/20 4:02 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: wolf...@erie.net Subject: Stus-List Bilge pump question Listers: New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
Added a counter. It was great. Then I replace bilge pump with new water sensing integrated one. Not great. It records all of the sensing cycles. Need to replace it again with old school pump. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 9:04 AM To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Cc: Bruce Whitmore Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question Interesting story when we first got Astralis. After going through the boat what I thought was pretty well prior to moving the boat, we took off one morning to start the 120 mile trip. After a few minutes getting outside the harbor, I had one of my friends take the helm. I went down below to check things out, and found our bilge pump switch like this one throwing a red light: https://www.amazon.com/Rule-41-Marine-Deluxe-12-Volt/dp/B000O8EZYA/ref=asc_df_B000O8EZYA/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312128389336&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6108134242188170768&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9012380&hvtargid=pla-570016585845&psc=1 That caused me to investigate, and I found that water was coming into the boat through a cracked exhaust hose all the way at the stern where it exited the boat. We turned around, got back to the marina, got a piece of hose, and had everything fixed less than 3 hours later. I'm glad that light turns on when the bilge pump turns on! I would, however like to add a counter on my two bilge pumps... Bruce Whitmore (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
I don’t understand the problem you have with the Water Witch sensor (installed one last summer). Mine sits well above normal bilge water level and below the floorboards. It does not get wet unless there is a problem and thus I would not expect it to need cleaning. Where is yours mounted? Dave S/V Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT > On Jun 24, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi Bruce > > That is the only problem with Water Witch. Cleaning the sensor by wiping it > clean and dry resolves this for us. It tends to get slimy over time and > because of that thinks it is still submerged > > Mike > Persistence > Halifax, NS > www.hoytsailing.com <http://www.hoytsailing.com/> > > From: CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf Of bwhitmore via CnC-List > Sent: June 23, 2020 10:56 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: bwhitmore mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question > > I went with a Whale Gulper for both bilge pumps with rule floating switches. > I tried the water Witch and twice had it running way after shut down should > have occurred. I don't trust them to turn off appropriately. > > > > Sent from Samsung tablet. > > > Original message > From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Date: 6/23/20 4:02 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: wolf...@erie.net <mailto:wolf...@erie.net> > Subject: Stus-List Bilge pump question > > Listers: > > New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the bilge, but > it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch and install > a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me that having > redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to people like > for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so I don't > need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray>___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
Interesting story when we first got Astralis. After going through the boat what I thought was pretty well prior to moving the boat, we took off one morning to start the 120 mile trip. After a few minutes getting outside the harbor, I had one of my friends take the helm. I went down below to check things out, and found our bilge pump switch like this one throwing a red light: https://www.amazon.com/Rule-41-Marine-Deluxe-12-Volt/dp/B000O8EZYA/ref=asc_df_B000O8EZYA/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312128389336&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6108134242188170768&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9012380&hvtargid=pla-570016585845&psc=1 That caused me to investigate, and I found that water was coming into the boat through a cracked exhaust hose all the way at the stern where it exited the boat. We turned around, got back to the marina, got a piece of hose, and had everything fixed less than 3 hours later. I'm glad that light turns on when the bilge pump turns on! I would, however like to add a counter on my two bilge pumps... Bruce Whitmore (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question - switch recommendation
My choice for bilge pump switches is one of the Ultra Safety Systems switches. Fairly bombproof. The other advantage is you don't have to make the "Y" connection on the positive wires from the "Manual" side of the control switch and the float switch. That connection is made inside the switch. https://www.ultratef-gel.com/product-category/ultrabilgepumpswitch/ There are several models to fit your needs. Different sizes and with or without a connection for an alarm. Available on Amazon and elsewhere. -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 7:48 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Bruce > > > > That is the only problem with Water Witch. Cleaning the sensor by wiping > it clean and dry resolves this for us. It tends to get slimy over time and > because of that thinks it is still submerged > > > > Mike > > Persistence > > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
