Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

Rick,

the issue is that, according to the zipper documentation, you should NOT use 
the car to open the zipper but to 'rip' it open from the yellow area.  After 
inspecting the bobbin you need to open the full length of the zipper so you can 
now close it.

I plan to use the car to open enough to check on the bobbin

Leslie.


On Wed, 11/15/17, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net>
 Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2017, 7:40 PM
 
 The maintenance record on the two
 auto inflate PFDs I bought show they were made in October,
 2015. Is it possible the bobbins in yours are marked with a
 2015 manufacturing date and not an expiration date?
 The maintenance for the PFDs calls for visual
 inspection of the green ring in the inflator dome and of the
 green/red tab on the manual trigger, but I don't recall
 an expiration date or a recommended replacement interval on
 the bobbins.
 
 On mine, the
 slider of the zipper IS on the end over the inflation
 mechanism when the zipper is closed. And the zipper is a big
 improvement over the Velcro strips on the Sospenders and
 West Marine PFDs I've bought previously.
 
 Rick Brass
 Washington, NC
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Leslie Paal via CnC-List
 Sent:
 Monday, November 13, 2017 8:02 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Leslie Paal <lpaalc...@yahoo.com>
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd
 
 I got two of these, but not impressed.  The
 design (or manufacturing) has a couple issues.
 - the "rip" zipper seems to me
 installed backward.  To check the bobbin you have to undo
 the whole zipper because the slider is on the wrong end.
 - the manual activation cord has a very good
 chance to get caught on things and surprise the wearer.  My
 other west have the activator protected from accidental
 pull.
 
 I suppose you get
 what you pay for.  I'm still think it was an OK buy,
 just not so grand.
 
 Leslie.
 and yes the bobbins
 have 2015 date.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

the documentation with the PDF also state 3 years service life for "us".

Leslie.


On Thu, 11/16/17, Michael Brannon via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 Cc: "Michael Brannon" <ff1...@aol.com>
 Date: Thursday, November 16, 2017, 5:38 AM
 
 One of my
 auto inflate PFDs went off by itself years ago.   When I
 looked at the bobbin it was way past its service life, I was
 only looking to see if the green showed on the outside tab
 and was not checking the date on the bobbin.  Halkey
 Roberts website ( 
http://www.halkeyroberts.com/userfiles/files/Inflation%20IFUs/IFU_V80040_B%20Rev%20A.pdf
 )
 says the bobbins have a shelf life of 3 years and a service
 life of 3 years for recreational use.  For something
 approaching the end of its shelf life installed on a PFD
 that is new old stock and not knowing the conditions in
 which it was stored I think the bobbin is close to the end
 of its service life.  My annual maintenance is to verify
 that the bobbin is within its service life and blow up the
 PFD to see that it holds for 24 hours.  On a monthly basis
 I check that the tab is green but if it is red, you will
 know because the life jacket will have inflated.   
 I’m
 a retired Naval Officer so I may go a bit overboard on the
 PFD maintenance but I feel better by going to this extreme.
  
 
 Sail
 Safe, 
 Mike
 BrannonVirginia Lee,
 93295C 36
 CBVirginia Beach, Va
 
 
 On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Rick
 Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 wrote:
 The
 maintenance record on the two auto inflate PFDs I bought
 show they were made in October, 2015. Is it possible the
 bobbins in yours are marked with a 2015 manufacturing date
 and not an expiration date?
 The maintenance for the PFDs calls for
 visual inspection of the green ring in the inflator dome and
 of the green/red tab on the manual trigger, but I don't
 recall an expiration date or a recommended replacement
 interval on the bobbins.
 
 On mine, the slider of the zipper IS
 on the end over the inflation mechanism when the zipper is
 closed. And the zipper is a big improvement over the Velcro
 strips on the Sospenders and West Marine PFDs I've
 bought previously.
 
 Rick Brass
 Washington, NC
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of Leslie Paal via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:02
 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Leslie Paal <lpaalc...@yahoo.com>
 Subject: Re: Stus-List
 Pfd
 
 I got two of these, but not impressed.
  The design (or manufacturing) has a couple issues.
 - the "rip"
 zipper seems to me installed backward.  To check the bobbin
 you have to undo the whole zipper because the slider is on
 the wrong end.
 - the
 manual activation cord has a very good chance to get caught
 on things and surprise the wearer.  My other west have the
 activator protected from accidental pull.
 
 I suppose you get what you pay for.
  I'm still think it was an OK buy, just not so
 grand.
 
 Leslie.
 and yes the bobbins have 2015 date.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

One of my auto inflate PFDs went off by itself years ago.   When I looked at 
the bobbin it was way past its service life, I was only looking to see if the 
green showed on the outside tab and was not checking the date on the bobbin.  
Halkey Roberts website ( 
http://www.halkeyroberts.com/userfiles/files/Inflation%20IFUs/IFU_V80040_B%20Rev%20A.pdf
 
<http://www.halkeyroberts.com/userfiles/files/Inflation%20IFUs/IFU_V80040_B%20Rev%20A.pdf>
 ) says the bobbins have a shelf life of 3 years and a service life of 3 years 
for recreational use.  For something approaching the end of its shelf life 
installed on a PFD that is new old stock and not knowing the conditions in 
which it was stored I think the bobbin is close to the end of its service life. 
 My annual maintenance is to verify that the bobbin is within its service life 
and blow up the PFD to see that it holds for 24 hours.  On a monthly basis I 
check that the tab is green but if it is red, you will know because the life 
jacket will have inflated.   

I’m a retired Naval Officer so I may go a bit overboard on the PFD maintenance 
but I feel better by going to this extreme.  

