subject:"Stus\-List Headliner"

Stus-List Headliner hardware

2020-10-04 Thread Dean McNeill

Another project on my new-to-me C is fixing the headliner. It’s actually in 
really good shape except there’s a number of the white plastic connectors 
(screws?) missing. No idea where to find these online or even what to call 
them? Any help folks?

Dean 

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Re: Stus-List Headliner plugs - 1981 C 34

2019-05-10 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List

Those are widely available at big box building supply stores as well as
Amazon.  Search for "white plastic nylon 1 inch hole plugs".

Dennis C.

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> If anyone knows of a source for the 1 inch white plastic plugs used to
> cover the screws holding the headliner up, could you please let me know?
>
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> Thanks
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> Dennis
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> C 34 Andante
>
> Victoria, BC
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Stus-List Headliner plugs - 1981 C 34

2019-05-10 Thread DMcMillan via CnC-List

If anyone knows of a source for the 1 inch white plastic plugs used to cover
the screws holding the headliner up, could you please let me know?  

 

Thanks

Dennis

C 34 Andante

Victoria, BC

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Headliner plugs

2016-03-28 Thread Chuck S via CnC-List

I believe I saw them at Ace Hardware in the drawers where they have specialty 
fasteners and parts. 

Chuck 

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Subject: Stus-List Headliner plugs 

Hi Dave, 

I looked for them as well. I needed 1 in the head. There are a few place that 
carry something that looks like it would work.. 

Amazon 
http://www.amazon.com/White-Plastic-Flush-Type-Plugs/dp/B0046NM0BO/ref=pd_sim_60_2?ie=UTF8=21ev%2BXxmhHL=sims=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_=19H9CYHHNSJCW2XKECDT

Other Amazon link: 
http://www.amazon.com/White-Plastic-Flush-Type-Plugs/dp/B0040CX4MU 

However, I found a much easier "Low Hanging Fruit" solution to exactly match 
the originals: Use an original :-) 

If you look under the cabinets around the nav station you'll see a few of 
them.. Since you can't possibly see them unless you are actively straining your 
neck to see under the cabinets I just pried one off and put it in the head. 
Voila ! 

-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA 

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Does anyone know where to get the 1" plastic caps that cover holes drilled 
through the headliner? Thanks- Dave 

Aries 
1990 C 34+ 
New London, CT 
Regards 

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Re: Stus-List Headliner plugs

2016-03-28 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-1-in-Nylon-Locking-Hole-Plug-808168/204225716

Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List Headliner plugs

2016-03-28 Thread Jerome Tauber via CnC-List







http://us.essentracomponents.com/en-US/caps-plugs/push-fit-plugs/panel-plugs/solid-locking-plugs/solid-locking-plugs-us-p050710
















Solid Locking Plugs

Solid Locking Plugs fit multiple common sheet metal thicknesses with a locking 
feature that snaps and holds the plug in place once applied. Ideal for closing 
access holes on sheet metal panels, automobile bodies, tanks, or anywhere a 
finished look is required.


In Stock!


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Stus-List Headliner plugs

2016-03-28 Thread Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List

Hi Dave, 

I looked for them as well.  I needed 1 in the head.  There are a few place 
that carry something that looks like it would work.. 

Amazon 
http://www.amazon.com/White-Plastic-Flush-Type-Plugs/dp/B0046NM0BO/ref=pd_sim_60_2?ie=UTF8=21ev%2BXxmhHL=sims=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_=19H9CYHHNSJCW2XKECDT

Other Amazon link:  
http://www.amazon.com/White-Plastic-Flush-Type-Plugs/dp/B0040CX4MU

However, I found a much easier "Low Hanging Fruit" solution to exactly 
match the originals: Use an original :-) 

 If you look under the cabinets around the nav station you'll see a few of 
them..  Since you can't possibly see them unless you are actively 
straining your neck to see under the cabinets I just pried one off and put 
it in the head.  Voila !

-Francois Rivard 
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



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Does anyone know where to get the 1" plastic caps that cover holes drilled 
through the headliner?  Thanks- Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT
Regards



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Re: Stus-List Headliner plugs

2016-03-28 Thread mike amirault via CnC-List

Non ferrous fasteners   http://www.non-ferrousfastener.com/about.php
I ordered 100 which only cost me about 10 cents apiece. Great company and you 
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Re: Stus-List Headliner plugs

2016-03-28 Thread Jerome Tauber via CnC-List

This company and catalog has every size and shape and color plastic caps.   
Jerry  J

http://us.essentracomponents.com/shop

 
Caps & Plugs Application Guide
Our complete offering of caps & plugs organized by thread or hole size
Download PDF

Order 
Catalog
 

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Re: Stus-List Headliner plugs

2016-03-28 Thread John and Maryann Read via CnC-List

Hi David

 

Johnsons Hardware on Route 1 in Groton / Poquonnock Bridge

 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Does anyone know where to get the 1" plastic caps that cover holes drilled
through the headliner?  Thanks- Dave

 

Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 



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Re: Stus-List Headliner plugs

2016-03-28 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List



Most any hardware store has them, including Lowe's Home Depot Etc. Some look different though, as some are kind of translucent vs solid white. There used to be a really great local hardware that had a huge selection but unfortunately knocked out by the big boxes. But they had not only the even sizes such as 1 inch, three-quarter but also 1 1/16th, and things like that that fit conduit size holes. I'm sure McMaster must have someBill Coleman  Original message From: David Knecht via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 3/28/2016  8:16 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: CnC CnC discussion list <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> Cc: David Knecht <davidakne...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List Headliner plugs Does anyone know where to get the 1" plastic caps that cover holes drilled through the headliner?  Thanks- Dave
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Stus-List Headliner plugs

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Does anyone know where to get the 1" plastic caps that cover holes drilled 
through the headliner?  Thanks- Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-13 Thread Ron Casciato via CnC-List

Doug:

 

I guess no-one knows where to get the original materialand I have seen
"hull liner" material on the web somewhere. I'll start lookingnone of he
other options work for methere's enough wood on the inside, I don't want
to add more...

