Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Kevin,

You should put any filter after the pump. Pumps hate to suck; they are much 
better at pushing.

Btw. I am using a filter similar to what Nate linked (mine is GE, not Glacier 
Bay) at the cottage and it works quite well. I throw away the filter each fall, 
when we winterise the cottage (no problem with freezing). Mind you, I don’t 
drink the lake water; the filter is there to eliminate the sediment and such.

Marek

From: Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 09:28
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Kevin Paxton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

Nate, 

Did you put that before the pump or after? What do you put in your water to 
keep it sanitary?

Thanks,
Kevin


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:12 AM Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

  Re the filter, I have had good taste-improvement results from a quite 
inexpensive whole-house clear shell water filter, using carbon cartridges, 
bought from a big box home supply store. The goal was removing "tank taste", 
and it has worked well this first year. I plan to change cartridges each 
season, and need to remember that its one more thing to switch out and drain as 
part of winterizing, but that's easy. It came with pipe thread fittings, so 
adapters to PEX would be required. An example is: 
  
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-Advanced-Household-Water-Filtration-System-HDG2VS4/205582288


  Nate
  1980 C 30-1 on the St. Croix River, WI
  1994 Tartan 31 Siskiwit Bay Marina, Lake Superior
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Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

We do not filter on board, but always attach an RV filter
<https://www.amazon.com/Camco-40043-TastePURE-Flexible-Protector/dp/B0006IX87S>to
the hose we are filling with. Pracitical Sailor also reviewed this, I
believe. I would suggest adding this to your routine even with a filter set
up. It will prolong the filter life and keep your non-drinking water
cleaner.

We were just aiming to improve taste, which it has. We turn our tanks over
frequently and bleach them twice a year or so (we use the boat year round.)
We almost never have tanky water because of this. My 2 cents.

Kevin
30-2
Portland

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 7:34 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> FYI – I had a filter that made things WORSE. It would allow
> algae/bacteria/gross stuff to grow in it. I removed the filter and dumped a
> whole quart bottle of bleach in each tank. I let it sit for an hour, added
> water to the tanks, ran them dry, refilled with water, and the tank water
> has been nice ever since.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Bina - gmail via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Bill Bina - gmail
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water
>
>
>
> I had a household type in line filter with a paper element freeze. After
> it thawed, it would no longer pass anything, including water. The wet
> fibers apparently swelled when they froze, creating a solid barrier.
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
>
> On 9/13/2016 9:56 AM, Don Harben via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I strong suggest NOT allowing any type of filter to freeze once it has had
> water in it.  Holes are created in the filter medium.
>
>
>
> I am involved with two land based water purification systems sourcing from
> lake water and one from a cistern.  It has has been an interesting learning
> curve involving filtering and UV treatment compared to "Water Makers" using
> reverse osmosis.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

FYI - I had a filter that made things WORSE. It would allow 
algae/bacteria/gross stuff to grow in it. I removed the filter and dumped a 
whole quart bottle of bleach in each tank. I let it sit for an hour, added 
water to the tanks, ran them dry, refilled with water, and the tank water has 
been nice ever since.
Joe
Coquina

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gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Bina - gmail
Subject: Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water


I had a household type in line filter with a paper element freeze. After it 
thawed, it would no longer pass anything, including water. The wet fibers 
apparently swelled when they froze, creating a solid barrier.

Bill Bina

On 9/13/2016 9:56 AM, Don Harben via CnC-List wrote:
Hi,

I strong suggest NOT allowing any type of filter to freeze once it has had 
water in it.  Holes are created in the filter medium.

I am involved with two land based water purification systems sourcing from lake 
water and one from a cistern.  It has has been an interesting learning curve 
involving filtering and UV treatment compared to "Water Makers" using reverse 
osmosis.

Don



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Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

I had a household type in line filter with a paper element freeze. After 
it thawed, it would no longer pass anything, including water. The wet 
fibers apparently swelled when they froze, creating a solid barrier.


