Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[David Folsom via CnC-List]

I have a 1981 C 36, bought it about 6 years ago and I am very happy with
the boat. It is a bit tender, but in part that is because I have a 155%
genoa.
In looking at the pictures in the ad, it looks like the boat has not been
that well cared for.
I would suggest carefully looking at the rod rigging, I spent about $4000
redoing mine.
Other things I note- my boat has a keel stepped mast, whereas I see a
compression post on this boat.
The mattress in the quarter berth is not the right fit, looks like
something happened to the cushions

The price is pretty good, but if there is alot of work to be done, it could
add up quickly.

If the basics are good (engine, rigging, deck) and the issues are just
cosmetic, then it is probably a good deal.

One thing I wish I had done when I bought my boat was getting a rigging
survey. It would have pointed out rigging issues that the regular survey
did not find, and I could have negotiated a better price.

Hope this helps

David Folsom
Rebel Maid
C 36
San Diego

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:42 AM, Dave via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
wrote:

> For sure Joe, there will be much more variance boat to boat, and  anyway
> it's just one man's opinion.  (Well, I suppose two, cuz I agreed).  I.   I
> won't speak for the gentleman, but I remember the context, and the
> inference was not that earlier boats somehow lacked 'quality' relative to
> later, only that as manufacturers, c progressed .  (One would hope so,
> and I'm now comforted he did not suggest otherwise!)
>
>  To speak to the original post, Model-specific concerns are probably more
> relevant, as (to your point) is the condition of the specific boat.
> Really, they are all 'old'.
>
> Has blistering been an issue specific to any C production periods?
> Windstar (1985)  has had half-dozen tiny ones pop up, but nothing major.
>  (Again, To your point - my first boat, 1972 vintage, had none, ever,
> though it had some period-correct soggy deck coring - easily repaired in a
> boat with no hull liner)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 22:02:32 -0400
> From: "Joe Della Barba" <j...@dellabarba.com>
> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36
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> I would disagree. C has been through enough changes that I would not say
> they have a graph of quality heading only upwards*. It would not take long
> to find older boat X better than newer boat Y. Besides for that, the boats
> are old enough to have had very different lives.
>
>
>
> * remember that as of 1970, blisters were a thing that had not yet happened
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com <j...@dellabarba.com>>
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.

[Graham Young via CnC-List]

Hi Rob,
The deep fin version of the C 32 is 5'8".  A smaller number of them came with 
a KCB that with a draw of 4'-6'11"

Graham Young1981 C 32 #107SpellboundCleveland, Ohio 

On Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:44 AM, robert via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
 

  I have sailed on, and helmed, both the C 30 MKI and a C 36...in my 
opinion, the C 30 MKI is by far the stiffer boat.
 
 Looking at the Dellenbaugh chart, can anyone tell me what the difference is 
between a 'C 32 deep' and a 'C 32'..I think I have the '32 deep'.to 
the best of my knowledge, it is the full deep keel..draft approx. 5' 8".
 
 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 C 32 - 84
 Halifax, N.S. 
 
 On 2016-08-27 3:21 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
 I'm not familiar with a rock dike.. did she get an operation?
 
 Anyhow, a little qualification is in order, the 30-1 is the stiff boat of the 
little fleet.
  http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm
 
 the 36 doesn't look particular stiff according to the chart.
 
  Cheers, Russ
 Sweet 35 mk-1
 
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 Only thing stiffer than a 30-1 is a rock dike.
 Ron
 Wild Cheri
 C 30-1
 STL
 
 
 
 
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 To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
 Cc: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net>; Mitchell's <themitche...@yahoo.ca>
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:09 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.
 
 A lot stiffer than the 30?  The 36KCB must be one helluva stiff boat then!
 
 Cheers,
 Randy Stafford
 S/V Grenadine
 C 30-1 #7
 Ken Caryl, CO
 
 
  
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Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.

[robert via CnC-List]

I have sailed on, and helmed, both the C 30 MKI and a C 36...in 
my opinion, the C 30 MKI is by far the stiffer boat.


Looking at the Dellenbaugh chart, can anyone tell me what the difference 
is between a 'C 32 deep' and a 'C 32'..I think I have the '32 
deep'.to the best of my knowledge, it is the full deep 
keel..draft approx. 5' 8".


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-08-27 3:21 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote:


I'm not familiar with a rock dike.. did she get an operation?

Anyhow, a little qualification is in order, the 30-1 is the stiff boat 
of the little fleet.
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm 
<http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm>


the 36 doesn't look particular stiff according to the chart.

