Stus-List Diesel in bilge - Update
Recreated the situation by over filling my fuel tank again right to the deckclimbed into the lazarette with tools/lights and observed.small amount of diesel leaking at the hose - tank connection..approx. 4 complete turns on the two SS hose clamp screws and the leak stopped. Mystery solved! A few years back, I had a similar issue with antifreeze in the bilge.turns out one of the antifreeze bleed screws on the engine had come loose and simply needed tightening. If only all boat issues were this simple. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2017-08-01 10:22 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different liquids then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at the club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how much diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, I filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it may have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the overfill hose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Diesel in bilge
Check the ground wire on top on the tank connect to the fuel gauge. That is what was wrong with mine Mike PERSUASION C&C 37 K/CB Long Sault > On Aug 2, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List > wrote: > > FWIW, I also re-fuel using 5-gallon cans unless I’m going on a long trip. I > try to plan it so I use up older fuel each season. Has worked so far, but my > fuel gauge stopped working this season and I’m starting to get a little > nervous about how much is in there. > > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 3:30 PM > To: C&C List > Cc: Josh Muckley > Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel in bilge > > Remember too that if there is fuel in the fill hose that there is fuel in the > vent hose. Often times the vent hose isn't inspected or replaced at the same > periodicity. > > Main Sailor did some experimenting with fuel tanks and condensation. FWIW he > did not find that any more condensation accumulated in a partial tank. As > such I take a different approach to fueling my boat. Typically I won't use > the entire 40 gallon capacity of my tank in a single year. So unless I'm > going on a long trip I only fuel up with 10 to 15 gallons. I try to plan it > so that I can fill via jerry cans through a filter funnel. At roughly 1 > gallon per hour I know that I'm good for 10+ hours at full load. It only > takes about 30 minutes to motor out and motor in so I get a minimum of 10 day > sails between fill ups and that is very conservative. By filling in this > manner my fuel always stays fresh and any minor contaminants will get diluted > by the next fill up. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > >> On Aug 1, 2017 9:23 AM, "robert via CnC-List" wrote: >> Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel >> fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid >> there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first >> in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different liquids >> then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at the >> club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how much >> diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, I >> filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it may >> have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the >> overfillhose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so >> the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? >> >> Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? >> >> Rob Abbott >> AZURA >> C&C 32 - 84 >> Halifax, N.S. >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Diesel in bilge
FWIW, I also re-fuel using 5-gallon cans unless I’m going on a long trip. I try to plan it so I use up older fuel each season. Has worked so far, but my fuel gauge stopped working this season and I’m starting to get a little nervous about how much is in there. From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 3:30 PM To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel in bilge Remember too that if there is fuel in the fill hose that there is fuel in the vent hose. Often times the vent hose isn't inspected or replaced at the same periodicity. Main Sailor did some experimenting with fuel tanks and condensation. FWIW he did not find that any more condensation accumulated in a partial tank. As such I take a different approach to fueling my boat. Typically I won't use the entire 40 gallon capacity of my tank in a single year. So unless I'm going on a long trip I only fuel up with 10 to 15 gallons. I try to plan it so that I can fill via jerry cans through a filter funnel. At roughly 1 gallon per hour I know that I'm good for 10+ hours at full load. It only takes about 30 minutes to motor out and motor in so I get a minimum of 10 day sails between fill ups and that is very conservative. By filling in this manner my fuel always stays fresh and any minor contaminants will get diluted by the next fill up. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 1, 2017 9:23 AM, "robert via CnC-List" wrote: Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different liquids then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at the club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how much diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, I filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it may have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the overfill hose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Diesel in bilge
I agree Robert, very likely what you suspect Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 10:22 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel > fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid > there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first > in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different liquids > then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at the > club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how much > diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, I > filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it may > have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the > overfill hose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so > the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? > > Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Diesel in bilge
Remember too that if there is fuel in the fill hose that there is fuel in the vent hose. Often times the vent hose isn't inspected or replaced at the same periodicity. Main Sailor did some experimenting with fuel tanks and condensation. FWIW he did not find that any more condensation accumulated in a partial tank. As such I take a different approach to fueling my boat. Typically I won't use the entire 40 gallon capacity of my tank in a single year. So unless I'm going on a long trip I only fuel up with 10 to 15 gallons. I try to plan it so that I can fill via jerry cans through a filter funnel. At roughly 1 gallon per hour I know that I'm good for 10+ hours at full load. It only takes about 30 minutes to motor out and motor in so I get a minimum of 10 day sails between fill ups and that is very conservative. By filling in this manner my fuel always stays fresh and any minor contaminants will get diluted by the next fill up. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 1, 2017 9:23 AM, "robert via CnC-List" wrote: > Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel > fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid > there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first > in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different > liquids then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at > the club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how > much diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, > I filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it > may have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the > overfill hose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so > the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? > > Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Diesel in bilge