 

I would check  a company in Sarasota called Marine Surplusthey have a
web site, and have lots of new stuff that didn't get used up by the boat
builders or companies...I'll go over there tomorrow and check them out.

 

Good luck.

 

Ron C.

C 38MKII..'77

Impromptu

 

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Cc: Douglas
Subject: Stus-List Headliner

 

Hello: I have a 1986 MKIII 38-ft. One of the removable panels over the
galley (four or five screws) material needs replacing. I have pulled the
panel and removed the material. It cannot be save, it was ruined by the
previous owner trying to glue the edges back up as a quick fix. All the
others in the cabin are in great shape. Does anyone know where I can find a
match. It is cream to beige in color, as I am certain all of them are. I was
told it was a vinyl wall covering by a boat upholstering shop. I live on an
island in Washington state. I can take a ferry or bridge to the main land,
but it is normally an 3.5 round trip just over and back, without leaving the
ferry dock area. So I do most things via the internet.

Thanks for any help you may have.

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Re: Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-13 Thread Douglas via CnC-List

Ron

Thanks for the info, I will check them out.

Also

I am waiting for my sample to arrive to determine if I can match it.

If not.

I will go over and pick up a sheet of 3/8 teak or mahogany plywood and make
new panels.

Larry

 

 

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Doug:

 

I guess no-one knows where to get the original materialand I have seen
"hull liner" material on the web somewhere. I'll start lookingnone of he
other options work for methere's enough wood on the inside, I don't want
to add more...

 

I would check  a company in Sarasota called Marine Surplusthey have a
web site, and have lots of new stuff that didn't get used up by the boat
builders or companies...I'll go over there tomorrow and check them out.

 

Good luck.

 

Ron C.

C 38MKII..'77

Impromptu

 

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Subject: Stus-List Headliner

 

Hello: I have a 1986 MKIII 38-ft. One of the removable panels over the
galley (four or five screws) material needs replacing. I have pulled the
panel and removed the material. It cannot be save, it was ruined by the
previous owner trying to glue the edges back up as a quick fix. All the
others in the cabin are in great shape. Does anyone know where I can find a
match. It is cream to beige in color, as I am certain all of them are. I was
told it was a vinyl wall covering by a boat upholstering shop. I live on an
island in Washington state. I can take a ferry or bridge to the main land,
but it is normally an 3.5 round trip just over and back, without leaving the
ferry dock area. So I do most things via the internet.

Thanks for any help you may have.

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Re: Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-13 Thread Jeff Allston via CnC-List

Larry,
The cabin is slightly darker, but it's not really a problem. There isn't a lot 
of wood in there to start with. I applied 6 coats of varnish which makes these 
panels almost like mirrors.
Jeff

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JeffI have seen some examples of that procedure, but the pictures were small 
and it was hard to get a good feel for the look.I have been toying with that 
idea, only one step better (it was my back up). Just a short distance from here 
there is a lumber mill that deals in teak. They sell the Teak and holly panels 
for the floor, teak boards and teak plywood. I was thinking of getting some ¼ 
teak plywood to make new panel.  Your happy with it. Does it make the cabin 
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Re: Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-13 Thread Jeff Allston via CnC-List

Steve,
I won't be back at the boat for a few weeks. I will take some pictures then.
JeffC 32 Full DeckVictoria, BC

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Jeff, I'de love to see pictures of your 32 with changed panels. I've been 
considering this job.
Thanks,SteveSuhana, C 32Toronto

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Re: Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-12 Thread Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List

Jeff, I'de love to see pictures of your 32 with changed panels. I've been
considering this job.

Thanks,
Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

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> On my 32, I stripped the material from the four removable panels and
> applied teak veneer. It made a huge improvement in the interior looks.
>
> Jeff
> C 32 Full Deck
> Victoria, BC
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-12 Thread Wally Bryant via CnC-List

I had to replace a couple of ruined panels, and used foam PVC.  It's 
very light weight.  Here's a link to the project:




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Re: Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-11 Thread Jeff Allston via CnC-List

On my 32, I stripped the material from the four removable panels and applied 
teak veneer. It made a huge improvement in the interior looks.
JeffC 32 Full DeckVictoria, BC

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:41:53 -0800
Subject: Stus-List Headliner
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: ladoug...@whidbey.com

Hello: I have a 1986 MKIII 38-ft. One of the removable panels over the galley 
(four or five screws) material needs replacing. I have pulled the panel and 
removed the material. It cannot be save, it was ruined by the previous owner 
trying to glue the edges back up as a quick fix. All the others in the cabin 
are in great shape. Does anyone know where I can find a match. It is cream to 
beige in color, as I am certain all of them are. I was told it was a vinyl wall 
covering by a boat upholstering shop. I live on an island in Washington state. 
I can take a ferry or bridge to the main land, but it is normally an 3.5 round 
trip just over and back, without leaving the ferry dock area. So I do most 
things via the internet.Thanks for any help you may have.
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Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-11 Thread Douglas via CnC-List

Hello: I have a 1986 MKIII 38-ft. One of the removable panels over the
galley (four or five screws) material needs replacing. I have pulled the
panel and removed the material. It cannot be save, it was ruined by the
previous owner trying to glue the edges back up as a quick fix. All the
others in the cabin are in great shape. Does anyone know where I can find a
match. It is cream to beige in color, as I am certain all of them are. I was
told it was a vinyl wall covering by a boat upholstering shop. I live on an
island in Washington state. I can take a ferry or bridge to the main land,
but it is normally an 3.5 round trip just over and back, without leaving the
ferry dock area. So I do most things via the internet.

