Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Same. We flush with fresh water from the forward tank on Grenadine, instead of 
pumping in lake water full of E.coli and decomposing organic matter. No smells, 
the head thru-hull remains closed, and I don't have to worry about the bowl 
overflowing. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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To: "CNC" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Allen Miles" <abmile...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 6:40:59 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related 

Tackled the problem differently on Septima. I installed a fresh water bladder 
tank to feed the head. No smells from decaying whatever ( reason the Admiral 
wanted fresh water feed), no chance for overflow on port tacks, no sea water in 
the boat (that thru hull is closed all the time. Use tank to provide lateral 
trim. 

Allen Miles 
S/v Septima 30-2 
Hampton, VA 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 


Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea 
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or the 
valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty 
valve in the 'shut off' switch. 

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest 
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100. 

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 
4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of 
the easiest boat jobs I have experienced. 

FYi for anyone having a similar problem. 

Rob Abbott 

AZURA 

C 32 - 84 

Halifax, N.S. 



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[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

Yup ,
Binnacle for new pump and add a spare joker valve and you are at  the free 
shipping point !

Tim

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Dennis:

The Binnacle had the rebuild kit but it cost almost as much as a new 
pump..and the new pump seemed a breeze to install, which it was.

Rob Abbott

On 2016-07-26 4:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
Bob,
Glad you went the new pump assembly route.  I've been advocating that over a 
rebuild kit for years.
I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a year.  
It's a 10 minute job.  I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale build up also. 
 It's a frequent job.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea 
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve'  or the 
valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a faulty 
valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest 
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old pump, 
4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 hoses.one of 
the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[Allen Miles via CnC-List]

Tackled the problem differently on Septima.  I installed a fresh water
bladder tank to feed the head.  No smells from decaying whatever ( reason
the Admiral wanted fresh water feed), no chance for overflow on port tacks,
no sea water in the boat (that thru hull is closed all the time.  Use tank
to provide lateral trim.

Allen Miles
S/v Septima  30-2
Hampton, VA

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with
> sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker
> valve'  or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other,
> probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.
>
> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
> problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump
> assembly for $100.
>
> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.
>
> FYi for anyone having a similar problem.
>
> Rob Abbott
>
> AZURA
>
> C 32 - 84
>
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I replaced the pump on my head (should it be in my head? (;-)) and even my wife 
finds it so much better. She says that it was money well spent.

In Ottawa, it was even better $90 for the pump, $85 for the rebuild kit.  A no 
brainer.

Marek

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 16:07
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

Yep. My experience has been the rebuild kit is about $70 and the pump assembly 
around $100. However the rebuild is about 1.5-2 hours and the pump assembly 
replacement is about 30-45 minutes. 


Amazing how many of my customers still wanted the rebuild kit. Even when I told 
them my labor rate would make the total price more.


Dennis C.


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:

  Dennis:

  The Binnacle had the rebuild kit but it cost almost as much as a new 
pump..and the new pump seemed a breeze to install, which it was.

  Rob Abbott




  On 2016-07-26 4:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Bob,


Glad you went the new pump assembly route. I've been advocating that over a 
rebuild kit for years.


I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a 
year. It's a 10 minute job. I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale build up 
also. It's a frequent job.


Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

  Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with 
sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or 
the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a 
faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

  Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the 
problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump 
assembly for $100.

  One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old 
pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

  FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

  Rob Abbott

  AZURA

  C 32 - 84

  Halifax, N.S.



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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yep.  My experience has been the rebuild kit is about $70 and the pump
assembly around $100.  However the rebuild is about 1.5-2 hours and the
pump assembly replacement is about 30-45 minutes.

Amazing how many of my customers still wanted the rebuild kit.  Even when I
told them my labor rate would make the total price more.

Dennis C.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:29 PM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Dennis:
>
> The Binnacle had the rebuild kit but it cost almost as much as a new
> pump..and the new pump seemed a breeze to install, which it was.
>
> Rob Abbott
>
> On 2016-07-26 4:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> Glad you went the new pump assembly route.  I've been advocating that over
> a rebuild kit for years.
>
> I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a
> year.  It's a 10 minute job.  I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale
> build up also.  It's a frequent job.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with
>> sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker
>> valve'  or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other,
>> probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.
>>
>> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
>> problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump
>> assembly for $100.
>>
>> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
>> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
>> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.
>>
>> FYi for anyone having a similar problem.
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>>
>> AZURA
>>
>> C 32 - 84
>>
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>>
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[robert via CnC-List]

And a whole new pump assembly contains a new 'joker valve' (approx. $17) 
which you don't get with a $70 rebuild kit.


