Re: Stus-List Electronics upgrade now Luddite Alert!
Pass through many bridges but the only thing that causes my autopilot to get crazy is when my cell phone is next to it. Curious about a handheld. Will try that. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:10 AM D Harben via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: ... Argh yes! I carry a VHF/DSC/GPS and knife on me as I single hand... however ... Getting close to the Raymarine 2000+ causes it to lust after them ... Don V34 NCYC On Aug 11, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: magnetic interference probably caused by cables crossing the channel caused my wheel pilot to turn sharply to port ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics upgrade now Luddite Alert!
David, I agree that autopilot does not mean sail blindly because the electronics are working. When sailing to a waypoint, its nice to know that it SHOULD be compensating for current, drift etc. Joel On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:42 AM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: To drill down a wee bit deeper vis a vis autopilots and interfaces. Call me a Luddite, but I have never been a fan of plotters directly (or blindly) feeding autopilots when there are strong variables (wind, current, etc) involved. I like to be the interface so I know what is going on in case all the electronics goes down. And they will. At the worst possible time. David F. Risch 1980-40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) -- Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:30:34 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics upgrade From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: joel.aron...@gmail.com Fred, You gave the definitive answer! I agree you want data to be shared but the displays to work independently of each other so if, for example, the radar display fails you can still get data on the plotter etc. Also, the autopilot should be connected to the plotter, especially if you sail in an area with strong currents. Joel On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Not too many listers chiming in on this topic. Anyone? Is everyone else out sailing? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: John — like most Furuno gear, I imagine the black-box radar is pretty reliable. My concern is with the other gear needed to use it. If you’re going to spend that much on buying and installing a system, you want it to work when you need it. And that’s generally when conditions are bad; which is also when the consumer stuff (laptop, iPad, etc) is going to fail. Then your investment is worthless. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 9, 2015, at 9:07 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Any thoughts on the reliability of the Furuno unit itself? It's a bit of an oddity but has been on the market for a while. Radar is not a critical function to me (except when it is) but I view this more of an offshore tool than anything else. Just my opinion which I'm sure most would disagree with. On August 9, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, John. No, you’re not crazy; just be careful with mixing and matching equipment from different vendors. And as long as you’re putting in modern electronics, there’s no reason I can think of to NOT integrate all of them together; you get benefits like autopilot steering to wind angle or to waypoints; and the ability to repeat GPS, wind, depth and other data out to WiFi if you’re so equipped. And as far as not having a knot meter, that means you lose the ability to correlate the GPS and boat data to determine if you’re dealing with current set and drift, which can be very helpful. Only you know what you’d really like to have; but I would at minimum do a full instrument install, and my preference would be for the i70 Sail Pack system if you’re looking at Raymarine. If you go with the Furuno black box radar, you’re completely blind if your iPad dies. I’m a fan of having dedicated marine electronics for functions you consider critical; if radar falls into that category, I’d think twice about that setup. If the current BG autopilot system works well, there’s no reason to replace it; if it takes NMEA0183 data in, I’d definitely convert that from NMEA2000 so it can talk with other gear as mentioned above. If you’d like AIS receive only, consider putting in a VHF radio like the Standard Horizon GX2200, which has separate AIS receivers built in, and can pass that info on to other equipment. If you’d like to be seen as well, there are a bunch of choices in AIS Class B transponders; I’d recommend one after you nail down the rest of the equipment, so it plays well with everything else. And finally, chartplotters. I can see no reason to put in a Raymarine GPS receiver just to give GPS to other gear. If you’re NOT going to do a plotter (see notes about reliability of iPad and radar…), putting in an AIS-enabled VHF can get you position data just as well. I’d suggest, though, that you look at the new small MFDs that Simrad, BG, Raymarine and Garmin have out. Under $1000, and you can attach radar, AIS, instruments, etc to get a fully marine-capable system that runs off your boat’s batteries (no limited iPad battery life, which ALWAYS seems to fail when you need it most…). I’ll be interested to see what others recommend. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug
Re: Stus-List Electronics upgrade now Luddite Alert!