Bill Bina


On 9/13/2016 9:56 AM, Don Harben via CnC-List wrote:

Hi,

I strong suggest NOT allowing any type of filter to freeze once it has 
had water in it.  Holes are created in the filter medium.


I am involved with two land based water purification systems sourcing 
from lake water and one from a cistern.  It has has been an 
interesting learning curve involving filtering and UV treatment 
compared to "Water Makers" using reverse osmosis.


Don




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Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Don Harben via CnC-List]

Hi,

I strong suggest NOT allowing any type of filter to freeze once it has had 
water in it.  Holes are created in the filter medium.

I am involved with two land based water purification systems sourcing from lake 
water and one from a cistern.  It has has been an interesting learning curve 
involving filtering and UV treatment compared to "Water Makers" using reverse 
osmosis. 

Don



> On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Re the filter, I have had good taste-improvement results from a quite 
> inexpensive whole-house clear shell water filter, using carbon cartridges, 
> bought from a big box home supply store. The goal was removing "tank taste", 
> and it has worked well this first year. I plan to change cartridges each 
> season, and need to remember that its one more thing to switch out and drain 
> as part of winterizing, but that's easy. It came with pipe thread fittings, 
> so adapters to PEX would be required. An example is:
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-Advanced-Household-Water-Filtration-System-HDG2VS4/205582288
> 
> Nate
> 1980 C 30-1 on the St. Croix River, WI
> 1994 Tartan 31 Siskiwit Bay Marina, Lake Superior
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Anyone ever remove the fresh water foot pump and instead install a filtered 
>> drinking water faucet? I'm thinking of doing so but am not completely sure 
>> if removing the foot pump is common or not. If not, what type of water 
>> filters would be good for installing under the galley sink and providing 
>> drinkable water on board without adding another faucet. 
>> 
>> I currently have a fresh water foot pump, salt water foot pump, and standard 
>> hot/cold water sink faucet. 
>> 
>> Where would I put the filter as well? Before or after the pump, before or 
>> after the water heater, one at each sink (galley/head)? I can't seem to find 
>> decent inline filters that have good flow and fittings for 1/2" PEX tubing. 
>> 
>> As I said in an earlier email, I'm replumbing the entire system using 1/2" 
>> PEX with SeaTech 35 series fittings, putting in a 3 GPM Shurflo pump, and 
>> would like to add filtering to make sure the water is drinkable. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
>> '82 34 #473
>> Japhys Spirit
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Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Thanks Nate, I'll have to keep that in mind.



Dennis, that reasoning is part of why I'm asking the question in the first
place. Trying to see what people have been doing on theirs. I wouldn't mind
putting in inline filters at the POU but the gpm rating makes me think it
might adversely affect usage. I want decent quality water on board (if we
have to drink it we won't die or get sick) for cooking and showers and
washing hands. For drinking water, I was partly thinking a better filter
which removes bacteria and replacing the foot pump with a dedicated faucet
for drinking, but wasn't sure if others have done that or not and if they
wish they kept the foot pump.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:35 AM Nate Flesness via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> before the pump. My sanitary routine is to leave the tank full, empty it
> on arrival at the boat (every week or two) and refill with fresh
> immediately. FYI practical sailor had an article on carbon filters a year
> or two ago and recommended the inexpensive home house filter rig, but went
> for a fancy high-performance special carbon filter. I've tried the cheap
> and readily available carbon filter off the store shelf ,and I've been
> happy. Water tastes OK from the tap now, and the coffee is immensely
> improved.
>
> Nate
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Nate,
>>
>> Did you put that before the pump or after? What do you put in your water
>> to keep it sanitary?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:12 AM Nate Flesness via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Re the filter, I have had good taste-improvement results from a quite
>>> inexpensive whole-house clear shell water filter, using carbon cartridges,
>>> bought from a big box home supply store. The goal was removing "tank
>>> taste", and it has worked well this first year. I plan to change cartridges
>>> each season, and need to remember that its one more thing to switch out and
>>> drain as part of winterizing, but that's easy. It came with pipe thread
>>> fittings, so adapters to PEX would be required. An example is:
>>>
>>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-Advanced-Household-Water-Filtration-System-HDG2VS4/205582288
>>>
>>> Nate
>>> 1980 C 30-1 on the St. Croix River, WI
>>> 1994 Tartan 31 Siskiwit Bay Marina, Lake Superior
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Anyone ever remove the fresh water foot pump and instead install a
 filtered drinking water faucet? I'm thinking of doing so but am not
 completely sure if removing the foot pump is common or not. If not, what
 type of water filters would be good for installing under the galley sink
 and providing drinkable water on board without adding another faucet.

