Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

That was a poor wording on my part. We have released under
load a few times due to overrides or whatever else happens on
long races when we get tired. Once in the dark I managed to
pull the jib sheet and spin sheet through the turning block.


For headsail changes we put a temporary line on a sail, hoist the
new sail and move the sheet to it then trim in. The old sail may
get released under load.


Michael Brown 

Windburn

C 30-1 



 
 
From: dwight veinot   
 
Open under load...what hapens to the clew. We do lots of headsail changes 
on yhe go the old way i guess never released the clew under load. Can?t 
imagine how that wotks out good still learning i guess 
 
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I was surprised at the loads, and have no idea why there is a difference
to the various load calculators and postings.


Windburn has ARCO 40s as the primary winches. They are similar to the new
offerings with a 6.3:1 second gear ratio and a 3.25" drum diameter.



http://www.arco-winches.com/products/winch/stdi


With a 10" winch handle the power ratio would be


10 x 6.3 / 1.625 = 38.8


Am I correct in extrapolating that with 50 lbs force on the handle 

there would be about 2000 lbs force on the line?


At high winds and full load my best guess is I am developing over
100 lbs of force on the winch handle, hence my guess at 4000 lbs.




My headsail is in the 300 sq ft range and even at 15 knots the load
on the winch handle is well over 20 lbs.


I don't know what the discrepancies are. I originally used calculators
to come up with a load rating and spec'd the rigging to match.
We wore out the turning block in the first year. The 3/8" standard
doublebraid sheet failed at the clew, though we were pounding into
high wind and waves for hours. I upgraded to New England VPC
3/8, good for 6000 lbs, and broke the core where it turns on the
genoa lead car.


>From the Harken site a 300 sq ft sail at 8 knots would have a 83 pound load.
I have no problem pulling 83 pounds and there is no way I can fully pull
in my #1 by hand at 8 knots. If I really got my back into it and pulled as hard
as I could I might get well over 200 pounds, good for 13 knots on the Harken
site. There is no possibility of me trimming the jib by hand at 13 knots.


Am I getting something wrong?


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1






From: "Dennis C."   
 
300 sq. ft of headsail at 20 knots true is about 520 pounds load. 
 
https://www.harken.com/content.aspx?id=9096 
 
Dennis C. 
Touche' 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA 
 
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:08 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List  
wrote: 
 
> 4000 lbs of load on a 30 ft. C?  On what do you base this? 
> 
> Sorry if I seem incredulous... 
> 
 

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 22:46:23 -0500 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford"  

 
That didn?t sound right to me, either. 
 
From: bwhitmore via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 8:07 PM 


4000 lbs of load on a 30 ft. C?  On what do you base this? 
 
Sorry if I seem incredulous... 
 
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

That didn’t sound right to me, either.

From: bwhitmore via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 8:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: bwhitmore 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

4000 lbs of load on a 30 ft. C?  On what do you base this?

Sorry if I seem incredulous...




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 Original message 
From: Michael Brown via CnC-List  
Date: 11/9/18 5:54 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets? 

I am using the Tylaska #8 J-Locks with a core dependent eye splice.
The sheets gets loaded over 4000 pounds but I have not had an issue.
The lock will open under load and we have done sail changes in
high winds without having to tack or de-power.

They may have more appeal for racing where a bowline weakens the
load value of the line and sail changes in inclimate weather always seems
to be part of the fun. Not for everyone but they do work.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1






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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

300 sq. ft of headsail at 20 knots true is about 520 pounds load.

https://www.harken.com/content.aspx?id=9096

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:08 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List 
wrote:

> 4000 lbs of load on a 30 ft. C?  On what do you base this?
>
> Sorry if I seem incredulous...
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
> Date: 11/9/18 5:54 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Michael Brown 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?
>
> I am using the Tylaska #8 J-Locks with a core dependent eye splice.
> The sheets gets loaded over 4000 pounds but I have not had an issue.
> The lock will open under load and we have done sail changes in
> high winds without having to tack or de-power.
>
> They may have more appeal for racing where a bowline weakens the
> load value of the line and sail changes in inclimate weather always seems
> to be part of the fun. Not for everyone but they do work.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

