Stus-List Paragon transmission

[Peter Schuitemaker via CnC-List]

My wife and I were headed to Desolation Sound and the Paragon transmission on 
our Landfall 38 stopped working and luckily no issues and managed to tie up 
again as we were leaving Ganges Marina in Salt Spring Island.

Our home port is Anacortes, WA at Cap Sante Marina and can anyone recommend a 
very good mechanic that can take a look and rebuild our transmission?

Harbor Marine in Everett, Washington works on Paragon but on our model OXKB.

Tomorrow we are getting towed (Boat US) back to Anacortes.

Thanks
Peter


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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission Repair

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

Give the folks at Transmission Marine, Inc in Fort Lauderdale, FL a call.   
These folks specialize in Paragon repairs, rebuilds, and parts.  I have 
purchased  replacement paragon parts from them and found the prices very 
reasonable.I have also called them a few times and had pleasant chats on 
issues from types of transmission oils to basic transmission adjustments and 
rebuilds.The Paragon transmissions are pretty basic so you may be able to 
do the work yourself.

Recall that the LF38 use a combo Paragon transmission with a Walter V-drive.  
Are you sure that it is the Paragon that is leaking?  I was told by the folks 
at TMI to carefully align the prop shaft collar to the v-drive as a 
misalignment will cause undue wear on the V-drive shaft seal resulting in a 
leaking V-drive unit.

Also, below is a link to my write up on adjusting the Paragon. It does not 
discuss leaks but it does have photos of the Paragon internals.

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2016/03/paragon-transmission-slippage.html

-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

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> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 06:59:20 -0700
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> To: "List Stus" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
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> The Paragon transmission in my C 38LF is leaking about 1/2 pint of oil in 
> four running hours.
> Doesn?t leak when not running.
> Does anyone know of a repair facility that works on the old Paragon 
> transmissions?
> The data plate on the transmission indicates: 9844 SAOD Z-7970.
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank Noragon
> S/V: Cool Change
> C 38LF, s/n: 001
> Rose City Yacht Club
> Portland, Oregon

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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission Repair

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Harbor marine in Everett wa  has a guy there that is an expert on the old 
paragon. (425) 259-3285 Not a lot to those old transmission as far as seals go. 
Can you see where it leaks at? Might just need a new shaft seal. The vee drive 
unit pops right off after removing a few bolts. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus Lf38 Significant 
Other LF39 
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Transmission Repair 



The Paragon 
transmission in my C 38LF is leaking about 1/2 pint of oil in four running 
hours.
Doesn’t leak 
when not running.
Does anyone 
know of a repair facility that works on the old Paragon transmissions?
The data 
plate on the transmission indicates: 9844 SAOD Z-7970.
Thanks,

Frank 
Noragon
S/V: Cool Change
C 38LF, s/n: 001
Rose City Yacht 
Club
Portland, Oregon

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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission Repair

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Frank:

Call Norm Gustafson (c) (360) 823-6357.  If he can't do it, he may know
someone who can.

Alan

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> The Paragon transmission in my C 38LF is leaking about 1/2 pint of oil
> in four running hours.
> Doesn’t leak when not running.
> Does anyone know of a repair facility that works on the old Paragon
> transmissions?
> The data plate on the transmission indicates: 9844 SAOD Z-7970.
> Thanks,
>
> Frank Noragon
> S/V: Cool Change
> C 38LF, s/n: 001
> Rose City Yacht Club
> Portland, Oregon
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Stus-List Paragon Transmission Repair

[Frank via CnC-List]

The Paragon transmission in my C 38LF is leaking about 1/2 pint of oil in 
four running hours.
Doesn’t leak when not running.
Does anyone know of a repair facility that works on the old Paragon 
transmissions?
The data plate on the transmission indicates: 9844 SAOD Z-7970.
Thanks,

Frank Noragon
S/V: Cool Change
C 38LF, s/n: 001
Rose City Yacht Club
Portland, Oregon

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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[N7FN--- via CnC-List]

If all else fails, connect everything back up, loosen bolts holding 
transmission to engine, run engine, put in gear, pray.
Perhaps there will be enough play between the engine and transmission to break 
the seal.
Many years ago I used a similar process to remove stuck cylinder heads.  
I wasn’t trying to remove my transmission when I had a serious vibration.  
Found all of the bolts holding the transmission to the engine were very loose.
Good luck.