Sail Safe, 

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee, 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, Va


> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The maintenance record on the two auto inflate PFDs I bought show they were 
> made in October, 2015. Is it possible the bobbins in yours are marked with a 
> 2015 manufacturing date and not an expiration date?
> The maintenance for the PFDs calls for visual inspection of the green ring in 
> the inflator dome and of the green/red tab on the manual trigger, but I don't 
> recall an expiration date or a recommended replacement interval on the 
> bobbins.
> 
> On mine, the slider of the zipper IS on the end over the inflation mechanism 
> when the zipper is closed. And the zipper is a big improvement over the 
> Velcro strips on the Sospenders and West Marine PFDs I've bought previously.
> 
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Leslie 
> Paal via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:02 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Leslie Paal <lpaalc...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd
> 
> I got two of these, but not impressed.  The design (or manufacturing) has a 
> couple issues.
> - the "rip" zipper seems to me installed backward.  To check the bobbin you 
> have to undo the whole zipper because the slider is on the wrong end.
> - the manual activation cord has a very good chance to get caught on things 
> and surprise the wearer.  My other west have the activator protected from 
> accidental pull.
> 
> I suppose you get what you pay for.  I'm still think it was an OK buy, just 
> not so grand.
> 
> Leslie.
> and yes the bobbins have 2015 date.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Here's a link to a Mustang bobbin that calls for replacement of the bobbin
every three years:
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C135%7C2290066%7C2290076=66
6701.  It states that this is to prevent inadvertent inflation.  My guess is
that you could safely extend the interval since it appears that the mode of
failure is "fail-safe".  The downside is that you could waste a good CO2
cartridge and may have your PFD stuck inside a locker.  A friend just
purchased one of these PFD's since one of his actuated inside a locker.
Best to inspect the entire actuator annually.  

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI
ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd

The maintenance record on the two auto inflate PFDs I bought show they were
made in October, 2015. Is it possible the bobbins in yours are marked with a
2015 manufacturing date and not an expiration date?
The maintenance for the PFDs calls for visual inspection of the green ring
in the inflator dome and of the green/red tab on the manual trigger, but I
don't recall an expiration date or a recommended replacement interval on the
bobbins.

On mine, the slider of the zipper IS on the end over the inflation mechanism
when the zipper is closed. And the zipper is a big improvement over the
Velcro strips on the Sospenders and West Marine PFDs I've bought previously.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The maintenance record on the two auto inflate PFDs I bought show they were 
made in October, 2015. Is it possible the bobbins in yours are marked with a 
2015 manufacturing date and not an expiration date?
The maintenance for the PFDs calls for visual inspection of the green ring in 
the inflator dome and of the green/red tab on the manual trigger, but I don't 
recall an expiration date or a recommended replacement interval on the bobbins.

On mine, the slider of the zipper IS on the end over the inflation mechanism 
when the zipper is closed. And the zipper is a big improvement over the Velcro 
strips on the Sospenders and West Marine PFDs I've bought previously.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC




-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Leslie Paal 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 8:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Leslie Paal <lpaalc...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd

I got two of these, but not impressed.  The design (or manufacturing) has a 
couple issues.
- the "rip" zipper seems to me installed backward.  To check the bobbin you 
have to undo the whole zipper because the slider is on the wrong end.
- the manual activation cord has a very good chance to get caught on things and 
surprise the wearer.  My other west have the activator protected from 
accidental pull.

I suppose you get what you pay for.  I'm still think it was an OK buy, just not 
so grand.

Leslie.
and yes the bobbins have 2015 date.




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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

I got two of these, but not impressed.  The design (or manufacturing) has a 
couple issues.
- the "rip" zipper seems to me installed backward.  To check the bobbin you 
have to undo the whole zipper because the slider is on the wrong end.
- the manual activation cord has a very good chance to get caught on things and 
surprise the wearer.  My other west have the activator protected from 
accidental pull.

I suppose you get what you pay for.  I'm still think it was an OK buy, just not 
so grand.

Leslie.
and yes the bobbins have 2015 date.


On Fri, 11/10/17, Mike Brannon via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Pfd
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: "Mike Brannon" <ff1...@aol.com>
 Date: Friday, November 10, 2017, 9:57 AM
 
 If you ordered these PFDs be sure to check
 the bobbins.   Mine arrived with bobbins that expired
 in 2015.
 
 Mike
 Virginia LEE 93295
 Virginia Beach, VA
 
 Sent from my iPad Mini
 
 > On Nov 2, 2017, at 06:58, Lisle
 Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 wrote:
 > 
 > You need to use the coupon code, I
 did and it worked, thanks Joel!!
 > 
 > Lisle
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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Tim Traynor via CnC-List]

The PFDs I received show they were filled in 2015 and the indicators are still 
green. 

Tim
Duluth, MN 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2017, at 11:57 AM, Mike Brannon via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you ordered these PFDs be sure to check the bobbins.   Mine arrived with 
> bobbins that expired in 2015.
> 
> Mike
> Virginia LEE 93295
> Virginia Beach, VA
> 
> Sent from my iPad Mini
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2017, at 06:58, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You need to use the coupon code, I did and it worked, thanks Joel!!
>> 
>> Lisle
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Re: Stus-List Pfd

[Mike Brannon via CnC-List]

If you ordered these PFDs be sure to check the bobbins.   Mine arrived with 
bobbins that expired in 2015.

Mike
Virginia LEE 93295
Virginia Beach, VA

Sent from my iPad Mini

> On Nov 2, 2017, at 06:58, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> You need to use the coupon code, I did and it worked, thanks Joel!!
> 
> Lisle
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Re: Stus-List PFD sale

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Use the code AC697 at checkout.  It appears in the link. You’ll get an Active 
Captain credit.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 12:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List PFD sale

 

I tried the link, which lists the price as you state.  However, when I add the 
PFDs to the cart, I get the $74.99 price.

 

From:  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Joel Aronson via CnC-List 

Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 10:08 AM

To:  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc:  <mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> Joel Aronson 

Subject: Stus-List PFD sale

 

 

We have 2 of these.