Hi Bruce That is the only problem with Water Witch. Cleaning the sensor by wiping it clean and dry resolves this for us. It tends to get slimy over time and because of that thinks it is still submerged Mike Persistence Halifax, NS www.hoytsailing.com From: CnC-List On Behalf Of bwhitmore via CnC-List Sent: June 23, 2020 10:56 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: bwhitmore Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question I went with a Whale Gulper for both bilge pumps with rule floating switches. I tried the water Witch and twice had it running way after shut down should have occurred. I don't trust them to turn off appropriately. Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Date: 6/23/20 4:02 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: wolf...@erie.net<mailto:wolf...@erie.net> Subject: Stus-List Bilge pump question Listers: New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
Hi Matt Persistence has a diaphragm pump that runs manually via switch or automatically by Water Witch. We really like the Water Witch but the sensor needs to be wiped clean a couple times a year to prevent the pump from running too often. Pump is PAR model 36680-2000. We like the diaphragm pump because it takes the bilge water level very low compared to other types of pumps but the disadvantage is flow rate is less than the other pumps as well. Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Matt Wolford via CnC-List Sent: June 23, 2020 5:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: wolf...@erie.net Subject: Stus-List Bilge pump question Listers: New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
I second the idea of redundant bilge pumps and I have installed both a 300 gph diaphragm with a water witch mounted as low as I could get it to suck water reliably in addition to the a 1500 centrifuge pump with a mechanical float switch that came with the boat. The centrifugal pump float switch is higher so it rarely runs except when I test it a few times a season so it should last a while I hope. I agree with Josh that I am not sure if the centrifugal pump will really pump much faster then the diaphragm under real world conditions. Having the manual pump in the cockpit and making sure that is in good condition (test and rebuild or replace if it is old because the rubber parts will fail - I found mine which was luckily original failed after a few strokes when I tested it last year) and I see it as is critical if you are on the boat and taking on water. I also have a counter on the water witch / diaphragm so I can check how many times it has come on since last time I was on the boat. A few times depending on how much it rained (coming down the mast) is normal. More than that is a sign of a problem. Thinking I should add a warning light And/or buzzer as others have mentioned in the past so I will notice if it is running while motoring or sailing. - - Nathan Post S/V Wisper ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
Fair enough Josh, I don't have the backup of the high capacity centrifugal pump.Of course, with my recent fiasco. I am evidently at much higher risk of being killed by an errant jetski than drowning because my bilge pump won't keep up. :(More on that is forthcoming...Thanks as always to Josh, your insights are always invaluable. Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Date: 6/23/20 11:29 PM (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question Bruce,That's why I like the 2 stage system which I suggested. It gets the best of both worlds. You absolutely make valid points about the weaknesses of centrifugal pumps.Josh On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 22:53 bwhitmore via CnC-List wrote:I hate disagreeing with Josh or Edd as I respect you guys so much. But my opinion is that if you need volume pumping, something is dramatically wrong. If you're not on the boat, it will sink anyway. If you're on the boat, it may give you more time to find the leak, but my centrifugal pumps tend to clog, bind up, or at least never pump to the stated volume. I'd rather have a 300 gph pump I think will actually pump that much than a 1,000 rated gph pump that ultimately I don't think I can fully rely on that actually delivers 500 gph.Centrifugal pumps tend to rely on numbers without lift, where diaphragm pumps are not affected nearly as much.Just my $.02 worthBruce Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Date: 6/23/20 10:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question The diaphragm pumps are great for getting the very last drops but they tend to be relatively low flow rate. I would suggest that you consider adding as high of a capacity pump as will fit and have it run on an automatic switch. You could have them run simultaneously but really having just the new high flow pump run as the primary pump is sufficient. Once the bilge is pumped, you can pump the dredges manually with the diaphragm pump.For high flow you're basically going to get a centrifugal pump. I replaced the original Rule with another pricey Rule pump which failed withing 3 years. I replaced it with a Walmart Atwood Pump which failed within 3 years and replaced it with the current Johnson pump. I'm not hopeful that it will last more than 3 years.Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MDOn Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 16:02 Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote:Listers: New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