Hi, You should take a look at the lines and check for cracks in the Racor housing.. My engine developed loss of power / stalling issues last year and it was related to an air leak, once we started looking at the fuel system in details we found issues everywhere. I'm not kidding. My lift pump was tired, the fuel hoses had small cracks, there was a problem with the one-way valve at the tank (Not needed, I just removed that), and even my Racor housing was cracked so I replaced everything: the lines, the Racor and housing/mounting, the lift pump, the one way valve was removed, all is fresh from the tank to the block and the engine runs fine / the cold starts are much quicker. Good luck with it. Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Diesel in bilge
I just fixed a fuel leak on my engine by replacing the O ring on the secondary filter. I had been having no issues with starting or running the engine, but there was a drip. One thing I do is keep an "oil-sorb" pad under the engine. That does two things; helps me locate any oil drips and stops oil making it into the bilge. Andy C&C 40 Peregrine On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 9:22 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel > fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid > there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first > in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different > liquids then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at > the club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how > much diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, > I filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it > may have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the > overfill hose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so > the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? > > Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Diesel in bilge
Inspect the fill hose. When I first bought Touche' the fill hose was deteriorated. The inner and outer liners had separated. I filled the tank up to the fill so there was fuel standing in the fill hose. It leaked. Dennis C. On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 8:22 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: > Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel > fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid > there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first > in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different > liquids then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at > the club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how > much diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, > I filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it > may have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the > overfill hose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so > the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? > > Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Diesel in bilge
One Spring day, when the temperature rose, I had diesel running down the side of my hull from the vent hose just under rail because I did the same thing, put diesel in the hose leading up to the deck fill..it expanded but it never made its way to the bilge though . Hoping you are right in that it make be a loose connection in a hose. Will burn off about a gallon of diesel today (get the diesel out of the fill hose) and see if the problem goes away. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2017-08-01 10:33 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote: One year I overfilled my diesel tank for winter storage (so that fuel was in the hose leading to the deck fill). Diesel fuel ended up in the bilge, and I discovered that it is tenacious when it comes to seeping through things. Unlike the water in the bilge, the fuel found its way through the C&C smile, which is how I discovered it. I figured it probably worked its way through the hose connecting point. -Original Message- From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 9:22 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Diesel in bilge Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different liquids then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at the club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how much diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, I filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it may have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the overfill hose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Diesel in bilge
One year I overfilled my diesel tank for winter storage (so that fuel was in the hose leading to the deck fill). Diesel fuel ended up in the bilge, and I discovered that it is tenacious when it comes to seeping through things. Unlike the water in the bilge, the fuel found its way through the C&C smile, which is how I discovered it. I figured it probably worked its way through the hose connecting point. -Original Message- From: robert via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 9:22 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: robert Subject: Stus-List Diesel in bilge Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different liquids then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at the club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how much diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, I filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it may have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the overfill hose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Diesel in bilge
Sailed yesterday, got back to the slip, crack open a beer but smell diesel fuel in the cabin. Check the bilge and there is about 500 mls of fluid there..half water and half dieselI take it out with a sponge, first in a clear plastic container where you can clearly see two different liquids then pour it in a plastic bottle to dispose at our recycle depot at the club. The bottle holds 555 mls and it was almost full so I know how much diesel there was. Couldn't find the source yesterday. The other day, I filled the fuel tank, over filled it almost to the deck. Thinking it may have expanded in the heat but it should have gone overboard from the overfill hose. Bottom of fuel tank was dry. No loss of engine power so the fuel line doesn't seem to be leaking. Mystery??? Any ideas where I should concentrate on for the source of it? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
