Stus-List Furler & spin halyards

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

FWIW,

I too have caught spin halyards in the furling genoa.  I learned from someone 
else, to flip the spin halyards behind the spreaders and avoid that problem.  I 
keep a small loop of line run through my shroud turnbuckles for the spin 
snapschackles and clip them there, one on each side and snug them up by hand on 
their clutches.  It's part of my prep before leaving the dock before going 
sailing.  The spin halyards lay on the upper part of V1 and I usually keep the 
spin halyards that way until I prep to leave the boat, when I clip them to the 
pulpit so they don't slap the mast or chafe on the rig.  It works well.  

Chuck S  

> On 01/27/2021 3:44 PM Matthew via CnC-List  wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Thanks, Don.  I’m unfortunately familiar with the whole spinnaker halyard 
> wrap thing.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Don Kern via CnC-List 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:39 PM
> To: Matthew via CnC-List 
> Cc: Don Kern 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Furler question
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Stus-List Furler

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Good morning sailor
I just bought myself a harken furler at the boat show
Does anyone need a furler with the forstay
It will come out of the mk1 30 foot
It a CD I furler
You may call me directly
905 818-1336
If you’re from the USA please text before calling
I don’t have a price in mind
Around 100$ to me or Stu donation
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Re: Stus-List Furler extrusion attachment to mast etc.

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Some plates are attached to the axles, and some are not. If yours isn't
attached to the axle, you can drill a small hole in the mast, opposite the
axle, and tap the axle out. (loosen the tension on the halyard first, so
the sheave doesn't get pulled into the mast. Position the mast so the
sheave is facing down. Once the axle is removed, the sheave should drop
out. The axle is non-ferrous, so a magnet can't be used.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:28 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I spent some time with several projects yesterday and need some
> help/advice (as usual):
>
> 1:  I want to examine my genoa halyard sheave (and possible replace it) to
> see why my halyard is being chewed up. Several riggers have looked for the
> problem, but I realize now that they could not possibly have been able to
> assess the problem since you cannot see the sheave.   There is a large
> stainless steel cage bolted to the mast whose purpose I am not sure of (I
> forgot to take a picture).  It was surprisingly easy to remove as the
> screws holding it to the mast since they appear to have been properly
> treated with anti-sieze compound (thank you PO!).  The halyard restrainer
> sits below that and was also easy to remove.  However, I still cannot get
> the cage out of the way to see the sheave because the furler extrusion is
> in the way. I might be able to swing the extrusion out of the way a bit if
> untied from the mast, but there is limited space in the mast storage area
> so not sure if I can.  So I am considering removing the extrusion where it
> attaches to the mast.   If I understand what I am looking at there is a
> large pin through the forestay end fitting and mast like a shackle pin but
> flush on either side that holds the extrusion to the mast.  There are
> screws heads on either side that appear to hold the pin in place (
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cHm4Ddo7wY1eFWug6
> ).
> I see nothing like that in the furler manual.  I am concerned that I am
> getting into something over my head in taking that apart.  I presume I
> would remove the screws and then pound the pin out.  Has anyone one this?
> Problems?
>
> 2.  Once that comes out, I should be able to see the sheave, but not sure
> how to remove it.  There is an aluminum plate on the side of the mast about
> where the sheave axle would be, but then what?  Is the sheave axle attached
> to the plate?
>
> 3.  I noticed that the messenger line running the length of the mast is
> looking pretty sad, and while I am working there, it would be good to
> replace it.  Any suggestions on the right kind of line to use for a new
> messenger?
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Furler extrusion attachment to mast etc.

[Jonathan Tebbens via CnC-List]

On my mast, the pin is welded to the pear shaped plate. Main sheave axle at
the head and two jib sheaves lower down. There is no hole on the opposite
side so pin is captive.
Jon Tebbens
'78 Mega


On Mon, 16 Mar 2020, 08:42 Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
wrote:

>   2.  Once that comes out, I should be able to see the sheave, but not
> sure how to remove it.  There is an aluminum plate on the side of the mast
> about where the sheave axle would be, but then what?  Is the sheave axle
> attached to the plate?
>
> No, the axle probably isn't attached to the plate, but the plate is there
> to keep it from coming out.  Remove the plate and them try a really strong
> magnet on the end of the shaft (hopefully there will be enough magnetic
> attraction to the axle) while you jiggle the sheave with a screwdriver
> poked into the halyard outlet.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Furler extrusion attachment to mast etc.

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

  2.  Once that comes out, I should be able to see the sheave, but not sure
how to remove it.  There is an aluminum plate on the side of the mast about
where the sheave axle would be, but then what?  Is the sheave axle attached
to the plate?

No, the axle probably isn't attached to the plate, but the plate is there
to keep it from coming out.  Remove the plate and them try a really strong
magnet on the end of the shaft (hopefully there will be enough magnetic
attraction to the axle) while you jiggle the sheave with a screwdriver
poked into the halyard outlet.

Ken H.

On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 09:28, David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I spent some time with several projects yesterday and need some
> help/advice (as usual):
>
> 1:  I want to examine my genoa halyard sheave (and possible replace it) to
> see why my halyard is being chewed up. Several riggers have looked for the
> problem, but I realize now that they could not possibly have been able to
> assess the problem since you cannot see the sheave.   There is a large
> stainless steel cage bolted to the mast whose purpose I am not sure of (I
> forgot to take a picture).  It was surprisingly easy to remove as the
> screws holding it to the mast since they appear to have been properly
> treated with anti-sieze compound (thank you PO!).  The halyard restrainer
> sits below that and was also easy to remove.  However, I still cannot get
> the cage out of the way to see the sheave because the furler extrusion is
> in the way. I might be able to swing the extrusion out of the way a bit if
> untied from the mast, but there is limited space in the mast storage area
> so not sure if I can.  So I am considering removing the extrusion where it
> attaches to the mast.   If I understand what I am looking at there is a
> large pin through the forestay end fitting and mast like a shackle pin but
> flush on either side that holds the extrusion to the mast.  There are
> screws heads on either side that appear to hold the pin in place (
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/cHm4Ddo7wY1eFWug6).  I see nothing like that in
> the furler manual.  I am concerned that I am getting into something over my
> head in taking that apart.  I presume I would remove the screws and then
> pound the pin out.  Has anyone one this?  Problems?
>
> 2.  Once that comes out, I should be able to see the sheave, but not sure
> how to remove it.  There is an aluminum plate on the side of the mast about
> where the sheave axle would be, but then what?  Is the sheave axle attached
> to the plate?
>
> 3.  I noticed that the messenger line running the length of the mast is
> looking pretty sad, and while I am working there, it would be good to
> replace it.  Any suggestions on the right kind of line to use for a new
> messenger?
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Stus-List Furler extrusion attachment to mast etc.