Thanks for any help you may have.

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Re: Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-11 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List

The ceiling panels can be painted if they are not in too bad shape.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Douglas via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello: I have a 1986 MKIII 38-ft. One of the removable panels over the galley 
> (four or five screws) material needs replacing. I have pulled the panel and 
> removed the material. It cannot be save, it was ruined by the previous owner 
> trying to glue the edges back up as a quick fix. All the others in the cabin 
> are in great shape. Does anyone know where I can find a match. It is cream to 
> beige in color, as I am certain all of them are. I was told it was a vinyl 
> wall covering by a boat upholstering shop. I live on an island in Washington 
> state. I can take a ferry or bridge to the main land, but it is normally an 
> 3.5 round trip just over and back, without leaving the ferry dock area. So I 
> do most things via the internet.
> Thanks for any help you may have.
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Re: Stus-List Headliner

2015-11-11 Thread Douglas via CnC-List

Jeff

I have seen some examples of that procedure, but the pictures were small and
it was hard to get a good feel for the look.

I have been toying with that idea, only one step better (it was my back up).
Just a short distance from here there is a lumber mill that deals in teak.
They sell the Teak and holly panels for the floor, teak boards and teak
plywood. I was thinking of getting some ¼ teak plywood to make new panel. 

 

Your happy with it. Does it make the cabin feel darker?

Larry

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner

 

On my 32, I stripped the material from the four removable panels and applied
teak veneer. It made a huge improvement in the interior looks.

 

Jeff

C 32 Full Deck

Victoria, BC

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Hello: I have a 1986 MKIII 38-ft. One of the removable panels over the
galley (four or five screws) material needs replacing. I have pulled the
panel and removed the material. It cannot be save, it was ruined by the
previous owner trying to glue the edges back up as a quick fix. All the
others in the cabin are in great shape. Does anyone know where I can find a
match. It is cream to beige in color, as I am certain all of them are. I was
told it was a vinyl wall covering by a boat upholstering shop. I live on an
island in Washington state. I can take a ferry or bridge to the main land,
but it is normally an 3.5 round trip just over and back, without leaving the
ferry dock area. So I do most things via the internet.

Thanks for any help you may have.


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Re: Stus-List headliner bump

2012-12-02 Thread Eric Frank

Dennis,

I have one on my 1974 35-2, and it is exactly what Rus guesses.  Mounted on the 
flat on deck is a horizontal block that leads a line aft to the coach roof just 
forward of the cockpit.  I have one on each side of the boat.  One I use for a 
spin halyard, the other for the main sheet.  On Cat's Paw, the headliner is cut 
and covered, just as Rus suggests, which hides the backing plate and nuts.

Eric
Cat's Paw

On Dec 2, 2012, at 9:29 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:15:01 -0800
 From: Russ  Melody russ...@telus.net
 To: j...@dellabarba.com,cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-1 headliner bump
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed
 
 Hi Dennis,
 
 I have one.
 The flat surface is the same elevation as the 
 handrail landing(s). On deck there is a 
 corresponding round spot with no non-skid. It 
 looks like the option was to mount a spring 
 supported turning block there to lead a control 
 line aft. I believe it would have been cut  
 cover'd for nut  backing plate access.
 
 I have no idea which optional control line it was 
 intended for and I have forgotten who I lent my 
 book Sail Power to, so I'm missing that bit of 
 70s reference. I know, it sucks!
 
 Cheers, Rus
 Sweet 35 mk-1
 east side, Vancouver Isd... and recently 
 re-subscribed after a couple o' weeks in France 
 so I'm a bit outta touch on list matters
 
 
 At 02:08 PM 30/11/2012, you wrote:
 I'll see if I have one.
 
 
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 j...@dellabarba.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
 Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:50 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List 35-1 headliner bump
 
 On my 35-1 there is a molded protrusion in the headliner at the port forward
 corner of the midships hatch. It's about 3 inches square.  There is nothing
 on the deck above it.
 
 I've always wondered what it was for.  Any ideas?
 
 Dennis C.
 Touch? 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
 
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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-28 Thread Joel Aronson

Just to follow up - I brought home one of the old panels.  I was able to
peel off the vinyl with some plywood attached.  I tried using acetone to
remove the remaining wood with some success.  I then soaked the vinyl in
hot water in the kitchen sink (don't try this if your spouse/SO is home).
 That loosened the glue enough that I was able to scrape off the rest of
the wood with a putty knife.  I then used Goo Gone to remove the excess
glue.  I have 1/8 inch luan plywood on order.  I bought 3M 90 spray
adhesive for vinyl.  With any luck I'll have the first panel done and ready
for install this weekend.

My boat now has its own Facebook page.  www.facebook/Theoffice35.  I'll
post pictures when I get it back together.

Joel

On Thursday, November 15, 2012, Joel Aronson wrote:

 Too funny!

 Joel
 Sent from my iPad

 On Nov 15, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Just don't use white pebble board, PLEASE!!!  Will make your boat look
 like a restroom at a Waffle House.

 I did use pebble board once on a boat for the decking on a quarterberth.
 Figured it would breathe moisture out better than a smooth board.  It had
 a vinyl bottom cushion on top of it so it didn't show.