Bruce, That's why I like the 2 stage system which I suggested. It gets the best of both worlds. You absolutely make valid points about the weaknesses of centrifugal pumps. Josh On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 22:53 bwhitmore via CnC-List wrote: > I hate disagreeing with Josh or Edd as I respect you guys so much. > > But my opinion is that if you need volume pumping, something is > dramatically wrong. If you're not on the boat, it will sink anyway. If > you're on the boat, it may give you more time to find the leak, but my > centrifugal pumps tend to clog, bind up, or at least never pump to the > stated volume. > > I'd rather have a 300 gph pump I think will actually pump that much than a > 1,000 rated gph pump that ultimately I don't think I can fully rely on that > actually delivers 500 gph. > > Centrifugal pumps tend to rely on numbers without lift, where diaphragm > pumps are not affected nearly as much. > > Just my $.02 worth > > Bruce > > > Sent from Samsung tablet. > > > Original message > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List > Date: 6/23/20 10:16 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: C&C List > Cc: Josh Muckley > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question > > The diaphragm pumps are great for getting the very last drops but they > tend to be relatively low flow rate. I would suggest that you consider > adding as high of a capacity pump as will fit and have it run on an > automatic switch. You could have them run simultaneously but really having > just the new high flow pump run as the primary pump is sufficient. Once > the bilge is pumped, you can pump the dredges manually with the diaphragm > pump. > > For high flow you're basically going to get a centrifugal pump. I > replaced the original Rule with another pricey Rule pump which failed > withing 3 years. I replaced it with a Walmart Atwood Pump which failed > within 3 years and replaced it with the current Johnson pump. I'm not > hopeful that it will last more than 3 years. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 16:02 Matt Wolford via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Listers: >> >> New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for >> the bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the >> switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it >> occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. >> Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water >> witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for >> suggestions. >> >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
I didn’t chime in, so you’re only disagreeing with Josh :-). I’m way off the norm on this topic. Years ago, I installed an automatic bilge pump with a float switch on the Enterprise-A (C&C 34) which worked great for a couple of months. Then the float switch malfunctioned and was stuck in the on position, killing the battery. Now I’m back to the old fashioned way - no automatic; just switched. Normally, my bilge is steadily low. And after some major rainfall, it’ll pump out pretty quickly. I agree with Bruce — if you find that you need more than 300gph on a regular basis, you’ve got a bigger problem and you’re better off finding it and correcting it. My pump is 200gph, and maybe I’ll use it once every two months for three minutes or less. The last time I had to run it more frequently than that, I needed new packing in my stuffing box. PS - Don’t be afraid to disagree with Josh. Sometimes it’s good to put that young hippie know-it-all in his place now and then. All the best, Edd ———- Edd M. Schillay Captain of the “Starship Enterprise” C&C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL www.StarshipSailing.com ———- 914.774.9767 | Mobile ———- Sent via iPhone 11 Pro iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:53 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List wrote: I hate disagreeing with Josh or Edd as I respect you guys so much. But my opinion is that if you need volume pumping, something is dramatically wrong. If you're not on the boat, it will sink anyway. If you're on the boat, it may give you more time to find the leak, but my centrifugal pumps tend to clog, bind up, or at least never pump to the stated volume. I'd rather have a 300 gph pump I think will actually pump that much than a 1,000 rated gph pump that ultimately I don't think I can fully rely on that actually delivers 500 gph. Centrifugal pumps tend to rely on numbers without lift, where diaphragm pumps are not affected nearly as much. Just my $.02 worth Bruce Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Date: 6/23/20 10:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question The diaphragm pumps are great for getting the very last drops but they tend to be relatively low flow rate. I would suggest that you consider adding as high of a capacity pump as will fit and have it run on an automatic switch. You could have them run simultaneously but really having just the new high flow pump run as the primary pump is sufficient. Once the bilge is pumped, you can pump the dredges manually with the diaphragm pump. For high flow you're basically going to get a centrifugal pump. I replaced the original Rule with another pricey Rule pump which failed withing 3 years. I replaced it with a Walmart Atwood Pump which failed within 3 years and replaced it with the current Johnson pump. I'm not hopeful that it will last more than 3 years. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 16:02 Matt Wolford via CnC-List > wrote: > Listers: > > New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the > bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch > and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me > that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to > people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so > I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
