Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
Bob, I had the same spreader problem (wear from a previous owner not tying off the steel cable halyard). In the end the best solution was to remake the spreaders. Bay sailing equipment, 986 cherry street, Fall River, Frank: 508 678 4419 has the original C&C extrusion and did the work. It is indistinguishable from the original.I don't remember the cost. David On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the comments! > > Cracks in aluminum have a tendency to propagate--so, small cracks can turn > into bigger problems. Since this is easy to fix here and difficult to fix > later in the Bahamas, I'm fixing it here. I am having my spreaders removed > (one at a time) and having them weld repaired and reinstalled in the middle > of July when we return from our month-long sailing trip in the Chesapeake > Bay. One crack is the lower starboard spreader was worse than the small > crack in the lower port spreader. My rigger thought my rigging was a bit > loose and this may have caused the cracks in the spreaders. > > The spreaders are under compressive load and a crack along an outer edge > (if large enough) can reduce the compressive load capability. As Andy > pointed out, if a spreader fails while sailing, your rig comes down and > ruins your day. Also, on a sailboat there many things that can ruin your > day--it pays to correct the problems that you can identify. > > Bob > > Bob > > Bob Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) > Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) > blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > email: dainyr...@icloud.com > > On Jun 16, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I would be very concerned about any crack in the spreaders. If they fail, > the mast falls down, which some people find terribly off-putting. > > Andy > C&C 40 > Peregrine > > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett > Newport, RI > USA02840 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
Thanks for all the comments! Cracks in aluminum have a tendency to propagate--so, small cracks can turn into bigger problems. Since this is easy to fix here and difficult to fix later in the Bahamas, I'm fixing it here. I am having my spreaders removed (one at a time) and having them weld repaired and reinstalled in the middle of July when we return from our month-long sailing trip in the Chesapeake Bay. One crack is the lower starboard spreader was worse than the small crack in the lower port spreader. My rigger thought my rigging was a bit loose and this may have caused the cracks in the spreaders. The spreaders are under compressive load and a crack along an outer edge (if large enough) can reduce the compressive load capability. As Andy pointed out, if a spreader fails while sailing, your rig comes down and ruins your day. Also, on a sailboat there many things that can ruin your day--it pays to correct the problems that you can identify. Bob Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com > On Jun 16, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List > wrote: > > I would be very concerned about any crack in the spreaders. If they fail, the > mast falls down, which some people find terribly off-putting. > > Andy > C&C 40 > Peregrine > > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett > Newport, RI > USA02840 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > >> >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like >> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions >> are greatly appreciated! > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
I would be very concerned about any crack in the spreaders. If they fail, the mast falls down, which some people find terribly off-putting. Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
My lower spreaders also each have a tiny crack at the trailing edge. The crack is about 1/8" - 1/4", on the middle of the seam. My rig inspector didn't seem at all concerned about it, and there were bigger issues to tackle first. I'd have to see a picture to know how bad your's looks, but my solution has been to not worry about it and just go sailing. The way the spreaders take load, I don't think it poses much concern. -Patrick 1984 C&C Landfall 38 Seattle, WA On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:05 AM, wrote: > From: Robert Boyer > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:55:43 -0400 > Subject: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38 > As part of my annual haul out this year, I had a rigging survey done by my > boatyard. They found a crack that runs along the trailing edge of the > lower starboard spreader. We are looking at two options: weld repairs > and new spreaders. Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, any > help on where to find replacement spreaders would be very useful. Thanks! > > Bob > > Bob Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) > Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) > blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > email: dainyr...@icloud.com > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
I had that problem as well and we had them welded years ago no problems. Gary "Liberty" Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE TabletOn Jun 13, 2016 9:55 AM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote: > > As part of my annual haul out this year, I had a rigging survey done by my > boatyard. They found a crack that runs along the trailing edge of the lower > starboard spreader. We are looking at two options: weld repairs and new > spreaders. Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, any help on where > to find replacement spreaders would be very useful. Thanks! > > Bob > > Bob Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) > Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) > blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > email: dainyr...@icloud.com > > On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:08 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: > >> Once you get the length figured out, get rid of the core for that portion >> that will be on the drum. The cover can handle the load and it lies nice >> and flat in the drum. No more tangles... >> >> David F. Risch >> 1981 40-2 >> (401) 419-4650 (cell) >> >> >> >> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:29:43 -0400 >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List Roller Furling Line >> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> CC: e...@schillay.com >> >> Listers, >> >> My roller furling line got ultra-tangled in the drum and I ended up having >> to drop the headsail and cut it all out. >> >> I bought some new line and am going to install tomorrow, weather permitting. >> >> So here's the question. How many feet of line should I have wrapped around >> the drum before putting the sail back on? >> >> I'm running with a 135% headsail, but want to have enough on there to >> accommodate a 150, if I ever make a change. >> >> >> All the best, >> >> Edd >> >> --- >> Edd M. Schillay >> Starship Enterprise >> NCC-1701-B >> C&C 37+ | City Island, NY >> www.StarshipSailing.com >> --- >> 914.332.4400 | Office >> 914.774.9767 | Mobile >> --- >> Sent via iPhone 6 >> iPhone. iTypos. iApologize >> >> ___ This list is supported by >> the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help >> us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> Virus-free >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like >> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions >> are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