 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA

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 *From:* Jake Brodersen captain_j...@cox.net
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:20 PM
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

 That looks a lot like the fiberglass wall panels available at Home Depot.
 I’ve used that for several headliner panels and it works well.  It is 1/8”
 thick and will warp slightly.  I used it for the longer panels on the
 starboard side.  You really can see it and it holds paint well.  Since it’s
 fiberglass, no worries about it warping.

 Jake

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 CC
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:28 PM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

 Here’s some



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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-15 Thread Joel Aronson

Alex,

Go sailing already!  :).  The access panels are vinyl over plywood (matches
the rest of the headliner) and the long ones are screwed, the smaller ones
use velcro.

I'm going to try removing the vinyl and reusing it over either plastic or
new wood to maintain the original look.  When that fails, I'll go to Plan
B.  3M makes a spray, Super 77, that works great!  I used it for a cockpit
cushion and pedestal cover.

Joel
35/3


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Alex Giannelia a...@airsensing.com wrote:

 Now you have my interest, as my 35-II had plastic panels in various shapes
 screwed directly into the headliner.  These are suffering from old age and
 are yellowing etc and in 2 cases are cracked and now that my deck work is
 done, I am proposing to replace them all, so are you saying in the 35-III
 These are normally plywood glued and/or velcroed in place?

 Does anyone on this list with a 35-II have what I described?  Dwight what
 do you have?

 BTW, these only apply to original equipment deck installs. In some areas
 where the P.O. or I put in newer hardware, we had to go through the core
 and I ended up using SS backing plates I polished and fastened with cap
 nuts.

 Just polling the list.

 ALEX GIANNELIA

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 ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006
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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-15 Thread dwight veinot

Alex
I had the old white plastic also...it was yellowed as well...I replaced it
with the solid white Plexiglas, and I used 1/8 inch thick...if I ever do it
again I would try 1/4 inch thick because the 1/8 inch thick has warped
between some fasteners or I might check a sheet of Formica as someone on the
list suggested the other day or that white FRP stuff that Rich Knowles
advised about but I am not sure where to get it, I expect that Rich will
help me with that when I need it...I checked out Formica when I did the
replacement every piece I saw had a black subsurface which showed a black
edge when cut.

Dwight Veinot
CC 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Giannelia
Sent: November 15, 2012 11:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels

Now you have my interest, as my 35-II had plastic panels in various shapes
screwed directly into the headliner.  These are suffering from old age and
are yellowing etc and in 2 cases are cracked and now that my deck work is
done, I am proposing to replace them all, so are you saying in the 35-III
These are normally plywood glued and/or velcroed in place?

Does anyone on this list with a 35-II have what I described?  Dwight what do
you have?

BTW, these only apply to original equipment deck installs. In some areas
where the P.O. or I put in newer hardware, we had to go through the core and
I ended up using SS backing plates I polished and fastened with cap nuts.

Just polling the list.

ALEX GIANNELIA

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ON THE HARD SINCE NOV. 2006
Toronto Ontario


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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-15 Thread Joel Aronson

Home Depot sells the FRP panels with a textured surface.  They are gloss
white, so they would brighten the salon!


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:56 AM, dwight veinot 
dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote:

 Alex
 I had the old white plastic also...it was yellowed as well...I replaced it
 with the solid white Plexiglas, and I used 1/8 inch thick...if I ever do it
 again I would try 1/4 inch thick because the 1/8 inch thick has warped
 between some fasteners or I might check a sheet of Formica as someone on
 the
 list suggested the other day or that white FRP stuff that Rich Knowles
 advised about but I am not sure where to get it, I expect that Rich will
 help me with that when I need it...I checked out Formica when I did the
 replacement every piece I saw had a black subsurface which showed a black
 edge when cut.

 Dwight Veinot
 CC 35 MKII, Alianna
 Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex
 Giannelia
 Sent: November 15, 2012 11:31 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels

 Now you have my interest, as my 35-II had plastic panels in various shapes
 screwed directly into the headliner.  These are suffering from old age and
 are yellowing etc and in 2 cases are cracked and now that my deck work is
 done, I am proposing to replace them all, so are you saying in the 35-III
 These are normally plywood glued and/or velcroed in place?

 Does anyone on this list with a 35-II have what I described?  Dwight what
 do
 you have?

 BTW, these only apply to original equipment deck installs. In some areas
 where the P.O. or I put in newer hardware, we had to go through the core
 and
 I ended up using SS backing plates I polished and fastened with cap nuts.

 Just polling the list.

 ALEX GIANNELIA

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-15 Thread Jake Brodersen

That looks a lot like the fiberglass wall panels available at Home Depot.
I've used that for several headliner panels and it works well.  It is 1/8
thick and will warp slightly.  I used it for the longer panels on the
starboard side.  You really can see it and it holds paint well.  Since it's
fiberglass, no worries about it warping.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

CC 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich CC
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

 

Here's some other stuff I have used for lining commercial garages that looks
very nice and is friendly to use:

 

http://www.palramamericas.com/Wall-Tuf

 

Rich

 

Rich Knowles

INDIGO - LF38

Halifax, NS

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-15 Thread Dennis C.

Just don't use white pebble board, PLEASE!!!  Will make your boat look like a 
restroom at a Waffle House.

I did use pebble board once on a boat for the decking on a quarterberth.  
Figured it would breathe moisture out better than a smooth board.  It had a 
vinyl bottom cushion on top of it so it didn't show.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





 From: Jake Brodersen captain_j...@cox.net
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels
 

That looks a lot like the fiberglass wall panels available at Home Depot.  
I’ve used that for several headliner panels and it works well.  It is 1/8” 
thick and will warp slightly.  I used it for the longer panels on the 
starboard side.  You really can see it and it holds paint well.  Since it’s 
fiberglass, no worries about it warping.
 
