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Wow what a story. One of the appeals of the next gen was the solid glass (mostly) hull, and this had a lot of bearing on my decision to purchase the ‘85 33-2. It was well looked after and the hull and decks are stiff and solid as new. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 27, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Matthew L. Wolford wrote: > > From: "Matthew L. Wolford" > To: "Neil E. Andersen" > Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection > Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:18 PM > > That’s true, Neil. Metal, for example, will set off a moisture meter. If a > staple was left on a piece of balsa coring during construction, for instance, > this will set it off. Water inside the boat sitting in a low spot can also > do it. There was some pine used on my 42 for a structural support that also > set off the meter. It turned out to be perfectly preserved pine (which is > naturally moist). All that said, moisture meters in a skilled person’s hands > will provide information that tapping on the hull and looking for deformities > may not. > > Rob: regarding my 34, I do not know the cause because it had been repaired by > a competent yard before my ownership. The yard owner remembered the boat > because they did a complete peel (down to the glass), made repairs, and put > on a new epoxy coat. Apparently there was a compatibility issue, and the > yard needed to re-do the epoxy coat on its own nickel – which is why he > remembered the boat. In any event, the hull was solid when I got it, and I > put on another five coats of barrier coat just in case. I found evidence of > core sampling that had been done, but I never had an issue with the boat > post-repair. > > My 42, on the other hand, is a different story. I did not have a surveyor > inspect the hull for balsa core issues because the seller’s agent (a skilled > marine repairman) was a friend of mine who was familiar with the boat and > assured me that the hull was in good shape. (He had repaired an area near > the bilge.) After I bought the boat, a surveyor I hired for insurance > purposes informed me that he found a wet spot (about 4 feet by 3 feet) aft of > the keel on the port side. I then brought in a different friend of mine who > really knows his stuff. He checked out the boat and said we needed to have > lunch (not good). He reported that the core was wet or damaged from the keel > to the transom on both sides. It took about a year on the hard to replace > rotten core and dry out everything we could not get easy access to from the > inside. We concluded the water got in from: a) a damaged prop strut; b) a > really bad previous repair of the damaged strut; and c) the cockpit scupper > thru-hulls. > > When we finished the repair and I was excited to finally be able to use the > boat, I decided to replace the instrument thru-hull transducers just in front > of the keel. I can remember water running down my arms as I stood under the > boat removing the old thru-hulls. We then checked the hull forward of the > keel and discovered another widespread problem. We also noticed that the > glass layers up front was much thicker than in other areas of the boat. Due > to the size and location of the problem, this time my guru cut off the outer > skin (saving it for later), replaced the damaged core (which was extensive), > and glassed the outer skin back in place. I cannot imagine that all the > damage came from water migrating from the thru-hull area, but who knows. > Everything was reading relatively dry at that point, and we put about 12 > coats of Interprotect over the entire bottom. That was about seven years ago. > > At haul-out last fall, I discovered a couple blisters in one of the few > locations that we had not repaired. My initial reaction was that it was > impossible given the thick barrier coat that was applied. Turns out the wet > core this time was under a water tank (port side, just outboard of the keel). > We concluded that water had gotten into the core from a combination of > decades of condensation and poor interior glass work. There was also an area > near the toilet thru-hull that was rotten and/or wet. We dried and repaired > these areas this past spring. We also discovered two comparable but smaller > areas on the starboard side, one under the other water tank and the other > under the diesel tank. These repairs will be made before spring launch 2020. > > I believe we are nearly done, and the hull is stronger now than it was when > the boat was built. The good news is that I purchased the boat for a good > price. The bad news is that I have spent as much on hull repair as I paid > for the boat. I believe most people would have la
Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection