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4000 lbs of load on a 30 ft. C?  On what do you base this?Sorry if I seem 
incredulous...Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Michael Brown via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/9/18  5:54 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Michael Brown  Subject: Re: Stus-List 
Shackle for Genoa Sheets? I am using the Tylaska #8 J-Locks with a core 
dependent eye splice.The sheets gets loaded over 4000 pounds but I have not had 
an issue.The lock will open under load and we have done sail changes inhigh 
winds without having to tack or de-power.They may have more appeal for racing 
where a bowline weakens theload value of the line and sail changes in inclimate 
weather always seemsto be part of the fun. Not for everyone but they do 
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Open under load...what hapens to the clew. We do lots of headsail changes
on yhe go the old way i guess never released the clew under load. Can’t
imagine how that wotks out good still learning i guess

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 6:50 PM Michael Brown via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am using the Tylaska #8 J-Locks with a core dependent eye splice.
> The sheets gets loaded over 4000 pounds but I have not had an issue.
> The lock will open under load and we have done sail changes in
> high winds without having to tack or de-power.
>
> They may have more appeal for racing where a bowline weakens the
> load value of the line and sail changes in inclimate weather always seems
> to be part of the fun. Not for everyone but they do work.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C 30-1
>
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I am using the Tylaska #8 J-Locks with a core dependent eye splice.
The sheets gets loaded over 4000 pounds but I have not had an issue.
The lock will open under load and we have done sail changes in
high winds without having to tack or de-power.


They may have more appeal for racing where a bowline weakens the
load value of the line and sail changes in inclimate weather always seems
to be part of the fun. Not for everyone but they do work.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1




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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I would use this.
http://www.apsltd.com/t-ball-bail-5-32.html

Choose the right size for your rope selection.  I would choose something
like 5/32 or 3/16 amsteel.
http://www.apsltd.com/hardware/wire-and-wire-fittings/t-ball-fittings-and-plates-j-hooks.html

Use a locked brummel splice and luggage tag it on to the fitting.  A locked
brumell at the other end should work well too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theriggingco.com/2014/08/01/not-all-t-terminals-are-created-equal/amp/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 11:33 AM Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

> Matthew-  what did you use for a mast fitting at the top of your babystay
> line?
>
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> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Matthew L.
> Wolford via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 8, 2018 7:17 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets
>
> On my 34, I rarely used the babystay, but did so occasionally for rough
> conditions so I did not want to get rid of it.  Because it was constantly
> in the way, I replaced the wire stay with a heavy-load, low-stretch line
> (much easier to deal with).  It seemed to work just as well.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

  
  


Matthew-  what did you use for a mast fitting at the top of your 
babystay line?


Get Outlook for iOS

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Wolford via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 7:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets On my 34, I rarely used the 
babystay, but did so occasionally for rough conditions so I did not want to get 
rid of it.  Because it was constantly in the way, I replaced the wire stay with 
a heavy-load, low-stretch line (much easier to deal with).  It seemed to work 
just as well.  



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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

On my 34, I rarely used the babystay, but did so occasionally for rough 
conditions so I did not want to get rid of it.  Because it was constantly in 
the way, I replaced the wire stay with a heavy-load, low-stretch line (much 
easier to deal with).  It seemed to work just as well. 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 7:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa sheets

Baby stays are nothing but trouble more adjustments and totatly in the way of 
everything else some C designs dont have them and some older designs have 
single spreaders and no check stays. Keeps sailing simple and just as good and 
just as fast like my 35  mkII i dare you to keep with me around the course. KISS



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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Wade Glew via CnC-List]

this looks good Josh though I fear the Alpine Butterfly knot would catch on
my baby stay the same way my continuous genoa sheet (secured to clew with
luggage tag knot) does now.  I would love to remove the baby stay but I
can't find any information on rig stability if I were to do so.  Any
opinions/wisdom from listers regarding giving the baby the boot?