Jake
 
Jake Brodersen
CC 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA
 
 
 
From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich CC
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels
 
Here’s some other stuff I have used for lining commercial garages that looks 
very nice and is friendly to use:
 
http://www.palramamericas.com/Wall-Tuf
 
Rich
 
Rich Knowles
INDIGO - LF38
Halifax, NS
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Gary Nylander

Where do you get it?

Gary
30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but 
over 50 miles to anything else
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sam Salter 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

  Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

  It's like super industrial strength velcro.

  It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it 
secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece 
about  1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we 
sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas.

  sam :-)
  C7C 26  Liquorice
  Ghost Lake  Alberta

  On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: 
Joel,

I plan on replacing some of mine.  I am thinking about using plastic 
sheeting.  I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the 
wood.  It is only 1/8 thick.  ¼ plywood would be hard to keep up there using 
the stock Velcro.  I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn't 
seem to work well, especially in rough conditions.

Jake

Jake Brodersen

CC 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
Aronson
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels

Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too 
thick.  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or 
found a replacement?  What glue would you use?

Thanks!

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread D.Drake

I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works
well

On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:

Where do you get it?
Gary
30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's
nearby, but over 50 miles to anything else

- Original Message -
*From:* Sam Salter mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

It's like super industrial strength velcro.

It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners
but it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb)
with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take
it all over the world when we sail and it's conquered big winds
and big seas.

sam :-)
C7C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta

On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote:

Joel,

I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using
plastic sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time
ago and just painted the wood. It is only 1/8 thick. ¼
plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock Velcro. I
might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn't seem to
work well, especially in rough conditions.

Jake

*/Jake Brodersen/*

*/CC 35 Mk-III/*

*/Midnight Mistress/*

*/Hampton VA/*

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf
Of *Joel Aronson
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Headliner access panels

Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would
be too thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either
re-used the vinyl or found a replacement? What glue would you use?

Thanks!

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Sam Salter

I was sailing the eastern shore of Maryland about 6 weeks ago - your right
there is nothing there!
Get it online:
Sailrite: http://www.sailrite.com/3M-Dual-Lock-Type-250-1-Clear
Amazon, eBay, office depot

sam :-)

On 2012-11-14, at 8:44 AM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote:

Where do you get it?

Gary
30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but
over 50 miles to anything else
- Original Message -
From: Sam Salter
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

It's like super industrial strength velcro.

It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it
secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece
about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we
sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas.

sam :-)
C7C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta

On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote:

Joel,
I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic
sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted
the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there
using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just
doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions.
Jake
Jake Brodersen
CC 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels
Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too
thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl
or found a replacement? What glue would you use?
Thanks!
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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Sam Salter

You can also get sheets of thin, white plastic (8' x 4') at Home Depot, RONA
and I suspect Lowes (but I've never been in a Lowes)
Not used it for headliners but I have used it for covers inside to put over
access holes for winch and jammer bolts.
sam :-)

On 2012-11-14, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote:

This plastic from McMaster looks like it would work:

Formable Chemical-Resistant Kydex Acrylic/PVC
Color: Black, gray, or white

Temperature Range: -40° to 150° F

Tensile Strength: Good

Impact Strength: Excellent
Often used for vehicle interiors and equipment housings, this material
maintains its shape after heating and forming. It resists corrosive chemicals
and cleaning solutions. One side is textured and the other is smooth. Width
and length tolerances are ±1/8. Sheets meet UL 94V0 for flame retardance. To
Order: Please specify color.

View detailed performance properties for plastics.
Sheets

12 × 12
12 × 24
24 × 48
48 × 48
48 × 96
Thick.Thick.
Tolerance EachEachEachEach
Each
1/8 ±0.009 8650K11 $9.40 8650K12 $17.17 8650K13 $63.16 8650K14 $115.54
8650K15 $211.73

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, D.Drake d...@rogers.com wrote:
I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works well
On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:
Where do you get it?

Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

It's like super industrial strength velcro.

It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it
secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small
piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world
when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas.

sam :-)
C7C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta

On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote:

Joel,

I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic
sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted
the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up
there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro
just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions.

Jake

Jake Brodersen

CC 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels

Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too
thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl
or found a replacement? What glue would you use?

Thanks!

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Richard N. Bush

I hate to be the caboose on this conversation but I do not understand what is 
happening to the headliners on the boats, I've never had a headliner fall or 
come apart, can someone explain what is happening and possibly the cause? 
thanks.


Richard
1987 33-II


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
502-584-7255



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From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels


No RONA stores south of the border, but I will check out HD too!



On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Sam Salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote:


You can also get sheets of thin, white plastic (8' x 4') at Home Depot, RONA 
and I suspect Lowes (but I've never been in a Lowes)
Not used it for headliners but I have used it for covers inside to put over 
access holes for winch and jammer bolts.
sam :-)


On 2012-11-14, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote:






This plastic from McMaster looks like it would work:



Formable Chemical-Resistant Kydex Acrylic/PVC


Color: Black, gray, or white


Temperature Range: -40° to 150° F


Tensile Strength: Good


Impact Strength: Excellent

Often used for vehicle interiors and equipment housings, this material 
maintains its shape after heating and forming. It resists corrosive chemicals 
and cleaning solutions. One side is textured and the other is smooth. Width and 
length tolerances are ±1/8. Sheets meet UL 94V0 for flame retardance. To 
Order: Please specify color.
View detailed performance properties for plastics.