 I currently have a fresh water foot pump, salt water foot pump, and
 standard hot/cold water sink faucet.

 Where would I put the filter as well? Before or after the pump, before
 or after the water heater, one at each sink (galley/head)? I can't seem to
 find decent inline filters that have good flow and fittings for 1/2" PEX
 tubing.

 As I said in an earlier email, I'm replumbing the entire system using
 1/2" PEX with SeaTech 35 series fittings, putting in a 3 GPM Shurflo pump,
 and would like to add filtering to make sure the water is drinkable.

 Thanks,
 Kevin
 '82 34 #473
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Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

before the pump. My sanitary routine is to leave the tank full, empty it on
arrival at the boat (every week or two) and refill with fresh immediately.
FYI practical sailor had an article on carbon filters a year or two ago and
recommended the inexpensive home house filter rig, but went for a fancy
high-performance special carbon filter. I've tried the cheap and readily
available carbon filter off the store shelf ,and I've been happy. Water
tastes OK from the tap now, and the coffee is immensely improved.

Nate

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Nate,
>
> Did you put that before the pump or after? What do you put in your water
> to keep it sanitary?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:12 AM Nate Flesness via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Re the filter, I have had good taste-improvement results from a quite
>> inexpensive whole-house clear shell water filter, using carbon cartridges,
>> bought from a big box home supply store. The goal was removing "tank
>> taste", and it has worked well this first year. I plan to change cartridges
>> each season, and need to remember that its one more thing to switch out and
>> drain as part of winterizing, but that's easy. It came with pipe thread
>> fittings, so adapters to PEX would be required. An example is:
>> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-Advanced-
>> Household-Water-Filtration-System-HDG2VS4/205582288
>>
>> Nate
>> 1980 C 30-1 on the St. Croix River, WI
>> 1994 Tartan 31 Siskiwit Bay Marina, Lake Superior
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone ever remove the fresh water foot pump and instead install a
>>> filtered drinking water faucet? I'm thinking of doing so but am not
>>> completely sure if removing the foot pump is common or not. If not, what
>>> type of water filters would be good for installing under the galley sink
>>> and providing drinkable water on board without adding another faucet.
>>>
>>> I currently have a fresh water foot pump, salt water foot pump, and
>>> standard hot/cold water sink faucet.
>>>
>>> Where would I put the filter as well? Before or after the pump, before
>>> or after the water heater, one at each sink (galley/head)? I can't seem to
>>> find decent inline filters that have good flow and fittings for 1/2" PEX
>>> tubing.
>>>
>>> As I said in an earlier email, I'm replumbing the entire system using
>>> 1/2" PEX with SeaTech 35 series fittings, putting in a 3 GPM Shurflo pump,
>>> and would like to add filtering to make sure the water is drinkable.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kevin
>>> '82 34 #473
>>> Japhys Spirit
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Keep in mind that if you are using boat water as potable water, activated
charcoal type filters remove chlorine (disinfectant).  The system will be
unprotected downstream of the filter.  There will be a small risk of
bacterial growth at the faucet.

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Nate,

Did you put that before the pump or after? What do you put in your water to
keep it sanitary?