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I spent some time with several projects yesterday and need some help/advice (as 
usual):

1:  I want to examine my genoa halyard sheave (and possible replace it) to see 
why my halyard is being chewed up. Several riggers have looked for the problem, 
but I realize now that they could not possibly have been able to assess the 
problem since you cannot see the sheave.   There is a large stainless steel 
cage bolted to the mast whose purpose I am not sure of (I forgot to take a 
picture).  It was surprisingly easy to remove as the screws holding it to the 
mast since they appear to have been properly treated with anti-sieze compound 
(thank you PO!).  The halyard restrainer sits below that and was also easy to 
remove.  However, I still cannot get the cage out of the way to see the sheave 
because the furler extrusion is in the way. I might be able to swing the 
extrusion out of the way a bit if untied from the mast, but there is limited 
space in the mast storage area so not sure if I can.  So I am considering 
removing the extrusion where it attaches to the mast.   If I understand what I 
am looking at there is a large pin through the forestay end fitting and mast 
like a shackle pin but flush on either side that holds the extrusion to the 
mast.  There are screws heads on either side that appear to hold the pin in 
place (https://photos.app.goo.gl/cHm4Ddo7wY1eFWug6 
).  I see nothing like that in the 
furler manual.  I am concerned that I am getting into something over my head in 
taking that apart.  I presume I would remove the screws and then pound the pin 
out.  Has anyone one this?  Problems?

2.  Once that comes out, I should be able to see the sheave, but not sure how 
to remove it.  There is an aluminum plate on the side of the mast about where 
the sheave axle would be, but then what?  Is the sheave axle attached to the 
plate?

3.  I noticed that the messenger line running the length of the mast is looking 
pretty sad, and while I am working there, it would be good to replace it.  Any 
suggestions on the right kind of line to use for a new messenger?  

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Furler

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Fasten jib halyard(s) and Spin halyard at the bow, and tension (reserve 
one halyard for hoisting duties, use the main halyard for getting up the 
mast).  Go up the mast and drop the forestay. Assemble new furler to 
forestay.  Haul new forestay / furler up and fasten at masthead, then 
fasten at bow.

I did essentially this, but with a new forestay.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-07-05 11:58 PM, Paul Hood via CnC-List wrote:
> OKlearning as I go and this time I realized this should have been done
> while the mast was stepped...during the off season.  I removed foils and am
> trying to install Seafurl 5 (aka Hood) H253.
> I have a Navtec 0.25" rod stay.  It appears none of the components of the
> seafurl will fit over the coldheaded turnbuckle or the eye at top of stay.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWRHd3WnpyS0M3cWs&usp=shar
> ing
>
> I'm taking it in tomorrow to hopefully find a solution.  By phone it was
> suggested I bring in mast with it!!  Not going to happen.  They wanted to
> assemble the entire furling system on the stay and keep stay stiff when
> shipping, which is why the mast was to go with it.
> Otherwise, the option is to drill out the peen, screw off eye, replace peen
> with screw and send me on my way.  I will need to load stay with furler from
> top down then mount eye at top of stay.  That means I either step the mast
> or work on boat from top down.
>
> None of this sound really good to me.  Anyone experience something that
> works best?
>
> Paul
> 81 C&C34
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Furler

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

You can replace forestay with wire.  Much cheaper option than anything else

Mike
Persistence
halifax

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hood 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Hood
Subject: Stus-List Furler

OKlearning as I go and this time I realized this should have been done 
while the mast was stepped...during the off season.  I removed foils and am 
trying to install Seafurl 5 (aka Hood) H253.  
I have a Navtec 0.25" rod stay.  It appears none of the components of the 
seafurl will fit over the coldheaded turnbuckle or the eye at top of stay.  

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWRHd3WnpyS0M3cWs&usp=shar
ing

I'm taking it in tomorrow to hopefully find a solution.  By phone it was 
suggested I bring in mast with it!!  Not going to happen.  They wanted to 
assemble the entire furling system on the stay and keep stay stiff when 
shipping, which is why the mast was to go with it.  
Otherwise, the option is to drill out the peen, screw off eye, replace peen 
with screw and send me on my way.  I will need to load stay with furler from 
top down then mount eye at top of stay.  That means I either step the mast or 
work on boat from top down.  

None of this sound really good to me.  Anyone experience something that works 
best?

Paul
81 C&C34




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Stus-List Furler

[Paul Hood via CnC-List]

OKlearning as I go and this time I realized this should have been done
while the mast was stepped...during the off season.  I removed foils and am
trying to install Seafurl 5 (aka Hood) H253.  
I have a Navtec 0.25" rod stay.  It appears none of the components of the
seafurl will fit over the coldheaded turnbuckle or the eye at top of stay.  

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw4NOPYfe9OWRHd3WnpyS0M3cWs&usp=shar
ing

I'm taking it in tomorrow to hopefully find a solution.  By phone it was
suggested I bring in mast with it!!  Not going to happen.  They wanted to
assemble the entire furling system on the stay and keep stay stiff when
shipping, which is why the mast was to go with it.  
Otherwise, the option is to drill out the peen, screw off eye, replace peen
with screw and send me on my way.  I will need to load stay with furler from
top down then mount eye at top of stay.  That means I either step the mast
or work on boat from top down.  

None of this sound really good to me.  Anyone experience something that
works best?

Paul
81 C&C34




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Re: Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

My reasonable priced CDI furler is still going strong without any issues...


Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Curtis via CnC-List 

Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 8:46 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Curtis
Subject: Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1

I am the Harbor Master For a marina here in the Low-Country of South Carolina, 
I was hoping someone could share with me a contact name and number for a Furler 
dealer. I was hoping to get a discount for advertising their product line in my 
marina?

Second part, or question can you share some advise on the brand furler you have 
had good luck with or better yet any horor stories on the one I should not get 
for my boat? Thanks for your input.


I will be buying a new Scott sail designed for a furler %135



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Re: Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

What about Furlex furlers? I don’t have enough personal experience to judge 
which brand is better, but I liked my Furlex more than the current Harken. This 
might be a question of a model, but I hate the way the Harken (A00) attaches at 
the bow. You need 3-4 hands in order to attach the headstay (with the furler) 
to the chainplate. And the clevis pin is complex (and expensive (around $80) 
(http://ca.binnacle.com/p7445/HARKEN-CLEVIS-PIN-ASSEMBLY-5/16-INCH-UNIT-00AL/product_info.html))
 and have a tremendous propensity to jump into the water.

 

It looks like the new Harken furlers (MkIV) don’t have this issue.

 

The short story - check how the furler is installed, before you buy. 

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 09:27
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1

 

My buddy and I install Harken furlers.  In our opinion, they are the best.  I 
have had a Harken  MKIII  furler on Touche' for 16 years with no issues.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Feb 7, 2016 6:47 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I am the Harbor Master For a marina here in the Low-Country of South Carolina, 
I was hoping someone could share with me a contact name and number for a Furler 
dealer. I was hoping to get a discount for advertising their product line in my 
marina? 

 

Second part, or question can you share some advise on the brand furler you have 
had good luck with or better yet any horor stories on the one I should not get 
for my boat? Thanks for your input.

 

 

I will be buying a new Scott sail designed for a furler %135

 




 

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Re: Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I just looked at defender and they seem to have a display model harken mkiv for 
a boat your size for 1600.
They also have some for less.  Shaffer, profurl, ...


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: 
"Dennis C. via CnC-List"  Date: 2/7/2016  9:27 AM  
(GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Dennis C."  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1 
My buddy and I install Harken furlers.  In our opinion, they are the best.  I 
have had a Harken  MKIII  furler on Touche' for 16 years with no issues.
Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA
On Feb 7, 2016 6:47 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List"  wrote:
I am the Harbor Master For a marina here in the Low-Country of South Carolina, 
I was hoping someone could share with me a contact name and number for a Furler 
dealer. I was hoping to get a discount for advertising their product line in my 
marina? 
Second part, or question can you share some advise on the brand furler you have 
had good luck with or better yet any horor stories on the one I should not get 
for my boat? Thanks for your input.

I will be buying a new Scott sail designed for a furler %135


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not how much."

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Re: Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My buddy and I install Harken furlers.  In our opinion, they are the best.
I have had a Harken  MKIII  furler on Touche' for 16 years with no issues.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
On Feb 7, 2016 6:47 AM, "Curtis via CnC-List"  wrote:

> I am the Harbor Master For a marina here in the Low-Country of South
> Carolina, I was hoping someone could share with me a contact name and
> number for a Furler dealer. I was hoping to get a discount for advertising
> their product line in my marina?
>
> Second part, or question can you share some advise on the brand furler you
> have had good luck with or better yet any horor stories on the one I should
> not get for my boat? Thanks for your input.
>
>
> I will be buying a new Scott sail designed for a furler %135
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Best regards,*
>
> *Capt,Curtis McDaniel*
>
>
>
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> <470-313-0918>*
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Re: Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

The boat shows or the Defender spring sale should get you some kind of deal. 
Defender had some good furlers on clearance last year.  I can't remember what 
brand they were right now. 
I did install a superfurl on my 22 o'day some years ago.  I'd consider one of 
these again.  Easy to install,  very reasonable price,  made in USA.  The owner 
was available for advice. 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: 
Curtis via CnC-List  Date: 2/7/2016  8:46 AM  
(GMT-05:00) To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  Cc: Curtis 
 Subject: Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1 
I am the Harbor Master For a marina here in the Low-Country of South Carolina, 
I was hoping someone could share with me a contact name and number for a Furler 
dealer. I was hoping to get a discount for advertising their product line in my 
marina? 
Second part, or question can you share some advise on the brand furler you have 
had good luck with or better yet any horor stories on the one I should not get 
for my boat? Thanks for your input.

I will be buying a new Scott sail designed for a furler %135


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not how much."

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Stus-List Furler for my C&C30 MK1

[Curtis via CnC-List]

I am the Harbor Master For a marina here in the Low-Country of South
Carolina, I was hoping someone could share with me a contact name and
number for a Furler dealer. I was hoping to get a discount for advertising
their product line in my marina?

Second part, or question can you share some advise on the brand furler you
have had good luck with or better yet any horor stories on the one I should
not get for my boat? Thanks for your input.


I will be buying a new Scott sail designed for a furler %135



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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

+1 for the Furlex. I had Furlex on my C&C 24 and now I have a Harken A00. Night 
and day. Furlex is substantially easier to attach (and detach) when you take 
the mast down or step the mast back (and we do it twice a year).

I think both (Harken and Furlex) are designed for DIY installation (the 
instructions are very detailed).

You will need a new headstay (or at least re-swage it).

I would toss the old hank-on sails and get a new 135 jib. The 135 is assuming 
that you have “average” winds. Some people like even smaller sails, if the area 
where you sail has strong winds. You should be able to get a new jib for under 
$1500.

Marek
C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 00:45
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furler system

Curtis,

I installed a Furlex 200s on my last boat. The rigger/sail maker that sold it 
to me evidently was not supposed to allow me to install it myself. I think that 
for the same price he would have done the work. I just like DIY. The 200s is 
their smallest furler and would probably be sufficient for your application. I 
really like the design A LOT! One thing to consider is the annual maintenance. 
With Harken, the delrin bearings don't require anything but a freshwater rinse 
and some mclube. Furlex has SS bearings which are supposed to be fresh water 
rinsed and greased. SS seems more durable but heavier and requires more-ish 
maintenance. A Furlex comes with a new headstay which, if you decide to install 
yourself, can be easily made up and terminated with the included swageless 
fitting. Really nice. Well engineered. I paid ~1200 for the furler and then 
after installation had a sail made for ~$1300.