Cheers, Russ
/Sweet /35 mk-1

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Only thing stiffer than a 30-1 is a rock dike.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL




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*To:* cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
*Cc:* RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net>; Mitchell's 
<themitche...@yahoo.ca>

*Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 10:09 AM
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.

A lot stiffer than the 30?  The 36KCB must be one helluva stiff boat 
then!


Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO



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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

I'm not familiar with a rock dike.. did she get an operation?

Anyhow, a little qualification is in order, the 30-1 is the stiff 
boat of the little fleet.

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm

the 36 doesn't look particular stiff according to the chart.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 07:55 PM 26/08/2016, you wrote:

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Only thing stiffer than a 30-1 is a rock dike.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL




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To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net>; Mitchell's <themitche...@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.

A lot stiffer than the 30?  The 36KCB must be one helluva stiff boat then!

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 cb

[TOM VINCENT via CnC-List]

This has been an interesting topic to follow for several days as I have owned 
and raced a C 30 and now own and race a C 36 cb. I bought the 30' new in 
1975 and raced her on the upper Chesapeake Bay in the Columbia Sailing Assoc. 
(CSA). I had a 160 genoa, deck sweeper, and could carry it in breezes up to the 
high teens. It was a hanked on sail, which was a pain to reduce to the 135. My 
36' cb is more tender with a 150 and we need to reef the main or furl in the 
genoa some (luff tape) when the wind goes in the mid teens. I can still out 
point the fleet with the 150 and the center board is always up as I race on the 
Bohemia River which is very shallow.


Tom

Frolic II 1979 C 36'cb

Chesapeake City, MD
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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Only thing stiffer than a 30-1 is a rock dike.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


  From: RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net>; Mitchell's <themitche...@yahoo.ca>
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 10:09 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.
   
A lot stiffer than the 30?  The 36KCB must be one helluva stiff boat then!
Cheers,Randy StaffordS/V GrenadineC 30-1 #7Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.

[RANDY via CnC-List]

A lot stiffer than the 30? The 36KCB must be one helluva stiff boat then! 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

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To: "CNC List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: "Mitchell's" <themitche...@yahoo.ca> 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:46:50 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36. 

Ryan, The 81 36KCB is a great boat. I had one for 10 years. It's about 4 foot 2 
inch draft despite what the C brochure said. Sails well with board up if 
necessary. You will need to seal the cast iron board specially in salt water, I 
would get a bigger wheel (42) and install spinnaker winches. It sailed well and 
would go anywhere. I've sailed a 29 and a 30-1 both great boats but they lack 
interior space the 36 has. You will find it a lot stiffer than the 30. That's a 
great price if it's in good condition. You would sail past a lot of new 36 and 
bigger boats if racing. The older C will last forever if kept well. 36KCB 
would make a great boat for the Bahamas too! 
Len Mitchell 
Crazy Legs 
89 37+ 
Sent from my mobile device. 

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Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36.

[Mitchell's via CnC-List]

Ryan, The 81 36KCB is a great boat. I had one for 10 years. It's about 4 foot 2 
inch draft despite what the C brochure said. Sails well with board up if 
necessary. You will need to seal the cast iron board specially in salt water, I 
would get a bigger wheel (42) and install spinnaker winches. It sailed well and 
would go anywhere. I've sailed a 29 and a 30-1 both great boats but they lack 
interior space the 36 has. You will find it a lot stiffer than the 30. That's a 
great price if it's in good condition. You would sail past a lot of new 36 and 
bigger boats if racing. The older C will last forever if kept well. 36KCB 
would make a great boat for the Bahamas too! 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
89 37+
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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

When considering a Crusader, look carefully at the shroud chain plates.  I
worked aloft on one several years ago and the chain plates didn't look
good.  Might need replacing.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Wow... That Crusader is gorgeous.  Look at those overhangs.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Wow... That Crusader is gorgeous.  Look at those overhangs.


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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I would seriously consider that Crusader - she is a beauty!
Looking through Yachtworld, you see boats that look like they have been
abandoned for years. You could at least clean the thing. One I wish I had
saved the link to had an unflushed dump in the head!

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

Coquina

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:01 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Exactly

A boat with original 1970s or 1980s instruments with some not working and
very old sails shows me a boat that has not had money spent on it by an
owner that either absolutely cannot afford it or one who is cheap and
content to use up what previous owners paid for.  That boat will likely also
sufer from inadequate maintenance on engine and other key systems.

The Crusader that Joe linked to is an example of the opposite.  In addition
to being a very handsome design there are indications all over that boat
that continuous upgrades have taken place.  The engine panel and engine look
like a recent repower.  The instruments are recent and the galley has been
overhauled with both refrigeration and stove replaced.  That is one very
nice looking boat!