Frank
S/V Cool Change
C 38LF, SN: 001
Rose City YC
Portland, Oregon


From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 06:43
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Brian Davis 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from 
their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The 
Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the trans 
that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come right out", 
but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years ago by the PO 
and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I wouldn't think its 
corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look that way.  Maybe they 
used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need since it's a dry fit.  I've 
tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the front and rear of 
itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like to think I'm a pretty 
strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy 2 mornings in a row 
nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody has used with success?

Regards,
Brian

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Davis <brianwdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Thank you, Doug.  I appreciate the support and advice.  I successfully 
removed the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while listening to 
the relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through.  Lol.  I also got the 
bolts off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not budging.  It was 
late so I decided to pause for the day and resume after work today again.  It 
is heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO saved.  I'm canceling my 
gym membership after carrying it to and from my storage unit to the boat. I'm 
thinking the gasket is probably sticking and she needs some encouragement of 
sorts, but I don't want to start hammering on it and have it come out and land 
on the shaft.  So, I'm not sure of the best approach to next steps...  Also, 
I'm not totally sure what you mean by "In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft."  The Vdrive pulled 
right off after disconnecting the cooling hoses...  

  Thanks again for the input.  She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying 
finishing up the restoration that the PO started.

  Regards,

  Brian 

  On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I 
was told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to hold it 
in reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull the V-drive 
first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next remove the 
transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great boat. 



Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38 1979

just west of Ballard, WA. 





-- Original message--

From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 

Date: Tue, May 3, 2016 11:53

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;

Cc: Brian Davis;

    Subject:Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission



https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0

Here is a picture of the break..

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

  Dear Members,

  I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging 
to the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.  "Nina" 
was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years before I 
bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to North Palm 
Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.  The halyards are in 
desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored the whole way...plus the 
diesel needed a good running after so long anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, 
but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired right up and purred like a tiger the 
whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel for sure!!

  The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete 
rebuild of the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he replaced as 
well and he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand new from 
1980...believe it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse gear engaging 
and wondering if it's me or the trans.  When I

Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Brian,

Another benefit of replacing the drive plate is that the springs that absorb 
shock between the engine and tranny can wear their surrounding metal carrier on 
the plate or break altogether, and if the spring has too much room to move 
around, it won’t cushion the shock of engagement when you put the engine into 
gear.  That can cause broken teeth in the transmission or worse.

Best to do it while the whole shebang is out of the boat…

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 LF 35

Padanaram, MA

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Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 2:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: svpegasu...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

 

Brian, while I have not had to remove my transmission. It may be rusted to the 
drive plate which is bolted to the flywheel. Support the transmission and pry 
back on the transmission. Try to put equal pressure on both sides. As long as 
you have the transmission out I would recommend replacing the drive plate. Lube 
the splines well. 

There should be like a 6 inch adapter between the transmission and the v-drive 
unit which will slide on to splines of both units. This should be a double 
u-joint. At least it is on Pegasus. Can't imagine yours is different. Email me 
directly if you want. 

svpegasu...@gmail.com <mailto:svpegasu...@gmail.com> 

 

Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38 

just west of Ballard, WA. 

 

 

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From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 

Date: Thu, May 5, 2016 06:44

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ;

Cc: Brian Davis;

Subject:Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

 

Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from 
their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The 
Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the trans 
that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come right out", 
but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years ago by the PO 
and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I wouldn't think its 
corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look that way.  Maybe they 
used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need since it's a dry fit.  I've 
tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the front and rear of 
itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like to think I'm a pretty 
strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy 2 mornings in a row 
nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody has used with success?

 

Regards,

Brian

 

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Davis <brianwdavis...@gmail.com 
<mailto:brianwdavis...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thank you, Doug.  I appreciate the support and advice.  I successfully removed 
the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while listening to the 
relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through.  Lol.  I also got the bolts 
off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not budging.  It was late 
so I decided to pause for the day and resume after work today again.  It is 
heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO saved.  I'm canceling my gym 
membership after carrying it to and from my storage unit to the boat. I'm 
thinking the gasket is probably sticking and she needs some encouragement of 
sorts, but I don't want to start hammering on it and have it come out and land 
on the shaft.  So, I'm not sure of the best approach to next steps...  Also, 
I'm not totally sure what you mean by "In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft."  The Vdrive pulled 
right off after disconnecting the cooling hoses...  

