Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn’t even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let’s se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years – works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. *Joe Della Barba* Coquina CC 35 MK I *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *John and Maryann Read via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM *To:* 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Reading these posts, I am considering a compromise that I have not done before. I usually leave my mast up and do not do anything special with halyards. But it seems an easy compromise would be to attach the halyard shackles to some cheap nylon line and run them up until the shackle hits the sheave and leave them like that. That way most of the halyard is protected from the sun/snow/wind etc. but you don’t have to hassle with messenger lines and potentially losing a halyard. Thoughts? Dave On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
That's what I have done a couple of times. It works. I'll do it again this year. Gary - Original Message - From: David Knecht via CnC-List To: CnC CnC discussion list Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Reading these posts, I am considering a compromise that I have not done before. I usually leave my mast up and do not do anything special with halyards. But it seems an easy compromise would be to attach the halyard shackles to some cheap nylon line and run them up until the shackle hits the sheave and leave them like that. That way most of the halyard is protected from the sun/snow/wind etc. but you don’t have to hassle with messenger lines and potentially losing a halyard. Thoughts? Dave On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
15 minutes would be great on my wallet. On those years when I take the mast down, I do try to get the crane use to be as low as possible. Maybe John was doing the same. In preparation, I leave everything hand tight for the yard the night before haul out. Provided it's not too windy. Sails off, Boom off, tie off all halyards so they are out of the way, loosen all turnbuckles so they can be taken off by hand, straighten all cotter pins so workers can pull them out by hand. When all that is done, it is conceivable that mast related crane work is less than half hour. 30 minutes times few guys at 90$ per hour, ends up being not that bad. One year I made a mistake of letting the yard do all of the work for me and got a 1800$ mast decommissioning bill. This was about 15 years ago so I imagine it would be even higher now. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Well, here I am pulling my mast in 2 ½ Minutes, mostly in the dark, with my spindly girlfriend doing most of the cranking. (uphill, both ways!) And I was poorly prepared last year! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpz1hAODZAY And Homey aint painting your bottom OR doing your engine! Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didnt even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Lets se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Bill Sure gets dark quickly where you are and you guys must down a lot of Red Bull! Spar crane setup looks pretty much the same as ours One additional comment. I used to store my mast outside on sawhorses in my back yard with spreaders attached. Water can get in to tuff luff, roller furling track, spreaders, etc ... Last few years I left it atop my boat in my yard with the spreaders removed and inside the boat and then I wrapped my entire mast in plastic to prevent water intrusion and subsequent freezing (was getting paranoid about my Tuff Luff I guess). With the new boat there is a spar shed where the masts are stored inside. Much nicer Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:15 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Well, here I am pulling my mast in 2 ½ Minutes, mostly in the dark, with my spindly girlfriend doing most of the cranking. (uphill, both ways!) And I was poorly prepared last year! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpz1hAODZAY And Homey ain't painting your bottom OR doing your engine! Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
The one time I pulled my mast I had to: 1. Remove jib, fold, and put away. 2. Remove main, fold, and put away. 3. Remove boom 4. Main halyard is fixed to the reel winch on one end, so I had to cut the shackle off the other end 5. Unwire the lights and radio antenna. 6. Get all turnbuckles loosened and cotter pins out. 7. Get crane driver to go find the crane and drive it over. 8. Get line around mast. 9. *Actually pulling the line with the crane and getting the mast off the boat was a couple of minutes* 10. Get a few people to help carry the mast to the storage rack. If you ONLY count the time the crane is actually pulling upwards, 2 minutes is it ;) In other news, it only took about 5 minutes to lower the new engine onto the mounts, but there were a few steps before and after that. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:15 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Well, here I am pulling my mast in 2 ½ Minutes, mostly in the dark, with my spindly girlfriend doing most of the cranking. (uphill, both ways!) And I was poorly prepared last year! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpz1hAODZAY And Homey ain't painting your bottom OR doing your engine! Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:32 AM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Also, if someone could get my mast off in 15 minutes I would expect they could do my bottom paint and zincs in 10 minutes and replace my engine in 5 minutes. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Josh Muckley [mailto:muckl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:29 AM To: Della Barba, Joe; CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Exactly my expierience Joe. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Sep 24, 2014 8:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn't even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let's se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years - works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
This probably _is_ a regional thing. If you do it regularly twice a year, the amount of time at the crane is less than 30 min. Our Club policy is that you can book the crane for just 30 min. Most people can manage under that limit. Marek From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? This must be a regional thing. Mast pulling is fairly rare in Maryland. I am almost never hauled out during the winter, but the few times I have been the yard didn’t even ask about the mast. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:50 PM To: 'Ron Ricci'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Let’s se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years – works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