Mike

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Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:51 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Good suggestions.
In today's market, I would be looking for a well-loved boat that does NOT
need engine, sails, or cushions. If you have to do all three the boat would
need to be nearly free for it make sense.
If you go old school, this is 4'3" board up:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/C%26C-Yachts-Crusader-40-2968402/Manche
ster-by-the-Sea/MA/United-States#.V8A5G4f2ZDw

I would pick a good 36 over a bad LF38 and vice versa. We have a lot of LF38
expertise on this list. One thing I know is a PITA with them is the
foamed-in-place fuel tank will eventually leak and it is not easy to get
out. My tank rusted through too, but on the 35 MK I tank removal is a 15
minute job and it is a standard size available at West Marine. I am on my
third engine and the 35 MK I is an easy boat for changing engines. It takes
about an hour to get the engine out myself using ship's tackle. The LF38 is
a bit trickier with the V-drive.

Joe
Coquina

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Mike via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:37 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Our former port had 2.5 feet to get in channel at moon low tide.  We sailed
for years with Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 at 4' draft and then for a bunch
more years with J27 at 4.9 foot draft.  That same marina had a C 99
(5.5ft) for years and currently has a C 34, a C 35-1, a C 35-3 and a
number of the C  We visited this summer with current boat (6.25 ft).
So long as you pay attention to the tides it is not an issue.  The C 30
with its shallow keel seems very well suited to the area as it only draws 5'
and the keel shape is good for bouncing over objects 

As to the 1981 C 36?  Our family bought the standard keel 1981 model new
in Fall 1980 and had it for 9 seasons.  The interior is very similar to the
C 35-3.  A big feature was standing headroom for my 6'3" father and bunks
for 6 (we had a large family).  We never found the boat particularly tender
but then we did not sail on many other mid 30 foot boats at the time so did
not have a frame of reference.  Compared to our later Niagara 26 I would
call the 36 stiff.  I always thought it was a wonderful boat and our
thinking at the time it was discontinued for the 35-3 was that the 29-2,
35-3 and 27-V replaced the larger 30, 36 and 27-4 as a way to sell a less
expensive boat to the same market.

All these old boats are good but they are indeed old.  I would suggest you
find the one with the best access to engine and most comfortable interior
combined with evidence it has been much loved over its life (new sails,
instruments, cushions etc ).  These boats we are discussing are all
ancient and the engines will require constant maintenance and repair.  Our
3GM30F on or Frers 33 is jammed into an extremely small area with horrible
access and yet I have been forced to work on or around it a number of times
over the past 3 seasons.  OTOH the sail inventory is quite new as are the
instruments, windows and many other features that tell me that each of the
previous 3 owners lavished the boat and this attention would cover all
aspects of its maintenance

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Exactly

A boat with original 1970s or 1980s instruments with some not working and very 
old sails shows me a boat that has not had money spent on it by an owner that 
either absolutely cannot afford it or one who is cheap and content to use up 
what previous owners paid for.  That boat will likely also sufer from 
inadequate maintenance on engine and other key systems.

The Crusader that Joe linked to is an example of the opposite.  In addition to 
being a very handsome design there are indications all over that boat that 
continuous upgrades have taken place.  The engine panel and engine look like a 
recent repower.  The instruments are recent and the galley has been overhauled 
with both refrigeration and stove replaced.  That is one very nice looking boat!

Mike

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Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 9:51 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Good suggestions.
In today's market, I would be looking for a well-loved boat that does NOT need 
engine, sails, or cushions. If you have to do all three the boat would need to 
be nearly free for it make sense.
If you go old school, this is 4'3" board up:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/C%26C-Yachts-Crusader-40-2968402/Manchester-by-the-Sea/MA/United-States#.V8A5G4f2ZDw

I would pick a good 36 over a bad LF38 and vice versa. We have a lot of LF38 
expertise on this list. One thing I know is a PITA with them is the 
foamed-in-place fuel tank will eventually leak and it is not easy to get out. 
My tank rusted through too, but on the 35 MK I tank removal is a 15 minute job 
and it is a standard size available at West Marine. I am on my third engine and 
the 35 MK I is an easy boat for changing engines. It takes about an hour to get 
the engine out myself using ship's tackle. The LF38 is a bit trickier with the 
V-drive.