From: "Matthew L. Wolford" To: "Neil E. Andersen" Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection Date: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 5:18 PM That’s true, Neil. Metal, for example, will set off a moisture meter. If a staple was left on a piece of balsa coring during construction, for instance, this will set it off. Water inside the boat sitting in a low spot can also do it. There was some pine used on my 42 for a structural support that also set off the meter. It turned out to be perfectly preserved pine (which is naturally moist). All that said, moisture meters in a skilled person’s hands will provide information that tapping on the hull and looking for deformities may not. Rob: regarding my 34, I do not know the cause because it had been repaired by a competent yard before my ownership. The yard owner remembered the boat because they did a complete peel (down to the glass), made repairs, and put on a new epoxy coat. Apparently there was a compatibility issue, and the yard needed to re-do the epoxy coat on its own nickel – which is why he remembered the boat. In any event, the hull was solid when I got it, and I put on another five coats of barrier coat just in case. I found evidence of core sampling that had been done, but I never had an issue with the boat post-repair. My 42, on the other hand, is a different story. I did not have a surveyor inspect the hull for balsa core issues because the seller’s agent (a skilled marine repairman) was a friend of mine who was familiar with the boat and assured me that the hull was in good shape. (He had repaired an area near the bilge.) After I bought the boat, a surveyor I hired for insurance purposes informed me that he found a wet spot (about 4 feet by 3 feet) aft of the keel on the port side. I then brought in a different friend of mine who really knows his stuff. He checked out the boat and said we needed to have lunch (not good). He reported that the core was wet or damaged from the keel to the transom on both sides. It took about a year on the hard to replace rotten core and dry out everything we could not get easy access to from the inside. We concluded the water got in from: a) a damaged prop strut; b) a really bad previous repair of the damaged strut; and c) the cockpit scupper thru-hulls. When we finished the repair and I was excited to finally be able to use the boat, I decided to replace the instrument thru-hull transducers just in front of the keel. I can remember water running down my arms as I stood under the boat removing the old thru-hulls. We then checked the hull forward of the keel and discovered another widespread problem. We also noticed that the glass layers up front was much thicker than in other areas of the boat. Due to the size and location of the problem, this time my guru cut off the outer skin (saving it for later), replaced the damaged core (which was extensive), and glassed the outer skin back in place. I cannot imagine that all the damage came from water migrating from the thru-hull area, but who knows. Everything was reading relatively dry at that point, and we put about 12 coats of Interprotect over the entire bottom. That was about seven years ago. At haul-out last fall, I discovered a couple blisters in one of the few locations that we had not repaired. My initial reaction was that it was impossible given the thick barrier coat that was applied. Turns out the wet core this time was under a water tank (port side, just outboard of the keel). We concluded that water had gotten into the core from a combination of decades of condensation and poor interior glass work. There was also an area near the toilet thru-hull that was rotten and/or wet. We dried and repaired these areas this past spring. We also discovered two comparable but smaller areas on the starboard side, one under the other water tank and the other under the diesel tank. These repairs will be made before spring launch 2020. I believe we are nearly done, and the hull is stronger now than it was when the boat was built. The good news is that I purchased the boat for a good price. The bad news is that I have spent as much on hull repair as I paid for the boat. I believe most people would have landfilled the boat after my lunch meeting. However, it is a cool looking boat, and I raced against it as a kid. I just had to fix it, and we’ve had a lot of fun sailing it. So you see, Steve, I know of what I speak when I tell you to have the boat hauled and closely inspected by someone who knows his or her way around a moisture meter. I have gotten quite skilled using one. Finally, before everybody panics, my 42 was not a production-run boat. I believe the extensive problems I’ve dealt with are attributable to the Bruckmann Custom shop and a prior owner, and are not common with C production-run boats as far as I know. Matt From: Neil E. Andersen Sent: Tuesday, Aug
Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection
Water freezes in winter here in Nova Scotia: doesn’t matter if it’s trapped in balsa or not still freezes and with freezing expands volume by 10 percent with a force that is very hard to constrain. That can’t be a good thing year after year if wet balsa is in a polymeric hull. If i am wrong please explain why “yup there is moisture there” does not quite do it for me. I do not believe there is any balsa core in the hull of my 35 MKII. Just the deck I think and that’s enough with all the penetrations. So far I think Alianna’s deck is dry and this year she turned 45. I like my C she seems to be the same year after year with no major issues so far. On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:09 PM Rob Ball via CnC-List wrote: > I’m interested in the details of the ‘problem’ . . . . > > The ones I’ve seen have come from installation of thru-hulls where water > got to the balsa surrounding it and then migrated from there . . . > > > > We bought a moisture meter at the plant and went about testing a lot of > different boats – new and old . . . . We found moisture in strange places > and also on very old boats as well . . . > > But then eventually decided that YUP, there’s moisture there . . . . > > The boats didn’t break or seem any weaker or anything . . . . Since there > are paths all around the 2 inch squares of balsa, water can move around > easily. Structurally we’ve been told that with 40 % of a square connected > to the two skins, the structure is virtually not changed – so our squares > that were probably 95 % connected were still a very conservative structural > sandwich. > > Our bottom line – yes moisture isn’t probably the best – but in most > instances not a serious enough problem to affect a repair . . . > > On decks, we see problems when the wetness extends more thoroughly and > often does indeed get to the point that the structure breaks down . . . > > > > *Rob Ball**C 34* > > *From:* Matthew L. Wolford > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:43 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection > > > > Steve: > > > > I can speak to the balsa core issue. The 34 is cored below the > waterline, and the boat should be hauled for a hull survey with a moisture > meter. My 1978 34 had a problem and was repaired by a prior owner. My > 1976 42 also has the same problem. Do not buy the boat until this issue is > addressed to your complete satisfaction. > > > > *From:* Neil Andersen via CnC-List > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:59 AM > > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > *Cc:* Neil Andersen ; Stephen McCarthy > > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection > > > > Steve, > > > > Your concern of moisture penetration and delamination is what a good > surveyor is for. > > > > The engine is a different issue. Most surveyors will only check that the > engine runs properly, at a good temperature and will optionally do an oil > analysis (I would recommend you get that done). More than that typically > requires a certified Yanmar mechanic. > > > > Neil Andersen, Yacht Broker > > 1982 C 32 FoxFire > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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I defer to Rob on structural questions, but I have been told by good surveyors that it is not just what the moisture meter says, but a combination of three (3) factors; moisture meter, sounding and deformation. Just 1 of the 3 tell-tale items is not sufficient to indicate an issue. I just had a boat that showed moderate moisture content (on one of the new style meters) when it was used to go over where a hose was run inside the boat along side of the hull. The meter was picking up water in the hose. Picking a good surveyor is key! BTW - a bit of trivia - many good new boats don't use balsa coring anymore, but are using a synthetic material that won't rot or attract wildlife. The new material also addresses the termite issue that boats in the South Pacific are seeing. Neil Andersen, ASA 107, Yacht Broker FoxFire, 1982 C 32 Rock Hall, MD From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Rob Ball via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 1:09 PM To: Matthew L. Wolford ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rob Ball Subject: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection I'm interested in the details of the 'problem' . . . . The ones I've seen have come from installation of thru-hulls where water got to the balsa surrounding it and then migrated from there . . . We bought a moisture meter at the plant and went about testing a lot of different boats - new and old . . . . We found moisture in strange places and also on very old boats as well . . . But then eventually decided that YUP, there's moisture there . . . . The boats didn't break or seem any weaker or anything . . . . Since there are paths all around the 2 inch squares of balsa, water can move around easily. Structurally we've been told that with 40 % of a square connected to the two skins, the structure is virtually not changed - so our squares that were probably 95 % connected were still a very conservative structural sandwich. Our bottom line - yes moisture isn't probably the best - but in most instances not a serious enough problem to affect a repair . . . On decks, we see problems when the wetness extends more thoroughly and often does indeed get to the point that the structure breaks down . . . Rob BallC 34 From: Matthew L. Wolford mailto:wolf...