Wade
Oh Boy C 33 MKII
Lake of the Woods

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:32 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I haven't had to replace my jibsheets.  When I do this is how I'll do it.
>
>
> https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 3:57 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If
>> so, how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> City Island, NY
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[schiller via CnC-List]

After buying a sheet and halyard kit from Cajun Ropes that came with 
loose ends, I have attached them with halyard knots and never had a hang 
up on shrouds or baby stays.  The only thing that we get hung up on 
occasion is the forward hatch.  I have found the halyard knot to be much 
better than bowlines anduse them for the main outhaul and reefing line 
as well.  On our old Redwing 35, we had a continuous jib sheet with a 
luggage tag knot.  Both boats have separate spinnaker sheets so all we 
have to do is collect them up and tie them up on the bow pulpit.


Neil Schiller
1983 C 35-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
WLYC
All covered up and tucked in before the snow flies this week.

On 11/7/2018 8:46 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List wrote:

No Edd...

Shackles flying across the deck in tack or having the shackle scar 
your dodger are not good things.


I learned to do an eye splice and went from knots to eyes and a single 
soft shackle.  Slick looking and no more having the sheets hang up on 
the baby stay either.


Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


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Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? 
If so, how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Like others, I use soft shackles.  Touche' has double lower shrouds.
Bowline knots always hung up on the forward lower shrouds.  Soft shackles
eliminated the problem.  Got them from apsltd.  See:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsMU9xOXBVd3F5Slk

I just bought another one for attaching a spring line to the toe rail.  Got
it off eBay.  They're so cheap on eBay it isn't worth making my own.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:57 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so,
> how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?
>
>
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[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Baby stays are nothing but trouble more adjustments and totatly in the way
of everything else some C designs dont have them and some older designs
have single spreaders and no check stays. Keeps sailing simple and just as
good and just as fast like my 35  mkII i dare you to keep with me around
the course. KISS

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 6:09 PM John Conklin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks Len,
> Unfortunately I just purchased two new headsail lines ( 11mm VPC) I
> thought they would come nicely cut trimmed, sealed, taped, something but
> they were literally hacked off frayed and I had to waste 6” cut and seal
> myself lesson learned  I really wish I went with one long piece as now I
> could do the butterfly knot or just cut myself and have a nice slice done
> to attach to the soft shackle
> Been a year of learning for me :) but all good ! Good news most of the
> goodies are finally done and I will sail this winter in NC if it’s over 50
> degrees F :)
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
>
> > On Nov 7, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > John, the 37+ has a baby stay in front of the mast that a metal shackle
> or a knot sometimes gets caught on. Soft shackles work great. Your 1/2 inch
> sheet is good for about 10,000#. 1/4 inch dyneema core made into a soft
> shackle about 12,000#
> > Give or take plenty strong enough. You do need loops in the sheets to
> make it work. Like others had said easy to make. Before I bought a fid set
> I used a bic pen as a fid and made a dozen while watching a hockey game.
> > Len Mitchell
> > Crazy Legs
> > 1989 37+
> > Midland On.
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[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Thanks Len,
Unfortunately I just purchased two new headsail lines ( 11mm VPC) I thought 
they would come nicely cut trimmed, sealed, taped, something but they were 
literally hacked off frayed and I had to waste 6” cut and seal myself lesson 
learned  I really wish I went with one long piece as now I could do the 
butterfly knot or just cut myself and have a nice slice done to attach to the 
soft shackle 
Been a year of learning for me :) but all good ! Good news most of the goodies 
are finally done and I will sail this winter in NC if it’s over 50 degrees F :) 

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon 

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Len Mitchell via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> John, the 37+ has a baby stay in front of the mast that a metal shackle or a 
> knot sometimes gets caught on. Soft shackles work great. Your 1/2 inch sheet 
> is good for about 10,000#. 1/4 inch dyneema core made into a soft shackle 
> about 12,000#
> Give or take plenty strong enough. You do need loops in the sheets to make it 
> work. Like others had said easy to make. Before I bought a fid set I used a 
> bic pen as a fid and made a dozen while watching a hockey game. 
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On. 
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Thomas Delaney via CnC-List]

Hi Edd,

I used a single set of homemade soft shackles all season long. I bought a
set of fids and a 100ft spool of 4mm UHMWPE cord on Amazon, and spent the
winter making dozens of them. I tried two different styles and ended up
like the one at the following link the best http://l-36.com/soft_shackle_howto.php> I'll bring a handful to the EBYRA
brunch so you can check them out.