Joe
Coquina

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:37 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Our former port had 2.5 feet to get in channel at moon low tide.  We sailed for 
years with Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 at 4' draft and then for a bunch more years 
with J27 at 4.9 foot draft.  That same marina had a C 99 (5.5ft) for years 
and currently has a C 34, a C 35-1, a C 35-3 and a number of the C  
We visited this summer with current boat (6.25 ft).  So long as you pay 
attention to the tides it is not an issue.  The C 30 with its shallow keel 
seems very well suited to the area as it only draws 5' and the keel shape is 
good for bouncing over objects 

As to the 1981 C 36?  Our family bought the standard keel 1981 model new in 
Fall 1980 and had it for 9 seasons.  The interior is very similar to the C 
35-3.  A big feature was standing headroom for my 6'3" father and bunks for 6 
(we had a large family).  We never found the boat particularly tender but then 
we did not sail on many other mid 30 foot boats at the time so did not have a 
frame of reference.  Compared to our later Niagara 26 I would call the 36 
stiff.  I always thought it was a wonderful boat and our thinking at the time 
it was discontinued for the 35-3 was that the 29-2, 35-3 and 27-V replaced the 
larger 30, 36 and 27-4 as a way to sell a less expensive boat to the same 
market.

All these old boats are good but they are indeed old.  I would suggest you find 
the one with the best access to engine and most comfortable interior combined 
with evidence it has been much loved over its life (new sails, instruments, 
cushions etc ).  These boats we are discussing are all ancient and the 
engines will require constant maintenance and repair.  Our 3GM30F on or Frers 
33 is jammed into an extremely small area with horrible access and yet I have 
been forced to work on or around it a number of times over the past 3 seasons.  
OTOH the sail inventory is quite new as are the instruments, windows and many 
other features that tell me that each of the previous 3 owners lavished the 
boat and this attention would cover all aspects of its maintenance

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Thanks guys.  The wife is actually focusing in on Landfall 38's, but they are 
pricier.  Although, they do seem better suited to cruising.  

Regarding draft - my home port is on the Barnegat Bay where when you tell 
people you have a 5' draft they say "oh wow... so you a deep draft boat..."  
I've survived with a 

Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Good suggestions.
In today's market, I would be looking for a well-loved boat that does NOT need 
engine, sails, or cushions. If you have to do all three the boat would need to 
be nearly free for it make sense.
If you go old school, this is 4'3" board up:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/C%26C-Yachts-Crusader-40-2968402/Manchester-by-the-Sea/MA/United-States#.V8A5G4f2ZDw

I would pick a good 36 over a bad LF38 and vice versa. We have a lot of LF38 
expertise on this list. One thing I know is a PITA with them is the 
foamed-in-place fuel tank will eventually leak and it is not easy to get out. 
My tank rusted through too, but on the 35 MK I tank removal is a 15 minute job 
and it is a standard size available at West Marine. I am on my third engine and 
the 35 MK I is an easy boat for changing engines. It takes about an hour to get 
the engine out myself using ship's tackle. The LF38 is a bit trickier with the 
V-drive.

Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 8:37 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Our former port had 2.5 feet to get in channel at moon low tide.  We sailed for 
years with Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 at 4' draft and then for a bunch more years 
with J27 at 4.9 foot draft.  That same marina had a C 99 (5.5ft) for years 
and currently has a C 34, a C 35-1, a C 35-3 and a number of the C  
We visited this summer with current boat (6.25 ft).  So long as you pay 
attention to the tides it is not an issue.  The C 30 with its shallow keel 
seems very well suited to the area as it only draws 5' and the keel shape is 
good for bouncing over objects 

As to the 1981 C 36?  Our family bought the standard keel 1981 model new in 
Fall 1980 and had it for 9 seasons.  The interior is very similar to the C 
35-3.  A big feature was standing headroom for my 6'3" father and bunks for 6 
(we had a large family).  We never found the boat particularly tender but then 
we did not sail on many other mid 30 foot boats at the time so did not have a 
frame of reference.  Compared to our later Niagara 26 I would call the 36 
stiff.  I always thought it was a wonderful boat and our thinking at the time 
it was discontinued for the 35-3 was that the 29-2, 35-3 and 27-V replaced the 
larger 30, 36 and 27-4 as a way to sell a less expensive boat to the same 
market.

All these old boats are good but they are indeed old.  I would suggest you find 
the one with the best access to engine and most comfortable interior combined 
with evidence it has been much loved over its life (new sails, instruments, 
cushions etc ).  These boats we are discussing are all ancient and the 
engines will require constant maintenance and repair.  Our 3GM30F on or Frers 
33 is jammed into an extremely small area with horrible access and yet I have 
been forced to work on or around it a number of times over the past 3 seasons.  
OTOH the sail inventory is quite new as are the instruments, windows and many 
other features that tell me that each of the previous 3 owners lavished the 
boat and this attention would cover all aspects of its maintenance

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Thanks guys.  The wife is actually focusing in on Landfall 38's, but they are 
pricier.  Although, they do seem better suited to cruising.  