@erie.net> > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:43 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection Steve: I can speak to the balsa core issue. The 34 is cored below the waterline, and the boat should be hauled for a hull survey with a moisture meter. My 1978 34 had a problem and was repaired by a prior owner. My 1976 42 also has the same problem. Do not buy the boat until this issue is addressed to your complete satisfaction. From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Neil Andersen <mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> ; Stephen McCarthy <mailto:smccarth4...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection Steve, Your concern of moisture penetration and delamination is what a good surveyor is for. The engine is a different issue. Most surveyors will only check that the engine runs properly, at a good temperature and will optionally do an oil analysis (I would recommend you get that done). More than that typically requires a certified Yanmar mechanic. Neil Andersen, Yacht Broker 1982 C 32 FoxFire ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Seeing the boat out of the water can be useful as you may see blistering, a keel/hull joint separation, or damage. Check the alignment of keel and rudder and check the rudder for play. IIRC the 34 had some cored construction below the waterline as well as elsewhere, so worth a careful survey. I looked at one that had held a lot of rainwater for a long time, judging by the algae marks. Look for grounding damage, stresses, or bad repairs where bulkheads are tabbed to the hull or where floors (the hull bracing/crossmembers) are glassed to the hull. You will often see little fractures here, and sometimes big ones. You can often detect serious deck delamination by bouncing hard on the deck in large flat areas or near areas where hardware penetrates the deck has been added. If it’s delaminated the soft spots will usually be very obvious. The rusty engine suggests neglect. Good luck. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 27, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Stephen McCarthy wrote: > > I received very helpful feedback from members of this list when inquiring > about the value of a 1981 34 foot C I’m a bit of a luddite when it comes > to managing listserves, so please forgive any repetition on my part. > > I live in Nova Scotia and am interested in the above model for sale at my > local marina. I think the asking price is reasonable, and went for a sail > last Sunday. The sails and rigging are in good shape. I have arranged for a > survey to be done next week. > > I have 2 major concerns and would appreciate feedback from you folks: > > First, I have been reading around the balsa core construction. There are > articles on the web which warn that water can penetrate through the > fibreglass causing the balsa core to be damaged. Does anyone know how likely > this is in this boat and the best way to detect it? > The boat is currently on a slip. Should I wait until the boat is hauled > before having it inspected? > > Second, the engine appears to be the original Yanmar 2GM. There appeared to > be a bit of surface corrosion, but the engine bed looked dry. It seemed to > run okay, and I’d like to get it looked at by a diesel mechanic. > > My other passion is aviation. I know what would be of concern in a plane > engine: poor compression, high oil consumption, etc. > What would be worrisome features in this marine diesel? > > Thanks in advance for your responses. > > Steve McCarthy > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List 1981 C Inspection
I'm interested in the details of the 'problem' . . . . The ones I've seen have come from installation of thru-hulls where water got to the balsa surrounding it and then migrated from there . . . We bought a moisture meter at the plant and went about testing a lot of different boats - new and old . . . . We found moisture in strange places and also on very old boats as well . . . But then eventually decided that YUP, there's moisture there . . . . The boats didn't break or seem any weaker or anything . . . . Since there are paths all around the 2 inch squares of balsa, water can move around easily. Structurally we've been told that with 40 % of a square connected to the two skins, the structure is virtually not changed - so our squares that were probably 95 % connected were still a very conservative structural sandwich. Our bottom line - yes moisture isn't probably the best - but in most instances not a serious enough problem to affect a repair . . . On decks, we see problems when the wetness extends more thoroughly and often does indeed get to the point that the structure breaks down . . . Rob BallC 34 From: Matthew L. Wolford Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:43 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection Steve: I can speak to the balsa core issue. The 34 is cored below the waterline, and the boat should be hauled for a hull survey with a moisture meter. My 1978 34 had a problem and was repaired by a prior owner. My 1976 42 also has the same problem. Do not buy the boat until this issue is addressed to your complete satisfaction. From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Neil Andersen<mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> ; Stephen McCarthy<mailto:smccarth4...