My buddy and I replace shrouds and stays all the time with a boat's mast up. We block the mast with a halyard and do the work. In fact, we replaced both spreaders on a rig a couple years ago. Granted the boat had fore and aft lower shrouds that supported the rig while I worked aloft. When replacing a furler, we may leave the mast blocked with a halyard for a day or two while we make up a new fore stay. Keep in mind, I'm the guy aloft. I'm only nervous when replacing shrouds on a deck stepped mast. For our keel stepped rigs, I'd be OK being aloft or leaving the rig a day or two blocked with a halyard or halyards. Dennis C. On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I'm am leaning toward weld repairs too because of less lead time. Any > other advantages of weld repair vs replacement. > > I would also like to do this job without removing the mast. I would think > that one spreader could be replaced at a time while using two halyards to > support the mast in addition to the shrouds on the opposite side. Any > experience doing this? > > Bob > > Bob Boyer > S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) > Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > Email: dainyr...@icloud.com > Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) > > On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > If welding is an option, I would take it. > > Andy > C&C 40 > Peregrine > > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett > Newport, RI > USA02840 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
I had the two port side spreaders on our J27 show small cracks on trailing edge. This was a result of leaving them attached to mast in the winter with the mast down (lesson learned). We took them to a local welder who does aluminum welding and he fixed them. Cost was reasonable and the repair looked very good. Was much cheaper than obtaining replacements at over $200 each from Hall spars. Mike Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boyer via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 1:34 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Robert Boyer Subject: Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38 I'm am leaning toward weld repairs too because of less lead time. Any other advantages of weld repair vs replacement. I would also like to do this job without removing the mast. I would think that one spreader could be replaced at a time while using two halyards to support the mast in addition to the shrouds on the opposite side. Any experience doing this? Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com<http://dainyrays.blogspot.com> Email: dainyr...@icloud.com<mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: If welding is an option, I would take it. Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
I'm am leaning toward weld repairs too because of less lead time. Any other advantages of weld repair vs replacement. I would also like to do this job without removing the mast. I would think that one spreader could be replaced at a time while using two halyards to support the mast in addition to the shrouds on the opposite side. Any experience doing this? Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com Email: dainyr...@icloud.com Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) > On Jun 13, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List > wrote: > > If welding is an option, I would take it. > > Andy > C&C 40 > Peregrine > > Andrew Burton > 61 W Narragansett > Newport, RI > USA02840 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
If welding is an option, I would take it. Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Crack at trailing edge of lower spreader on LF38
As part of my annual haul out this year, I had a rigging survey done by my boatyard. They found a crack that runs along the trailing edge of the lower starboard spreader. We are looking at two options: weld repairs and new spreaders. Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, any help on where to find replacement spreaders would be very useful. Thanks! Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com > On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:08 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: > > Once you get the length figured out, get rid of the core for that portion > that will be on the drum. The cover can handle the load and it lies nice and > flat in the drum. No more tangles... > > David F. Risch > 1981 40-2 > (401) 419-4650 (cell) > > > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:29:43 -0400 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List Roller Furling Line > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > CC: e...@schillay.com > > Listers, > > My roller furling line got ultra-tangled in the drum and I ended up having to > drop the headsail and cut it all out. > > I bought some new line and am going to install tomorrow, weather permitting. > > So here's the question. How many feet of line should I have wrapped around > the drum before putting the sail back on? > > I'm running with a 135% headsail, but want to have enough on there to > accommodate a 150, if I ever make a change. > > > All the best, > > Edd > > --- > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > NCC-1701-B > C&C 37+ | City Island, NY > www.StarshipSailing.com > --- > 914.332.4400 | Office > 914.774.9767 | Mobile > --- > Sent via iPhone 6 > iPhone. iTypos. iApologize > > ___ This list is supported by the > generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay > for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > Virus-free > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