Regarding draft - my home port is on the Barnegat Bay where when you tell 
people you have a 5' draft they say "oh wow... so you a deep draft boat..."  
I've survived with a 5' draft long enough though, and the landfall 38 is 4'11". 
 Every inch helps on the barnegat!

Going to take a hard look now at the landfall 35 and 38 as well..  Thanks guys. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> Re:  Possible upgrade to a C 36

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Our former port had 2.5 feet to get in channel at moon low tide.  We sailed for 
years with Hinterhoeller Niagara 26 at 4' draft and then for a bunch more years 
with J27 at 4.9 foot draft.  That same marina had a C 99 (5.5ft) for years 
and currently has a C 34, a C 35-1, a C 35-3 and a number of the C  
We visited this summer with current boat (6.25 ft).  So long as you pay 
attention to the tides it is not an issue.  The C 30 with its shallow keel 
seems very well suited to the area as it only draws 5' and the keel shape is 
good for bouncing over objects 

As to the 1981 C 36?  Our family bought the standard keel 1981 model new in 
Fall 1980 and had it for 9 seasons.  The interior is very similar to the C 
35-3.  A big feature was standing headroom for my 6'3" father and bunks for 6 
(we had a large family).  We never found the boat particularly tender but then 
we did not sail on many other mid 30 foot boats at the time so did not have a 
frame of reference.  Compared to our later Niagara 26 I would call the 36 
stiff.  I always thought it was a wonderful boat and our thinking at the time 
it was discontinued for the 35-3 was that the 29-2, 35-3 and 27-V replaced the 
larger 30, 36 and 27-4 as a way to sell a less expensive boat to the same 
market.

All these old boats are good but they are indeed old.  I would suggest you find 
the one with the best access to engine and most comfortable interior combined 
with evidence it has been much loved over its life (new sails, instruments, 
cushions etc ).  These boats we are discussing are all ancient and the 
engines will require constant maintenance and repair.  Our 3GM30F on or Frers 
33 is jammed into an extremely small area with horrible access and yet I have 
been forced to work on or around it a number of times over the past 3 seasons.  
OTOH the sail inventory is quite new as are the instruments, windows and many 
other features that tell me that each of the previous 3 owners lavished the 
boat and this attention would cover all aspects of its maintenance

Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Thanks guys.  The wife is actually focusing in on Landfall 38's, but they are 
pricier.  Although, they do seem better suited to cruising.  

Regarding draft - my home port is on the Barnegat Bay where when you tell 
people you have a 5' draft they say "oh wow... so you a deep draft boat..."  
I've survived with a 5' draft long enough though, and the landfall 38 is 4'11". 
 Every inch helps on the barnegat!

Going to take a hard look now at the landfall 35 and 38 as well..  Thanks guys. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:33 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Re:  Possible upgrade to a C 36

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Dave via CnC-List]

For sure Joe, there will be much more variance boat to boat, and  anyway it's 
just one man's opinion.  (Well, I suppose two, cuz I agreed).  I.   I won't 
speak for the gentleman, but I remember the context, and the inference was not 
that earlier boats somehow lacked 'quality' relative to later, only that as 
manufacturers, c progressed .  (One would hope so, and I'm now comforted he 
did not suggest otherwise!)

 To speak to the original post, Model-specific concerns are probably more 
relevant, as (to your point) is the condition of the specific boat. Really, 
they are all 'old'.

Has blistering been an issue specific to any C production periods?   Windstar 
(1985)  has had half-dozen tiny ones pop up, but nothing major.  (Again, To 
your point - my first boat, 1972 vintage, had none, ever, though it had some 
period-correct soggy deck coring - easily repaired in a boat with no hull liner)

Dave 



Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 22:02:32 -0400
From: "Joe Della Barba" <j...@dellabarba.com>
To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36
Message-ID: <002001d1ff3d$e933a960$bb9afc20$@dellabarba.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I would disagree. C has been through enough changes that I would not say they 
have a graph of quality heading only upwards*. It would not take long to find 
older boat X better than newer boat Y. Besides for that, the boats are old 
enough to have had very different lives.



* remember that as of 1970, blisters were a thing that had not yet happened



Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com<mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[svpegasus38]

Wally has been cruising his LF38 for many years. I like mine very 
comfortable. So I am voting on th LF38 also. 
Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 #4just west of Ballard, WA.