BTW the headstay is a single point vulnerability which could cause a loss of 
the mast. If it hasn't been replaced, it probably should be. I would take this 
opportunity to upsize the wire. I'm currently having the rod rigging in my 30 
year old furler replaced. Upsized from #12 to #17 Navteq rod. Break strength 
from 12500 to 17500 and only about 3 lbs heavier. Just piece of mind. 

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Jan 5, 2016 9:03 PM, "Curtis via CnC-List"  wrote:

  I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail and furler system 
for my C&C30MK1. 1981 1/4 ss wire

  Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no Idea how to proceed. I have a 
115% 135% and a 170%. all hank on sails. I have a asymmetrical in a sock as 
well. 

  My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 5 grand.

  I'm looking for advise on the complete package.

  1) can I install it?

  2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing?

  3) my sails are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out and buy new?

  3) Asy furler?

  Thanks for your help







  Capt,Curtis McDaniel


  Dataw island Marina

  843-838-8410 Office

  http://www.datawmarina.com/




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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Curtis

I the sails are that old and you do plan to enter some club races consider 
going 135% and tossing the old sails into a storage bin and throw away the key. 
 Find your area phrf adjustments to ensure the sail is not just over a 
threshold and go from there.  In our area the standard boat comes with 155% 
headsail with no adjustment, up to 135 with +6 sec/mile, 110 or less with 12 
sec /mile.  Note that these adjustments are for MASTHEAD RIGS ONLY (ex. C&C 
30-1) sailing with no spinnaker.  There is an additional adjustment for 
masthead non spinnaker boats of a further +18 sec/mile.

A C&C Redwing 30 at our club went thru exactly your exercise a few years back. 
They ended up with a 135% furling headsail and dropped the old 150 hank on from 
their inventory.  The 135 being new was far faster than the old 150 in all 
winds and also gave them the 6 sec/mile adjustment.  Their overall happiness 
was thru the roof as they now had the convenience of a 135.  My friends with 
the Redwing do between 5 and 10 club races a year mostly against other mom and 
pop boats like the C&C 30-1 (there are four or five at the club) and one other 
redwing 30.   They had North Sails Atlantic perform the work and provide the 
sails and furling.

Best of luck with this.  You and your wife will LOVE IT!!!

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Curtis
Subject: Stus-List Furler system


I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail and furler system 
for my C&C30MK1.  1981 1/4 ss wire

Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no Idea how to proceed. I have a 115% 
135% and a 170%. all hank on sails. I have a asymmetrical in a sock as well.

My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 5 grand.

I'm looking for advise on the complete package.

1) can I install it?

2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing?

3) my sails are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out and buy new?

3) Asy furler?

Thanks for your help





Capt,Curtis McDaniel



Dataw island Marina

843-838-8410 Office

http://www.datawmarina.com/

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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Curtis,

I installed a Furlex 200s on my last boat.  The rigger/sail maker that sold
it to me evidently was not supposed to allow me to install it myself.  I
think that for the same price he would have done the work.  I just like
DIY.  The 200s is their smallest furler and would probably be sufficient
for your application.  I really like the design A LOT!  One thing to
consider is the annual maintenance.  With Harken, the delrin bearings don't
require anything but a freshwater rinse and some mclube.  Furlex has SS
bearings which are supposed to be fresh water rinsed and greased.  SS seems
more durable but heavier and requires more-ish maintenance.  A Furlex comes
with a new headstay which, if you decide to install yourself, can be easily
made up and terminated with the included swageless fitting.  Really nice.
Well engineered.  I paid ~1200 for the furler and then after installation
had a sail made for ~$1300.

BTW the headstay is a single point vulnerability which could cause a loss
of the mast.  If it hasn't been replaced, it probably should be.  I would
take this opportunity to upsize the wire.  I'm currently having the rod
rigging in my 30 year old furler replaced.  Upsized from #12 to #17 Navteq
rod.  Break strength from 12500 to 17500 and only about 3 lbs heavier.
Just piece of mind.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jan 5, 2016 9:03 PM, "Curtis via CnC-List"  wrote:

> I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail and furler
> system for my C&C30MK1.  1981 1/4 ss wire
>
> Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no Idea how to proceed. I have a
> 115% 135% and a 170%. all hank on sails. I have a asymmetrical in a sock as
> well.
>
> My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 5 grand.
>
> I'm looking for advise on the complete package.
>
> 1) can I install it?
>
> 2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing?
>
> 3) my sails are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out and buy new?
>
> 3) Asy furler?
>
> Thanks for your help
>
>
>
> Capt,Curtis McDaniel
>
>
>
> Dataw island Marina
>
> 843-838-8410 <843-554-8901> Office
>
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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

I installed a Selden Furlex unit on my C&C 27 Mk I with no prior
experience. The package back then included a new head stay which was metric
in both the cable and pin size. Mast stayed up during the install. I had an
engineer friend check my measurements before I cut anything.

After Katrina, my sons and I installed a Schaffer 1000 on my replacement
C&C 30 Mk I. Mast was left standing. Different assembly from the Furlex,
but no problem with either brand. Follow the instructions and measure
carefully before cutting.