I usually leave my mast in the boat. It does need to be pulled every few years to properly inspect the rigging. My boat does fine on the jack stands here in Bristol, RI. However, a couple of years ago, during a near-miss hurricane a very large boat with a ~70’ mast and in-mast furling blew over. It rolled into another boat. Fortunately a wide fishing boat stopped the domino effect. One thing that I do is to remove the halyards and topping lift. I replace them with messenger lines and wash them. My rigger told me this would effectively double the useful life of the lines. The only issue I’ve had leaving the mast in the boat is water coming down the mast. A rag in the luff track, above the shrink wrap, stops much of it. I also put anti-freeze in the bilge. Regards, Ron Ronald V. Ricci S/V Patriot CC 37+ Bristol, RI mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com ron.ri...@1968.usna.com From: Hoyt, Mike [mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? This is a long time debate. Which damages boat / mast more? Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up? I know that one season on our J27 we left the mast up. That Spring while working on the boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything. The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack stands. The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of jack stands. One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle. Another way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down. I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands. I believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle. So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question. At the very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast Mike From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: Ron Casciato; mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Let’s se Mast up = HUGE increase in windage and pressure brought to bear on cradle or jack stand pads = increased issues of hull flexing / damage Effective area of pad in contact with hull is about same as your hand clenched in a fist Pads are located in area of cored hull Yard has purpose built mobile crane for masts with extending boom etc. Takes about 15 minutes to pull Yard staff is well seasoned and qualified Get to thoroughly inspect mast, rigging, lights and instruments every year Have stored with mast down for 30+ years – works for me John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there? Advice appreciated, Mark -- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there? Advice appreciated, Mark -- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there? Advice appreciated, Mark -- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there? Advice appreciated, Mark -- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
This is a long time debate. Which damages boat / mast more? Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up? I know that one season on our J27 we left the mast up. That Spring while working on the boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything. The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack stands. The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of jack stands. One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle. Another way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down. I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands. I believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle. So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question. At the very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there? Advice appreciated, Mark -- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Mine goes down every 4 years for inspection of rod rig, tangs etc...This winter, besides inspecting the rig, I have to get to the keel bolt below the mast step and also deal with failed wind instrument. My datamarine connector at the masthead is worn. I also plan on changing to LED tricolor and anchor light. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Casciato via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:13 PM To: 'Hoyt, Mike'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there? Advice appreciated, Mark -- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Mike: I agree that we haven't talked about this one for some time..in my case (mast up)...the cost to take it down and put it back up is prohibitivemore than $500 which is not part of the storage agreementnot doing that every year. Ron C. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? This is a long time debate. Which damages boat / mast more? Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up? I know that one season on our J27 we left the mast up. That Spring while working on the boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything. The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack stands. The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of jack stands. One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle. Another way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down. I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands. I believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle. So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question. At the very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there? Advice appreciated, Mark -- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
The yard where I keep my boat requires the mast to come down for winter storage on the hard. I feel it gives me the opportunity to have a look at everything every year. It also makes covering her up a lot easier... DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: 'Hoyt, Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:41:35 -0400 Mike: I agree that we havenrsquo;t talked about this one for some timehellip;hellip;hellip;hellip;..in my case (mast up)hellip;hellip;.the cost to take it down and put it back up is prohibitivehellip;hellip;hellip;.more than $500 which is not part of the storage agreementhellip;hellip;hellip;hellip;not doing that every year. Ron C. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? This is a long time debate. Which damages boat / mast more? Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up? I know that one season on our J27 we left the mast up. That Spring while working on the boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything. The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack stands. The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of jack stands. One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle. Another way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down. I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands. I believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle. So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question. At the very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