-- Original message--From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List Date: Thu, Aug 25, 
2016 13:44To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Ryan Doyle;Subject:Re: Stus-List 
Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38
Thanks guys.  The wife is actually focusing in on Landfall 38's, but they are 
pricier.  Although, they do seem better suited to cruising.  Regarding draft - 
my home port is on the Barnegat Bay where when you tell people you have a 5' 
draft they say "oh wow... so you a deep draft boat..."  I've survived with a 5' 
draft long enough though, and the landfall 38 is 4'11".  Every inch helps on 
the barnegat!Going to take a hard look now at the landfall 35 and 38 as well..  
Thanks guys. Sent from my iPhone> On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:33 PM, 
cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:> > Re:  Possible upgrade to a C 
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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I would disagree. C has been through enough changes that I would not say they 
have a graph of quality heading only upwards*. It would not take long to find 
older boat X better than newer boat Y. Besides for that, the boats are old 
enough to have had very different lives.

 

* remember that as of 1970, blisters were a thing that had not yet happened

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:17 PM
To: C Stus List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: syerd...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

 

No opinion on model other than to pass on the advice I received from a local 
surveyor (ex C foreman- I live in C land). "Buy the newest boat you can 
afford, the got better over time".   I started looking at corvettes, 35 mk1 and 
2, and ended up with a 33mkii.  The older boats are classics, and great, but 3 
years later i think  it was good advice. 





Dave





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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:35:08 -0400
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Subject: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36
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Hey everyone,

So the wife and I have been coastal sailing our 30-1 around NY and NJ, and we 
love her, but of course now that we're more experienced, we're considering 
taking the jump to some longer distance crusing and we're ***possibly*** 
looking to sell our beautiful 30-1 that I've worked so hard to restore and move 
up to a larger boat - ideally with a shallower draft and some nicer amenities.

I've been looking at this 1981 C 36.  Ticks a lot of boxes for us... Shallow 
draft, significantly bigger, a wheel, and a diesel.

I know there are a ton of 36 owners on here.  Anyone have anything to say about 
this boat good or bad?  Any advice if I go up to look at her?  She definitely 
appears to need a little TLC, but I'm looking for a bargain with good bones 
that I can fix up like I did my 30-1.

Thanks in advance,
Ryan

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Thanks Joe.  Yeah I'm going to be very concerned about the motor on any new to 
us boat.  I've been spoiled **knock on wood**. My 40 year old fwc Atomic 4 on 
my 30-1 has not once given us an issue, while I've seen some slip neighbors 
with 5 year old yanmars get stranded **knock on wood again**.  It seems to me 
keeping a sailboat engine running smoothly is a combination of maintenance and 
luck.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Joe Della Barba <j...@dellabarba.com> wrote:
> 
> The reason we were able to buy Coquina was the previous owners moved to
> Barnegat Bay and got a C Corvette for shallower draft.
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1054
> 
> btw - beware of "it's a diesel, it must be good". The boats are old enough
> now that you can get a diesel engine on its last mile just as easy as an
> Atomic 4 with raw water cooling rusted 99% of the way out.
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
> 
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
> Doyle via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:44 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38
> 
> Thanks guys.  The wife is actually focusing in on Landfall 38's, but they
> are pricier.  Although, they do seem better suited to cruising.  
> 
> Regarding draft - my home port is on the Barnegat Bay where when you tell
> people you have a 5' draft they say "oh wow... so you a deep draft boat..."
> I've survived with a 5' draft long enough though, and the landfall 38 is
> 4'11".  Every inch helps on the barnegat!
> 
> Going to take a hard look now at the landfall 35 and 38 as well..  Thanks
> guys. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:33 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>> 
>> Re:  Possible upgrade to a C 36
> 
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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Ryan,
  I have owned a 1981 CnC  36 for 6 summers.  My first CnC.  I am very pleased 
with my boat, a fresh water local.  It has won our club championship 3 out of 5 
years, 2nd other two. 
   My keel looks very different as does my rudder. I draw 5' 9".  
   I am sure Fred is right that the numbers say it is more tender than some 
others, but I have never felt it is too tender.  reef and sail below 20* heel 
angle.  
   I sail Lake Michigan and have had her out in 30 and big waves never felt 
unsafe in this boat.
  I paid a lot more for mine, but have full set of high tech race sails, 6 
spinnaker and assortment of weird sails
  Just do your due diligence.  Feel free to contact off list.  
Bill Walker 
CnC  36
Pentwater, Michigan

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On Thursday, August 25, 2016 Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
wrote:
And here is the link Sorry! 
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/C%26C-36-2972935/Tremont/ME/United-States#.V78rN_T3anN

