Re: Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller

2016-01-25 Thread Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
Thanks to everyone for the responses re my tiller.  And thank you Stu for 
checking in.  All is well here, except I haven't been able to get out to my 
boat to try anyone's suggestions!  The roads here in Brooklyn are a mess.  


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Re: Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller

2016-01-22 Thread Russ & Melody via CnC-List 


It looks like your auto-correct changed rudder stock to stalk (like celery).


In Europe it is oft times used as one word, rudderstock.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1



At 11:16 AM 22/01/2016, you wrote:

So based on your description if you were to 
remove the tiller handle where the single bolt 
holds it to the rudder stalk, then you would be 
able to move the stalk side to side?  What about fore and aft?


Based on my current understanding, it sounds 
like the bushings at the deck or hull or both 
are worn.  Many C&Cs simply used Acetyl (Nylon) 
tubes for the stalk to pass through.  Many of 
us have installed grease (zirc) fittings to 
facilitate easier maintenance.  A machine shop 
can easily fabricate new bushings from stock you 
provide.  Removing the old ones may prove 
difficult.  Also when the boat is out of the 
water, you want to drop the rudder to make sure 
that the shaft isn't eroded/corroded.  While 
you're at it make sure the shaft/stalk isn't rotating in the rudder.


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Hi Josh,

Thanks very much.  My apologies.. I should have 
been clearer in my description of the 
issue.  The play is certainly not in the 
attachment of the wood tiller to the metal 
plates or the stock head (option 1 or 2).  That 
would have been too easy.  It is below that in 
what I think is (4) the deck bushing.Â


Thanks again in advance for the help.

Ryan


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Not real clear where the play is.  It looks like there are at least 4
interfaces which need checked to determine the feasibility of reducing the
play.

1 - Wood to metal plates transition on the tiller.

2 - Â Metal plates on tiller to rudder stock head (square).

3 - Rudder stock head (square) to rudder stock (round) .

4 - Rudder stock (round) moving side to side (port/stbd) in the deck
bushing.

Let us know where the play is being experienced and I'm sure someone will
have answers.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller

2016-01-22 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
So based on your description if you were to remove the tiller handle where
the single bolt holds it to the rudder stalk, then you would be able to
move the stalk side to side?  What about fore and aft?

Based on my current understanding, it sounds like the bushings at the deck
or hull or both are worn.  Many C&Cs simply used Acetyl (Nylon) tubes for
the stalk to pass through.  Many of us have installed grease (zirc)
fittings to facilitate easier maintenance.  A machine shop can easily
fabricate new bushings from stock you provide.  Removing the old ones may
prove difficult.  Also when the boat is out of the water, you want to drop
the rudder to make sure that the shaft isn't eroded/corroded.  While you're
at it make sure the shaft/stalk isn't rotating in the rudder.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jan 22, 2016 1:06 PM, "Ryan Doyle via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hi Josh,
>
> Thanks very much.  My apologies.. I should have been clearer in my
> description of the issue.  The play is certainly not in the attachment of
> the wood tiller to the metal plates or the stock head (option 1 or 2).
> That would have been too easy.  It is below that in what I think is (4) the
> deck bushing.
>
> Thanks again in advance for the help.
>
> Ryan
>
>
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> Not real clear where the play is.  It looks like there are at least 4
> interfaces which need checked to determine the feasibility of reducing the
> play.
>
> 1 - Wood to metal plates transition on the tiller.
>
> 2 -  Metal plates on tiller to rudder stock head (square).
>
> 3 - Rudder stock head (square) to rudder stock (round) .
>
> 4 - Rudder stock (round) moving side to side (port/stbd) in the deck
> bushing.
>
> Let us know where the play is being experienced and I'm sure someone will
> have answers.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller

2016-01-22 Thread jhnelson via CnC-List 


It could be at the cockpit sole. If yours is like mine, C&C wasn't terribly 
precise in drilling the hole for the rudder stock to go through. That left very 
little material to support the top bearing bolts laterally and over time the 
glass could have broken out.  A little bit if new glass to rebuild the area and 
you could be good. There are 4 bolts reasonably accessibleFrom below the 
cockpit if you want to pull it off for a look.  Remember to support your 
rudder, as the top bearing and pin is the only thing keeping it in the boat.


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Date: 2016-01-22  14:05  (GMT-04:00) 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller 

Hi Josh,
Thanks very much.  My apologies.. I should have been clearer in my description 
of the issue.  The play is certainly not in the attachment of the wood tiller 
to the metal plates or the stock head (option 1 or 2).  That would have been 
too easy.  It is below that in what I think is (4) the deck bushing. 
Thanks again in advance for the help.
Ryan

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Not real clear where the play is.  It looks like there are at least 4
interfaces which need checked to determine the feasibility of reducing the
play.

1 - Wood to metal plates transition on the tiller.

2 -  Metal plates on tiller to rudder stock head (square).

3 - Rudder stock head (square) to rudder stock (round) .

4 - Rudder stock (round) moving side to side (port/stbd) in the deck
bushing.

Let us know where the play is being experienced and I'm sure someone will
have answers.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD___

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Re: Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller

2016-01-22 Thread Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
Hi Josh,

Thanks very much.  My apologies.. I should have been clearer in my description 
of the issue.  The play is certainly not in the attachment of the wood tiller 
to the metal plates or the stock head (option 1 or 2).  That would have been 
too easy.  It is below that in what I think is (4) the deck bushing. 

