Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30
David I do exactly that on my M4-30. I use a small impeller drill pump. First I take the cap off the drain hose and feed the hose down lower towards the base of the oil sump and then forward as far as it will reach to where I attach the inlet hose to the drill pump directly to that drain hose, a snug friction fit that holds the vacuum created by the drill pump, about 1/2 inch inside diameter hose to the pump. I put the outlet hose from the pump into a 4 liter plastic used oil container. ...always run the engine first for several minutes to warm the oil which makes it flow easier...works real good and before removing the filter I make a drain tray by shaping several layers of old newspaper to fit neatly like a catch basin below the filter to catch the oil that always escapes when the filter is removed. That newspaper catch tray and a few strategically placed rags effectively catches the black used oil mess before it contaminates the bilge when removing the filter and that makes for a neat clean oil change. I also cover the cabin sole with newspaper in the areas close to where I am working just in case of spills and there always seem to be a few drops that escape regardless of how careful I am with disconnecting and packing up my drill pump gear for next time, and all that gear gets wrapped in old rags and newspaper and stored double bag in plastic until next time. I have been doing my oil changes this way for years with the same gear and I think I have pretty much perfected the process on my boat. Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:05 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Chuck- I think I have the drain fitting so it is not leaking. It would > be really nice when I want to do an oil change if I could hook up a vacuum > pump to the brass fitting on the end of the hose to pump the oil out. Have > you seen anything that will do that? My pump has nylon tubing and no end > fittings and no way I can see to add a threaded attachment. Thanks- Dave > > On Oct 27, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List > wrote: > > David, > Bright light and a mirror. Lay mirror under the pan and shine the light > and check for a leak. It might be time for a new drain hose? > > FYI, Mine came with the drain hose setup. The hose has a nice brass > ferrel with plug. The plug has a hole in it and that gets Tie-Wrapped to > something above the starboard engine mount that has a hole in it. Very > secure. I added something similar to my lawn mower to ease changing the > oil. Sweet. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > -- > *From: *"David Knecht via CnC-List" > *To: *"CnC CnC discussion list" > *Cc: *"David Knecht" > *Sent: *Tuesday, October 27, 2015 12:32:56 PM > *Subject: *Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30 > > I moved my boat to its winter home yesterday and then tried to change to > oil after I arrived. I had no issues along the way- engine stayed cool and > ran smoothly. However, I got almost no oil out of the pan and the dipstick > showed it was below the low point. I am thankful that this did not destroy > my engine but now have to figure out what to do. I noticed some oil in the > bilge in the spring so cleaned up and put 2 oil absorbing sheets in the > space under the engine and one in the bilge. My boat came from the PO with > a hose attached to the oil pan drain plug so I could remove the cap from > the hose and run a thin tube into the hose to suck the oil out. I thought > that I had not tightened the drain plug under the oil pan when I changed > the oil last year and thought that was the cause of the leak. The pads > under the engine now have oil in them and I added a quart of oil to the > engine a month ago when I checked and it was low. It is still possible > that the drain is the source of the leak, but the leak is slow enough that > I am having trouble verifying the actual site. Has anyone had this problem > with a Universal M4-30 or similar engine? Of course I am concerned that I > might be burning the oil, but the pads underneath with oil in them leads me > to think it is a leak. Still, I am not sure I can account for several > missing quarts of oil in the pads. Dave > > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > Dr. David Knecht > Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology > Core Microscopy Facility Director > University of Co
Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30