 

Thanks again for the input.  She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying finishing 
up the restoration that the PO started.

 

Regards,

 

Brian 

 

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com 
<mailto:svpegasu...@gmail.com>  <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I was 
told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to hold it in 
reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull the V-drive 
first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next remove the 
transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great boat. 

 

Doug Mountjoy

svPegasus

LF38 1979

just west of Ballard, WA. 

 

 

-- Original message--

From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 

Date: Tue, May 3, 2016 11:53

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ;

Cc: Brian Davis;

Subject:Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0

 

Here is a picture of the break..

 

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2

Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[svpegasus38]

Brian, while I have not had to remove my transmission. It may be rusted to 
the drive plate which is bolted to the flywheel. Support the transmission and 
pry back on the transmission. Try to put equal pressure on both sides. As long 
as you have the transmission out I would recommend replacing the drive plate. 
Lube the splines well. There should be like a 6 inch adapter between the 
transmission and the v-drive unit which will slide on to splines of both units. 
This should be a double u-joint. At least it is on Pegasus. Can't imagine yours 
is different. Email me directly if you want. svpegasu...@gmail.com
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Brian Davis via CnC-List Date: Thu, May 5, 
2016 06:44To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Brian Davis;Subject:Re: Stus-List 
Paragon Transmission
Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from 
their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The 
Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the trans 
that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come right out", 
but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years ago by the PO 
and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I wouldn't think its 
corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look that way.  Maybe they 
used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need since it's a dry fit.  I've 
tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the front and rear of 
itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like to think I'm a pretty 
strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy 2 mornings in a row 
nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody has used with success?
Regards,Brian
On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Davis <brianwdavis...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Doug.  I appreciate the support and advice.  I successfully removed 
the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while listening to the 
relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through.  Lol.  I also got the bolts 
off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not budging.  It was late 
so I decided to pause for the day and resume after work today again.  It is 
heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO saved.  I'm canceling my gym 
membership after carrying it to and from my storage unit to the boat. I'm 
thinking the gasket is probably sticking and she needs some encouragement of 
sorts, but I don't want to start hammering on it and have it come out and land 
on the shaft.  So, I'm not sure of the best approach to next steps...  Also, 
I'm not totally sure what you mean by "In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft."  The Vdrive pulled 
right off after disconnecting the cooling hoses...  
Thanks again for the input.  She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying finishing 
up the restoration that the PO started.
Regards, Brian 
On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:
Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I 
was told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to hold it 
in reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull the V-drive 
first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next remove the 
transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great boat. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 1979just west of Ballard, WA.

-- Original message--From: Brian Davis via CnC-List Date: Tue, May 3, 
2016 11:53To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Brian Davis;Subject:Re: Stus-List 
Paragon Transmission
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0
Here is a picture of the break..
On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging to 
the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.  "Nina" 
was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years before I 
bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to North Palm 
Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.  The halyards are in 
desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored the whole way...plus the 
diesel needed a good running after so long anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, 
but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired right up and purred like a tiger the 
whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel for sure!!
The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete rebuild of 
the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he replaced as well and 
he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand new from 1980...believe 
it our not.  I'm having an is

Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission - Reverse

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

No, not sure what a folding prop is.  It's a vdrive and the Paragon trans
has a friction brake clamp to engage the reverse when shifted.  I didn't
know that you had to hold the gear shifter firmly into reverse after
shifting...hence the slipping.  I learned this after trying to adjust the
brake clamp via the instructions that came with the boat from the PO.
That's when the clamp itself cracked and broke.  I have the original trans
and can swap out the part.  Just can't get the tranny pulled from the
engine... I should have never tried to tighten it and investigated more
about the nature of this type of tranny.  Ugh...live and learn.  At least
I'm at the marina when this all happened.