Sheets















12 × 12


12 × 24


24 × 48


48 × 48


48 × 96


Thick.
Thick.
Tolerance
 
Each
 
Each
 
Each
 
Each
 
Each


1/8
±0.009
8650K11
$9.40
8650K12
$17.17
8650K13
$63.16
8650K14
$115.54
8650K15
$211.73










On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, D.Drake d...@rogers.com wrote:

I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works well 


On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:


Where do you get it?
 
Gary
30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but 
over 50 miles to anything else

- Original Message - 
From: Sam Salter 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels


Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

It's like super industrial strength velcro.

It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it 
secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece 
about  1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we 
sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas.

sam :-)
C7C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta


On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: 

Joel,

I plan on replacing some of mine.  I am thinking about using plastic sheeting.  
I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood.  It 
is only 1/8” thick.  ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock 
Velcro.  I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t seem to work 
well, especially in rough conditions.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
CC 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA


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Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels

Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too thick.  
Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a 
replacement?  What glue would you use?



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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Joel Aronson

Richard,

In the case of my boat, it is not the headliner, but the access panels that
are the problem. They are vinyl over plywood. The long ones are screwed
in, the more rectangular ones under the winches have velcro. Over the
years there have been leaks that have caused the plywood to fail in the
panels over the quarter-berth and nav station. Also, the vinyl is becoming
unglued in places. Its not terribly noticeable until you remove a panel
and have pieces of plywood falling out. If your boat is watertight, you
probably don't have this issue. The PO of my boat was too tolerant of
leaks, and I am cleaning up his mess.

Hope this clarifies the matter.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote:

I hate to be the caboose on this conversation but I do not understand what
is happening to the headliners on the boats, I've never had a headliner
fall or come apart, can someone explain what is happening and possibly the
cause? thanks.

Richard
1987 33-II

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor
Louisville, Kentucky 40202
502-584-7255

-Original Message-
From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

No RONA stores south of the border, but I will check out HD too!

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Sam Salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.comwrote:

You can also get sheets of thin, white plastic (8' x 4') at Home Depot,
RONA and I suspect Lowes (but I've never been in a Lowes)
Not used it for headliners but I have used it for covers inside to put
over access holes for winch and jammer bolts.
sam :-)

On 2012-11-14, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote:

This plastic from McMaster looks like it would work:

Formable Chemical-Resistant Kydex Acrylic/PVC

- Color: Black, gray, or white
-
- Temperature Range: -40° to 150° F
-
- Tensile Strength: Good
-
- Impact Strength: Excellent

Often used for vehicle interiors and equipment housings, this material
maintains its shape after heating and forming. It resists corrosive
chemicals and cleaning solutions. One side is textured and the other is
smooth. Width and length tolerances are ±1/8. Sheets meet UL 94V0 for
flame retardance. To Order: Please specify color.
View detailed performance properties for
plastics.http://www.mcmaster.com/#8574KAC
Sheets
12 × 12
12 × 24
24 × 48
48 × 48
48 × 96
Thick. Thick.
Tolerance Each Each Each Each Each 1/8 ±0.009
8650K11http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K11
$9.40 8650K12 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K12 $17.17
8650K13http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K13
$63.16 8650K14 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K14 $115.54
8650K15http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K15
$211.73

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, D.Drake d...@rogers.com wrote:

I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works
well
On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:

Where do you get it?

Gary
30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby,
but over 50 miles to anything else

- Original Message -
*From:* Sam Salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

It's like super industrial strength velcro.

It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but
it secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small
piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world
when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas.

sam :-)
C7C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta

On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote:

Joel,

Jake

*Jake Brodersen*
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*Midnight Mistress*
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*Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Headliner access panels

Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too
thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl
or found a replacement? What glue would you use?

Thanks

Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Rich CC

Here's some other stuff I have used for lining commercial garages that looks
very nice and is friendly to use:

 

http://www.palramamericas.com/Wall-Tuf

 

Rich

 

Rich Knowles

INDIGO - LF38

Halifax, NS

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Rich CC

Richard: CC has used a variety of materials and fastening methods on the 
various boats over the years and some have been more durable than others 
depending on the environment in which they find themselves.

 

Rich Knowles

INDIGO - LF38

Halifax, NS

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush
Sent: November 14, 2012 16:19
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

 

I hate to be the caboose on this conversation but I do not understand what is 
happening to the headliners on the boats, I've never had a headliner fall or 
come apart, can someone explain what is happening and possibly the cause? 
thanks.

Richard

1987 33-II

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
502-584-7255

 

-Original Message-
From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

No RONA stores south of the border, but I will check out HD too! 

 

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Sam Salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com wrote:

You can also get sheets of thin, white plastic (8' x 4') at Home Depot, RONA 
and I suspect Lowes (but I've never been in a Lowes)

Not used it for headliners but I have used it for covers inside to put over 
access holes for winch and jammer bolts.

sam :-) 



On 2012-11-14, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote:

This plastic from McMaster looks like it would work: 

 


Formable Chemical-Resistant Kydex Acrylic/PVC


· Color: Black, gray, or white

·  

· Temperature Range: -40° to 150° F

·  

· Tensile Strength: Good

·  

· Impact Strength: Excellent

Often used for vehicle interiors and equipment housings, this material 
maintains its shape after heating and forming. It resists corrosive chemicals 
and cleaning solutions. One side is textured and the other is smooth. Width and 
length tolerances are ±1/8. Sheets meet UL 94V0 for flame retardance. To 
Order: Please specify color.

View  http://www.mcmaster.com/#8574KAC detailed performance properties for 
plastics.

Sheets





12 × 12

12 × 24

24 × 48

48 × 48

48 × 96


Thick.