Thanks,
Kevin

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:12 AM Nate Flesness via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Re the filter, I have had good taste-improvement results from a quite
> inexpensive whole-house clear shell water filter, using carbon cartridges,
> bought from a big box home supply store. The goal was removing "tank
> taste", and it has worked well this first year. I plan to change cartridges
> each season, and need to remember that its one more thing to switch out and
> drain as part of winterizing, but that's easy. It came with pipe thread
> fittings, so adapters to PEX would be required. An example is:
>
> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-Advanced-Household-Water-Filtration-System-HDG2VS4/205582288
>
> Nate
> 1980 C 30-1 on the St. Croix River, WI
> 1994 Tartan 31 Siskiwit Bay Marina, Lake Superior
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone ever remove the fresh water foot pump and instead install a
>> filtered drinking water faucet? I'm thinking of doing so but am not
>> completely sure if removing the foot pump is common or not. If not, what
>> type of water filters would be good for installing under the galley sink
>> and providing drinkable water on board without adding another faucet.
>>
>> I currently have a fresh water foot pump, salt water foot pump, and
>> standard hot/cold water sink faucet.
>>
>> Where would I put the filter as well? Before or after the pump, before or
>> after the water heater, one at each sink (galley/head)? I can't seem to
>> find decent inline filters that have good flow and fittings for 1/2" PEX
>> tubing.
>>
>> As I said in an earlier email, I'm replumbing the entire system using
>> 1/2" PEX with SeaTech 35 series fittings, putting in a 3 GPM Shurflo pump,
>> and would like to add filtering to make sure the water is drinkable.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
>> '82 34 #473
>> Japhys Spirit
>>
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Re: Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

Re the filter, I have had good taste-improvement results from a quite
inexpensive whole-house clear shell water filter, using carbon cartridges,
bought from a big box home supply store. The goal was removing "tank
taste", and it has worked well this first year. I plan to change cartridges
each season, and need to remember that its one more thing to switch out and
drain as part of winterizing, but that's easy. It came with pipe thread
fittings, so adapters to PEX would be required. An example is:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Glacier-Bay-Advanced-Household-Water-Filtration-System-HDG2VS4/205582288

Nate
1980 C 30-1 on the St. Croix River, WI
1994 Tartan 31 Siskiwit Bay Marina, Lake Superior

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Anyone ever remove the fresh water foot pump and instead install a
> filtered drinking water faucet? I'm thinking of doing so but am not
> completely sure if removing the foot pump is common or not. If not, what
> type of water filters would be good for installing under the galley sink
> and providing drinkable water on board without adding another faucet.
>
> I currently have a fresh water foot pump, salt water foot pump, and
> standard hot/cold water sink faucet.
>
> Where would I put the filter as well? Before or after the pump, before or
> after the water heater, one at each sink (galley/head)? I can't seem to
> find decent inline filters that have good flow and fittings for 1/2" PEX
> tubing.
>
> As I said in an earlier email, I'm replumbing the entire system using 1/2"
> PEX with SeaTech 35 series fittings, putting in a 3 GPM Shurflo pump, and
> would like to add filtering to make sure the water is drinkable.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> '82 34 #473
> Japhys Spirit
>
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Stus-List Filtered Fresh water

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Anyone ever remove the fresh water foot pump and instead install a filtered
drinking water faucet? I'm thinking of doing so but am not completely sure
if removing the foot pump is common or not. If not, what type of water
filters would be good for installing under the galley sink and providing
drinkable water on board without adding another faucet.

I currently have a fresh water foot pump, salt water foot pump, and
standard hot/cold water sink faucet.

Where would I put the filter as well? Before or after the pump, before or
after the water heater, one at each sink (galley/head)? I can't seem to
find decent inline filters that have good flow and fittings for 1/2" PEX
tubing.

As I said in an earlier email, I'm replumbing the entire system using 1/2"
PEX with SeaTech 35 series fittings, putting in a 3 GPM Shurflo pump, and
would like to add filtering to make sure the water is drinkable.

Thanks,
Kevin
'82 34 #473
Japhys Spirit
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