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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Brian
>
>
>
> I think earlier you mentioned that you have a folding prop.  Reverse with
> a Martec Folding prop takes a lot longer to bite than does a fixed or even
> geared prop.  I wonder if maybe that was your “slipping” in reverse?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Not in Florida
>
>
>
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> Davis via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:26 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Brian Davis
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission
>
>
>
> Yikes!!  Yes, that is similar to mine recently...my reverse was slipping
> and as I came into a marina (slowly)... reverse had no effect and we almost
> kissed a $1 million yacht.  I thought that owner was going to have a heart
> attack like I almost did.  I kneeled down and kissed the dock once we tied
> up at the slip.
>
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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Yikes!!  Yes, that is similar to mine recently...my reverse was slipping
and as I came into a marina (slowly)... reverse had no effect and we almost
kissed a $1 million yacht.  I thought that owner was going to have a heart
attack like I almost did.  I kneeled down and kissed the dock once we tied
up at the slip.


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Brian — you’re far more adventurous than I am… I stick to electron-based
> stuff when I can…   :^)
>
> Sorry, I don’t have any advice for you — but if I see our crack mechanic
> for the area this weekend when up at the boat, I’ll ask him.  My worst
> transmission experience came a few years back when I went in and adjusted
> the forward ear detent before taking some friends and their kids out for a
> sail; the locking bolt was still loose, and when I backed out of the slip,
> the bolt backed out and the transmission basically unscrewed its innards
> and stuck in neutral.  So I got to shut the engine down and steer/drift to
> the nearest dock, where we disembarked our guests with apologies…   :^(
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On May 5, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Brian Davis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from
> their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The
> Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the
> trans that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come
> right out", but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years
> ago by the PO and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I
> wouldn't think its corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look
> that way.  Maybe they used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need
> since it's a dry fit.  I've tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the
> front and rear of itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like
> to think I'm a pretty strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy
> 2 mornings in a row nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody
> has used with success?
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>
>
>
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> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Brian — you’re far more adventurous than I am… I stick to electron-based stuff 
when I can…   :^)

Sorry, I don’t have any advice for you — but if I see our crack mechanic for 
the area this weekend when up at the boat, I’ll ask him.  My worst transmission 
experience came a few years back when I went in and adjusted the forward ear 
detent before taking some friends and their kids out for a sail; the locking 
bolt was still loose, and when I backed out of the slip, the bolt backed out 
and the transmission basically unscrewed its innards and stuck in neutral.  So 
I got to shut the engine down and steer/drift to the nearest dock, where we 
disembarked our guests with apologies…   :^(

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On May 5, 2016, at 8:43 AM, Brian Davis via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from 
> their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The 
> Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the trans 
> that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come right 
> out", but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years ago by 
> the PO and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I wouldn't 
> think its corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look that way.  
> Maybe they used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need since it's a dry 
> fit.  I've tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the front and rear of 
> itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like to think I'm a 
> pretty strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy 2 mornings in a 
> row nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody has used with 
> success?
> 
> Regards,
> Brian

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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Just curious if anyone else has had trouble removing the transmission from
their boat? My LF 38 has a Paragon Vdrive connected to a Yanmar 30hp.  The
Vdrive came off without issue and I got the bolts completely out of the
trans that go into the bell housing.  I've been told that it should "come
right out", but I can even get it to budge.  It was newly installed 3 years
ago by the PO and has been way inland in dry dock until a month ago.  So I
wouldn't think its corroded that badly if at all...at least it doesn't look
that way.  Maybe they used a sealant...which I was told it doesn't need
since it's a dry fit.  I've tried a mallet and piece of wood to smack the
front and rear of itnothing...smacked it pretty darn good too.  I like
to think I'm a pretty strong and young guy...and I ate my biscuits n gravy
2 mornings in a row nowstill nothing.  Any tips or tricks that anybody
has used with success?

