Re: Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

If I'm not mistaken, Interlux Micron comes in 3 formulas. One for salt
water, one for fresh, and one for brackish. Josh's experience would seem to
confirm that. Be sure you get the right formula for your local conditions.

 

Addressing the original question of hard vs. ablative paints: I live in an
area where the boat stays in the water for more than a summer - usually 3 or
4 years between haul outs. I'm a believer in ablative paints. They are
self-polishing as you use the boat. They come off with a pressure wash
instead of sanding or chemical strippers when it is time to repaint. And if
you put a signal coat on the front 1/3 of the boat and the front half of the
keel and rudder (a color of paint that contrasts with the second coat) the
paint itself will wear away and when the contrasting color appears the paint
itself is telling you there is a need to repaint.

 

My racing friends put on hard paint like Baltoplate and then burnish the
majority of the paint off (every year) to make the bottom smooth. I can do a
bad tack and lose more time in a race than I would ever gain by having the
boat smooth as a baby's bottom. So all the work of an annual bottom job with
hard paint just doesn't seem to be worthwhile for me.

 

Both my boats have a base coat of Petit Trinidad Pro hard paint (as a
primer) and Petit Ultima SR 60 (it used to be called ACP 60). Local opinion
is that the Petit paints seem to last longer in the brackish & salty waters
of coastal Carolina.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C&C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:44 AM
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Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative

 

Several years ago, I bought 3 gallons of Micron 66 from a local here who
brought it in from the USA but later sold his boat and had no use for it.  I
had been using Micron CSC however the 66 was even more effective as it had
bioscides that prevented the 'slime' that forms on our hulls later in our
sailing season.

The first year the boat was hauled with the 66, I was present when it came
out and asked the yard staff not to pressure wash the hull..there was no
need to.even the boatyard staff remarked how clean the hull was after 6
months in the water.they asked if I had a diver clean it during the
season which a very few do.

I asked the 'Binnacle' if they would bring the 66 in and was told it was too
much of a hassle going through all the regulatory hoops because of the
paint's bioscides and after all their efforts, they might now be successful.

Canada has restrictive regulations on pesticides and herbicides and the
bioscides in the 66 get caught up in these restrictions..back to CSC and
a pressure wash.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S. 

On 2017-11-14 7:41 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

I like the reviews of Micron 66 and even tried it myself.  Unfortunately it
requires a high salinity environment.  The water in my area is only half as
salty as the ocean, the paint seemed to work fine during the season but
during the end of season haul-out the water used to pressure wash was fresh.
A day later all the paint peeled off in large sheets the size of my hand.
It made for easy re-painting.  The manufacturer was in disbelief, sent a rep
to look at the boat, and since the paint was applied by a certified boatyard
the manufacturer paid to repaint at no cost to me.  I believe they used
micron csc as a replacement. 

 

Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C&C 37+

Solomons, MD

 

 

 

 

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Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative

[robert via CnC-List]

Several years ago, I bought 3 gallons of Micron 66 from a local here who 
brought it in from the USA but later sold his boat and had no use for 
it.  I had been using Micron CSC however the 66 was even more effective 
as it had bioscides that prevented the 'slime' that forms on our hulls 
later in our sailing season.


The first year the boat was hauled with the 66, I was present when it 
came out and asked the yard staff not to pressure wash the 
hull..there was no need to.even the boatyard staff remarked how 
clean the hull was after 6 months in the water.they asked if I had a 
diver clean it during the season which a very few do.


I asked the 'Binnacle' if they would bring the 66 in and was told it was 
too much of a hassle going through all the regulatory hoops because of 
the paint's bioscides and after all their efforts, they might now be 
successful.