Ed
Briar Patch
C&C 34 1981
New Orleans

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Michael Cotton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Defender had Pro Furl for $850.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 7:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
>
> If you are reasonably handy then you can install it.  Best to drop the
> mast, but it can be done mast up if you can keep the forestay.  And keeping
> the forestay will depend on what furler you go with, I've got a Harken
> cruising unit #1, had to change the forestay when I installed it.
>
> I'd go with a new sail, but then it is really easy to recommend to someone
> else that they spend their money...
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-01-05 10:24 PM, Curtis via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I have mostly light winds here in Beaufort SC.
> So out to 150% or at least a 135% would be best.
> But, Can I install it? do I keep my forstay?
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
> Congrats!
> My 2 cents:
>
> 15 - 25 year old sails are shot.  I don't know what your wind conditions
> are like, but I would buy a Harken furler and a good Dacron sail that
> covers most of your wind conditions.Partially furled sails are not
> great upwind, but are fine for cruising.
> It will cost several hundred dollars each to convert the old sails.  You
> might be better off picking up a used #3 and converting the #1 or vice
> versa depending on condition.
> You can stay within your budget if you shop around.
> If you are happy with the sock, keep it.
>
> Joel.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Curtis via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
> I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail and furler
> system for my C&C30MK1.  1981 1/4 ss wire
> Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no Idea how to proceed. I have a
> 115% 135% and a 170%. all hank on sails. I have a asymmetrical in a sock as
> well.
> My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 5 grand.
> I'm looking for advise on the complete package.
> 1) can I install it?
> 2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing?
> 3) my sails are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out and buy new?
> 3) Asy furler?
> Thanks for your help
>
>
> Capt,Curtis McDaniel
>
> Dataw island Marina
> 843-838-8410 Office
> * http://www.datawmarina.com/
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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Michael Cotton via CnC-List]

Defender had Pro Furl for $850. 

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 7:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

  If you are reasonably handy then you can install it.  Best to drop the mast, 
but it can be done mast up if you can keep the forestay.  And keeping the 
forestay will depend on what furler you go with, I've got a Harken cruising 
unit #1, had to change the forestay when I installed it.
 
 I'd go with a new sail, but then it is really easy to recommend to someone 
else that they spend their money...  
 Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11 On 2016-01-05 10:24 PM, Curtis via CnC-List wrote:
  
 I have mostly light winds here in Beaufort SC. So out to 150% or at least a 
135% would be best. But, Can I install it? do I keep my forstay? 
   
 On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
Congrats! My 2 cents: 
  15 - 25 year old sails are shot.  I don't know what your wind conditions are 
like, but I would buy a Harken furler and a good Dacron sail that covers most 
of your wind conditions.    Partially furled sails are not great upwind, but 
are fine for cruising. It will cost several hundred dollars each to convert the 
old sails.  You might be better off picking up a used #3 and converting the #1 
or vice versa depending on condition. You can stay within your budget if you 
shop around.   If you are happy with the sock, keep it. 
  Joel.  
 
 On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Curtis via CnC-List  wrote:
 
  I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail and furler system 
for my C&C30MK1.  1981 1/4 ss wire Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no 
Idea how to proceed. I have a 115% 135% and a 170%. all hank on sails.  I have 
a asymmetrical in a sock as well.  My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 
5 grand. I'm looking for advise on the complete package. 1) can I install it? 
2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing? 3) my sails 
are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out and buy new? 3) Asy furler? 
Thanks for your help 
  
  Capt,Curtis McDaniel   Dataw island Marina 843-838-8410 Office 
http://www.datawmarina.com/
  
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didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away 
from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. 
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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I was able to keep my rod forestay and my rigger did discount the furler
and did the install as Dennis suggested.  The mast was down anyhow.

Joel


On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If you are reasonably handy then you can install it.  Best to drop the
> mast, but it can be done mast up if you can keep the forestay.  And keeping
> the forestay will depend on what furler you go with, I've got a Harken
> cruising unit #1, had to change the forestay when I installed it.
>
> I'd go with a new sail, but then it is really easy to recommend to someone
> else that they spend their money...
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-01-05 10:24 PM, Curtis via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I have mostly light winds here in Beaufort SC.
> So out to 150% or at least a 135% would be best.
> But, Can I install it? do I keep my forstay?
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Congrats!
>> My 2 cents:
>>
>> 15 - 25 year old sails are shot.  I don't know what your wind conditions
>> are like, but I would buy a Harken furler and a good Dacron sail that
>> covers most of your wind conditions.Partially furled sails are not
>> great upwind, but are fine for cruising.
>> It will cost several hundred dollars each to convert the old sails.  You
>> might be better off picking up a used #3 and converting the #1 or vice
>> versa depending on condition.
>> You can stay within your budget if you shop around.
>> If you are happy with the sock, keep it.
>>
>> Joel.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Curtis via CnC-List > > wrote:
>>
>>> I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail and furler
>>> system for my C&C30MK1.  1981 1/4 ss wire
>>>
>>> Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no Idea how to proceed. I have
>>> a 115% 135% and a 170%. all hank on sails. I have a asymmetrical in a sock
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 5 grand.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for advise on the complete package.
>>>
>>> 1) can I install it?
>>>
>>> 2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing?
>>>
>>> 3) my sails are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out and buy
>>> new?
>>>
>>> 3) Asy furler?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Capt,Curtis McDaniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dataw island Marina
>>>
>>> 843-838-8410 <843-554-8901> Office
>>>
>>> * http://www.datawmarina.com/
>>> *
>>>
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>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
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>
>
> *C&C 30-MK1 East Coast Lady *
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> didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away
> from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
> Discover.  -Mark Twain
> http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/
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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

If you are reasonably handy then you can install it.  Best to drop the 
mast, but it can be done mast up if you can keep the forestay. And 
keeping the forestay will depend on what furler you go with, I've got a 
Harken cruising unit #1, had to change the forestay when I installed it.


I'd go with a new sail, but then it is really easy to recommend to 
someone else that they spend their money...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-01-05 10:24 PM, Curtis via CnC-List wrote:

I have mostly light winds here in Beaufort SC.
So out to 150% or at least a 135% would be best.
But, Can I install it? do I keep my forstay?


On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Congrats!
My 2 cents:

15 - 25 year old sails are shot.  I don't know what your wind
conditions are like, but I would buy a Harken furler and a good
Dacron sail that covers most of your wind conditions.Partially
furled sails are not great upwind, but are fine for cruising.
It will cost several hundred dollars each to convert the old
sails.  You might be better off picking up a used #3 and
converting the #1 or vice versa depending on condition.
You can stay within your budget if you shop around.
If you are happy with the sock, keep it.

Joel.