Thick.
Tolerance

 

Each

 

Each

 

Each

 

Each

 

Each


1/8

±0.009

 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K11 8650K11

$9.40

 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K12 8650K12

$17.17

 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K13 8650K13

$63.16

 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K14 8650K14

$115.54

 http://www.mcmaster.com/#8650K15 8650K15

$211.73

 

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM, D.Drake d...@rogers.com wrote:

I picked up a pack at West Marine several years ago .Not cheap but works well 

On 14/11/2012 10:44 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:

Where do you get it?

 

Gary

30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but 
over 50 miles to anything else

- Original Message - 

From: Sam Salter mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM

Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

 

Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

It's like super industrial strength velcro.

It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it 
secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece 
about  1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we 
sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas.

sam :-)
C7C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta


On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: 

Joel,

I plan on replacing some of mine.  I am thinking about using plastic sheeting.  
I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the wood.  It 
is only 1/8” thick.  ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using the stock 
Velcro.  I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t seem to work 
well, especially in rough conditions.

Jake

Jake Brodersen

CC 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels

Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too thick.  
Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found a 
replacement?  What glue would you use?

Thanks!


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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Gary Nylander

Where were you, Sam? There is actually quite a bit over here, but just not a 
whole bunch of commercialization, which is the way we like it. We're an hour 
and a half from DC and Baltimore, so that is enough 'civilization' for most of 
us.

And about 5-600 miles of shoreline in our county alone - OK?

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sam Salter 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels


  I was sailing the eastern shore of Maryland about 6 weeks ago - your right 
there is nothing there!
  Get it online:
  Sailrite: http://www.sailrite.com/3M-Dual-Lock-Type-250-1-Clear
  Amazon, eBay, office depot


  sam :-)


  On 2012-11-14, at 8:44 AM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote:


Where do you get it?

Gary
30-1 in the boondocks on the Eastern Shore of Maryland - Lowe's nearby, but 
over 50 miles to anything else
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sam Salter 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:51 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels


  Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will:

  
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

  It's like super industrial strength velcro.

  It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it 
secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small piece 
about  1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world when we 
sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas.

  sam :-)
  C7C 26  Liquorice
  Ghost Lake  Alberta


  On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote: 
Joel,


I plan on replacing some of mine.  I am thinking about using plastic 
sheeting.  I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted the 
wood.  It is only 1/8” thick.  ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up there using 
the stock Velcro.  I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro just doesn’t 
seem to work well, especially in rough conditions.


Jake


Jake Brodersen

CC 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA



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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels


Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too 
thick.  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or 
found a replacement?  What glue would you use?


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Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Kim Brown


FWIW -the discussion got me to check. I had thought the access panels on my
35-3 were standard laminate but they appear to be fiberglass panels that are
very thin - texture and finish on the front but some definite random strands
and resin on the unfinished back. That said, they are very much like
standard formica/plastic laminate. I would suspect it would make a good
substitute excepting that it is probably more brittle than most of the other
suggestions so pre-drilling would matter-if you weren't going the straight
Velcro route. But it is moisture proof, stiff enough, light enough and
available in almost any color. You may also be able to source scraps from
your local cabinet shop- The cabinet shop I worked with always had a big
scrap selection useful for small projects but not for the countertops they
built. May be easier than sourcing a 4x8 sheet of something. 

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-14 Thread Sam Salter

Gary,
I was sailing around Rock Hall and Oxford. Didn't get to St Michaels.
Also went into Baltimore inner Harbour - had Ravens tickets!
Much more civilized on the western side, but great sailing over to the east.
Great sun and wind. No rain all week - unusual for the Chesapeake - well when
we go anyway!
sam :-)

On 2012-11-14, at 3:05 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote:

Where were you, Sam? There is actually quite a bit over here, but just not a
whole bunch of commercialization, which is the way we like it. We're an hour
and a half from DC and Baltimore, so that is enough 'civilization' for most
of us.

And about 5-600 miles of shoreline in our county alone - OK?

Gary
- Original Message -
From: Sam Salter
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

sam :-)

On 2012-11-14, at 8:44 AM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net wrote:

Where do you get it?

Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm almost positive this will:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

It's like super industrial strength velcro.

It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not used it for headliners but it
secures my Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1 lb) with a small
piece about 1 1/2 x 4. This stuff bites! We take it all over the world
when we sail and it's conquered big winds and big seas.

sam :-)
C7C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta

On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote:

Joel,
I plan on replacing some of mine. I am thinking about using plastic
sheeting. I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted
the wood. It is only 1/8” thick. ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up
there using the stock Velcro. I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro
just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions.
Jake
Jake Brodersen
CC 35 Mk-III
Midnight Mistress
Hampton VA
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Headliner access panels
Several of the panels have delaminated. 1/4 inch plywood would be too
thick. Is there a better replacement? Has anyone either re-used the vinyl
or found a replacement? What glue would you use?
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Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Joel Aronson

Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too
thick.  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl
or found a replacement?  What glue would you use?

Thanks!

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Graham Collins


Hi Joel
I replaced mine with 1/8 marine plywood, epoxy coated and then painted 
with Tremclad hammered finish spray in navajo white - blends in perfectly.


As Jake mentioned, and you may agree, the velcro does have some issues - 
mine are pretty good but don't stay tight so I may add a couple of 
strategic screws and caps.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
CC 35-III #11


Joel Aronson wrote:
Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too 
thick.  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the 
vinyl or found a replacement?  What glue would you use?


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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Joel Aronson

Jake
Something like Starboard?  Might check Interstate Plastics. Good idea!