Hi Chuck- I think I have the drain fitting so it is not leaking. It would be really nice when I want to do an oil change if I could hook up a vacuum pump to the brass fitting on the end of the hose to pump the oil out. Have you seen anything that will do that? My pump has nylon tubing and no end fittings and no way I can see to add a threaded attachment. Thanks- Dave On Oct 27, 2015, at 5:54 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > David, > Bright light and a mirror. Lay mirror under the pan and shine the light and > check for a leak. It might be time for a new drain hose? > > FYI, Mine came with the drain hose setup. The hose has a nice brass ferrel > with plug. The plug has a hole in it and that gets Tie-Wrapped to something > above the starboard engine mount that has a hole in it. Very secure. I > added something similar to my lawn mower to ease changing the oil. Sweet. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "David Knecht via CnC-List" > To: "CnC CnC discussion list" > Cc: "David Knecht" > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 12:32:56 PM > Subject: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30 > > I moved my boat to its winter home yesterday and then tried to change to oil > after I arrived. I had no issues along the way- engine stayed cool and ran > smoothly. However, I got almost no oil out of the pan and the dipstick > showed it was below the low point. I am thankful that this did not destroy > my engine but now have to figure out what to do. I noticed some oil in the > bilge in the spring so cleaned up and put 2 oil absorbing sheets in the space > under the engine and one in the bilge. My boat came from the PO with a hose > attached to the oil pan drain plug so I could remove the cap from the hose > and run a thin tube into the hose to suck the oil out. I thought that I had > not tightened the drain plug under the oil pan when I changed the oil last > year and thought that was the cause of the leak. The pads under the engine > now have oil in them and I added a quart of oil to the engine a month ago > when I checked and it was low. It is still possible that the drain is the > source of the leak, but the leak is slow enough that I am having trouble > verifying the actual site. Has anyone had this problem with a Universal > M4-30 or similar engine? Of course I am concerned that I might be burning > the oil, but the pads underneath with oil in them leads me to think it is a > leak. Still, I am not sure I can account for several missing quarts of oil > in the pads. Dave > > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > Dr. David Knecht Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology Core Microscopy Facility Director University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. Storrs, CT 06269 860-486-2200 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30
Hi David, Can you take a picture with your cell phone? Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "David Knecht via CnC-List" To: "CnC CnC discussion list" Cc: "David Knecht" Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 11:15:57 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30 I had a chance to take a closer look at my oil leak the other day. It appears to be coming from the drain attachment to the oil pan. I think it is between the oil pan and the drain, not the drain tube attachment. However, I can’t see what the fitting looks like or how the whole thing is attached and sealed to the pan. Do I have to take the oil pan off to get to it, or does the drain fitting come off separately? Does anyone have a picture of what the fitting looks like? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30
I had a chance to take a closer look at my oil leak the other day. It appears to be coming from the drain attachment to the oil pan. I think it is between the oil pan and the drain, not the drain tube attachment. However, I can’t see what the fitting looks like or how the whole thing is attached and sealed to the pan. Do I have to take the oil pan off to get to it, or does the drain fitting come off separately? Does anyone have a picture of what the fitting looks like? Thanks- Dave Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30
David, Bright light and a mirror. Lay mirror under the pan and shine the light and check for a leak. It might be time for a new drain hose? FYI, Mine came with the drain hose setup. The hose has a nice brass ferrel with plug. The plug has a hole in it and that gets Tie-Wrapped to something above the starboard engine mount that has a hole in it. Very secure. I added something similar to my lawn mower to ease changing the oil. Sweet. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "David Knecht via CnC-List" To: "CnC CnC discussion list" Cc: "David Knecht" Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 12:32:56 PM Subject: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30 I moved my boat to its winter home yesterday and then tried to change to oil after I arrived. I had no issues along the way- engine stayed cool and ran smoothly. However, I got almost no oil out of the pan and the dipstick showed it was below the low point. I am thankful that this did not destroy my engine but now have to figure out what to do. I noticed some oil in the bilge in the spring so cleaned up and put 2 oil absorbing sheets in the space under the engine and one in the bilge. My boat came from the PO with a hose attached to the oil pan drain plug so I could remove the cap from the hose and run a thin tube into the hose to suck the oil out. I thought that I had not tightened the drain plug under the oil pan when I changed the oil last year and thought that was the cause of the leak. The pads under the engine now have oil in them and I added a quart of oil to the engine a month ago when I checked and it was low. It is still possible that the drain is the source of the leak, but the leak is slow enough that I am having trouble verifying the actual site. Has anyone had this problem with a Universal M4-30 or similar engine? Of course I am concerned that I might be burning the oil, but the pads underneath with oil in them leads me to think it is a leak. Still, I am not sure I can account for several missing quarts of oil in the pads. Dave Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30