Thanks again in advance for the help.

Ryan


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Not real clear where the play is.  It looks like there are at least 4
interfaces which need checked to determine the feasibility of reducing the
play.

1 - Wood to metal plates transition on the tiller.

2 -  Metal plates on tiller to rudder stock head (square).

3 - Rudder stock head (square) to rudder stock (round) .

4 - Rudder stock (round) moving side to side (port/stbd) in the deck
bushing.

Let us know where the play is being experienced and I'm sure someone will
have answers.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD___

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Re: Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller

2016-01-21 Thread Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
On our C&C 27 I ended up with a large fender washer between the tiller and the 
rudder post it was a tight fit, but eliminated a very annoying slop due to a 
very tiny gap that tightening the bolt could not remove ….

Paul Fountain
Perception II
1985 C&C 33-II k/cb
Port Credit Yacht Club

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Hello everyone,

Sorry for the duplicate post if the last one went through!  Just curious if 
anyone has experience tightening a loose tiller on a 30 mki or similar boat.  
My tiller steers the boat just fine, but there is some some noticeable play in 
it from side to side.

Not sure if this is helpful, but there is a photo of my tiller where it meets 
the cockpit sole at the below link.  Thanks in advance for any advice.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGYWxVcnRCOHkteFU/view?usp=docslist_api

Ryan

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Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller

2016-01-21 Thread Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 

> Hello everyone,

> Sorry for the duplicate post if the last one went through!  Just curious if 
> anyone has experience tightening a loose tiller on a 30 mki or similar boat.  
> My tiller steers the boat just fine, but there is some some noticeable play 
> in it from side to side. 
> 
> Not sure if this is helpful, but there is a photo of my tiller where it meets 
> the cockpit sole at the below link.  Thanks in advance for any advice.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGYWxVcnRCOHkteFU/view?usp=docslist_api
> 
> Ryan
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Re: Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller

2016-01-21 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Not real clear where the play is.  It looks like there are at least 4
interfaces which need checked to determine the feasibility of reducing the
play.

1 - Wood to metal plates transition on the tiller.

2 -  Metal plates on tiller to rudder stock head (square).

3 - Rudder stock head (square) to rudder stock (round) .

4 - Rudder stock (round) moving side to side (port/stbd) in the deck
bushing.

Let us know where the play is being experienced and I'm sure someone will
have answers.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jan 21, 2016 1:23 PM, "Ryan Doyle via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Just curious if anyone has experience tightening a loose tiller on a 30
> mki or similar boat.  My tiller steers the boat just fine, but there is
> some some noticeable play in it from side to side.
>
> Not sure if this is helpful, but there is a photo of my tiller where it
> meets the cockpit sole at the below link.  Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGYWxVcnRCOHkteFU/view?usp=docslist_api
>
> Ryan
>
>
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> That could be "Nina."  That's the only blue hull 37+ I know of in the
> PNW.  We looked at her at the RVYC in Vancouver a few years ago when
> shopping for a 37+, before we ended up getting Alera.  I don't know
> about the delamination issue, but as I recall she appeared to have
> been club raced regularly for her entire life, i.e., "rode hard and
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> This boat has been sold. I inquired on it while still for sale.
>
> It appeared in very good shape and had been on the market 2 years
>
> before. I guess it had delamination and the owner took it off the
>
> market, fixed below waterline, left the above waterline alone and
>
> put it back for sale at 79K CDN.
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> It didnt take long to sell this last time.
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Stus-List 1976 30mki - Tightening the tiller

2016-01-21 Thread Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
Hello everyone,

Just curious if anyone has experience tightening a loose tiller on a 30 mki or 
similar boat.  My tiller steers the boat just fine, but there is some some 
noticeable play in it from side to side.  

Not sure if this is helpful, but there is a photo of my tiller where it meets 
the cockpit sole at the below link.  Thanks in advance for any advice.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8g8d5sXYVWGYWxVcnRCOHkteFU/view?usp=docslist_api

Ryan


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> That could be "Nina."  That's the only blue hull 37+ I know of in the 
> PNW.  We looked at her at the RVYC in Vancouver a few years ago when 
> shopping for a 37+, before we ended up getting Alera.  I don't know 
> about the delamination issue, but as I recall she appeared to have 
> been club raced regularly for her entire life, i.e., "rode hard and 
> put away wet!"  But, certainly a good deal at the price.  Maybe we'll 
> get to see her at the C&C RDV this summer...
> 
> Tom B
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 09:55:45 -0700
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>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 93 37+ for sale cheap!
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>> 
>> This boat has been sold. I inquired on it while still for sale.
>> It appeared in very good shape and had been on the market 2 years 
>> before. I guess it had delamination and the owner took it off the 
>> market, fixed below waterline, left the above waterline alone and 
>> put it back for sale at 79K CDN.
>> It didnt take long to sell this last time.
>> David Donnelly?C&C 26 Mistress?
>> 
>> 
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> No it was not Nina. The listing broker could not pronounce the Irish name 
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> There is a very nice "Nina" in Portland with a white hull. Owned by
> Kimberly and Jeff Duvall. They bought her about 2-3 yrs ago?
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>> No it was not Nina. The listing broker could not pronounce the Irish name
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>> David Donnelly
>> C&C 26 Mistress
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