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection Steve, Your concern of moisture penetration and delamination is what a good surveyor is for. The engine is a different issue. Most surveyors will only check that the engine runs properly, at a good temperature and will optionally do an oil analysis (I would recommend you get that done). More than that typically requires a certified Yanmar mechanic. Neil Andersen, Yacht Broker 1982 C 32 FoxFire ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Steve, I have the original Yanmar in my 1982 C 37. Surface corrosion yes, and although RPM meter is off (reads3/5k less) I changed mixing elbow and she runs like a top ! Had a few small lenses of high moisture on deck mini stay and by base of wheel column But that was it and everything is fine there is some crazing also in a few areas but that is also just surface Keep in mind what you are paying under $30k prob for a boat that today would be $175k so there may be a few small issues and for me I love the learning opportunities and I Love this boat ! John Conklin S/V Halcyon On Aug 27, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Steve: I can speak to the balsa core issue. The 34 is cored below the waterline, and the boat should be hauled for a hull survey with a moisture meter. My 1978 34 had a problem and was repaired by a prior owner. My 1976 42 also has the same problem. Do not buy the boat until this issue is addressed to your complete satisfaction. From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Neil Andersen<mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> ; Stephen McCarthy<mailto:smccarth4...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection Steve, Your concern of moisture penetration and delamination is what a good surveyor is for. The engine is a different issue. Most surveyors will only check that the engine runs properly, at a good temperature and will optionally do an oil analysis (I would recommend you get that done). More than that typically requires a certified Yanmar mechanic. Neil Andersen, Yacht Broker 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of Stephen McCarthy via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:37 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Stephen McCarthy Subject: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection I received very helpful feedback from members of this list when inquiring about the value of a 1981 34 foot C I’m a bit of a luddite when it comes to managing listserves, so please forgive any repetition on my part. I live in Nova Scotia and am interested in the above model for sale at my local marina. I think the asking price is reasonable, and went for a sail last Sunday. The sails and rigging are in good shape. I have arranged for a survey to be done next week. I have 2 major concerns and would appreciate feedback from you folks: First, I have been reading around the balsa core construction. There are articles on the web which warn that water can penetrate through the fibreglass causing the balsa core to be damaged. Does anyone know how likely this is in this boat and the best way to detect it? The boat is currently on a slip. Should I wait until the boat is hauled before having it inspected? Second, the engine appears to be the original Yanmar 2GM. There appeared to be a bit of surface corrosion, but the engine bed looked dry. It seemed to run okay, and I’d like to get it looked at by a diesel mechanic. My other passion is aviation. I know what would be of concern in a plane engine: poor compression, high oil consumption, etc. What would be worrisome features in this marine diesel? Thanks in advance for your responses. Steve McCarthy ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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I am currently looking at an 85 Landfall 35 the surveyor has found delamination in the bow above and below waterline, he says due to the construction and drainage of the anchor locker. Anyone have this issue? Also some delamination at water line starboard midship. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:43 AM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote: ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Steve: I can speak to the balsa core issue. The 34 is cored below the waterline, and the boat should be hauled for a hull survey with a moisture meter. My 1978 34 had a problem and was repaired by a prior owner. My 1976 42 also has the same problem. Do not buy the boat until this issue is addressed to your complete satisfaction. From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:59 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Neil Andersen ; Stephen McCarthy Subject: Re: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection Steve, Your concern of moisture penetration and delamination is what a good surveyor is for. The engine is a different issue. Most surveyors will only check that the engine runs properly, at a good temperature and will optionally do an oil analysis (I would recommend you get that done). More than that typically requires a certified Yanmar