It was a 'no brainer'.

Rob


On 2016-07-26 5:00 PM, Fred Hazzard wrote:


You did good.  A rebuild kit is about $70 and pita.

Fred


On Jul 26, 2016 12:24 PM, "robert" <robertabb...@eastlink.ca 
<mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:


Fred:

There are only two logical ways water can fill the bowel, I think.

And a faulty 'joker valve' in my case would not have caused my
bowel to fill.  Just to be sure it was not the 'joker valve', I
closed the thru hull for the discharge but not the 'water intake'
to the head, and the bowel would fillonly on port tack.

If I opened the discharge thru hull but closed the 'water intake
thru hull', the bowel would not fill with water.

So I came to the conclusion, it was a faulty value/seal/O ring
etc. in the pump allowing sea water to enter the bowel.

Did I waste $90?

Rob Abbott

PS:  My discharge hose goes to a Y valve mounted high on the
starboard side under the V-berth to allow discharge to either the
holding tank or overboard.



On 2016-07-26 4:03 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote:

I have fixed similar problems with new joker valve for less than
$10.  Easy to install by removing the pump body with 4 self
tapping screws. While you have pump off it is a good time to
clean and lubricate the pump.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Did it fix the original problem?

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<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
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Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related

Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and
overflowing with sea
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty
'choker valve'  or
the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the
other, probably a
faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
problem.simplest
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly
for $100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3
hoses from old
pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place,
connect the 3
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

You did good.  A rebuild kit is about $70 and pita.

Fred

On Jul 26, 2016 12:24 PM, "robert" <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> wrote:

> Fred:
>
> There are only two logical ways water can fill the bowel, I think.
>
> And a faulty 'joker valve' in my case would not have caused my bowel to
> fill.  Just to be sure it was not the 'joker valve', I closed the thru hull
> for the discharge but not the 'water intake' to the head, and the bowel
> would fillonly on port tack.
>
> If I opened the discharge thru hull but closed the 'water intake thru
> hull', the bowel would not fill with water.
>
> So I came to the conclusion, it was a faulty value/seal/O ring etc. in the
> pump allowing sea water to enter the bowel.
>
> Did I waste $90?
>
> Rob Abbott
>
> PS:  My discharge hose goes to a Y valve mounted high on the starboard
> side under the V-berth to allow discharge to either the holding tank or
> overboard.
>
>
>
> On 2016-07-26 4:03 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I have fixed similar problems with new joker valve for less than $10.
> Easy to install by removing the pump body with 4 self tapping screws. While
> you have pump off it is a good time to clean and lubricate the pump.
>
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
> C 44
> Portland, Or
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Did it fix the original problem?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
>> via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: robert
>> Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related
>>
>> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with
>> sea
>> water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve'
>> or
>> the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably
>> a
>> faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.
>>
>> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
>> problem.simplest
>> way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100.
>>
>> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
>> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
>> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.
>>
>> FYi for anyone having a similar problem.
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>>
>> AZURA
>>
>> C 32 - 84
>>
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Interesting!
"I make sure I have the pump handle set right next to the closed position
detent but I don't engage it. Leaving it fully locked puts pressure on the
rubber piston pushing it against a small ridge and if you leave it like
that for a long period will permanently indent the rubber seal area and
cause it to leak."

We use our toilet very infrequently. If we're at the marina we use the
marina toilets (unless it's the middle of the night). When we had the boat
in Toronto we mostly NEVER used it with the exception of longer cruises or
weekends. So, very infrequent use. I figured that the infrequent use was
part of the culprit of our failing pump (at only 4 years old with minimal
use seems a disappointment) - so yeah, the above is very handy info.

Thanks!

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related - flood from toilet

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

Second that.  Also, the "wet bowl" position on the flush valve should be
called "wet boat" (if forgotten).