As everyone is saying, they haven't hung on the shrouds at all and have
been a huge improvement in simplicity.

Best,
Tom

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City Island, NY

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Bcc:
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:21:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Ditto soft shackle.. Make your own, good winter evening project...plenty of
videos on line.
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi.
(Winter Cincinnati, Ohio)

Bill Walker
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On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Edd, I went to the "soft shackle" last year and love it...I have have not
had a single (not one) line hang on the shrouds using the soft shackle...I
have been pleased with the lack of maintenance required also...;

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596:

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 3:57 pm
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so,
how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I haven't had to replace my jibsheets.  When I do this is how I'll do it.

https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 3:57 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so,
> how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Our man Josh has an excellent video on this !



From: CnC-List  on behalf of WILLIAM WALKER via 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:21:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: WILLIAM WALKER
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?


Ditto soft shackle.. Make your own, good winter evening project...plenty of 
videos on line.
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi.
(Winter Cincinnati, Ohio)

Bill Walker



On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Edd, I went to the "soft shackle" last year and love it...I have have not had a 
single (not one) line hang on the shrouds using the soft shackle...I have been 
pleased with the lack of maintenance required also...;

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596:

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Edd Schillay mailto:e...@schillay.com>>
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 3:57 pm
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
Log<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fenterpriseb.blogspot.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Cd74c831ba3b2424ea6a508d644f72338%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636772225562656519=yY4837T4xVgfTdM3hOoxvyHSuPzoJzRI536BG4FHFGg%3D=0>








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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

So with the soft Shackle ( which I use for tying off to the mid toerail  and 
works amazing even in Florence! ) what size line ? (Dyneema?) Is best for the  
head sail on  a 37,  and are you using a splice on the sheet? If tying a knot 
for soft shackle why Knot just tie sheet to clew  ? Any one have any pics of 
the softees in action on the genny  sheets?

Thanks !

John  C
S/V Halcyon
Oriental NC


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Ken Heaton via 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:03:22 PM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ken Heaton
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

I don't think a metal shackle ‎on the jib clew is a good idea. Think about how 
much damage that can do when the sail is flogging, damage to the boat or the 
crew.

A soft shackle would work though.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?


Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's 
Log<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fenterpriseb.blogspot.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Cca0280a7ea424c5d84ba08d644f48e6b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636772214476746079=ePLxydvaFsYajdZnXiyiCuybe2XhWgckb%2B%2FKsvSFNFk%3D=0>









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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Ditto soft shackle.. Make your own, good winter evening project...plenty of 
videos on line.
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi.
(Winter Cincinnati, Ohio)

Bill Walker 

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Edd, I went to the "soft shackle" last year and love it...I have have not had a 
single (not one) line hang on the shrouds using the soft shackle...I have been 
pleased with the lack of maintenance required also...;


Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596:


Richard N. Bush 

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

502-584-7255



-Original Message-

From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 3:57 pm
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers, 


Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength? 


All the best,


Edd



Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log











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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Hi Edd,
 I use soft shackles.  They hurt a lot less when you get hit in the
head with them.
Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:57 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so,
> how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

[T power via CnC-List]

I use a soft shackle, works awesome, no worry about chafe.

Cheers.

Get Outlook for Android


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:56:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers,

Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log








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[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

  I don't think a metal shackle ‎on the jib clew is a good idea. Think about how much damage that can do when the sail is flogging, damage to the boat or the crew.A soft shackle would work though.Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.From: Edd Schillay via CnC-ListSent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 4:57 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Edd SchillaySubject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?Listers,Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how big? What type? What kind of breaking strength? 
All the best,EddEdd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log	

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[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Edd, I went to the "soft shackle" last year and love it...I have have not had 
a single (not one) line hang on the shrouds using the soft shackle...I have 
been pleased with the lack of maintenance required also...;
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596:

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 3:57 pm
Subject: Stus-List Shackle for Genoa Sheets?

Listers,
Does anyone use a shackle for their genoa sheets instead of a knot? If so, how 
big? What type? What kind of breaking strength? 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log





 

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