Joel Aronson


On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Jake Brodersen captain_j...@cox.net wrote:

Joel,



I plan on replacing some of mine.  I am thinking about using plastic
sheeting.  I stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time ago and just painted
the wood.  It is only 1/8” thick.  ¼” plywood would be hard to keep up
there using the stock Velcro.  I might screw my next set on, as the Velcro
just doesn’t seem to work well, especially in rough conditions.



Jake



*Jake Brodersen*

*CC 35 Mk-III*

*Midnight Mistress*

*Hampton VA*





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*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Stus-List Headliner access panels



Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too
thick.  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl
or found a replacement?  What glue would you use?



Thanks!



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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Joel Aronson

Graham
 Thanks. I didn't know that is available in1/8 th inch. Time to google!

Joel Aronson


On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Graham Collins cnclistforw...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Joel
 I replaced mine with 1/8 marine plywood, epoxy coated and then painted with 
 Tremclad hammered finish spray in navajo white - blends in perfectly.

 As Jake mentioned, and you may agree, the velcro does have some issues - mine 
 are pretty good but don't stay tight so I may add a couple of strategic 
 screws and caps.

 Graham Collins
 Secret Plans
 CC 35-III #11


 Joel Aronson wrote:
 Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too 
 thick.  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl 
 or found a replacement?  What glue would you use?

 Thanks!

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Ron Casciato

I'd be careful of Starboard...it's heavy for that application even
in 1/8 thickness and I don't actually know if it's available thin or in the
length dimensions you'd need.

The original wood panels used to be called door skins and are likely the
cover panels of hollow core doorsoften in luan mahogany plywood.
Those are still available.   The vinyl covering can be purchased from
Sailrite??? The sewing machine and sail repair materials company.  

I recommend using the small screw cap setsavailable at Home
Desperate or Lowe's.  The cap snaps on over the screw head and snaps to the
washer..easy to install and remove.  I used about 3 per panel down
the middle and they become invisible in a very short time.

Best,

Ron C.
Impromptu
CC 38MKIIC'77
Mass Bay

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

Graham
 Thanks. I didn't know that is available in1/8 th inch. Time to google!

Joel Aronson


On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Graham Collins cnclistforw...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Joel
 I replaced mine with 1/8 marine plywood, epoxy coated and then painted
with Tremclad hammered finish spray in navajo white - blends in perfectly.

 As Jake mentioned, and you may agree, the velcro does have some issues -
mine are pretty good but don't stay tight so I may add a couple of strategic
screws and caps.

 Graham Collins
 Secret Plans
 CC 35-III #11


 Joel Aronson wrote:
 Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too
thick.  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl
or found a replacement?  What glue would you use?

 Thanks!

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Jake Brodersen

Joel,

 

If I go with plastic, I would go to McMaster-Carr.  They have everything.
One of Wal's favorite shopping places, besides the liquor store!

 

Jake

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:51 PM
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Jake

Something like Starboard?  Might check Interstate Plastics. Good idea!

Joel Aronson

 

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Sam Salter

Velcro might not be the answer, but I'm
almost positive this will:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3M-Industrial/Adhesives/Promotions-New-Products/Reclosable-Fasteners/

It's like super industrial strength velcro.

It's not cheap but it is reusable. I've not
used it for headliners but it secures my
Velocitek Speed Puck to the mast (about 1
lb) with a small piece about 1 1/2 x 4.
This stuff bites! We take it all over the
world when we sail and it's conquered big
winds and big seas.

sam :-)
C7C 26 Liquorice
Ghost Lake Alberta

On 13/11/12 4:42 PM, Jake Brodersen wrote:

Joel,

I plan on replacing some of mine. I am
thinking about using plastic sheeting. I
stripped of the peeling vinyl a long time
ago and just painted the wood. It is only
1/8 thick. ¼ plywood would be hard to
keep up there using the stock Velcro. I
might screw my next set on, as the Velcro
just doesn't seem to work well, especially
in rough conditions.

Jake

*/Jake Brodersen/*

*/CC 35 Mk-III/*

*/Midnight Mistress/*

*/Hampton VA/*

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*Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:43 PM
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*Subject:* Stus-List Headliner access panels

Several of the panels have delaminated.
1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. Is
there a better replacement? Has anyone
either re-used the vinyl or found a
replacement? What glue would you use?

Thanks!

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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Wally Bryant

Joel - I did this ten years ago, and it has held up very well and is 
light weight.  If you have the same kind of panels I do...

http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/headlinr/headlinr.htm

Wal


Joel Aronson wrote:

Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too
thick.  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl
or found a replacement?  What glue would you use?

Thanks!



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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Dennis C.

Joel,

Not sure what your access panels look like. I replaced the headliner access 
panels on my 35-1 with some white plastic sheets from mcmaster.com. The sheets 
were smooth on one side, textured on the other. I think I used 1/8 inch thick. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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On Nov 13, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too thick. 
  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl or found 
 a replacement?  What glue would you use?
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: Stus-List Headliner access panels

2012-11-13 Thread Joel Aronson

Mine have vinyl that matches the headliner over plywood. The side
panels have screws with covers. Center ones are Velcro. I'll check
McMaster.

Joel Aronson


On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Joel,

 Not sure what your access panels look like. I replaced the headliner access 
 panels on my 35-1 with some white plastic sheets from mcmaster.com. The 
 sheets were smooth on one side, textured on the other. I think I used 1/8 
 inch thick.

 Dennis C.
 Touché 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA

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 On Nov 13, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Several of the panels have delaminated.  1/4 inch plywood would be too 
 thick.  Is there a better replacement?  Has anyone either re-used the vinyl 
 or found a replacement?  What glue would you use?

 Thanks!

 --
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 301 541 8551
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