Josh; I installed the Johnson pump several years ago. I really like the fact that the motor can be easily removed for cleaning and for replacement. Yes, it still needs to be replaced about every 3 years; I actually keep a spare motor cartridge among the spares on the boat. I’m lucky that when I bought the first pump from West Marine I added the 3 year extended warranty (about $15 IIRC). When the first motor failed, I installed the spare and got a new replacement from WM under the warranty (which became the spare). I also bought the extended warranty on that replacement pump. I think the spare currently on the boat is the third one that has been replaced under extended warranty over the years. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question For high flow you're basically going to get a centrifugal pump. I replaced the original Rule with another pricey Rule pump which failed withing 3 years. I replaced it with a Walmart Atwood Pump which failed within 3 years and replaced it with the current Johnson pump. I'm not hopeful that it will last more than 3 years. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 16:02 Matt Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Listers: New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
I hate disagreeing with Josh or Edd as I respect you guys so much. But my opinion is that if you need volume pumping, something is dramatically wrong. If you're not on the boat, it will sink anyway. If you're on the boat, it may give you more time to find the leak, but my centrifugal pumps tend to clog, bind up, or at least never pump to the stated volume. I'd rather have a 300 gph pump I think will actually pump that much than a 1,000 rated gph pump that ultimately I don't think I can fully rely on that actually delivers 500 gph.Centrifugal pumps tend to rely on numbers without lift, where diaphragm pumps are not affected nearly as much.Just my $.02 worthBruce Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Date: 6/23/20 10:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question The diaphragm pumps are great for getting the very last drops but they tend to be relatively low flow rate. I would suggest that you consider adding as high of a capacity pump as will fit and have it run on an automatic switch. You could have them run simultaneously but really having just the new high flow pump run as the primary pump is sufficient. Once the bilge is pumped, you can pump the dredges manually with the diaphragm pump.For high flow you're basically going to get a centrifugal pump. I replaced the original Rule with another pricey Rule pump which failed withing 3 years. I replaced it with a Walmart Atwood Pump which failed within 3 years and replaced it with the current Johnson pump. I'm not hopeful that it will last more than 3 years.Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MDOn Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 16:02 Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote:Listers: New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
The diaphragm pumps are great for getting the very last drops but they tend to be relatively low flow rate. I would suggest that you consider adding as high of a capacity pump as will fit and have it run on an automatic switch. You could have them run simultaneously but really having just the new high flow pump run as the primary pump is sufficient. Once the bilge is pumped, you can pump the dredges manually with the diaphragm pump. For high flow you're basically going to get a centrifugal pump. I replaced the original Rule with another pricey Rule pump which failed withing 3 years. I replaced it with a Walmart Atwood Pump which failed within 3 years and replaced it with the current Johnson pump. I'm not hopeful that it will last more than 3 years. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 16:02 Matt Wolford via CnC-List wrote: > Listers: > > New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the > bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the > switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it > occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. > Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water > witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for > suggestions. > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bilge pump question
I went with a Whale Gulper for both bilge pumps with rule floating switches. I tried the water Witch and twice had it running way after shut down should have occurred. I don't trust them to turn off appropriately.Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List Date: 6/23/20 4:02 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: wolf...@erie.net Subject: Stus-List Bilge pump question Listers:New topic. My boat came with a really nice diaphragm pump for the bilge, but it operates on a manual switch. I was going to change the switch and install a sensor in the bilge to make it automatic, but it occurs to me that having redundancy is a good idea for this application. Which pumps to people like for placement in the bilge? I picked up a water witch sensor, so I don't need an automatic pump. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray___Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