 

This week the Defender 1st exclusive offer is an incredible value.  The
USCG approved Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available
in both manual and automatic models. They incorporate Crewsaver's
"Fusion" 3D technology, so the PFD molds to the shape of your body.  Its
form-fitting neckline offers complete freedom of movement and maximizes
comfort. These life jackets feature 35 lbs. of buoyancy. The built-in,
unique chin support keeps your head tilted back so airways remain clear.
Its bladder will turn you on your back, and support your head. The
Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport can be fitted with a personal AIS device for
added safety, and all lifejackets include a light attachment point,
which is essential if you are making a long voyage or night passage.

The Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available in (3)
colors: Red, Blue and Navy.

Hurry! This offer is limited to stock on hand, so get yours while
supplies last!

Check out all the details and get the AC code at the link below.

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Manual Activation:
$34.99. (Special Buy Price: $74.99, Regularly: $119.99, List: $149.99)

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Automatic Activation:
$39.99 (Special Buy Price: $79.99, Regularly: $131.99, List: $165.99)

Special ends: November 7, 2017 at 11:59 PM ET

Get the special price and learn more at:
 <http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp> 
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

Wow, you will not find a great price like anywhere. Ensure your crew is
safe, you can't afford not to. But hurry supplies are limited.


 

-- 

Joel 
301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List PFD sale

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

GREAT PRICE. Thanks joel bought 3. Pays for the list donation!Jim Schwartz SEA 
YA!38 LFwashington nc 
 Original message From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 11/1/17  10:08 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> Subject: 
Stus-List PFD sale 

We have 2 of these.
This week the Defender 1st exclusive offer is an incredible value.  The
USCG approved Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available
in both manual and automatic models. They incorporate Crewsaver's
"Fusion" 3D technology, so the PFD molds to the shape of your body.  Its
form-fitting neckline offers complete freedom of movement and maximizes
comfort. These life jackets feature 35 lbs. of buoyancy. The built-in,
unique chin support keeps your head tilted back so airways remain clear.
Its bladder will turn you on your back, and support your head. The
Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport can be fitted with a personal AIS device for
added safety, and all lifejackets include a light attachment point,
which is essential if you are making a long voyage or night passage.

The Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available in (3)
colors: Red, Blue and Navy.

Hurry! This offer is limited to stock on hand, so get yours while
supplies last!

Check out all the details and get the AC code at the link below.

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Manual Activation:
$34.99. (Special Buy Price: $74.99, Regularly: $119.99, List: $149.99)

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Automatic Activation:
$39.99 (Special Buy Price: $79.99, Regularly: $131.99, List: $165.99)

Special ends: November 7, 2017 at 11:59 PM ET

Get the special price and learn more at:
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

Wow, you will not find a great price like anywhere. Ensure your crew is
safe, you can't afford not to. But hurry supplies are limited.

-- 
Joel 
301 541 8551

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Re: Stus-List PFD

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

On 11/2/2017 10:47 AM, Hervey Machen via CnC-List wrote:

Matthew,
OnJoel's email click on the link to Defender, there's a coupon code to 
enter at checkout. I did and got the 39.99 price.

Hervey
1972 35 MK I



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Re: Stus-List PFD

[Hervey Machen via CnC-List]

t <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:
>
> I'll bite since I have owned a 34R now for 15 years with runners and
checkstays. They are a PITA. So is a Baby Stay and that's why you won't
find them on modern designs. Baby Stays went out of vogue in the 80's with
most designers except C who kept them longer than anyone else. To be
honest, I bought my boat because it had runners and checkstays and I wanted
to learn all I could about making a sailboat go fast. I don't regret it.
>
> Runners and Checkstays make a difference but I wouldn't add them to an
existing design. They complicate the mast with so many anchor points and
the deck too, requiring another set of winches or heavy duty purchases.
Research has shown me that the forces on the runner block and deck anchor
point are close to the breaking strength of the backstay. This requires
large expensive blocks and beefy anchor points on deck w heavy backing
plates to spread the loads properly.
>
> Harken has some great spreadsheets on this but if memory serves, my "end
of boom" mainsheet load is around 600# max. I have a 5:1 course with a 20:1
fine tune. The halyards are 1500# max. The genoa sheet is about the
same1500 to 2000#. The #3 jib sheet in 40 knots of wind is 3000# plus.
While the runner is closer to 1#.
>
> BTW, the highest load for running gear for a typical sloop is the #3 jib
sheet in high winds. The highest load for a sailboat with a bowsprit will
be the bobstay, which is many times higher than the backstay. It's all
physics.
>
>> On November 1, 2017 at 3:34 PM jacob fuerst via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Furthering the baby stay thread, has anyone considered replacing the
baby stay with check stays? Still controls the mast pump, more versatile,
adjustable from the cockpit, and it gets the baby stay out of they way. I
could be way off base here. Thoughts?
>>
>> Jacob Fuerst
>> 303-520-4669
>> Ventura, CA
>> '78 C 36
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I tried the link, which lists the price as you state.  However, when I add
the PFDs to the cart, I get the $74.99 price.

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*Subject:* Stus-List PFD sale


We have 2 of these.

This week the Defender 1st exclusive offer is an incredible value.  The
USCG approved Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available
in both manual and automatic models. They incorporate Crewsaver's
"Fusion" 3D technology, so the PFD molds to the shape of your body.  Its
form-fitting neckline offers complete freedom of movement and maximizes
comfort. These life jackets feature 35 lbs. of buoyancy. The built-in,
unique chin support keeps your head tilted back so airways remain clear.
Its bladder will turn you on your back, and support your head. The
Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport can be fitted with a personal AIS device for
added safety, and all lifejackets include a light attachment point,
which is essential if you are making a long voyage or night passage.

The Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available in (3)
colors: Red, Blue and Navy.