Regards,
Brian

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Brian Davis <brianwdavis...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you, Doug.  I appreciate the support and advice.  I successfully
> removed the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while
> listening to the relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through.  Lol.  I
> also got the bolts off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not
> budging.  It was late so I decided to pause for the day and resume after
> work today again.  It is heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO
> saved.  I'm canceling my gym membership after carrying it to and from my
> storage unit to the boat. I'm thinking the gasket is probably sticking and
> she needs some encouragement of sorts, but I don't want to start hammering
> on it and have it come out and land on the shaft.  So, I'm not sure of the
> best approach to next steps...  Also, I'm not totally sure what you mean by
> "In the curved adapter is a universal joint that is splined to the
> transmission output shaft."  The Vdrive pulled right off after
> disconnecting the cooling hoses...
>
> Thanks again for the input.  She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying
> finishing up the restoration that the PO started.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I
>> was told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to
>> hold it in reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull
>> the V-drive first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter
>> is a universal joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next
>> remove the transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great
>> boat.
>>
>>
>> Doug Mountjoy
>>
>> svPegasus
>>
>> LF38 1979
>>
>> just west of Ballard, WA.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original message--
>>
>> *From: *Brian Davis via CnC-List
>>
>> *Date: *Tue, May 3, 2016 11:53
>>
>> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com;
>>
>> *Cc: *Brian Davis;
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission
>>
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0
>>
>> Here is a picture of the break..
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Members,
>>>
>>> I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading
>>> belonging to the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of
>>> months ago.  "Nina" was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for
>>> nearly 3 years before I bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and
>>> motored her down to North Palm Beach pending the availability of our slip
>>> further south.  The halyards are in desperate need of replacing, which is
>>> why we motored the whole way...plus the diesel needed a good running after
>>> so long anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, but had stabilizer.  Amazingly,
>>> she fired right up and purred like a tiger the whole way...  She's a
>>> beautiful vessel for sure!!
>>>
>>> The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete
>>> rebuild of the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he
>>> replaced as well and he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand
>>> new from 1980...believe it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse
>>> gear engaging and wondering if it's me or the trans.  When I carefully
>>> shift her into Reverse she does seem to fully engage or stay in gear.  I'm
>>> getting 

Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Thank you, Doug.  I appreciate the support and advice.  I successfully
removed the vdrive late last night without to much trouble...while
listening to the relaxing sounds of the storm that passed through.  Lol.  I
also got the bolts off the trans that connect to the yanmar, but she's not
budging.  It was late so I decided to pause for the day and resume after
work today again.  It is heavy indeed since I still have the old one the PO
saved.  I'm canceling my gym membership after carrying it to and from my
storage unit to the boat. I'm thinking the gasket is probably sticking and
she needs some encouragement of sorts, but I don't want to start hammering
on it and have it come out and land on the shaft.  So, I'm not sure of the
best approach to next steps...  Also, I'm not totally sure what you mean by
"In the curved adapter is a universal joint that is splined to the
transmission output shaft."  The Vdrive pulled right off after
disconnecting the cooling hoses...

Thanks again for the input.  She's a beautiful boat and I'm enjoying
finishing up the restoration that the PO started.

Regards,

Brian

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:50 PM, svpegasu...@gmail.com <cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> wrote:

> Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I
> was told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to
> hold it in reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull
> the V-drive first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter
> is a universal joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next
> remove the transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great
> boat.
>
>
> Doug Mountjoy
>
> svPegasus
>
> LF38 1979
>
> just west of Ballard, WA.
>
>
>
> -- Original message--
>
> *From: *Brian Davis via CnC-List
>
> *Date: *Tue, May 3, 2016 11:53
>
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com;
>
> *Cc: *Brian Davis;
>
> *Subject:*Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0
>
> Here is a picture of the break..
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Members,
>>
>> I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging
>> to the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.
>> "Nina" was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years
>> before I bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to
>> North Palm Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.
>> The halyards are in desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored
>> the whole way...plus the diesel needed a good running after so long
>> anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired
>> right up and purred like a tiger the whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel
>> for sure!!
>>
>> The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete
>> rebuild of the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he
>> replaced as well and he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand
>> new from 1980...believe it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse
>> gear engaging and wondering if it's me or the trans.  When I carefully
>> shift her into Reverse she does seem to fully engage or stay in gear.  I'm
>> getting mixed feedback and hoping that somebody with the same set up can
>> clarify.  The shifter is on the wheel column while the throttle is on the
>> side of the cockpit.  Should I have to continuously hold the shifter down
>> in reverse to keep it engaged??  Forward works great and there is a
>> positive lock or click once I engage the shifter up into gear.  However,
>> once back off on the throttle, move it to neutral, then into reverse, and
>> then giver her juice it doesn't seem to either slow the boat or move into
>> reverse.
>>
>> To make matters worse, I was reading the Paragon instruction sheet that I
>> received from the PO and I attempted to "adjust" it as directed.  I made
>> about a 1/2  to 3/4 turn (not torqueing by any means) and it cracked.
>> After several inappropriate words to myself, I was able to contact a local
>> trans shop and they said it must be removed and brought in and completely
>> taken apart in order to replace the part.  I happen to have the original
>> trans so I hope I can pull that piece and reuse it...otherwise they said it
>> could take months to get a replacement piece.
>>
>> After a conversation with the PO he sent me the number of the place in
>> Michigan where he bought it.  I spoke with them and sent 

Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[svpegasus38]

Hi Brian, and welcome. I have the Paragon trans and V-drive in Pegasus. I 
was told by a marine mechanic (that repaired paragons) that you have to hold it 
in reverse. There is no detent. As for removing it yourself. Pull the V-drive 
first, remove it from the transmission. In the curved adapter is a universal 
joint that is splined to the transmission output shaft. Next remove the 
transmission. Carefull it is heavy. Good luck. You have a great boat. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 1979just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Brian Davis via CnC-List Date: Tue, May 3, 
2016 11:53To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Brian Davis;Subject:Re: Stus-List 
Paragon Transmission
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0
Here is a picture of the break..
On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Dear Members,
I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging to 
the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.  "Nina" 
was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years before I 
bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to North Palm 
Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.  The halyards are in 
desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored the whole way...plus the 
diesel needed a good running after so long anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, 
but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired right up and purred like a tiger the 
whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel for sure!!
The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete rebuild of 
the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he replaced as well and 
he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand new from 1980...believe 
it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse gear engaging and wondering 
if it's me or the trans.  When I carefully shift her into Reverse she does seem 
to fully engage or stay in gear.  I'm getting mixed feedback and hoping that 
somebody with the same set up can clarify.  The shifter is on the wheel column 
while the throttle is on the side of the cockpit.  Should I have to 
continuously hold the shifter down in reverse to keep it engaged??  Forward 
works great and there is a positive lock or click once I engage the shifter up 
into gear.  However, once back off on the throttle, move it to neutral, then 
into reverse, and then giver her juice it doesn't seem to either slow the boat 
or move into reverse. 
To make matters worse, I was reading the Paragon instruction sheet that I 
received from the PO and I attempted to "adjust" it as directed.  I made about 
a 1/2  to 3/4 turn (not torqueing by any means) and it cracked.  After several 
inappropriate words to myself, I was able to contact a local trans shop and 
they said it must be removed and brought in and completely taken apart in order 
to replace the part.  I happen to have the original trans so I hope I can pull 
that piece and reuse it...otherwise they said it could take months to get a 
replacement piece.
After a conversation with the PO he sent me the number of the place in Michigan 
where he bought it.  I spoke with them and sent the picswaiting to hear 
back from them on advice.  In the meantime I wanted to reach out to my fellow 
C owners for advice.  I'm very handy and am considering pulling the trans and 
replacing it myself.  Suggestions are welcome!  But, I'm still curious as to 
why the reverse wasn't engaging  thoughts?
Kind regards,Brian Davis..dead in the water, but at least at a marina in sunny 
FL..
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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Thank you, Rick.  I'll investigate the cable length.  I appreciate the
shared experience.