Truly. As I found out last year when passing through a bridge. Some magnetic interference probably caused by cables crossing the channel caused my wheel pilot to turn sharply to port. Had I not quickly disengaged it, it could have been ugly. Dennis C. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2015, at 10:42 AM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: To drill down a wee bit deeper vis a vis autopilots and interfaces. Call me a Luddite, but I have never been a fan of plotters directly (or blindly) feeding autopilots when there are strong variables (wind, current, etc) involved. I like to be the interface so I know what is going on in case all the electronics goes down. And they will. At the worst possible time. David F. Risch 1980-40-2 (401) 419-4650 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics upgrade now Luddite Alert!
... Argh yes! I carry a VHF/DSC/GPS and knife on me as I single hand... however ... Getting close to the Raymarine 2000+ causes it to lust after them ... Don V34 NCYC On Aug 11, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: magnetic interference probably caused by cables crossing the channel caused my wheel pilot to turn sharply to port ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics upgrade now Luddite Alert!
To drill down a wee bit deeper vis a vis autopilots and interfaces. Call me a Luddite, but I have never been a fan of plotters directly (or blindly) feeding autopilots when there are strong variables (wind, current, etc) involved. I like to be the interface so I know what is going on in case all the electronics goes down. And they will. At the worst possible time. David F. Risch 1980-40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:30:34 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics upgrade From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: joel.aron...@gmail.com Fred, You gave the definitive answer! I agree you want data to be shared but the displays to work independently of each other so if, for example, the radar display fails you can still get data on the plotter etc. Also, the autopilot should be connected to the plotter, especially if you sail in an area with strong currents. Joel On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Not too many listers chiming in on this topic. Anyone? Is everyone else out sailing? Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: John — like most Furuno gear, I imagine the black-box radar is pretty reliable. My concern is with the other gear needed to use it. If you’re going to spend that much on buying and installing a system, you want it to work when you need it. And that’s generally when conditions are bad; which is also when the consumer stuff (laptop, iPad, etc) is going to fail. Then your investment is worthless. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 9, 2015, at 9:07 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Any thoughts on the reliability of the Furuno unit itself? It's a bit of an oddity but has been on the market for a while. Radar is not a critical function to me (except when it is) but I view this more of an offshore tool than anything else. Just my opinion which I'm sure most would disagree with. On August 9, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi, John. No, you’re not crazy; just be careful with mixing and matching equipment from different vendors. And as long as you’re putting in modern electronics, there’s no reason I can think of to NOT integrate all of them together; you get benefits like autopilot steering to wind angle or to waypoints; and the ability to repeat GPS, wind, depth and other data out to WiFi if you’re so equipped. And as far as not having a knot meter, that means you lose the ability to correlate the GPS and boat data to determine if you’re dealing with current set and drift, which can be very helpful. Only you know what you’d really like to have; but I would at minimum do a full instrument install, and my preference would be for the i70 Sail Pack system if you’re looking at Raymarine. If you go with the Furuno black box radar, you’re completely blind if your iPad dies. I’m a fan of having dedicated marine electronics for functions you consider critical; if radar falls into that category, I’d think twice about that setup. If the current BG autopilot system works well, there’s no reason to replace it; if it takes NMEA0183 data in, I’d definitely convert that from NMEA2000 so it can talk with other gear as mentioned above. If you’d like AIS receive only, consider putting in a VHF radio like the Standard Horizon GX2200, which has separate AIS receivers built in, and can pass that info on to other equipment. If you’d like to be seen as well, there are a bunch of choices in AIS Class B transponders; I’d recommend one after you nail down the rest of the equipment, so it plays well with everything else. And finally, chartplotters. I can see no reason to put in a Raymarine GPS receiver just to give GPS to other gear. If you’re NOT going to do a plotter (see notes about reliability of iPad and radar…), putting in an AIS-enabled VHF can get you position data just as well. I’d suggest, though, that you look at the new small MFDs that Simrad, BG, Raymarine and Garmin have out. Under $1000, and you can attach radar, AIS, instruments, etc to get a fully marine-capable system that runs off your boat’s batteries (no limited iPad battery life, which ALWAYS seems to fail when you need it most…). I’ll be interested to see what others recommend. Fred Street -- MinneapolisS/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Aug 9, 2015, at 4:30 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The basic electronics (bg h1000 system) on Paws have been a challenge since I first got her. Intermittent failures at the start of each season. Now depth has failed and of all things it appears to be the transducer. I'm debating modernizing. Please tell me if I'm crazy. A little background:
