Stus-List Engine Troubles Injector Rebuild
Here's another option: Instead of paying 125.00 per for rebuild why not buy brand new ones for 132.00 bucks each? See here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yanmar-1GM-2GM-3GM-Injector-NEW-Part-728170-53100-FREE-SHIPPING-/151718415253 Mine were sticking / cold start was smoky and sometimes laborious. I have shopped for / seen them for less in the past. I can postpone that purchase now.. With a steady diet of Power Kleen and regular once a week use (or more) thanks for Wed nite racing. It's pretty much cured: It cold starts in 2-3 secs with the throttle on idle. (It used to refuse to start on anything less than full throttle / several minutes of cranking) Regards -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ 'Take Five Lake Lanier, GA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Injector Rebuild
I found that some Yanmar parts are readily available at Tractor Supply stores. For example, using the Yanmar part number (724770-53100) in the Hoye Tractor search field I found the following 3QM30 injectors cross listed to IA-4770 for $118. See http://www.hoyetractor.com/PROD/search/IA-4770.htm http://www.hoyetractor.com/PROD/search/IA-4770.htm I saved over $600 buying 3 new injector pre-combustion chambers. Mastry Yanmar wanted nearly $300 per cylinder, I got them for about $60 per cylinder at Hoye. I did not buy new injectors, I brought my injector pump and injectors to a Diesel shop. They rebuilt the pump for about $200, and tested the injectors(no charge). The injectors were fine. The place I went to was called Shiver Diesel Injection just outside of Tallahassee, and since we have a diesel injection shop out at no-where-ville, I’m guessing there’s a similar place near you. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Jun 22, 2015, at 2:45 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:29:35 -0400 From: Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com mailto:jfriv...@us.ibm.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Engine Troubles Injector Rebuild Message-ID: 201506221630.t5mgucr2023...@d03av05.boulder.ibm.com mailto:201506221630.t5mgucr2023...@d03av05.boulder.ibm.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's another option: Instead of paying 125.00 per for rebuild why not buy brand new ones for 132.00 bucks each? See here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yanmar-1GM-2GM-3GM-Injector-NEW-Part-728170-53100-FREE-SHIPPING-/151718415253 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yanmar-1GM-2GM-3GM-Injector-NEW-Part-728170-53100-FREE-SHIPPING-/151718415253 Mine were sticking / cold start was smoky and sometimes laborious. I have shopped for / seen them for less in the past. I can postpone that purchase now.. With a steady diet of Power Kleen and regular once a week use (or more) thanks for Wed nite racing. It's pretty much cured: It cold starts in 2-3 secs with the throttle on idle. (It used to refuse to start on anything less than full throttle / several minutes of cranking) Regards -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ 'Take Five Lake Lanier, GA ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Injector Rebuild
Mike, I also have a 3GM30F and at the time [2010] the work on the head gasket and injectors was done the engine was ~ 25 yo, 12 of which I had been the owner. Was getting quite a bit soot on the transom, cold starts were becoming increasingly difficult and the idle was rough. As I had never done any major work on the engine and since the head was pulled and sent to a machine shop to be reconditioned, the mechanic recommended having the injectors sent out to a shop to be rebuilt, rightly concluding the “spray pattern” was not optimal. It took about a week + but part of that time was due to the injector shop owner had recently passed away and his widow was doing the work, without all the “certified training.” The injectors had to be redone. The mechanic also adjusted the valves so everything was back in spec. Pulling just the injectors did not appear to be an overly complicated process. The injector rebuild itself included replacing the nozzles and was US$125 for each injector. The total hours billed included a few other repairs / replacements so would estimate the labor for the injectors themselves were ~ 3 hours all in. Add in a few other minor parts like copper washers. HTH Brian From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 8:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Brian What was involved with checking the injectors and having them rebuilt? Was it time consuming to remove them and costly for rebuild? Mike Persistence Yanmar 3GM30F Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nauset Beach via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:56 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nauset Beach Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Edd, When I had my gasket replaced on my Yanmar a few years ago [was getting oil in the coolant] the mechanic also highly recommended it would be a good time to have the injectors checked / rebuilt, and have a compression check on each of the cylinders – one was near the minimum and the others were fine. It all made a big difference in how the engine performed, the exhaust was much less sooty and the transom actually stayed clean for a while. Brian ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Injector Rebuild