Canada has restrictive regulations on pesticides and herbicides and the 
bioscides in the 66 get caught up in these restrictions..back to CSC 
and a pressure wash.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-11-14 7:41 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
I like the reviews of Micron 66 and even tried it myself. 
Unfortunately it requires a high salinity environment.  The water in 
my area is only half as salty as the ocean, the paint seemed to work 
fine during the season but during the end of season haul-out the water 
used to pressure wash was fresh.  A day later all the paint peeled off 
in large sheets the size of my hand.  It made for easy re-painting.  
The manufacturer was in disbelief, sent a rep to look at the boat, and 
since the paint was applied by a certified boatyard the manufacturer 
paid to repaint at no cost to me.  I believe they used micron csc as a 
replacement.


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 5:27 AM robert via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I would be using Micron 66 ablative paint if I could source it in
Canada.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2017-11-13 1:50 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List wrote:

Greetings all,
New owner of C&C 26. My diver says I need new paint for sure.
I’ve never dealt with bottom paint before. I live in Washington,
where the environmental restrictions are extensive. Looking for
guidance on the best paint. I read, quite a few years ago, about
hard and ablative. Based on that, I think I’m leaning toward hard
but all input is welcome.

Tentatively calling the boat Killian. It’s never been named and
My first grandson is named Killian.

Thanks,
Kyle Davis


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Re: Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I like the reviews of Micron 66 and even tried it myself.  Unfortunately it
requires a high salinity environment.  The water in my area is only half as
salty as the ocean, the paint seemed to work fine during the season but
during the end of season haul-out the water used to pressure wash was
fresh.  A day later all the paint peeled off in large sheets the size of my
hand.  It made for easy re-painting.  The manufacturer was in disbelief,
sent a rep to look at the boat, and since the paint was applied by a
certified boatyard the manufacturer paid to repaint at no cost to me.  I
believe they used micron csc as a replacement.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, Nov 14, 2017, 5:27 AM robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I would be using Micron 66 ablative paint if I could source it in Canada.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
> On 2017-11-13 1:50 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
> New owner of C&C 26. My diver says I need new paint for sure. I’ve never
> dealt with bottom paint before. I live in Washington, where the
> environmental restrictions are extensive. Looking for guidance on the best
> paint. I read, quite a few years ago, about hard and ablative. Based on
> that, I think I’m leaning toward hard but all input is welcome.
>
> Tentatively calling the boat Killian. It’s never been named and My first
> grandson is named Killian.
>
> Thanks,
> Kyle Davis
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative

[Kyle Davis via CnC-List]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:27 AM, robert  wrote:

> I would be using Micron 66 ablative paint if I could source it in Canada.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
> On 2017-11-13 1:50 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
> New owner of C&C 26. My diver says I need new paint for sure. I’ve never
> dealt with bottom paint before. I live in Washington, where the
> environmental restrictions are extensive. Looking for guidance on the best
> paint. I read, quite a few years ago, about hard and ablative. Based on
> that, I think I’m leaning toward hard but all input is welcome.
>
> Tentatively calling the boat Killian. It’s never been named and My first
> grandson is named Killian.
>
> Thanks,
> Kyle Davis
>
>
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Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative

[robert via CnC-List]

I would be using Micron 66 ablative paint if I could source it in Canada.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2017-11-13 1:50 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List wrote:

Greetings all,
New owner of C&C 26. My diver says I need new paint for sure. I’ve 
never dealt with bottom paint before. I live in Washington, where the 
environmental restrictions are extensive. Looking for guidance on the 
best paint. I read, quite a few years ago, about hard and ablative. 
Based on that, I think I’m leaning toward hard but all input is welcome.


Tentatively calling the boat Killian. It’s never been named and My 
first grandson is named Killian.


Thanks,
Kyle Davis


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Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative and a handle

[Kyle Davis via CnC-List]

Thank you all for your advice. I realiz that there isn’t a solid right
answer. I chat with a Petit marine service place at Swantown in Olympia
today. I guess ablative seems to be my best option for now.

My new phone sue is finding a crank handle for my SVE8 engine.

Thanks in advance,
(How’s this?)