Hurry! This offer is limited to stock on hand, so get yours while
supplies last!

Check out all the details and get the AC code at the link below.

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Manual Activation:
$34.99. (Special Buy Price: $74.99, Regularly: $119.99, List: $149.99)

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Automatic Activation:
$39.99 (Special Buy Price: $79.99, Regularly: $131.99, List: $165.99)

Special ends: November 7, 2017 at 11:59 PM ET

Get the special price and learn more at:
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

Wow, you will not find a great price like anywhere. Ensure your crew is
safe, you can't afford not to. But hurry supplies are limited.

-- 
Joel
301 541 8551 &l

Re: Stus-List PFD sale

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Thanks Joel!
I too ordered 2.
This list is great!


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We have 2 of these.
This week the Defender 1st exclusive offer is an incredible value.  The
USCG approved Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available
in both manual and automatic models. They incorporate Crewsaver's
"Fusion" 3D technology, so the PFD molds to the shape of your body.  Its
form-fitting neckline offers complete freedom of movement and maximizes
comfort. These life jackets feature 35 lbs. of buoyancy. The built-in,
unique chin support keeps your head tilted back so airways remain clear.
Its bladder will turn you on your back, and support your head. The
Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport can be fitted with a personal AIS device for
added safety, and all lifejackets include a light attachment point,
which is essential if you are making a long voyage or night passage.

The Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available in (3)
colors: Red, Blue and Navy.

Hurry! This offer is limited to stock on hand, so get yours while
supplies last!

Check out all the details and get the AC code at the link below.

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Manual Activation:
$34.99. (Special Buy Price: $74.99, Regularly: $119.99, List: $149.99)

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Automatic Activation:
$39.99 (Special Buy Price: $79.99, Regularly: $131.99, List: $165.99)

Special ends: November 7, 2017 at 11:59 PM ET

Get the special price and learn more at:
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

Wow, you will not find a great price like anywhere. Ensure your crew is
safe, you can't afford not to. But hurry supplies are limited.

-- 
Joel 
301 541 8551

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[Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List]

You need to use the coupon code, I did and it worked, thanks Joel!!

Lisle
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[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

I got 2 myself. Great price. 


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Figured out the coupon code issue.  My apologies.  Thanks for the 
heads-up.


 

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Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List PFD sale
 




We have 2 of these.

This week the Defender 1st 
exclusive offer is an incredible value.  The
USCG approved Crewsaver 
Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available
in both manual and 
automatic models. They incorporate Crewsaver's
"Fusion" 3D technology, so 
the PFD molds to the shape of your body.  Its
form-fitting neckline 
offers complete freedom of movement and maximizes
comfort. These life 
jackets feature 35 lbs. of buoyancy. The built-in,
unique chin support keeps 
your head tilted back so airways remain clear.
Its bladder will turn you 
on your back, and support your head. The
Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport can be fitted with a personal 
AIS device for
added safety, and all lifejackets include a light 
attachment point,
which is essential if you are making a long voyage or 
night passage.

The Crewsaver Crewfit 35 
Sport Inflatable PFDs are available in (3)
colors: Red, Blue and 
Navy.

Hurry! This offer is limited to stock on hand, so get 
yours while
supplies last!

Check out all the details 
and get the AC code at the link below.

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport 
USCG Inflatable PFD Manual Activation:
$34.99. (Special Buy Price: $74.99, Regularly: $119.99, 
List: $149.99)

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport 
USCG Inflatable PFD Automatic Activation:
$39.99 (Special Buy Price: 
$79.99, Regularly: $131.99, List: $165.99)

Special ends: November 7, 2017 at 11:59 PM ET

Get the special price and learn more at:
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

Wow, you will not find a great price like anywhere. 
Ensure your crew is
safe, you can't afford not to. But hurry supplies are 
limited.

 -- 

Joel 
301 541 8551


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Re: Stus-List PFD sale

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Figured out the coupon code issue.  My apologies.  Thanks for the heads-up.

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 10:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List PFD sale



We have 2 of these.


This week the Defender 1st exclusive offer is an incredible value.  The
USCG approved Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available
in both manual and automatic models. They incorporate Crewsaver's
"Fusion" 3D technology, so the PFD molds to the shape of your body.  Its
form-fitting neckline offers complete freedom of movement and maximizes
comfort. These life jackets feature 35 lbs. of buoyancy. The built-in,
unique chin support keeps your head tilted back so airways remain clear.
Its bladder will turn you on your back, and support your head. The
Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport can be fitted with a personal AIS device for
added safety, and all lifejackets include a light attachment point,
which is essential if you are making a long voyage or night passage.

The Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available in (3)
colors: Red, Blue and Navy.

Hurry! This offer is limited to stock on hand, so get yours while
supplies last!

Check out all the details and get the AC code at the link below.

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Manual Activation:
$34.99. (Special Buy Price: $74.99, Regularly: $119.99, List: $149.99)

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Automatic Activation:
$39.99 (Special Buy Price: $79.99, Regularly: $131.99, List: $165.99)

Special ends: November 7, 2017 at 11:59 PM ET

Get the special price and learn more at:
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

Wow, you will not find a great price like anywhere. Ensure your crew is
safe, you can't afford not to. But hurry supplies are limited.


-- 

Joel 
301 541 8551



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Re: Stus-List PFD sale

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I tried the link, which lists the price as you state.  However, when I add the 
PFDs to the cart, I get the $74.99 price.

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 10:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List PFD sale



We have 2 of these.


This week the Defender 1st exclusive offer is an incredible value.  The
USCG approved Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available
in both manual and automatic models. They incorporate Crewsaver's
"Fusion" 3D technology, so the PFD molds to the shape of your body.  Its
form-fitting neckline offers complete freedom of movement and maximizes
comfort. These life jackets feature 35 lbs. of buoyancy. The built-in,
unique chin support keeps your head tilted back so airways remain clear.
Its bladder will turn you on your back, and support your head. The
Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport can be fitted with a personal AIS device for
added safety, and all lifejackets include a light attachment point,
which is essential if you are making a long voyage or night passage.

The Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available in (3)
colors: Red, Blue and Navy.

Hurry! This offer is limited to stock on hand, so get yours while
supplies last!

Check out all the details and get the AC code at the link below.

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Manual Activation:
$34.99. (Special Buy Price: $74.99, Regularly: $119.99, List: $149.99)

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Automatic Activation:
$39.99 (Special Buy Price: $79.99, Regularly: $131.99, List: $165.99)

Special ends: November 7, 2017 at 11:59 PM ET

Get the special price and learn more at:
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

Wow, you will not find a great price like anywhere. Ensure your crew is
safe, you can't afford not to. But hurry supplies are limited.


-- 

Joel 
301 541 8551



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Stus-List PFD sale

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We have 2 of these.

This week the Defender 1st exclusive offer is an incredible value.  The
USCG approved Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available
in both manual and automatic models. They incorporate Crewsaver's
"Fusion" 3D technology, so the PFD molds to the shape of your body.  Its
form-fitting neckline offers complete freedom of movement and maximizes
comfort. These life jackets feature 35 lbs. of buoyancy. The built-in,
unique chin support keeps your head tilted back so airways remain clear.
Its bladder will turn you on your back, and support your head. The
Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport can be fitted with a personal AIS device for
added safety, and all lifejackets include a light attachment point,
which is essential if you are making a long voyage or night passage.

The Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport Inflatable PFDs are available in (3)
colors: Red, Blue and Navy.

Hurry! This offer is limited to stock on hand, so get yours while
supplies last!

Check out all the details and get the AC code at the link below.

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Manual Activation:
$34.99. (Special Buy Price: $74.99, Regularly: $119.99, List: $149.99)

Crewsaver Crewfit 35 Sport USCG Inflatable PFD Automatic Activation:
$39.99 (Special Buy Price: $79.99, Regularly: $131.99, List: $165.99)

Special ends: November 7, 2017 at 11:59 PM ET

Get the special price and learn more at:
http://www.defender.com/activecaptain.jsp

Wow, you will not find a great price like anywhere. Ensure your crew is
safe, you can't afford not to. But hurry supplies are limited.

-- 
Joel
301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Michael Brown]

If you have the Hammar MA1 UL auto-inflator on your PDF it has a
water sensitive bobbin similar to the non-HIT models.

http://www.cmhammar.com/products/lifejacket-inflators/ma1-ul/

The HIT technology places the bobbin in a chamber behind a small
spring loaded flap ( Unique hydrostatic valve that protects the water
sensitive element. )

Michael Brown
Windburn
CC 30-1



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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 12:44:35 -0800 
From: Paul Baker pauljba...@shaw.ca 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest 
Message-ID: 52bf3833.8060...@shaw.ca 
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I have a pair of Mustang HIT auto-inflators (these do not use those  
paper tablets to trigger the inflation so should be far more reliable,  
they have a 5 year service cycle on the inflator mechanism, the standard  
ones are at most 2 years), and recently for some more offshore type  
racing I have also got a Spinlock deckvest (again not the paper trigger  
type) with integrated harness, leg straps and a matching Spinlock tether. 
Both types are comfortable and I always wear them when outside of the  
cockpit (or at all times when singlehanding). 
Remember with any inflatable vest, it only counts as a PFD when actually  
worn, if the CG come checking then having it hanging below means it is  
worthless.  If you are the sort that likes to sail in nice weather  
without any sort of PFD being worn, make sure you have a non-inflatable  
onboard for each person as well. 
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Don Siddall]

When racing a number of years ago I pulled in a few people from another 
boat. Despite a young strong experienced crew it was a learning 
experience. So for me the rule now is don't leave the boat. When out 
with just my wife I feel comfortable only when I am firmly clipped in. 
The tether on my inflatable, for me, is more important than the flotation.


Don

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[Andrew Burton]

That's exactly the attitude, Don. If you go over the side, you are mostly 
likely going to have to pop off the tether on your harness to avoid drowning 
while being dragged through the water. I always thing of my harness and tether 
as a device to keep me on the boat at sea. I avoid going up the leeward side 
and clipping in on the leeward side. I try to work with my tether stretched 
uphill as much as possible.
Here might be the time for a few comments about snap hooks. I have removed to 
preventer that stops it opening easily on mine. I have tried many different 
carabiners over the years and found opening the ORC approved hooks to almost 
always require two hands to open. Pair that with numb fingers and heavy gloves 
and you've got a problem. 

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Dec 29, 2013, at 9:39, Don Siddall siddal...@gmail.com wrote:

 When racing a number of years ago I pulled in a few people from another boat. 
 Despite a young strong experienced crew it was a learning experience. So 
 for me the rule now is don't leave the boat. When out with just my wife I 
 feel comfortable only when I am firmly clipped in. The tether on my 
 inflatable, for me, is more important than the flotation.
 
 Don
 
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest - tethers

[Russ Melody]

Hi Andy,

I agree with you, good points.

I made my tether with a locked Brummel eye on each end, using 
Amsteel. An approved carbiner on the deck end and a regular snap 
shackle ring hitched on my end. I use the ring hitch so there is a 
short length to the other eye. This way I have a regular tether 
length for moving about and most work. If I'm too close to the 
leeward side and have work to do then I loop around the strong point 
(jackline, shroud, etc.) and take the carbiner back to my loop. In 
this way I have a shorten tether but retain a one-handed quick release.


I also recommend that everyone soak their hand in ice water for a few 
minutes and then try to get out and open your riggin' knife, 
one-handed (while holding your breath maybe too).


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

I hope our ship comes in before the dock rots.