On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Curtis via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail
and furler system for my C&C30MK1.  1981 1/4 ss wire

Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no Idea how to
proceed. I have a 115% 135% and a 170%. all hank on sails. I
have a asymmetrical in a sock as well.

My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 5 grand.

I'm looking for advise on the complete package.

1) can I install it?

2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing?

3) my sails are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out
and buy new?

3) Asy furler?

Thanks for your help



Capt,Curtis McDaniel

Dataw island Marina

843-838-8410  Office

_http://www.datawmarina.com/_


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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Curtis,

My buddy and I professionally install and repair furlers.  We've worked on
many brands.  IMHO, the best of the lot is Harken.  ProFurls are good also.

Yes, you can install it yourself.  It's not rocket science.  However, I
wouldn't recommend it.

There are a few things to watch out for that a competent rigger will know.
For instance, you need two axes of rotation on each end of the forestay.
Chances are your existing rig has it but if it doesn't and you simply
replaced what's there, it would be a mistake.  Measuring the forestay pin
to pin distance is critical.  Cutting the extrusion involves a bit of
complicated math.  While the Harken instructions are good and precise, it's
easy to make a mistake.

Harken is a great company with excellent customer support.  If you decide
to do it yourself, they can answer questions.

Many riggers can get furlers at a discount which will help offset their
labor to install it.  I'd get some quotes.  You may find the price
difference is not that great.  The reassurance that it has been installed
properly will be worth the extra $$.

Also, a competent rigger should inspect your rig while he's aloft.  I
always do.  I check all mast and speader hardware, fasteners, pins, etc. on
the way up to drop the forestay.  that way, I can fix anything on the
second trip up to install the furler.

You'll want a new forestay.  You'll have to use a rigging shop for that
regardless.  Again, a rigger may be able to save a bit there also.  You'll
need to block the mast to the bowstem while the forestay is gone.

You'll want to make sure that your rig is raked properly.  If not, now is
the time to change it when you make the new forestay.

I added some rake to Touche's mast a while back by lengthening the
forestay.  It was easy for me because my buddy and I did it.  Just cost the
price of the new stay and a couple hours of our time.

So, you see installing a forestay, while fairly straightforward, involves
more than just following the instructions.

As part of the install, I recommend the Harken 7404 stanchion block kit.  I
upgraded my boat to this system and love it.  This is something you can
install yourself easily.

You can convert your existing sails to tape.  Most sail makers charge by
the foot of luff.  If you convert all your sails, I'd ask for a volume
discount.  Again, shop around.  Any loft can do this.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Curtis via CnC-List]

I have mostly light winds here in Beaufort SC.
So out to 150% or at least a 135% would be best.
But, Can I install it? do I keep my forstay?


On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Congrats!
> My 2 cents:
>
> 15 - 25 year old sails are shot.  I don't know what your wind conditions
> are like, but I would buy a Harken furler and a good Dacron sail that
> covers most of your wind conditions.Partially furled sails are not
> great upwind, but are fine for cruising.
> It will cost several hundred dollars each to convert the old sails.  You
> might be better off picking up a used #3 and converting the #1 or vice
> versa depending on condition.
> You can stay within your budget if you shop around.
> If you are happy with the sock, keep it.
>
> Joel.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Curtis via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail and furler
>> system for my C&C30MK1.  1981 1/4 ss wire
>>
>> Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no Idea how to proceed. I have a
>> 115% 135% and a 170%. all hank on sails. I have a asymmetrical in a sock as
>> well.
>>
>> My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 5 grand.
>>
>> I'm looking for advise on the complete package.
>>
>> 1) can I install it?
>>
>> 2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing?
>>
>> 3) my sails are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out and buy
>> new?
>>
>> 3) Asy furler?
>>
>> Thanks for your help
>>
>>
>>
>> Capt,Curtis McDaniel
>>
>>
>>
>> Dataw island Marina
>>
>> 843-838-8410 <843-554-8901> Office
>>
>> *http://www.datawmarina.com/ *
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Furler system

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Congrats!
My 2 cents:

15 - 25 year old sails are shot.  I don't know what your wind conditions
are like, but I would buy a Harken furler and a good Dacron sail that
covers most of your wind conditions.Partially furled sails are not
great upwind, but are fine for cruising.
It will cost several hundred dollars each to convert the old sails.  You
might be better off picking up a used #3 and converting the #1 or vice
versa depending on condition.
You can stay within your budget if you shop around.
If you are happy with the sock, keep it.

Joel.

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wrote:

> I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail and furler
> system for my C&C30MK1.  1981 1/4 ss wire
>
> Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no Idea how to proceed. I have a
> 115% 135% and a 170%. all hank on sails. I have a asymmetrical in a sock as
> well.
>
> My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 5 grand.
>
> I'm looking for advise on the complete package.
>
> 1) can I install it?
>
> 2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing?
>
> 3) my sails are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out and buy new?
>
> 3) Asy furler?
>
> Thanks for your help
>
>
>
> Capt,Curtis McDaniel
>
>
>
> Dataw island Marina
>
> 843-838-8410 <843-554-8901> Office
>
> *http://www.datawmarina.com/ *
>
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>
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Stus-List Furler system

[Curtis via CnC-List]

I have the approval from the admiral to purchase a new sail and furler
system for my C&C30MK1.  1981 1/4 ss wire

Any advise on how or what to buy? I have no Idea how to proceed. I have a
115% 135% and a 170%. all hank on sails. I have a asymmetrical in a sock as
well.

My budget needs to be around or below $4, to 5 grand.

I'm looking for advise on the complete package.

1) can I install it?

2) how do I know what to buy? I sail local with fun club racing?

3) my sails are all from the 1980's and 1990's? Throw them out and buy new?

3) Asy furler?

Thanks for your help



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Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

If you have rod rigging, the Harken is the only one that goes over rod.  It
makes no sense to buy a cheaper firler and a new headstay IMHO.