Dave



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Just for the record, you do not want to be dependent on the head pump to
keep your boat afloat as the valves in these things can and do fail.  Sea
water overflowing the bowl probably means that there is a siphon between
the head and the though hull (or worse).   Replacing the pump just delays
sinking until it fails.  The two solutions are a high loop with a siphon
break or one can (as I do) always close the through-hull when finished your
ablutions. Just say'n.
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[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Rob,

You did it right. I rebuilt mine twice and had to replace the whole 
assembly shortly after the 2nd rebuild as the plastic holding the selector 
valve was worn.. They may be good for 1 rebuild but for me and our usage 
(Typically spending weekends with a family of 4) it's just not worth 
fooling with to save 15 - 30 bucks. Next time I just buy a whole new 
assembly. 

Couple things I learned: 

 - When sailing make sure the selector is on the "black" side and the pump 
in the locked position as it the to official "closed" setup that prevents 
spills even with heavy heeling with the through hull open (Safest is just 
to close it between uses though) 

- Here's the kicker:  However, when leaving the boat (With all through 
hulls closed)or when just not using the head for a while,  I make sure I 
have the pump handle set right next to the closed position detent but I 
don't engage it. Leaving it fully locked puts pressure on the rubber 
piston pushing it against a small ridge and if you leave it like that for 
a long period will permanently indent the rubber seal area and cause it to 
leak.  Of course the through hull has to be closed.  So far there are no 
smells even after a week or so in the hot Georgia summer and the pump 
works well. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA






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Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with 
sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker 
valve'  or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the 
other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the 
problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco 
pump assembly for $100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from 
old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.
Regards



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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[robert via CnC-List]

Dennis:

The Binnacle had the rebuild kit but it cost almost as much as a new 
pump..and the new pump seemed a breeze to install, which it was.


Rob Abbott


On 2016-07-26 4:17 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Bob,

Glad you went the new pump assembly route.  I've been advocating that 
over a rebuild kit for years.


I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times 
a year.  It's a 10 minute job.  I also flush with vinegar to reduce 
scale build up also.  It's a frequent job.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List 
> wrote:


Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing
with sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty
'choker valve'  or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be
one or the other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new
Jabsco pump assembly for $100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses
from old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place,
connect the 3 hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have
experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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[robert via CnC-List]

Fred:

There are only two logical ways water can fill the bowel, I think.

And a faulty 'joker valve' in my case would not have caused my bowel to 
fill.  Just to be sure it was not the 'joker valve', I closed the thru 
hull for the discharge but not the 'water intake' to the head, and the 
bowel would fillonly on port tack.


If I opened the discharge thru hull but closed the 'water intake thru 
hull', the bowel would not fill with water.


So I came to the conclusion, it was a faulty value/seal/O ring etc. in 
the pump allowing sea water to enter the bowel.


Did I waste $90?

Rob Abbott

PS:  My discharge hose goes to a Y valve mounted high on the starboard 
side under the V-berth to allow discharge to either the holding tank or 
overboard.




On 2016-07-26 4:03 PM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote:
I have fixed similar problems with new joker valve for less than $10.  
Easy to install by removing the pump body with 4 self tapping screws. 
While you have pump off it is a good time to clean and lubricate the 
pump.


Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Did it fix the original problem?

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related

Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing
with sea
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker
valve'  or
the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other,
probably a
faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
problem.simplest
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for
$100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses
from old
pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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[Ken via CnC-List]

 
Glad this fixed it for you. SOP for my head is closing the seawater-in
valve after each use (I do not have a high loop or anti-siphon valve).
I once left seawater-in open, relying on the dry/flush valve built in
to the pump to keep water from coming in, and after a few hours the
water level in the bowl was the same as the water level outside the
hull! I have sense rebuilt the head, but always open and close the
value each "sitting" - belt and suspenders…
 
I also added a small Jabsco inline filter this spring to keep hard and
soft debris out of the pump and bowl. With a plastic bore in the pump
this should extend the life of the pump.
 
Ken
 
C 33-1
 
 
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:48:06 -0300, robert via CnC-List  wrote:

  Yes, took the boat for a sail as soon as the new pump was
installed.15% to 20% heel on both tacks.dry 'bowel'.

In fact, when I emptied the bowel of water (dry bowel switch) with the
old pump, water would seep back into the bowel to probably 'water
level' or 'sea level'. Now with the new pump, the bowel is virtually
dry and stays that way.just a few ounces of water the new pump can't
possibly pick up and discharge.

Well worth the investment and effort.