At 08:00 AM 29/12/2013, you wrote:

... I try to work with my tether stretched uphill as much as possible.
Here might be the time for a few comments about snap hooks. I have 
removed to preventer that stops it opening easily on mine. I have 
tried many different carabiners over the years and found opening the 
ORC approved hooks to almost always require two hands to open. Pair 
that with numb fingers and heavy gloves and you've got a problem.


Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Wally Bryant]

Right.  I have four good hard points in the cockpit.  Big padeyes with 
backing plates, that you can snap onto without thinking.  Some people 
laughed at me for installing them.  I use them often enough to be glad.  
As a single hander, I figure if I go overboard I'm pretty much dead.



You wrote:

That's exactly the attitude, Don. If you go over the side, you are mostly 
likely going to have to pop off the tether on your harness to avoid drowning 
while being dragged through the water.



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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[j...@svpaws.net]

I always wear a vest - it's one of the few good habits I have.  For coastal 
during the day, I wouldn't worry about the harness as they just add bulk.  Find 
the lightest certified vest you can -  the cheaper ones are frequently lighter. 
 It won't keep you on board, will provide some flotation until someone 
(hopefully) picks you up and sets a good example for younger folk.

John


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 On Dec 28, 2013, at 12:05 AM, M Bod drbod...@accesswave.ca wrote:
 
 Apparently I've got a few $ coming for Xmas gift to address (a small bit of) 
 my new boat needs. 
 I thought it would be prudent to get a couple of comfortable inflatable life 
 vests. 
 Given my sailing over the last 2 yrs has all been in the Halifax harbor and 
 never in inclement weather, I've never felt a need to wear a vest. 
 I'm hoping to stretch a little further with the new boat, and therefore the 
 thinking that a life vest might be useful. 
 Given I've never worn one I'm a complete newb!
 Any suggestions?
 Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I don't do a 
 lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 kids on the boat who 
 would be extremely hard pressed to come back for me if I was bobbing in the 
 water off the stern!
 
 What about automatic vs manual? 
 Preferred brand?
 
 I'm guessing you get what you pay for, and I realize that an uncomfortable 
 vest is unlikely to get worn, and therefore be worthless, but I'm also not 
 expecting to head out into heavy conditions. I could just go with my current 
 PFD if things turn a bit hairy. 
 But seems my mom likes the idea of keeping my head above water! So what do 
 you pick? between a $100 Mustang vest, a $130 PLASTIMO inflatable 
 vest/harness or a $2-400 Mustang/Spinlock vest/harness.
 
 Not planning to spend $400 - more the $100-150 range.
 
 Last - are the auto inflators easily maintained? Or am I buying $35-65 kits 
 every yr to keep vest functional?
 
 Thanks in advance for the advice.
 
 Mark
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Russ Melody]

Hi Mark,
Considering your situation 4 kids on the boat  you absolutely need 
a harness  crotch strap and some kind of rigging already handy. You 
can talk the kids through a recovery but there is no way they will 
get you aboard in time (before hypothermia) if you don't have all the 
pieces in place.


The harness can be separate in which case you can go with the 
inexpensive manual inflate vest. Bear in mind that many auto-inflates 
won't, when you need them (unless they are prudently checked). I say 
this because the racing skipper came back from a 'Safety at Sea 
course just before a Southern Straits Race and declared many BRDs did 
inflate when they jumped into the pool because the CO2 cylinder had 
loosened off.

We all checked ours and 3 of the 10 crew had loose cylinders (mine included).

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

P.S. BRD = body recovery device, for the cinics



At 09:05 PM 27/12/2013, you wrote:


Any suggestions?
Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I 
don't do a lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 
kids on the boat who would be extremely hard pressed to come back 
for me if I was bobbing in the water off the stern!


What about automatic vs manual?
Preferred brand?

Thanks in advance for the advice.

Mark
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Russ Melody]

Correction:
many BRDs did inflate NOT when they jumped into the pool

The harness can be separate in which case you can go with the 
inexpensive manual inflate vest. Bear in mind that many 
auto-inflates won't, when you need them (unless they are prudently 
checked). I say this because the racing skipper came back from a 
'Safety at Sea course just before a Southern Straits Race and 
declared many BRDs did inflate when they jumped into the pool 
because the CO2 cylinder had loosened off.



We all checked ours and 3 of the 10 crew had loose cylinders (mine included).
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Rick Brass]

The PFDs I have for the Admiral and myself are Sospenders auto inflate
offshore vests with a built in harness. Always worn when single handed at
night or when in heavy weather, sometimes worn when single handing in
daylight depending on the weather.

For guests I have a couple of coastal auto inflate and a couple of manual
inflate PFDs, none with harness. I figure I'll be on the boat to get back to
them and my main concern is keeping them afloat.

I'm pretty sure the regular crew (my 50 pound Walker Hound, Chance) would
take a while to get the boat back to me if I fell over (that is, provided
that my head could even be seen from more than 50 yards away). So I usually
have a tether attached when wearing the PFD. The Spinlock tether is the best
I've yet seen - and I have 6 or 8 tethers from 3 or 4 manufacturers on the
boat.

I guess you need to ask yourself if you ever want to think Boy the boat
sure looks pretty. As you watch the autopilot sail it towards the horizon
and you tread water.

As far as maintenance goes, I replace the bobbins in the auto inflation
mechanism every couple of years, though I think annual replacement is
recommended. Last batch I bought cost a buck or two each, and I keep a small
stash double sealed in plastic bags to keep out the humidity. I also have a
rearming kit (with the CO2 cartridge and a bobbin) or an appropriate CO2
cartridge for each type of PFD on board. Maintenance is no biggy.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC




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Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 12:06 AM
To: CC list
Subject: Stus-List PFD/life vest

Apparently I've got a few $ coming for Xmas gift to address (a small bit of)
my new boat needs. 
I thought it would be prudent to get a couple of comfortable inflatable life
vests. 
Given my sailing over the last 2 yrs has all been in the Halifax harbor and
never in inclement weather, I've never felt a need to wear a vest. 
I'm hoping to stretch a little further with the new boat, and therefore the
thinking that a life vest might be useful. 
Given I've never worn one I'm a complete newb!
Any suggestions?
Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I don't do
a lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 kids on the boat
who would be extremely hard pressed to come back for me if I was bobbing in
the water off the stern!