Thanks Brian The injector rebuild is something that is on my list of upcoming projects Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nauset Beach via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:07 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nauset Beach Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Injector Rebuild Mike, I also have a 3GM30F and at the time [2010] the work on the head gasket and injectors was done the engine was ~ 25 yo, 12 of which I had been the owner. Was getting quite a bit soot on the transom, cold starts were becoming increasingly difficult and the idle was rough. As I had never done any major work on the engine and since the head was pulled and sent to a machine shop to be reconditioned, the mechanic recommended having the injectors sent out to a shop to be rebuilt, rightly concluding the “spray pattern” was not optimal. It took about a week + but part of that time was due to the injector shop owner had recently passed away and his widow was doing the work, without all the “certified training.” The injectors had to be redone. The mechanic also adjusted the valves so everything was back in spec. Pulling just the injectors did not appear to be an overly complicated process. The injector rebuild itself included replacing the nozzles and was US$125 for each injector. The total hours billed included a few other repairs / replacements so would estimate the labor for the injectors themselves were ~ 3 hours all in. Add in a few other minor parts like copper washers. HTH Brian From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 8:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Brian What was involved with checking the injectors and having them rebuilt? Was it time consuming to remove them and costly for rebuild? Mike Persistence Yanmar 3GM30F Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nauset Beach via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:56 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nauset Beach Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Edd, When I had my gasket replaced on my Yanmar a few years ago [was getting oil in the coolant] the mechanic also highly recommended it would be a good time to have the injectors checked / rebuilt, and have a compression check on each of the cylinders – one was near the minimum and the others were fine. It all made a big difference in how the engine performed, the exhaust was much less sooty and the transom actually stayed clean for a while. Brian ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Brian What was involved with checking the injectors and having them rebuilt? Was it time consuming to remove them and costly for rebuild? Mike Persistence Yanmar 3GM30F Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nauset Beach via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:56 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nauset Beach Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Edd, When I had my gasket replaced on my Yanmar a few years ago [was getting oil in the coolant] the mechanic also highly recommended it would be a good time to have the injectors checked / rebuilt, and have a compression check on each of the cylinders – one was near the minimum and the others were fine. It all made a big difference in how the engine performed, the exhaust was much less sooty and the transom actually stayed clean for a while. Brian From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.comhttp://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.comhttp://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Engine Troubles
Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Gary and all, Thanks for all the advice. I was only wondering about the replacement cost if it turned out to be more. A week ago, she ran fine. Yesterday, I couldn’t get it to turn over. Plenty of cranking from the starter, but no “fire”. We checked and cleaned the air filter, the fuel filters and did a check of all the hoses. Then I checked the oil, which was a gray instead of black. Some research today led me to believe that it’s the head gasket. I’ll get it to the yard and have a pro look at it. I just don’t want to miss too many weeks of sailing/racing. Gr. All the best, Edd On Jun 21, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If it is a head gasket, why are you thinking of a complete replacement? I had a crack in the head of my Yanmar and removed the head and replaced it with a new one. One (+) boat buck instead of a bunch (did my own work). Or, is the rest of the engine pooped as well? Gary - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin DeYoung mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Edd, Have the head check closely for cracks. Sometimes the gasket fails owing to issues with th e head/block surfaces. I spent one summer season nursing my old Yanmar powered CC 36 around the PNW with a cracked head. I would use the compression release to get it started when cold. Changed the oil every few weeks. We did re-power after that cruising season with a newer model Yanmar . I second the comment regarding the extra costs incurred when switching engine models. A key for me with the 36's older model Yanmar was the future availability of spare parts. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Edd Schillay via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.starshipsailing.com/ --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.starshipsailing.com/ --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles
I replaced the head gasket on the Yanmar 2GM in our 29. Apart from the usual lack of access, it was no big deal. I took the head off and had it cleaned and faced at a good shop, and putting it all back together went mostly smoothly. One fuel injector line just would not go back in the right place, had to call in a pro to fix that part. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 21 June 2015 at 18:39, David Lenehan via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Chances are, Edd, if your oil is gray, there's water in it and I'd be seriously considering the head gasket as the likely culprit. Best of luck, David On 22 June 2015 at 11:19, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, Your M-35 is a marinized Kubota tractor engine. You might contact a tractor mechanic about rebuilding it. Seems to me a rebuild should be in the $3000-3500 range. A new one would be north of $7-8K. I handled a complete rebuild on an M-30 a while back. I got most of the parts from a Kubota tractor dealer. Somewhere there is a cross reference for parts using the serial number off the block. I took the head and block and the bearings, rings, etc. to a regular engine machine shop. They built the block, rebuilt the head and installed the head. All I had to do was install the heat exchanger and a few other goodies and drop it back in the boat. That M-30 is still going strong. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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An Atomic 4 will work just fine. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 7:48 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Gary and all, Thanks for all the advice. I was only wondering about the replacement cost if it turned out to be more. A week ago, she ran fine. Yesterday, I couldn’t get it to turn over. Plenty of cranking from the starter, but no “fire”. We checked and cleaned the air filter, the fuel filters and did a check of all the hoses. Then I checked the oil, which was a gray instead of black. Some research today led me to believe that it’s the head gasket. I’ll get it to the yard and have a pro look at it. I just don’t want to miss too many weeks of sailing/racing. Gr. All the best, Edd On Jun 21, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If it is a head gasket, why are you thinking of a complete replacement? I had a crack in the head of my Yanmar and removed the head and replaced it with a new one. One (+) boat buck instead of a bunch (did my own work). Or, is the rest of the engine pooped as well? Gary - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin DeYoung Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Edd, Have the head check closely for cracks. Sometimes the gasket fails owing to issues with th e head/block surfaces. I spent one summer season nursing my old Yanmar powered CC 36 around the PNW with a cracked head. I would use the compression release to get it started when cold. Changed the oil every few weeks. We did re-power after that cruising season with a newer model Yanmar. I second the comment regarding the extra costs incurred when switching engine models. A key for me with the 36's older model Yanmar was the future availability of spare parts. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Edd Schillay via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc
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Edd, The M35B installed in Imzadi in 2000 failed in 2009. Long story. Cheap previous owner who cut one too many corners on the installation. After looking at cost and installation labor for a number of alternatives (Yanmar 3?M30, Beta 35, etc.) I ended up getting a 2010 bobtail M35B (no transmission and no instrument panel). With the cost of a proper exhaust riser and shipping, I think the total came to about $6300. Which was not much more than the total for parts and labor to get the old engine rebuilt plus correct the cheap PO’s poor installation. I had to wait 3 or 4 weeks for shipping because the new tier of emissions changes were being rolled out at the time I placed the order and there was a slight lag in getting the bobtail engine built. But I got the impression that complete engines were in production for dealer inventory at the time, so I think the delay was probably not typical. While the engine was out, I stripped the old one to harvest spares for the new engine (injectors, pumps, starter, alternator, wiring harness, heat exchanger, etc.) and did a proper exhaust routing and installed a new fuel tank. After the new engine arrived it took about 4 days to install the transmission, install and connect the engine (and replace the Vernalift muffler I had just installed (another long story. Anyone need a muffler, contact me offline – I have 3 to sell), and align the shaft. I’d guess the labor to RR the engine, swap the transmission, and connect the new engine was about $600-700 of the total I paid to get the whole job done ($1800). Rick Brass Imzadi CC 38 mk 2 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:46 PM To: cnc-list Cnc-List Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Stus-List Engine Troubles Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd; The 30 and 35 HP Beta 4 cylinder engines are based on the same Kubota diesel engine as the M35B, so the engine swap would be a relatively easy change out. Different transmission, so maybe a new prop needed, and a different wiring harness adds a bit of complexity but not much. I actually like several things about the Beta better than the M35B, and it was my second choice when I did the new engine for Imzadi in 2010. If I recall, a total engine package using the 35HP Beta was $300-400 less than a complete 36HP M35B from Universal. But using the bobtail M35B as I did saved a grand or more, and left me with a pot full of spares for the new engine to boot. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Fountain via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Paul Fountain Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Give beta engines in North Carolina a call... When we did Perceptions they were less than a Yanmar, fit the same bed width ... New holes, same shaft length, but gave us new alternator and starter that the rebuild would not have. http://www.betamarinenc.com Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, When I had my gasket replaced on my Yanmar a few years ago [was getting oil in the coolant] the mechanic also highly recommended it would be a good time to have the injectors checked / rebuilt, and have a compression check on each of the cylinders - one was near the minimum and the others were fine. It all made a big difference in how the engine performed, the exhaust was much less sooty and the transom actually stayed clean for a while. Brian From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd, Your M-35 is a marinized Kubota tractor engine. You might contact a tractor mechanic about rebuilding it. Seems to me a rebuild should be in the $3000-3500 range. A new one would be north of $7-8K. I handled a complete rebuild on an M-30 a while back. I got most of the parts from a Kubota tractor dealer. Somewhere there is a cross reference for parts using the serial number off the block. I took the head and block and the bearings, rings, etc. to a regular engine machine shop. They built the block, rebuilt the head and installed the head. All I had to do was install the heat exchanger and a few other goodies and drop it back in the boat. That M-30 is still going strong. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Chances are, Edd, if your oil is gray, there's water in it and I'd be seriously considering the head gasket as the likely culprit. Best of luck, David On 22 June 2015 at 11:19, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, Your M-35 is a marinized Kubota tractor engine. You might contact a tractor mechanic about rebuilding it. Seems to me a rebuild should be in the $3000-3500 range. A new one would be north of $7-8K. I handled a complete rebuild on an M-30 a while back. I got most of the parts from a Kubota tractor dealer. Somewhere there is a cross reference for parts using the serial number off the block. I took the head and block and the bearings, rings, etc. to a regular engine machine shop. They built the block, rebuilt the head and installed the head. All I had to do was install the heat exchanger and a few other goodies and drop it back in the boat. That M-30 is still going strong. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd, Have the head check closely for cracks. Sometimes the gasket fails owing to issues with th e head/block surfaces. I spent one summer season nursing my old Yanmar powered CC 36 around the PNW with a cracked head. I would use the compression release to get it started when cold. Changed the oil every few weeks. We did re-power after that cruising season with a newer model Yanmar. I second the comment regarding the extra costs incurred when switching engine models. A key for me with the 36's older model Yanmar was the future availability of spare parts. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Edd Schillay via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.comhttp://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.comhttp://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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If it is a head gasket, why are you thinking of a complete replacement? I had a crack in the head of my Yanmar and removed the head and replaced it with a new one. One (+) boat buck instead of a bunch (did my own work). Or, is the rest of the engine pooped as well? Gary - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Martin DeYoung Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles Edd, Have the head check closely for cracks. Sometimes the gasket fails owing to issues with th e head/block surfaces. I spent one summer season nursing my old Yanmar powered CC 36 around the PNW with a cracked head. I would use the compression release to get it started when cold. Changed the oil every few weeks. We did re-power after that cruising season with a newer model Yanmar. I second the comment regarding the extra costs incurred when switching engine models. A key for me with the 36's older model Yanmar was the future availability of spare parts. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle -- From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Edd Schillay via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd Sorry to hear this - what problems are you having? If you can get by for the season a rebuild is certainly cheaper albeit more time consuming. As to new, it depends on what can be reused but you're in the 15-20k range. Good news is it can be done quickly (days, not weeks) with the right yard. At that point you may want to consider other components - fuel tank, alternator, smart charger, etc. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Give beta engines in North Carolina a call... When we did Perceptions they were less than a Yanmar, fit the same bed width ... New holes, same shaft length, but gave us new alternator and starter that the rebuild would not have. http://www.betamarinenc.com Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd, When I had my gasket replaced on my Yanmar a few years ago [was getting oil in the coolant] the mechanic also highly recommended it would be a good time to have the injectors checked / rebuilt, and have a compression check on each of the cylinders - one was near the minimum and the others were fine. It all made a big difference in how the engine performed, the exhaust was much less sooty and the transom actually stayed clean for a while. Brian From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.comhttp://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.comhttp://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd, When I had my gasket replaced on my Yanmar a few years ago [was getting oil in the coolant] the mechanic also highly recommended it would be a good time