mechanic. Neil Andersen, Yacht Broker 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Stephen McCarthy via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:37 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Stephen McCarthy Subject: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection I received very helpful feedback from members of this list when inquiring about the value of a 1981 34 foot C I’m a bit of a luddite when it comes to managing listserves, so please forgive any repetition on my part. I live in Nova Scotia and am interested in the above model for sale at my local marina. I think the asking price is reasonable, and went for a sail last Sunday. The sails and rigging are in good shape. I have arranged for a survey to be done next week. I have 2 major concerns and would appreciate feedback from you folks: First, I have been reading around the balsa core construction. There are articles on the web which warn that water can penetrate through the fibreglass causing the balsa core to be damaged. Does anyone know how likely this is in this boat and the best way to detect it? The boat is currently on a slip. Should I wait until the boat is hauled before having it inspected? Second, the engine appears to be the original Yanmar 2GM. There appeared to be a bit of surface corrosion, but the engine bed looked dry. It seemed to run okay, and I’d like to get it looked at by a diesel mechanic. My other passion is aviation. I know what would be of concern in a plane engine: poor compression, high oil consumption, etc. What would be worrisome features in this marine diesel? Thanks in advance for your responses. Steve McCarthy ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Steve, Your concern of moisture penetration and delamination is what a good surveyor is for. The engine is a different issue. Most surveyors will only check that the engine runs properly, at a good temperature and will optionally do an oil analysis (I would recommend you get that done). More than that typically requires a certified Yanmar mechanic. Neil Andersen, Yacht Broker 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Stephen McCarthy via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:37 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Stephen McCarthy Subject: Stus-List 1981 C Inspection I received very helpful feedback from members of this list when inquiring about the value of a 1981 34 foot C I’m a bit of a luddite when it comes to managing listserves, so please forgive any repetition on my part. I live in Nova Scotia and am interested in the above model for sale at my local marina. I think the asking price is reasonable, and went for a sail last Sunday. The sails and rigging are in good shape. I have arranged for a survey to be done next week. I have 2 major concerns and would appreciate feedback from you folks: First, I have been reading around the balsa core construction. There are articles on the web which warn that water can penetrate through the fibreglass causing the balsa core to be damaged. Does anyone know how likely this is in this boat and the best way to detect it? The boat is currently on a slip. Should I wait until the boat is hauled before having it inspected? Second, the engine appears to be the original Yanmar 2GM. There appeared to be a bit of surface corrosion, but the engine bed looked dry. It seemed to run okay, and I’d like to get it looked at by a diesel mechanic. My other passion is aviation. I know what would be of concern in a plane engine: poor compression, high oil consumption, etc. What would be worrisome features in this marine diesel? Thanks in advance for your responses. Steve McCarthy ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List 1981 C Inspection
I received very helpful feedback from members of this list when inquiring about the value of a 1981 34 foot C I’m a bit of a luddite when it comes to managing listserves, so please forgive any repetition on my part. I live in Nova Scotia and am interested in the above model for sale at my local marina. I think the asking price is reasonable, and went for a sail last Sunday. The sails and rigging are in good shape. I have arranged for a survey to be done next week. I have 2 major concerns and would appreciate feedback from you folks: First, I have been reading around the balsa core construction. There are articles on the web which warn that water can penetrate through the fibreglass causing the balsa core to be damaged. Does anyone know how likely this is in this boat and the best way to detect it? The boat is currently on a slip. Should I wait until the boat is hauled before having it inspected? Second, the engine appears to be the original Yanmar 2GM. There appeared to be a bit of surface corrosion, but the engine bed looked dry. It seemed to run okay, and I’d like to get it looked at by a diesel mechanic. My other passion is aviation. I know what would be of concern in a plane engine: poor compression, high oil consumption, etc. What would be worrisome features in this marine diesel? Thanks in advance for your responses. Steve McCarthy ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