What about automatic vs manual? 
Preferred brand?

I'm guessing you get what you pay for, and I realize that an uncomfortable
vest is unlikely to get worn, and therefore be worthless, but I'm also not
expecting to head out into heavy conditions. I could just go with my current
PFD if things turn a bit hairy. 
But seems my mom likes the idea of keeping my head above water! So what do
you pick? between a $100 Mustang vest, a $130 PLASTIMO inflatable
vest/harness or a $2-400 Mustang/Spinlock vest/harness.

Not planning to spend $400 - more the $100-150 range.

Last - are the auto inflators easily maintained? Or am I buying $35-65 kits
every yr to keep vest functional?

Thanks in advance for the advice.

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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[j...@svpaws.net]

Really good point in this one - just remarkable how quickly you can loose site 
of a person in the water.

John


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 On Dec 28, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 The PFDs I have for the Admiral and myself are Sospenders auto inflate
 offshore vests with a built in harness. Always worn when single handed at
 night or when in heavy weather, sometimes worn when single handing in
 daylight depending on the weather.
 
 For guests I have a couple of coastal auto inflate and a couple of manual
 inflate PFDs, none with harness. I figure I'll be on the boat to get back to
 them and my main concern is keeping them afloat.
 
 I'm pretty sure the regular crew (my 50 pound Walker Hound, Chance) would
 take a while to get the boat back to me if I fell over (that is, provided
 that my head could even be seen from more than 50 yards away). So I usually
 have a tether attached when wearing the PFD. The Spinlock tether is the best
 I've yet seen - and I have 6 or 8 tethers from 3 or 4 manufacturers on the
 boat.
 
 I guess you need to ask yourself if you ever want to think Boy the boat
 sure looks pretty. As you watch the autopilot sail it towards the horizon
 and you tread water.
 
 As far as maintenance goes, I replace the bobbins in the auto inflation
 mechanism every couple of years, though I think annual replacement is
 recommended. Last batch I bought cost a buck or two each, and I keep a small
 stash double sealed in plastic bags to keep out the humidity. I also have a
 rearming kit (with the CO2 cartridge and a bobbin) or an appropriate CO2
 cartridge for each type of PFD on board. Maintenance is no biggy.
 
 Rick Brass
 Washington, NC
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of M Bod
 Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 12:06 AM
 To: CC list
 Subject: Stus-List PFD/life vest
 
 Apparently I've got a few $ coming for Xmas gift to address (a small bit of)
 my new boat needs. 
 I thought it would be prudent to get a couple of comfortable inflatable life
 vests. 
 Given my sailing over the last 2 yrs has all been in the Halifax harbor and
 never in inclement weather, I've never felt a need to wear a vest. 
 I'm hoping to stretch a little further with the new boat, and therefore the
 thinking that a life vest might be useful. 
 Given I've never worn one I'm a complete newb!
 Any suggestions?
 Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I don't do
 a lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 kids on the boat
 who would be extremely hard pressed to come back for me if I was bobbing in
 the water off the stern!
 
 What about automatic vs manual? 
 Preferred brand?
 
 I'm guessing you get what you pay for, and I realize that an uncomfortable
 vest is unlikely to get worn, and therefore be worthless, but I'm also not
 expecting to head out into heavy conditions. I could just go with my current
 PFD if things turn a bit hairy. 
 But seems my mom likes the idea of keeping my head above water! So what do
 you pick? between a $100 Mustang vest, a $130 PLASTIMO inflatable
 vest/harness or a $2-400 Mustang/Spinlock vest/harness.
 
 Not planning to spend $400 - more the $100-150 range.
 
 Last - are the auto inflators easily maintained? Or am I buying $35-65 kits
 every yr to keep vest functional?
 
 Thanks in advance for the advice.
 
 Mark
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Wally Bryant]

While these days I only wear my SOSpenders with harness (because of the 
temperature) I've also owned a Stormy Seas vest for 15 years. 
http://stormyseas.grundens.com/


It was my vest of choice in Northern California, where I always wore 
shorts but when the breeze kicked up my upper body could get cold fast.  
It's a nice fleece lined warm vest, that cuts the wind very nicely.


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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Paul Baker]

I have a pair of Mustang HIT auto-inflators (these do not use those 
paper tablets to trigger the inflation so should be far more reliable, 
they have a 5 year service cycle on the inflator mechanism, the standard 
ones are at most 2 years), and recently for some more offshore type 
racing I have also got a Spinlock deckvest (again not the paper trigger 
type) with integrated harness, leg straps and a matching Spinlock tether.
Both types are comfortable and I always wear them when outside of the 
cockpit (or at all times when singlehanding).
Remember with any inflatable vest, it only counts as a PFD when actually 
worn, if the CG come checking then having it hanging below means it is 
worthless.  If you are the sort that likes to sail in nice weather 
without any sort of PFD being worn, make sure you have a non-inflatable 
onboard for each person as well.







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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[dwight]

Mark

Around here the water is too cold most of the time to survive very long in
it regardless of what life jacket you might be wearing. You need to stay on
board to survive. Your kids need to stay on board too.  I think a good
harness and tether is your safest bet and you can wear that under any PFD.  