to have the injectors checked / rebuilt, and have a compression check on each of the cylinders – one was near the minimum and the others were fine. It all made a big difference in how the engine performed, the exhaust was much less sooty and the transom actually stayed clean for a while. Brian From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Troubles John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com http://www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd, I'm in the middle of this currently. A new 30hp Yanmar will be around $12k, so I went with a rebuilt engine from Schooner Bay Imported Motors. I don't have the engine in hand yet and it's taking 6 weeks not the agreed 3 to deliver, so I can't vouch for them. As a direct replacement for the existing engine there is little work to do on engine beds / exhaust / shaft length / wiring etc, so that will save a fair amount of yard work, but the galley had to come apart to facilitate access. That engine is ~$5k with core swap. Good luck! Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: John, Thanks. I think I'm in for a head gasket replacement. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Jun 21, 2015, at 4:18 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd - one other thought. Give McMichael (Mamaroneck) a call. Very good mechanics who may have suggestions. They did the gasket replacement for the sail drive on Paws. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Having some troubles with the Enterprise's Universal M-35 Diesel engine and I'm preparing myself for the worst. Has anyone on the list completely replaced their engine and, if so, what did it cost you including time out of commission and labor? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Engine Troubles
Listers, Just wanted to share my experience last night trying to get the boat out to a Wednesday Night race. Lesson learned: Sometimes engine troubles can be the simplest of things. Feel like such an idiot, but oh well. http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2013/08/stardate-113584.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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My Kubota has a solenoid that shuts fuel off and on with the switch. Things keep getting better and better. I don't think it would require a Starship Scientist to install one, altho I suppose you probably have one . . . (I hope this doesn't ruin the plot of your short story) Bill Coleman CC 39 animated_favicon1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 10:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Engine Troubles Listers, Just wanted to share my experience last night trying to get the boat out to a Wednesday Night race. Lesson learned: Sometimes engine troubles can be the simplest of things. Feel like such an idiot, but oh well. http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2013/08/stardate-113584.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ Website image001.gif___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Must have been the night for dumb engine moves...(sorry Edd)... Also going out for Wed night racing, crew lets go of the mooring and about 5 sec later the engine just stops dead. Same 10-15 kt breeze, we're about 100 yards upwind of the rock breakwater, and have moored boats about 100 ft away, one of which we're aiming right for. Only option was to unfurl the jib, and just managed to avoid collision. After we get clear of all the boat and the breakwater, and the heart rate drops a little, I looked for what was wrongI always close the fuel line valve (A4 engine) when leaving the boat, except for the last time. Last night without thinking I just turned the handle, not realizing I had just closed it... felt like 2 cents after it was all over. Moral of the story: always have the sails ready...or an anchor. And it's amazing how fast a dicey situation can develop... Neil Gallagher Weatherly 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 8/1/2013 10:33 AM, Edd Schillay wrote: Listers, Just wanted to share my experience last night trying to get the boat out to a Wednesday Night race. Lesson learned: Sometimes engine troubles can be the simplest of things. Feel like such an idiot, but oh well. http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2013/08/stardate-113584.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I had a friend who suffered major damage when a non-sailor guest snagged it with a foot, pulling it out and bending it down so it wouldn't go back. The guest didn't say anything, out of ignorance or embarrassment. Then they missed a tack in a close quarters, and the captain tried to start the engine just to get away from a pier, ending up broadside to the pier and held there by the breeze. Bad day. If it's too much trouble to move, it's a good idea to remove the knob or put the smallest one possible on. Wal Josh Muckley wrote: snip OR someone will snag it with their feet while moving about. snip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Been there, done that. Good on you for finding the root cause before spending a boat buck on a mechanic. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:33 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Engine Troubles Listers, Just wanted to share my experience last night trying to get the boat out to a Wednesday Night race. Lesson learned: Sometimes engine troubles can be the simplest of things. Feel like such an idiot, but oh well. http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2013/08/stardate-113584.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Websitehttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ inline: image001.png___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