Sent from my iPhone

> 

On Aug 25, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> So the wife and I have been coastal sailing our 30-1 around NY and NJ, and we 
> love her, but of course now that we're more experienced, we're considering 
> taking the jump to some longer distance crusing and we're ***possibly*** 
> looking to sell our beautiful 30-1 that I've worked so hard to restore and 
> move up to a larger boat - ideally with a shallower draft and some nicer 
> amenities.
> 
> I've been looking at this 1981 C 36. Ticks a lot of boxes for us... Shallow 
> draft, significantly bigger, a wheel, and a diesel.
> 
> I know there are a ton of 36 owners on here. Anyone have anything to say 
> about this boat good or bad? Any advice if I go up to look at her? She 
> definitely appears to need a little TLC, but I'm looking for a bargain with 
> good bones that I can fix up like I did my 30-1.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ryan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

No opinion on model other than to pass on the advice I received from a local 
surveyor (ex C foreman- I live in C land). "Buy the newest boat you can 
afford, the got better over time".   I started looking at corvettes, 35 mk1 and 
2, and ended up with a 33mkii.  The older boats are classics, and great, but 3 
years later i think  it was good advice. 

Dave

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:35:08 -0400
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36
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Hey everyone,

So the wife and I have been coastal sailing our 30-1 around NY and NJ, and we 
love her, but of course now that we're more experienced, we're considering 
taking the jump to some longer distance crusing and we're ***possibly*** 
looking to sell our beautiful 30-1 that I've worked so hard to restore and move 
up to a larger boat - ideally with a shallower draft and some nicer amenities.

I've been looking at this 1981 C 36.  Ticks a lot of boxes for us... Shallow 
draft, significantly bigger, a wheel, and a diesel.

I know there are a ton of 36 owners on here.  Anyone have anything to say about 
this boat good or bad?  Any advice if I go up to look at her?  She definitely 
appears to need a little TLC, but I'm looking for a bargain with good bones 
that I can fix up like I did my 30-1.

Thanks in advance,
Ryan
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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

The reason we were able to buy Coquina was the previous owners moved to
Barnegat Bay and got a C Corvette for shallower draft.
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1054

btw - beware of "it's a diesel, it must be good". The boats are old enough
now that you can get a diesel engine on its last mile just as easy as an
Atomic 4 with raw water cooling rusted 99% of the way out.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

Coquina
C 35 MK I

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Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

Thanks guys.  The wife is actually focusing in on Landfall 38's, but they
are pricier.  Although, they do seem better suited to cruising.  

Regarding draft - my home port is on the Barnegat Bay where when you tell
people you have a 5' draft they say "oh wow... so you a deep draft boat..."
I've survived with a 5' draft long enough though, and the landfall 38 is
4'11".  Every inch helps on the barnegat!

Going to take a hard look now at the landfall 35 and 38 as well..  Thanks
guys. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:33 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Re:  Possible upgrade to a C 36

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Damian Greene via CnC-List]

Ryan,I see you're widening your search. If you're still interested in the 36, I 
can take a look at the boat, and get a little background.I'm in Bass Harbor 
Maine, and store my boat for the winter with John Williams (they are in Hall 
Quarry, just a few miles away).Sadly I've just returned from the John Williams 
yard - today was our decommissioning day after our brief summer season on Mount 
Desert Island, and we return Saturday to the UK.Feel free to message me 
off-line.Regards,Damian1982 C 34 GhostBass Harbor, 
mainedamian.gre...@yahoo.com

  From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:36 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36
   
And here is the link Sorry!  
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/C%26C-36-2972935/Tremont/ME/United-States#.V78rN_T3anN

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> So the wife and I have been coastal sailing our 30-1 around NY and NJ, and we 
> love her, but of course now that we're more experienced, we're considering 
> taking the jump to some longer distance crusing and we're ***possibly*** 
> looking to sell our beautiful 30-1 that I've worked so hard to restore and 
> move up to a larger boat - ideally with a shallower draft and some nicer 
> amenities.
> 
> I've been looking at this 1981 C 36.  Ticks a lot of boxes for us... 
> Shallow draft, significantly bigger, a wheel, and a diesel.
> 
> I know there are a ton of 36 owners on here.  Anyone have anything to say 
> about this boat good or bad?  Any advice if I go up to look at her?  She 
> definitely appears to need a little TLC, but I'm looking for a bargain with 
> good bones that I can fix up like I did my 30-1.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ryan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36 - now also landfall 38

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Thanks guys.  The wife is actually focusing in on Landfall 38's, but they are 
pricier.  Although, they do seem better suited to cruising.  

Regarding draft - my home port is on the Barnegat Bay where when you tell 
people you have a 5' draft they say "oh wow... so you a deep draft boat..."  
I've survived with a 5' draft long enough though, and the landfall 38 is 4'11". 
 Every inch helps on the barnegat!

Going to take a hard look now at the landfall 35 and 38 as well..  Thanks guys. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:33 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Re:  Possible upgrade to a C 36

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Landfall 35 is 4'10".  Keel is rather long and the rudder has a partial
skeg.