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To: CC list
Subject: Stus-List PFD/life vest

Apparently I've got a few $ coming for Xmas gift to address (a small bit of)
my new boat needs. 
I thought it would be prudent to get a couple of comfortable inflatable life
vests. 
Given my sailing over the last 2 yrs has all been in the Halifax harbor and
never in inclement weather, I've never felt a need to wear a vest. 
I'm hoping to stretch a little further with the new boat, and therefore the
thinking that a life vest might be useful. 
Given I've never worn one I'm a complete newb!
Any suggestions?
Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I don't do
a lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 kids on the boat
who would be extremely hard pressed to come back for me if I was bobbing in
the water off the stern!

What about automatic vs manual? 
Preferred brand?

I'm guessing you get what you pay for, and I realize that an uncomfortable
vest is unlikely to get worn, and therefore be worthless, but I'm also not
expecting to head out into heavy conditions. I could just go with my current
PFD if things turn a bit hairy. 
But seems my mom likes the idea of keeping my head above water! So what do
you pick? between a $100 Mustang vest, a $130 PLASTIMO inflatable
vest/harness or a $2-400 Mustang/Spinlock vest/harness.

Not planning to spend $400 - more the $100-150 range.

Last - are the auto inflators easily maintained? Or am I buying $35-65 kits
every yr to keep vest functional?

Thanks in advance for the advice.

Mark
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Graham Collins]

Hey Mark
Another thing to consider is how deep your ladder goes into the water - 
if there aren't a couple of rungs below the surface you may find it 
impossible to haul yourself out if tired or frozen.
We have a lifesling on the back and a 4:1 tackle ready to go if someone 
needs to be hauled out.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
CC 35-III #11

On 2013-12-28 2:07 PM, Russ  Melody wrote:

Hi Mark,
Considering your situation /4 kids on the boat/ you absolutely need 
a harness  crotch strap and some kind of rigging already handy. You 
can talk the kids through a recovery but there is no way they will get 
you aboard in time (before hypothermia) if you don't have all the 
pieces in place.


The harness can be separate in which case you can go with the 
inexpensive manual inflate vest. Bear in mind that many auto-inflates 
won't, when you need them (unless they are prudently checked). I say 
this because the racing skipper came back from a 'Safety at Sea 
course just before a Southern Straits Race and declared many BRDs did 
inflate when they jumped into the pool because the CO2 cylinder had 
loosened off.
We all checked ours and 3 of the 10 crew had loose cylinders (mine 
included).


Cheers, Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1

P.S. BRD = body recovery device, for the cinics



At 09:05 PM 27/12/2013, you wrote:


Any suggestions?
Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I 
don't do a lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 
kids on the boat who would be extremely hard pressed to come back for 
me if I was bobbing in the water off the stern!


What about automatic vs manual?
Preferred brand?

Thanks in advance for the advice.

Mark
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Stus-List PFD/life vest

[M Bod]

Apparently I've got a few $ coming for Xmas gift to address (a small bit of) my 
new boat needs. 
I thought it would be prudent to get a couple of comfortable inflatable life 
vests. 
Given my sailing over the last 2 yrs has all been in the Halifax harbor and 
never in inclement weather, I've never felt a need to wear a vest. 
I'm hoping to stretch a little further with the new boat, and therefore the 
thinking that a life vest might be useful. 
Given I've never worn one I'm a complete newb!
Any suggestions?
Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I don't do a 
lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 kids on the boat who 
would be extremely hard pressed to come back for me if I was bobbing in the 
water off the stern!

What about automatic vs manual? 
Preferred brand?

I'm guessing you get what you pay for, and I realize that an uncomfortable vest 
is unlikely to get worn, and therefore be worthless, but I'm also not expecting 
to head out into heavy conditions. I could just go with my current PFD if 
things turn a bit hairy. 
But seems my mom likes the idea of keeping my head above water! So what do you 
pick? between a $100 Mustang vest, a $130 PLASTIMO inflatable vest/harness or a 
$2-400 Mustang/Spinlock vest/harness.

Not planning to spend $400 - more the $100-150 range.

Last - are the auto inflators easily maintained? Or am I buying $35-65 kits 
every yr to keep vest functional?

Thanks in advance for the advice.

Mark
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Re: Stus-List PFD/life vest

[Rich Knowles]

Mark: Come to the Binnacle today (Sat) and I'll walk you through the whole 
scenario. 9-5. 

Rich


 On Dec 28, 2013, at 1:05, M Bod drbod...@accesswave.ca wrote:
 
 Apparently I've got a few $ coming for Xmas gift to address (a small bit of) 
 my new boat needs. 
 I thought it would be prudent to get a couple of comfortable inflatable life 
 vests. 
 Given my sailing over the last 2 yrs has all been in the Halifax harbor and 
 never in inclement weather, I've never felt a need to wear a vest. 
 I'm hoping to stretch a little further with the new boat, and therefore the 
 thinking that a life vest might be useful. 
 Given I've never worn one I'm a complete newb!
 Any suggestions?
 Should I bump up to a harness version just to have it if needed? I don't do a 
 lot of solo sailing - but I do a lot of sailing with 4 kids on the boat who 
 would be extremely hard pressed to come back for me if I was bobbing in the 
 water off the stern!
 
 What about automatic vs manual? 
 Preferred brand?
 
 I'm guessing you get what you pay for, and I realize that an uncomfortable 
 vest is unlikely to get worn, and therefore be worthless, but I'm also not 
 expecting to head out into heavy conditions. I could just go with my current 
 PFD if things turn a bit hairy. 
 But seems my mom likes the idea of keeping my head above water! So what do 
 you pick? between a $100 Mustang vest, a $130 PLASTIMO inflatable 
 vest/harness or a $2-400 Mustang/Spinlock vest/harness.
 
 Not planning to spend $400 - more the $100-150 range.
 
 Last - are the auto inflators easily maintained? Or am I buying $35-65 kits 
 every yr to keep vest functional?
 
 Thanks in advance for the advice.
 
 Mark
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