My father-in-law toasted an engine owing to the pin hole oil pan leak issue. That plus he did not check the oil often enough. The engine was +-35 yrs. old in a 80 yr. old classic wood powerboat. Most engine manufacturers allow for the possibility of a small amount of lube oil consumption being “normal”. Calypso’s 20 yr. old 2,000 hour 4-108 uses about ½ quart every 40 hours and leaks another ½ quart in the same time. The leakage went up when I mistakenly used Delo 400 instead of the intended Delo 100. The difference seems to be the % of detergent with the 400 formulated for engines with turbochargers. The extra detergent cleaned out all the goo that keeps the Perkins leaks to a minimum. To reduce the risk of pin hole in the oil pan I change the oil after each season to reduce the amount of combustion related acids in the oil. With salts from the outside and acids in the oil on the inside old oil pans don’t stand a chance. The Perkins 4-108 also needs to have its valve cover bolts tightened from time to time. That oil leak often shows first down the back of the cylinder head. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Seattle [Description: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Russell via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 10:39 AM To: C&C List Cc: Gary Russell Subject: Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30 Consider the possibility that the oil pan has a pinhole rusted in it. A small amount of salt water in the oil is all you need. Gary S/V High Maintenance '90 C&C 37 Plus East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:32 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I moved my boat to its winter home yesterday and then tried to change to oil after I arrived. I had no issues along the way- engine stayed cool and ran smoothly. However, I got almost no oil out of the pan and the dipstick showed it was below the low point. I am thankful that this did not destroy my engine but now have to figure out what to do. I noticed some oil in the bilge in the spring so cleaned up and put 2 oil absorbing sheets in the space under the engine and one in the bilge. My boat came from the PO with a hose attached to the oil pan drain plug so I could remove the cap from the hose and run a thin tube into the hose to suck the oil out. I thought that I had not tightened the drain plug under the oil pan when I changed the oil last year and thought that was the cause of the leak. The pads under the engine now have oil in them and I added a quart of oil to the engine a month ago when I checked and it was low. It is still possible that the drain is the source of the leak, but the leak is slow enough that I am having trouble verifying the actual site. Has anyone had this problem with a Universal M4-30 or similar engine? Of course I am concerned that I might be burning the oil, but the pads underneath with oil in them leads me to think it is a leak. Still, I am not sure I can account for several missing quarts of oil in the pads. Dave Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT [Description: cid:image002.png@01D110A5.1E39D590] ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30
A friend of mine recently got a double whammy because of an oil leak in the pan: He was motoring down the ICW from his home port when the engine slowly died and would not start. Since he was heading for Cape Lookout, NC in July, he expected a lot of motoring so he had checked his oil level before he left and it was OK. Got a tow back to his slip and with his holiday plans messed up left the boat for home.(#1). Came back and pumped his bilge out before he realized it was filled with oil (#2). Paid ~ $1000 to marina for oil spill clean-up and his mechanic said his engine was seized, likely since it had zero oil in it. Now looking at ~ $15000 to replace with a new Beta-38. Moral: find the source of this leak and seal it before you do anything else, unless the boat is sinking from under you! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Cc: Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2015 1:43 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30 In the oil or UNDER the pan. They can rust out from outside-in too. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Gary Russell via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 1:39 PM To: C&C List Cc: Gary Russell Subject: Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30 Consider the possibility that the oil pan has a pinhole rusted in it. A small amount of salt water in the oil is all you need. Gary S/V High Maintenance '90 C&C 37 Plus East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:32 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List wrote: I moved my boat to its winter home yesterday and then tried to change to oil after I arrived. I had no issues along the way- engine stayed cool and ran smoothly. However, I got almost no oil out of the pan and the dipstick showed it was below the low point. I am thankful that this did not destroy my engine but now have to figure out what to do. I noticed some oil in the bilge in the spring so cleaned up and put 2 oil absorbing sheets in the space under the engine and one in the bilge. My boat came from the PO with a hose attached to the oil pan drain plug so I could remove the cap from the hose and run a thin tube into the hose to suck the oil out. I thought that I had not tightened the drain plug under the oil pan when I changed the oil last year and thought that was the cause of the leak. The pads under the engine now have oil in them and I added a quart of oil to the engine a month ago when I checked and it was low. It is still possible that the drain is the source of the leak, but the leak is slow enough that I am having trouble verifying the actual site. Has anyone had this problem with a Universal M4-30 or similar engine? Of course I am concerned that I might be burning the oil, but the pads underneath with oil in them leads me to think it is a leak. Still, I am not sure I can account for several missing quarts of oil in the pads. Dave Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30
In the oil or UNDER the pan. They can rust out from outside-in too. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Russell via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 1:39 PM To: C&C List Cc: Gary Russell Subject: Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30 Consider the possibility that the oil pan has a pinhole rusted in it. A small amount of salt water in the oil is all you need. Gary S/V High Maintenance '90 C&C 37 Plus East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:32 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I moved my boat to its winter home yesterday and then tried to change to oil after I arrived. I had no issues along the way- engine stayed cool and ran smoothly. However, I got almost no oil out of the pan and the dipstick showed it was below the low point. I am thankful that this did not destroy my engine but now have to figure out what to do. I noticed some oil in the bilge in the spring so cleaned up and put 2 oil absorbing sheets in the space under the engine and one in the bilge. My boat came from the PO with a hose attached to the oil pan drain plug so I could remove the cap from the hose and run a thin tube into the hose to suck the oil out. I thought that I had not tightened the drain plug under the oil pan when I changed the oil last year and thought that was the cause of the leak. The pads under the engine now have oil in them and I added a quart of oil to the engine a month ago when I checked and it was low. It is still possible that the drain is the source of the leak, but the leak is slow enough that I am having trouble verifying the actual site. Has anyone had this problem with a Universal M4-30 or similar engine? Of course I am concerned that I might be burning the oil, but the pads underneath with oil in them leads me to think it is a leak. Still, I am not sure I can account for several missing quarts of oil in the pads. Dave Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT [cid:image001.png@01D110BD.4CA01D00] ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com<mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Oil leak in M4-30
Consider the possibility that the oil pan has a pinhole rusted in it. A small amount of salt water in the oil is all you need. Gary S/V High Maintenance '90 C&C 37 Plus East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:32 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I moved my boat to its winter home yesterday and then tried to change to > oil after I arrived. I had no issues along the way- engine stayed cool and > ran smoothly. However, I got almost no oil out of the pan and the dipstick > showed it was below the low point. I am thankful that this did not destroy > my engine but now have to figure out what to do. I noticed some oil in the > bilge in the spring so cleaned up and put 2 oil absorbing sheets in the > space under the engine and one in the bilge. My boat came from the PO with > a hose attached to the oil pan drain plug so I could remove the cap from > the hose and run a thin tube into the hose to suck the oil out. I thought > that I had not tightened the drain plug under the oil pan when I changed > the oil last year and thought that was the cause of the leak. The pads > under the engine now have oil in them and I added a quart of oil to the > engine a month ago when I checked and it was low. It is still possible > that the drain is the source of the leak, but the leak is slow enough that > I am having trouble verifying the actual site. Has anyone had this problem > with a Universal M4-30 or similar engine? Of course I am concerned that I > might be burning the oil, but the pads underneath with oil in them leads me > to think it is a leak. Still, I am not sure I can account for several > missing quarts of oil in the pads. Dave > > Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com