Joel

On Sunday, May 4, 2014, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I install and service roller furlers. There are some good ones and there
> are some that are junk.
>
> If I was installing a new furler on Touché, it would be a Harken MKIV.
>  The price differential for the smaller furlers over Harken's cruising
> furlers isn't that great.  The MKIV 's are bombproof.
>
> I've had a Harken Unit 1 MKIII on Touché for 15 years and it has performed
> flawlessly in all conditions.  I just furled it in the last hour. Furled
> easily.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touché 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 4, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> >
> > I got my Harken Mark IV Unit 0 on sale at Binnacle.ca for under $1200
> and free shipping. Local quotes were up in the range of $1600.  Toggle was
> on sale at Binnacle too. They don't have a sale on right now and of course
> it doesn't work if you are not in Canada but these units do go on sale
> fairly often.
> >
> > I think with a C&C 26 a Unit 00 would work as well but that's at the
> upper range for this unit.
> >
> > The Mark IV's have independent top and bottom swivels so that the sail
> starts furling more evenly over the length of the foil, resulting in better
> sail shape (or so I am told). The ESP units have a fixed lower swivel. The
> basket and drum of the Mark IV remove as well for racing.
> >
> > Taking down the old furler, assembling the new one and installing it
> with a new forestay was probably in the range of another $1,000 from the
> rigger (I had some other work done too).
> >
> > As far as sails go I ordered a new genoa in January. I looked at North,
> UK, Doyle, a local loft (Leitch & McBride) and a number of the online
> suppliers. North had boat show pricing but the local loft matched that
> price and provided a sail made locally.
> >
> > Interesting that the fall-season North Sails 'trade-in' program pricing
> was substantially less than the mid-winter boat show pricing even though
> both were identified as '20% off'  (leading me to believe that the regional
> North loft gets a lot better 'factory-supported' pricing for the trade-in
> program than they can supply for boat show season).
> >
> > I also noted that some of the online sail companies give discounts for
> multiple sails too.
> >
> > I'm not sure what other sales are available throughout the year, but it
> might just be worth it to wait and buy your components as you can get the
> best deals.
> >
> > Peter Fell
> > Sidney, BC
> > C&C 27 MkIII
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Allen White via CnC-List
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 7:17 AM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> > Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice
> >
> > With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have
> decided
> > to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my
> 26.
> > Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I
> seem
> > to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
> > What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?
> >
> > Allen
> >
> > Allen White
> > 1977 C & C 26
> >
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Harken

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   2. Re:  Furler Choice (Rich Knowles via CnC-List)
   3. Re:  Furler Choice (Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List)
   4. Re:  Furler Choice (via CnC-List)
   5. Re:  Furler Choice (Dennis C. via CnC-List)
   6. Re:  Furler Choice (via CnC-List)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 10:17:21 -0400
From: Allen White via CnC-List 
To: 
Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice
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With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

Allen White
1977 C & C 26





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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 11:58:30 -0300
From: Rich Knowles via CnC-List 
To: Allen White ,cnc-list Cnc-List

Subject: Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
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Allen: As you note, there are many different systems out there. My
guidelines for buying this type of item are:

1. Buy the best I can afford as it will likely provide the best service.
2. Buy a well known brand as that generally means it works well, is well
supported, and will add to the perceived value of the boat for a future
purchaser.
3. Buy the size recommended by the manufacturer for the boat.
4. Replace any dubious hardware on the boat that will be associated with the
new purchase. For a furler, replace the headstay and fittings if at all
questionable.

Given the above, I?d buy a Harken. I have installed several on your size
boat and have had no complaints.

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax, NS.





On May 4, 2014, at 11:17, Allen White via CnC-List 
wrote:

With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

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Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 11:28:43 -0400
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
To: "Allen White" ,
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
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I think that two options come to mind: Furlex and Harken. Of the two, i
would buy the one that i could get at a better price. No question, follow
manufacturer's recommendations regarding the model (size). Unless you have a
fairly new stay, i would replace it, as you don't want to do it once the
furler is installed.

Marek (in Ottawa)

-Original Message-
From: Allen White via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice

With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

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Date: Sun, 4 May 2014 15:25:55 +
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To: Allen White ,
"=?utf-8?Q?cnc-list@cnc-list.com?=" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Furler Choice
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Allen,




I have a C&C 26.

I?ve had the boat about 12 years and it

Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I install and service roller furlers. There are some good ones and there are 
some that are junk. 

If I was installing a new furler on Touché, it would be a Harken MKIV.  The 
price differential for the smaller furlers over Harken's cruising furlers isn't 
that great.  The MKIV 's are bombproof. 

I've had a Harken Unit 1 MKIII on Touché for 15 years and it has performed 
flawlessly in all conditions.  I just furled it in the last hour. Furled 
easily. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I got my Harken Mark IV Unit 0 on sale at Binnacle.ca for under $1200 and 
> free shipping. Local quotes were up in the range of $1600.  Toggle was on 
> sale at Binnacle too. They don't have a sale on right now and of course it 
> doesn't work if you are not in Canada but these units do go on sale fairly 
> often.
> 
> I think with a C&C 26 a Unit 00 would work as well but that's at the upper 
> range for this unit.
> 
> The Mark IV's have independent top and bottom swivels so that the sail starts 
> furling more evenly over the length of the foil, resulting in better sail 
> shape (or so I am told). The ESP units have a fixed lower swivel. The basket 
> and drum of the Mark IV remove as well for racing.
> 
> Taking down the old furler, assembling the new one and installing it with a 
> new forestay was probably in the range of another $1,000 from the rigger (I 
> had some other work done too).
> 
> As far as sails go I ordered a new genoa in January. I looked at North, UK, 
> Doyle, a local loft (Leitch & McBride) and a number of the online suppliers. 
> North had boat show pricing but the local loft matched that price and 
> provided a sail made locally.
> 
> Interesting that the fall-season North Sails 'trade-in' program pricing was 
> substantially less than the mid-winter boat show pricing even though both 
> were identified as '20% off'  (leading me to believe that the regional North 
> loft gets a lot better 'factory-supported' pricing for the trade-in program 
> than they can supply for boat show season).
> 
> I also noted that some of the online sail companies give discounts for 
> multiple sails too.
> 
> I'm not sure what other sales are available throughout the year, but it might 
> just be worth it to wait and buy your components as you can get the best 
> deals.
> 
> Peter Fell
> Sidney, BC
> C&C 27 MkIII
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Allen White via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 7:17 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice
> 
> With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
> to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
> Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
> to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
> What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?
> 
> Allen
> 
> Allen White
> 1977 C & C 26
> 
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Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

That was me that talked about the super furl.