Regards,
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On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I haven’t had a Paragon transmission since a Newport 28 with an A4. But on
> that boat you had to hold the lever in reverse, there was no detent.
>
>
>
> My 38 originally had an A4 and Paragon, but was converted to diesel with a
> Hurth transmission about 15 years ago. I do know, from some previous
> repairs, that the Paragon transmission used a specific shift cable because
> of the longer wire length and travel distance needed for the Paragon shift
> linkage. Is it possible that PO used an incorrect cable? Or is it the fat
> cable used with a Paragon?
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian
> Davis via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 03, 2016 2:33 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Brian Davis <brianwdavis...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Stus-List Paragon Transmission
>
>
>
> Dear Members,
>
>
>
> I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging
> to the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.
> "Nina" was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years
> before I bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to
> North Palm Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.
> The halyards are in desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored
> the whole way...plus the diesel needed a good running after so long
> anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired
> right up and purred like a tiger the whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel
> for sure!!
>
>
>
> The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete
> rebuild of the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he
> replaced as well and he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand
> new from 1980...believe it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse
> gear engaging and wondering if it's me or the trans.  When I carefully
> shift her into Reverse she does seem to fully engage or stay in gear.  I'm
> getting mixed feedback and hoping that somebody with the same set up can
> clarify.  The shifter is on the wheel column while the throttle is on the
> side of the cockpit.  Should I have to continuously hold the shifter down
> in reverse to keep it engaged??  Forward works great and there is a
> positive lock or click once I engage the shifter up into gear.  However,
> once back off on the throttle, move it to neutral, then into reverse, and
> then giver her juice it doesn't seem to either slow the boat or move into
> reverse.
>
>
>
> To make matters worse, I was reading the Paragon instruction sheet that I
> received from the PO and I attempted to "adjust" it as directed.  I made
> about a 1/2  to 3/4 turn (not torqueing by any means) and it cracked.
> After several inappropriate words to myself, I was able to contact a local
> trans shop and they said it must be removed and brought in and completely
> taken apart in order to replace the part.  I happen to have the original
> trans so I hope I can pull that piece and reuse it...otherwise they said it
> could take months to get a replacement piece.
>
>
>
> After a conversation with the PO he sent me the number of the place in
> Michigan where he bought it.  I spoke with them and sent the
> picswaiting to hear back from them on advice.  In the meantime I wanted
> to reach out to my fellow C owners for advice.  I'm very handy and am
> considering pulling the trans and replacing it myself.  Suggestions are
> welcome!  But, I'm still curious as to why the reverse wasn't engaging
> thoughts?
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Brian Davis
>
> ..dead in the water, but at least at a marina in sunny FL..
>
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Re: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I haven’t had a Paragon transmission since a Newport 28 with an A4. But on that 
boat you had to hold the lever in reverse, there was no detent.

 

My 38 originally had an A4 and Paragon, but was converted to diesel with a 
Hurth transmission about 15 years ago. I do know, from some previous repairs, 
that the Paragon transmission used a specific shift cable because of the longer 
wire length and travel distance needed for the Paragon shift linkage. Is it 
possible that PO used an incorrect cable? Or is it the fat cable used with a 
Paragon?

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brian Davis 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 2:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Brian Davis <brianwdavis...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Paragon Transmission

 

Dear Members,

 

I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging to 
the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.  "Nina" 
was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years before I 
bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to North Palm 
Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.  The halyards are in 
desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored the whole way...plus the 
diesel needed a good running after so long anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, 
but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired right up and purred like a tiger the 
whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel for sure!!

 

The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete rebuild of 
the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he replaced as well and 
he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand new from 1980...believe 
it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse gear engaging and wondering 
if it's me or the trans.  When I carefully shift her into Reverse she does seem 
to fully engage or stay in gear.  I'm getting mixed feedback and hoping that 
somebody with the same set up can clarify.  The shifter is on the wheel column 
while the throttle is on the side of the cockpit.  Should I have to 
continuously hold the shifter down in reverse to keep it engaged??  Forward 
works great and there is a positive lock or click once I engage the shifter up 
into gear.  However, once back off on the throttle, move it to neutral, then 
into reverse, and then giver her juice it doesn't seem to either slow the boat 
or move into reverse. 

 

To make matters worse, I was reading the Paragon instruction sheet that I 
received from the PO and I attempted to "adjust" it as directed.  I made about 
a 1/2  to 3/4 turn (not torqueing by any means) and it cracked.  After several 
inappropriate words to myself, I was able to contact a local trans shop and 
they said it must be removed and brought in and completely taken apart in order 
to replace the part.  I happen to have the original trans so I hope I can pull 
that piece and reuse it...otherwise they said it could take months to get a 
replacement piece.

 

After a conversation with the PO he sent me the number of the place in Michigan 
where he bought it.  I spoke with them and sent the picswaiting to hear 
back from them on advice.  In the meantime I wanted to reach out to my fellow 
C owners for advice.  I'm very handy and am considering pulling the trans and 
replacing it myself.  Suggestions are welcome!  But, I'm still curious as to 
why the reverse wasn't engaging  thoughts?

 

Kind regards,

Brian Davis

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzo7ugqxmzlhv9w/paragon.pdf?dl=0

Here is a picture of the break..