Rob Abbott

On 2016-07-26 3:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List wrote:

Did it fix the original problem?

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related

Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve' or
the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a
faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Bob,

Glad you went the new pump assembly route.  I've been advocating that over
a rebuild kit for years.

I remove and clean the joker valve on my Jabsco compact a couple times a
year.  It's a 10 minute job.  I also flush with vinegar to reduce scale
build up also.  It's a frequent job.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:29 PM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with
> sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker
> valve'  or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other,
> probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.
>
> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
> problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump
> assembly for $100.
>
> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.
>
> FYi for anyone having a similar problem.
>
> Rob Abbott
>
> AZURA
>
> C 32 - 84
>
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[David Paine via CnC-List]

Just for the record, you do not want to be dependent on the head pump to
keep your boat afloat as the valves in these things can and do fail.  Sea
water overflowing the bowl probably means that there is a siphon between
the head and the though hull (or worse).   Replacing the pump just delays
sinking until it fails.  The two solutions are a high loop with a siphon
break or one can (as I do) always close the through-hull when finished your
ablutions. Just say'n.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:56 PM, robert via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> Stevan:
>
> This was the replacement part I bought:
>
>
> http://ca.binnacle.com/Plumbing-&-Pumps-Toilets/c31_209/p6899/ITT-TWIST-&-LOCK-TOILET-PUMP-ASSEMBLY-29040-3000/product_info.html
>
>
> Rob Abbott
>
>
>
>
> On 2016-07-26 3:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I have a similar problem with my jabsco head. It was a brand new
> replacement for the original that I installed about 4 years ago. The other
> night we were sleeping aboard and I got up in the middle of the night for a
> bio break and lo and behold, the bowl was full! Right to the rim but not
> overflowing! Lucky me, I thought, that it didn't sink the boat!
>
> Well being the middle of the night my head wasn't totally screwed on. Of
> course, the bowl had been overflowing quite a bit and the bilge was full to
> the brim! (I had turned off the bilge pump earlier that day for some
> reason)... anyway .. long story short, thanks for recounting your
> experience. I now know what I have to do and what will be involved so I'm a
> whole lot less worried about it :)
>
> Replacing the head and hoses was the filthiest job I've ever done and I'm
> glad not to have to repeat (much) of it.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Did it fix the original problem?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
>> via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: robert
>> Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related
>>
>> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with
>> sea
>> water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve'
>> or
>> the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably
>> a
>> faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.
>>
>> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
>> problem.simplest
>> way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100.
>>
>> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
>> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
>> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.
>>
>> FYi for anyone having a similar problem.
>>
>> Rob Abbott
>>
>> AZURA
>>
>> C 32 - 84
>>
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>
>>
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[robert via CnC-List]

Stevan:

If you decide to replace the pump, tip..make sure you have a 'long' 
Philips screwdriver or a 'very short' one or better still, and 'offset 
Philips screwdriver' to access one of the four screws.the bottom 
right screw is a tight fit to get a regular screwdriver down to the 
screw between the pump and the wall.


Naturally, I found that out the hard way..left my 'offset Philips 
screwdriver' at home and didn't have a very long or very short one on 
the boat.


Rob Abbott





On 2016-07-26 3:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
I have a similar problem with my jabsco head. It was a brand new 
replacement for the original that I installed about 4 years ago. The 
other night we were sleeping aboard and I got up in the middle of the 
night for a bio break and lo and behold, the bowl was full! Right to 
the rim but not overflowing! Lucky me, I thought, that it didn't sink 
the boat!


Well being the middle of the night my head wasn't totally screwed on. 
Of course, the bowl had been overflowing quite a bit and the bilge 
was full to the brim! (I had turned off the bilge pump earlier that 
day for some reason)... anyway .. long story short, thanks for 
recounting your experience. I now know what I have to do and what 
will be involved so I'm a whole lot less worried about it :)


Replacing the head and hoses was the filthiest job I've ever done and 
I'm glad not to have to repeat (much) of it.


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Did it fix the original problem?