The beauty of the superfurl was the quality for the price and not needing a new 
sail.  I installed the furler and  new slugs on the sail myself myself.

I wouldn't hesitate to use another one on my boat.

I would have to look but, I think I paid about $800 for the one on my 22' o'day 
and installation was free.

Danny


From my Android phone

 Original message 
From: Allen White via CnC-List  
Date: 05/04/2014  10:17 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice 
 
With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

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Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

I got my Harken Mark IV Unit 0 on sale at Binnacle.ca for under $1200 and 
free shipping. Local quotes were up in the range of $1600.  Toggle was on 
sale at Binnacle too. They don't have a sale on right now and of course it 
doesn't work if you are not in Canada but these units do go on sale fairly 
often.


I think with a C&C 26 a Unit 00 would work as well but that's at the upper 
range for this unit.


The Mark IV's have independent top and bottom swivels so that the sail 
starts furling more evenly over the length of the foil, resulting in better 
sail shape (or so I am told). The ESP units have a fixed lower swivel. The 
basket and drum of the Mark IV remove as well for racing.


Taking down the old furler, assembling the new one and installing it with a 
new forestay was probably in the range of another $1,000 from the rigger (I 
had some other work done too).


As far as sails go I ordered a new genoa in January. I looked at North, UK, 
Doyle, a local loft (Leitch & McBride) and a number of the online suppliers. 
North had boat show pricing but the local loft matched that price and 
provided a sail made locally.


Interesting that the fall-season North Sails 'trade-in' program pricing was 
substantially less than the mid-winter boat show pricing even though both 
were identified as '20% off'  (leading me to believe that the regional North 
loft gets a lot better 'factory-supported' pricing for the trade-in program 
than they can supply for boat show season).


I also noted that some of the online sail companies give discounts for 
multiple sails too.


I'm not sure what other sales are available throughout the year, but it 
might just be worth it to wait and buy your components as you can get the 
best deals.


Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
C&C 27 MkIII


-Original Message- 
From: Allen White via CnC-List

Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 7:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice

With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

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Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

I see Harken has a style of furler developed to be affordable for coastal 
cruising called the ESP.


http://www.westmarine.com/big-boat-furlers/harken--esp-jib-furling-and-reefing-boat-length-20-to-28--14136303

At about 1K, it's way more affordable than the more sophisticated Harken 
units and comparable in price to the cheaper furlers on the market.


I would think buying the Harken Unit 0 or 1 would be an issue for a 26 
because, by the time you finished the project with rigging, sails, etc., you 
will have spent big , possibly approaching the value of the boat itself.


Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.

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From: Allen White via CnC-List

Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:17 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice

With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

Allen White
1977 C & C 26



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Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

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Allen,


I see you’re thinking of a new sail too.

If your old, hank on sail is in good condition you might want to consider 
having a luff tape installed on that.


But, if you’ve got the money, the best investment (by far) for your sailboat is 
new sails.

I bought a new set of sails a few years after I bought the 26. I didn’t think 
the old sails were that bad, but I was wrong. With new sails it was a different 
boat. The 26 is a bit tender anyway, but with new sails she stood right up; 
pointed better; went faster!

I’ve since bought a laminate 135% and that is even better.


(off topic - the next best investment is self tailers)






sam :-)


C&C 26 Liquorice

Ghost Lake Alberta





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With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

Allen White
1977 C & C 26



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Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Harken.

Dennis C.


On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Allen White via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
> to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my
> 26.
> Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
> to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
> What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?
>
> Allen
>
> Allen White
> 1977 C & C 26
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

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Allen,




I have a C&C 26.

I’ve had the boat about 12 years and it came with a Profurl furler.

I don’t know how old the furler was when I bought the boat but it’s still going 
strong.

A couple of seasons ago I replaced all the standing rigging including the 
forestay.

Because that meant I would have to disassemble the furler, I replaced all the 
plastic bearings inside the foil. The furler came apart easily and went 
together fine too. All I needed were a bunch of plastic bearings. (And I don’t 
think it was really necessary to replace them - but I had it apart…)






Having said that, Rich gives good advice about Harken. They make good kit and 
you can’t really go wrong with their equipment.




sam :-)


C&C 26 Liquorice

Ghost Lake Alberta





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With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

Allen White
1977 C & C 26



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Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I think that two options come to mind: Furlex and Harken. Of the two, i 
would buy the one that i could get at a better price. No question, follow 
manufacturer's recommendations regarding the model (size). Unless you have a 
fairly new stay, i would replace it, as you don't want to do it once the 
furler is installed.


Marek (in Ottawa)

-Original Message- 
From: Allen White via CnC-List

Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Furler Choice

With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

Allen White
1977 C & C 26



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Re: Stus-List Furler Choice

[Rich Knowles via CnC-List]

Allen: As you note, there are many different systems out there. My guidelines 
for buying this type of item are:

1. Buy the best I can afford as it will likely provide the best service.
2. Buy a well known brand as that generally means it works well, is well 
supported, and will add to the perceived value of the boat for a future 
purchaser.
3. Buy the size recommended by the manufacturer for the boat.
4. Replace any dubious hardware on the boat that will be associated with the 
new purchase. For a furler, replace the headstay and fittings if at all 
questionable.

Given the above, I’d buy a Harken. I have installed several on your size boat 
and have had no complaints.

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax, NS.





On May 4, 2014, at 11:17, Allen White via CnC-List  
wrote:

With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

Allen White
1977 C & C 26



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Stus-List Furler Choice

[Allen White via CnC-List]

With much talk recently of the merits of a furling headsail, I have decided
to bite the bullet, install a new furler and have a new sail made for my 26.
Someone mentioned that they were quite pleased with their Superfurl. I seem
to get a different answer from each person I ask this question:
What is the best choice for a furler on a small boat?

Allen

Allen White
1977 C & C 26



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