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dear Members,
>
> I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging
> to the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.
> "Nina" was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years
> before I bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to
> North Palm Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.
> The halyards are in desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored
> the whole way...plus the diesel needed a good running after so long
> anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired
> right up and purred like a tiger the whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel
> for sure!!
>
> The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete
> rebuild of the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he
> replaced as well and he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand
> new from 1980...believe it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse
> gear engaging and wondering if it's me or the trans.  When I carefully
> shift her into Reverse she does seem to fully engage or stay in gear.  I'm
> getting mixed feedback and hoping that somebody with the same set up can
> clarify.  The shifter is on the wheel column while the throttle is on the
> side of the cockpit.  Should I have to continuously hold the shifter down
> in reverse to keep it engaged??  Forward works great and there is a
> positive lock or click once I engage the shifter up into gear.  However,
> once back off on the throttle, move it to neutral, then into reverse, and
> then giver her juice it doesn't seem to either slow the boat or move into
> reverse.
>
> To make matters worse, I was reading the Paragon instruction sheet that I
> received from the PO and I attempted to "adjust" it as directed.  I made
> about a 1/2  to 3/4 turn (not torqueing by any means) and it cracked.
> After several inappropriate words to myself, I was able to contact a local
> trans shop and they said it must be removed and brought in and completely
> taken apart in order to replace the part.  I happen to have the original
> trans so I hope I can pull that piece and reuse it...otherwise they said it
> could take months to get a replacement piece.
>
> After a conversation with the PO he sent me the number of the place in
> Michigan where he bought it.  I spoke with them and sent the
> picswaiting to hear back from them on advice.  In the meantime I wanted
> to reach out to my fellow C owners for advice.  I'm very handy and am
> considering pulling the trans and replacing it myself.  Suggestions are
> welcome!  But, I'm still curious as to why the reverse wasn't engaging
> thoughts?
>
> Kind regards,
> Brian Davis
> ..dead in the water, but at least at a marina in sunny FL..
>
>
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Stus-List Paragon Transmission

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Dear Members,

I'm new to the list, but have found a lot of beneficial reading belonging
to the list.  I purchased a 1980 Landfall 38 SL a couple of months ago.
"Nina" was in dry dock at Indiantown Marina in Florida for nearly 3 years
before I bought her.  We launched her 4 weeks ago and motored her down to
North Palm Beach pending the availability of our slip further south.
The halyards are in desperate need of replacing, which is why we motored
the whole way...plus the diesel needed a good running after so long
anyhow. The fuel was 3 years old, but had stabilizer.  Amazingly, she fired
right up and purred like a tiger the whole way...  She's a beautiful vessel
for sure!!

The PO did a lot of restorations to her one of which was a complete rebuild
of the Yanmar 30hp and Vdrive.  The Paragon transmission he replaced as
well and he happed to find one in Michigan that was still brand new from
1980...believe it our not.  I'm having an issue with the Reverse gear
engaging and wondering if it's me or the trans.  When I carefully shift her
into Reverse she does seem to fully engage or stay in gear.  I'm getting
mixed feedback and hoping that somebody with the same set up can clarify.
The shifter is on the wheel column while the throttle is on the side of the
cockpit.  Should I have to continuously hold the shifter down in reverse to
keep it engaged??  Forward works great and there is a positive lock or
click once I engage the shifter up into gear.  However, once back off on
the throttle, move it to neutral, then into reverse, and then giver her
juice it doesn't seem to either slow the boat or move into reverse.

To make matters worse, I was reading the Paragon instruction sheet that I
received from the PO and I attempted to "adjust" it as directed.  I made
about a 1/2  to 3/4 turn (not torqueing by any means) and it cracked.
After several inappropriate words to myself, I was able to contact a local
trans shop and they said it must be removed and brought in and completely
taken apart in order to replace the part.  I happen to have the original
trans so I hope I can pull that piece and reuse it...otherwise they said it
could take months to get a replacement piece.

After a conversation with the PO he sent me the number of the place in
Michigan where he bought it.  I spoke with them and sent the
picswaiting to hear back from them on advice.  In the meantime I wanted
to reach out to my fellow C owners for advice.  I'm very handy and am
considering pulling the trans and replacing it myself.  Suggestions are
welcome!  But, I'm still curious as to why the reverse wasn't engaging
thoughts?

Kind regards,
Brian Davis
..dead in the water, but at least at a marina in sunny FL..


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