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related

Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and
overflowing with sea
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker
valve'  or
the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other,
probably a
faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
problem.simplest
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for
$100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses
from old
pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

I have fixed similar problems with new joker valve for less than $10.  Easy
to install by removing the pump body with 4 self tapping screws. While you
have pump off it is a good time to clean and lubricate the pump.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Did it fix the original problem?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: robert
> Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related
>
> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea
> water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve'  or
> the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a
> faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.
>
> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
> problem.simplest
> way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100.
>
> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.
>
> FYi for anyone having a similar problem.
>
> Rob Abbott
>
> AZURA
>
> C 32 - 84
>
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[robert via CnC-List]

Stevan:

This was the replacement part I bought:

http://ca.binnacle.com/Plumbing-&-Pumps-Toilets/c31_209/p6899/ITT-TWIST-&-LOCK-TOILET-PUMP-ASSEMBLY-29040-3000/product_info.html


Rob Abbott




On 2016-07-26 3:50 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
I have a similar problem with my jabsco head. It was a brand new 
replacement for the original that I installed about 4 years ago. The 
other night we were sleeping aboard and I got up in the middle of the 
night for a bio break and lo and behold, the bowl was full! Right to 
the rim but not overflowing! Lucky me, I thought, that it didn't sink 
the boat!


Well being the middle of the night my head wasn't totally screwed on. 
Of course, the bowl had been overflowing quite a bit and the bilge was 
full to the brim! (I had turned off the bilge pump earlier that day 
for some reason)... anyway .. long story short, thanks for recounting 
your experience. I now know what I have to do and what will be 
involved so I'm a whole lot less worried about it :)


Replacing the head and hoses was the filthiest job I've ever done and 
I'm glad not to have to repeat (much) of it.


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Did it fix the original problem?

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
    Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related

Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing
with sea
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker
valve'  or
the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other,
probably a
faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
problem.simplest
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for
$100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses
from old
pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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Re: Stus-List Plumbing Related

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I have a similar problem with my jabsco head. It was a brand new
replacement for the original that I installed about 4 years ago. The other
night we were sleeping aboard and I got up in the middle of the night for a
bio break and lo and behold, the bowl was full! Right to the rim but not
overflowing! Lucky me, I thought, that it didn't sink the boat!

Well being the middle of the night my head wasn't totally screwed on. Of
course, the bowl had been overflowing quite a bit and the bilge was full to
the brim! (I had turned off the bilge pump earlier that day for some
reason)... anyway .. long story short, thanks for recounting your
experience. I now know what I have to do and what will be involved so I'm a
whole lot less worried about it :)

Replacing the head and hoses was the filthiest job I've ever done and I'm
glad not to have to repeat (much) of it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Did it fix the original problem?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: robert
> Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related
>
> Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea
> water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve'  or
> the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a
> faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.
>
> Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the
> problem.simplest
> way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100.
>
> One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
> pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
> hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.
>
> FYi for anyone having a similar problem.
>
> Rob Abbott
>
> AZURA
>
> C 32 - 84
>
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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[robert via CnC-List]

Yes, took the boat for a sail as soon as the new pump was 
installed.15% to 20% heel on both tacks.dry 'bowel'.


In fact, when I emptied the bowel of water (dry bowel switch) with the 
old pump, water would seep back into the bowel to probably 'water 
level'  or 'sea level'.  Now with the new pump, the bowel is virtually 
dry and stays that way.just a few ounces of water the new pump can't 
possibly pick up and discharge.


Well worth the investment and effort.

Rob Abbott



On 2016-07-26 3:40 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List wrote:

Did it fix the original problem?

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of robert
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related

Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve'  or
the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a
faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Did it fix the original problem?

-Original Message-
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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Plumbing Related

Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with sea
water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker valve'  or
the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the other, probably a
faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.

Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the problem.simplest
way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco pump assembly for $100.

One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from old
pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.

FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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[robert via CnC-List]

Recently, on port tack, my 'head bowl' was filling and overflowing with 
sea water.wasn't completely sure whether it was a faulty 'choker 
valve'  or the valve in the 'shut off' leverhad to be one or the 
other, probably a faulty valve in the 'shut off' switch.


Trip to Binnacle to check out possible solutions to the 
problem.simplest way to address it was to get a whole new Jabsco 
pump assembly for $100.


One hour labor in total install new pump. disconnect 3 hoses from 
old pump, 4 screws in the base, screw new pump into place, connect the 3 
hoses.one of the easiest boat jobs I have experienced.


FYi for anyone having a similar problem.

Rob Abbott

AZURA

C 32 - 84

Halifax, N.S.



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