Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yep.  Open V-cleat or as some call them, clamcleats.  To be technical, I
think a jam cleat is a horn cleat with a V-cleat under one of the horns.
V-cleats and clamcleats come in a variety of types.  Not to be confused
with cam cleats.


I thought I was the only one with V-cleats (clamcleats) for sheets.
Touche' has same thing.  Two pairs of V-cleats for the primary and
secondary winches.  Mounted on angled teak blocks.  I like them for racing
also.  Every now and then a line gets cleated inadvertently.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:12 AM, David Kaseler  wrote:

> Open V-cleats? Ok, I just call them jam cleats. In any case, I would
> hesitate to use them for a halyard application unless it was for a
> temporary application as Dennis C. suggests. Having said that I use them
> for my headsail sheets and like them very much. We have no conventional
> cleats in SLY's cockpit, just these jam cleats mounted on angled brackets
> at all 4 of the cockpit winches. It is so easy to drop the sheets into
> these and release the sheets from these when tacking and while making small
> adjusts to any of the headsails including the spinnaker. SLY came to us
> with this arrangement many years ago. Great for racing.
> Dave.
> SLY
> 1975 C 33
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:16 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat,
> Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.
>
> http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html
>
> However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are
> going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.
> If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting
> until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd
> recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:
>
> http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html
>
> Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it
> works pretty slick.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be
>> cleat-able at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>>
>> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?
>>
>>
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I installed a Schaeffer rope clutch, just below where the spinnaker halyard
exits from the mast.  One person can raise the spinnaker without waiting
for another crew member to tail.  After the spinnaker is fully raised, the
same crew member can tidy up the  halyard, cleat the halyard and release
the rope clutch.  These clutches are no longer made, but they are available
at marine chandleries that sell used components.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Dave via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thanks Dennis.   I found clamcleat, (which was what I thought they were
> called)  who I think is the patent holder, and is identified as the
> manufacturer for Selden's equivalent.   I could not find the same form
> factor in clamcleat's offering but maybe I missed it.
>
> The question you ask is a good one.  I have had fun single handing with a
> spinnaker, learning the hard (but fun) way why one might need to manage the
> halyard at the mast, and am trying to decide the approach.
>
> The  33-2 has 3 fore halyards.   One is used for the jib, the other two
> are on either side of that and are referred to to as port and starboard
> wing halyards.  When I got Windstar only one was rigged.   There is a spare
> sheave for the heretofore unused one on the 5-sheave deck organizer, but no
> clutch or cleat available on the cabin top.
>
> So, basically I have the choice of a mast-belayed starboard wing halyard
> in addition to the cockpit belayed port wing halyard,  or adding clutch
> capacity to starboard, and a parking cleat to one or both.
>
> Simplest is to have one at the mast and one at the cockpit, maybe with a
> parking cleat installed on the cockpit-belayed port side halyard.   Maybe a
> standard horn cleat on the mast for the starboard halyard.  The halyards
> are internal, so a stop-knotted halyard cannot fly out of reach.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Dave.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
>
> Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat,
> Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.
>
> http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html
> 
>
> However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are
> going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.
> If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting
> until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd
> recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:
>
> http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html
> 
>
> Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it
> works pretty slick.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be
>> cleat-able at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>>
>> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?
>>
>>
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>> 
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[Dave via CnC-List]

Thanks Dennis.   I found clamcleat, (which was what I thought they were called) 
 who I think is the patent holder, and is identified as the manufacturer for 
Selden's equivalent.   I could not find the same form factor in clamcleat's 
offering but maybe I missed it.  

The question you ask is a good one.  I have had fun single handing with a 
spinnaker, learning the hard (but fun) way why one might need to manage the 
halyard at the mast, and am trying to decide the approach.  

The  33-2 has 3 fore halyards.   One is used for the jib, the other two are on 
either side of that and are referred to to as port and starboard wing halyards. 
 When I got Windstar only one was rigged.   There is a spare sheave for the 
heretofore unused one on the 5-sheave deck organizer, but no clutch or cleat 
available on the cabin top.

So, basically I have the choice of a mast-belayed starboard wing halyard in 
addition to the cockpit belayed port wing halyard,  or adding clutch capacity 
to starboard, and a parking cleat to one or both.   

Simplest is to have one at the mast and one at the cockpit, maybe with a 
parking cleat installed on the cockpit-belayed port side halyard.   Maybe a 
standard horn cleat on the mast for the starboard halyard.  The halyards are 
internal, so a stop-knotted halyard cannot fly out of reach.

Thoughts?

Dave.


Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat, 
> Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.  
> 
> http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html
> 
> However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are 
> going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.  
> If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting 
> until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd 
> recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:
> 
> http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html
> 
> Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it 
> works pretty slick.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be cleat-able 
>> at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?  
>> 
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Open V-cleats? Ok, I just call them jam cleats. In any case, I would hesitate 
to use them for a halyard application unless it was for a temporary application 
as Dennis C. suggests. Having said that I use them for my headsail sheets and 
like them very much. We have no conventional cleats in SLY's cockpit, just 
these jam cleats mounted on angled brackets at all 4 of the cockpit winches. It 
is so easy to drop the sheets into these and release the sheets from these when 
tacking and while making small adjusts to any of the headsails including the 
spinnaker. SLY came to us with this arrangement many years ago. Great for 
racing.
Dave.
SLY
1975 C 33

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:16 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat, 
> Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.  
> 
> http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html
> 
> However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are 
> going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.  
> If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting 
> until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd 
> recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:
> 
> http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html
> 
> Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it 
> works pretty slick.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be cleat-able 
>> at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?  
>> 
>> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Those, or a similar version should be available from Ronstan, Camcleat,
Selden and others.  They are called open V-cleats.

http://www.mauripro.com/us/product/SEL432010R.html

However, I need to ask exactly what you intend to do with it.  If you are
going to permanently cleat the halyard I'd consider a rope clutch instead.
If you are looking to temporarily cleat a spinnaker halyard after hoisting
until the pit person can tidy up and take up slack in the tail, then I'd
recommend a spinnaker halyard parking cleat.  The bracket can be found here:

http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html

Mount a Harken 150 aluminum cam cleat in it.  I have one on Touche' and it
works pretty slick.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be
> cleat-able at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.
>
> Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?
>
>
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List 33-2 on mast clam cleats - are they still available?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Looking to have one of my wing halyards terminate or at least be cleat-able
at the mast, and would like to match the existing hardware.

Does anyone know who made these and whether they are still available?


http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/2017/06/who-made-these-cleats.html


Dave
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