Kyle Davis
s/v Killer D C&C 26
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Re: Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Kyle,
Bottom paint is a funny thing. Different paints seem to do better in different 
areas. If you are talking about the other Washington, Pettit Trinidad SR has 
worked great for us in central Puget Sound. The bad thing about hard bottom 
paint is that after awhile you end up with a build up of too many layers and 
you have to remove it all and start over. Very difficult and messy job. The 
ablative paints ware off as you clean them and you end up with no build up.
As with most things, there isn't just one current answer.
Good luck,
Dave.
SLY
1975 C&C ss

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> On Nov 13, 2017, at 10:51 AM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Congrats on the new boat. In Washington you cannot clean ablative paint. I 
> only use ablative paint. Although the racer friends use hard paint. A good 
> friend swears by petit Trinidad hard paint. I have used micron 66, blue water 
> copper shield both with excellent results. 
> Practical sailor has done several reviews on both types bottom paint. What I 
> like about the ablative paints is you don't need to clean the bottom if you 
> use your boat. 
> Another consideration is what is currently on it. You can put ablative over 
> hard paint but not hard over ablative. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus (sale pending) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah 
> LF39 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Kyle Davis via CnC-List 
> Date: 11/13/17 09:50 (GMT-08:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Kyle Davis 
> Subject: Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative
> 
> Greetings all,
> New owner of C&C 26. My diver says I need new paint for sure. I’ve never 
> dealt with bottom paint before. I live in Washington, where the environmental 
> restrictions are extensive. Looking for guidance on the best paint. I read, 
> quite a few years ago, about hard and ablative. Based on that, I think I’m 
> leaning toward hard but all input is welcome.
> 
> Tentatively calling the boat Killian. It’s never been named and My first 
> grandson is named Killian.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kyle Davis
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Re: Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Congrats on the new boat. In Washington you cannot clean ablative paint. I only 
use ablative paint. Although the racer friends use hard paint. A good friend 
swears by petit Trinidad hard paint. I have used micron 66, blue water copper 
shield both with excellent results. Practical sailor has done several reviews 
on both types bottom paint. What I like about the ablative paints is you don't 
need to clean the bottom if you use your boat. Another consideration is what is 
currently on it. You can put ablative over hard paint but not hard over 
ablative. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (sale pending) 
Lf38 Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Kyle Davis via CnC-List 
 Date: 11/13/17  09:50  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Kyle Davis  Subject: 
Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative 
Greetings all,New owner of C&C 26. My diver says I need new paint for sure. 
I’ve never dealt with bottom paint before. I live in Washington, where the 
environmental restrictions are extensive. Looking for guidance on the best 
paint. I read, quite a few years ago, about hard and ablative. Based on that, I 
think I’m leaning toward hard but all input is welcome.
Tentatively calling the boat Killian. It’s never been named and My first 
grandson is named Killian.
Thanks,Kyle Davis
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Re: Stus-List Hard paint vs. ablative

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Kyle,

Congrats!  Talk to your diver - he/she might not be permitted to clean
ablative paint!

Joel


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On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Kyle Davis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Greetings all,
> New owner of C&C 26. My diver says I need new paint for sure. I’ve never
> dealt with bottom paint before. I live in Washington, where the
> environmental restrictions are extensive. Looking for guidance on the best
> paint. I read, quite a few years ago, about hard and ablative. Based on
> that, I think I’m leaning toward hard but all input is welcome.
>
> Tentatively calling the boat Killian. It’s never been named and My first
> grandson is named Killian.
>
> Thanks,
> Kyle Davis
>
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[Kyle Davis via CnC-List]

Greetings all,
New owner of C&C 26. My diver says I need new paint for sure. I’ve never
dealt with bottom paint before. I live in Washington, where the
environmental restrictions are extensive. Looking for guidance on the best
paint. I read, quite a few years ago, about hard and ablative. Based on
that, I think I’m leaning toward hard but all input is welcome.

Tentatively calling the boat Killian. It’s never been named and My first
grandson is named Killian.

Thanks,
Kyle Davis
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