Ours used to do so as well - insurance now, we can leave them up. Mine comes down every two or three years, just because I either have to fix something up there or under the mast step. Last year, I got the mast out and stored the boat under the shed - no cover, no nothing. neat! The year before, it was up and we were shrink-wrapped. This year, up, on land, and a small cover (the shrink-wrap is expensive and doesn't seem to keep it that much cleaner than a boom top tarp). Hopefully we will be next to the building again - protects from adverse wind. Small yard. Gary - Original Message - From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List To: rjcasci...@comcast.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:48 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? The yard where I keep my boat requires the mast to come down for winter storage on the hard. I feel it gives me the opportunity to have a look at everything every year. It also makes covering her up a lot easier... Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: 'Hoyt, Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:41:35 -0400 Mike: I agree that we haven't talked about this one for some time..in my case (mast up)...the cost to take it down and put it back up is prohibitivemore than $500 which is not part of the storage agreementnot doing that every year. Ron C. -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? This is a long time debate. Which damages boat / mast more? Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up? I know that one season on our J27 we left the mast up. That Spring while working on the boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything. The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack stands. The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of jack stands. One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle. Another way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down. I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands. I believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle. So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question. At the very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part
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an extra consideration is that if you are hauling by a crane, the procedure is much more labour and time intensive. We tried it with a couple of boats at the Club and everyone (probably other than the owners) hate it. If they are charged by the hour, it would be more agreeable. But if they are charged the same amount as the rest of the owners, we find it unfair. And it is a big PITA to have the crane use 50 ft. of chains to have the hook above the mast. I guess if you use some kind of a travelling lift it would be less of an issue. Marek (in Ottawa) -Original Message- From: Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there? Advice appreciated, Mark -- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Danny Do you know of an available Viking 33 mast? Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List on behalf of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Mon 22/09/2014 4:48 PM To: rjcasci...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? The yard where I keep my boat requires the mast to come down for winter storage on the hard. I feel it gives me the opportunity to have a look at everything every year. It also makes covering her up a lot easier... DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: 'Hoyt, Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:41:35 -0400 Mike: I agree that we havenrsquo;t talked about this one for some timehellip;hellip;hellip;hellip;..in my case (mast up)hellip;hellip;.the cost to take it down and put it back up is prohibitivehellip;hellip;hellip;.more than $500 which is not part of the storage agreementhellip;hellip;hellip;hellip;not doing that every year. Ron C. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? This is a long time debate. Which damages boat / mast more? Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up? I know that one season on our J27 we left the mast up. That Spring while working on the boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything. The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack stands. The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of jack stands. One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle. Another way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down. I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands. I believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle. So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question. At the very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up
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On the first point - jack stand vs cradle --- I just had a new cradle built by a local fabricator -- 6 pad cradle and looks really strong. Should support the boat well. As for the mast up or down Seems there is no real consensus. My boat came with a fitted cover that did a pretty good job of keeping the water out over the winters - but I'm sure some found it's way down the mast. Our club crane hauls many boats with the mast in place. Thanks for all the feedback. I'm still waffling back and forth. Guess we'll figure it out when I get close. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 22/09/2014 4:32 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: This is a long time debate. Which damages boat / mast more? Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up? I know that one season on our J27 we left the mast up. That Spring while working on the boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything. The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack stands. The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of jack stands. One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle. Another way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down. I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands. I believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle. So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question. At the very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay "a little" not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be
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Hi Mark The BBYC crane is the best in the area for pulling a mast, makes it painless for mine. Were I you I would think about pulling it to allow a proper inspection and maintenance - checking the rigging, the sheaves, and the wiring. All can be done from the chair, but not as well. I've left my mast in the last two years, it is a pain when the rain gets in but otherwise no ill effects. I'd like to haul it this year, just have to figure which friends to tap for assistance... Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-09-22 2:46 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List wrote: All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any associated part will not be covered under warranty if the boat has been stored with the rig in place. I pulled the mast on my Mirage 24 - but we were able to do that by hand. Our club has a crane and a gin pole(?) that could be used to pull the mast --- but given all the bigger boats seem to leave the mast in place I wonder if I'm better leaving it as it is. Loosen up the shrouds a little and maybe pull our the halyards (leaving messenger lines). I know when I bought the boat it hadn't been off the jack stands for 3 yrs - and the mast was up the whole time (shrouds not loosened and 3 of the 4 halyards just pulled up to the mast head --- rescued by the launch crew for me) Having just bought this boat I wonder if hauling the mast might be a good idea so I can get a good look at the mast head, sheaves etc. That said everything is working well -- is it easier to just go up the mast in a bosuns chair and do an inspection from there? Advice appreciated, Mark ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter?
I do not but, there is a maybe salvage yard in Quincy ma. That might have something... they are called mass marine parts. They have quite a few mats and one may suffice. They have a list of masts and the boats they came off listed on their website and I bet they have lots that aren't listed. I went there once, they have a lot of gear! Massmarineparts.com 617-719-8232 I have no affiliation with them, I just know they exist. Danny From my Android phone Original message From: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com Date: 09/22/2014 5:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com,cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Danny Do you know of an available Viking 33 mast? Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List on behalf of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Mon 22/09/2014 4:48 PM To: rjcasci...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? The yard where I keep my boat requires the mast to come down for winter storage on the hard. I feel it gives me the opportunity to have a look at everything every year. It also makes covering her up a lot easier... DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: 'Hoyt, Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:41:35 -0400 Mike: I agree that we havenrsquo;t talked about this one for some timehellip;hellip;hellip;hellip;..in my case (mast up)hellip;hellip;.the cost to take it down and put it back up is prohibitivehellip;hellip;hellip;.more than $500 which is not part of the storage agreementhellip;hellip;hellip;hellip;not doing that every year. Ron C. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 3:32 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? This is a long time debate. Which damages boat / mast more? Removal and reinstall of mast and potential mishaps or leaving it up? I know that one season on our J27 we left the mast up. That Spring while working on the boat the entire cradle would vibrate every time a gust of wind hit. I attribute this to a very slender and bendy spar as much as anything. The big issue these days seems to be leaving a spar up with a boat on jack stands. The extra windage of the mast further compromises the integrity of jack stands. One local club (Dartmouth Yacht Club) will not permit a mast to be left up on the hard unless the boat is stored on a cradle. Another way to look at it is if you wish to use jack stands the mast must come down. I realize that many boat yards in the Northeast US only allow jackstands. I believe this is due to yard space and not due to a jackstand being more secure than a cradle. So here we are back to the very old mast up vs mast down question. At the very least mast down does give you a good opportunity to inspect the standing rigging and the mast Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: Ron Casciato; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Same in Annapolis. Masts stay in the boat unless they are being worked on. Joel On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Ron Casciato via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In the boatyards around Boston.almost no masts are removed for winter storage..most are stored with mast up and seem to do well In the past 14 years, I've only taken mine down for revisions or repairs to wind instruments..probably 3 times in that 14 year interval It will be staying up again this year. Yes, relieve the tension on shrouds and backstay a little not flopping around Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC.'77 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:03 PM To: Dr. Mark Bodnar; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? Mast up with a boat on jack stands is not a good idea. Many clubs around here do not permit it -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 2:47 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Mast removal for winter? All the discussion about unstepping the mast has me wondering about the merits of leaving it in or pulling it out for the winter. In the owners manual for the CS 30 is states CS Yachts does not recommend that the yacht be stored with the mast left in place as this places stresses on the hull and rig not encountered during normal operation. Any damage to the yacht, its cradle or any