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Barba via CnC-List
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

Shallower draft than a C 30? They only draw 5 feet. Very few C draw
much less than that.  I wouldn't say 36s are bad, but you have 4 varieties
of 35s, centerboard 37s, and Landfall 38s to look at too. If you REALLY want
to go shallow, the old Frigate 36 is like 3.5 feet board up.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

Coquina
C 35 MK I
Draws just over 5 feet 

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Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 2:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

Ryan,
If you're primarily looking to cruise, you may also consider a Landfall 35
or 38 although they're likely a bit more expensive after everything has been
done to make them seaworthy.  The 35 has a draft under 5' and an ICW
friendly mast height, should your cruising plans take you south from the
NY/NJ area.
>From the listing you show, it appears that the owner stopped "improving" the
boat in 2010.  Does that mean the boat has been sitting since then?  If so,
budget about $1000 per year extra for every year the boat sits unused, above
and beyond the cost of the boat, AND in addition to the reason the owner
decided it was too expensive to fix whatever was keeping him from sailing
the boat to begin with.  Engine, tankage, pumps, running and standing
rigging, steering gear all like to stay functional, moving and lubricated.
If this was a fresh water boat, the cost could scale down a bit, but the
boat seems to be priced as a "fixer-upper"..and the Maine location suggests
it spent time in the ocean.
Happy Hunting!
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic (previously "Orion, the barn find")
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

And here is the link Sorry!  
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/C%26C-36-2972935/Tremont/ME/United-Stat
es#.V78rN_T3anN

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> So the wife and I have been coastal sailing our 30-1 around NY and NJ, 
> and
we love her, but of course now that we're more experienced, we're
considering taking the jump to some longer distance crusing and we're
***possibly*** looking to sell our beautiful 30-1 that I've worked so hard
to restore and move up to a larger boat - ideally with a shallower draft and
some nicer amenities.
> 
> I've been looking at this 1981 C 36.  Ticks a lot of boxes for us...
Shallow draft, significantly bigger, a wheel, and a diesel.
> 
> I know there are a ton of 36 owners on here.  Anyone have anything to 
> say
about this boat good or bad?  Any advice if I go up to look at her?  She
definitely appears to need a little TLC, but I'm looking for a bargain with
good bones that I can fix up like I did my 30-1.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ryan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I vote for the Landfall 38, at 4’-11”… but then, I’m biased.   :^)

Seriously, the stability curve shows the 36 as being a much more tender boat 
than either the 30mkI or the LF38.  FWIW.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Shallower draft than a C 30? They only draw 5 feet. Very few C draw
> much less than that.  I wouldn't say 36s are bad, but you have 4 varieties
> of 35s, centerboard 37s, and Landfall 38s to look at too. If you REALLY want
> to go shallow, the old Frigate 36 is like 3.5 feet board up.
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com 
> 
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
> Draws just over 5 feet 

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Shallower draft than a C 30? They only draw 5 feet. Very few C draw
much less than that.  I wouldn't say 36s are bad, but you have 4 varieties
of 35s, centerboard 37s, and Landfall 38s to look at too. If you REALLY want
to go shallow, the old Frigate 36 is like 3.5 feet board up.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

Coquina
C 35 MK I
Draws just over 5 feet 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 2:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

Ryan,
If you're primarily looking to cruise, you may also consider a Landfall 35
or 38 although they're likely a bit more expensive after everything has been
done to make them seaworthy.  The 35 has a draft under 5' and an ICW
friendly mast height, should your cruising plans take you south from the
NY/NJ area.
>From the listing you show, it appears that the owner stopped "improving" the
boat in 2010.  Does that mean the boat has been sitting since then?  If so,
budget about $1000 per year extra for every year the boat sits unused, above
and beyond the cost of the boat, AND in addition to the reason the owner
decided it was too expensive to fix whatever was keeping him from sailing
the boat to begin with.  Engine, tankage, pumps, running and standing
rigging, steering gear all like to stay functional, moving and lubricated.
If this was a fresh water boat, the cost could scale down a bit, but the
boat seems to be priced as a "fixer-upper"..and the Maine location suggests
it spent time in the ocean.
Happy Hunting!
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic (previously "Orion, the barn find")
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

And here is the link Sorry!  
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/C%26C-36-2972935/Tremont/ME/United-Stat
es#.V78rN_T3anN

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> So the wife and I have been coastal sailing our 30-1 around NY and NJ, 
> and
we love her, but of course now that we're more experienced, we're
considering taking the jump to some longer distance crusing and we're
***possibly*** looking to sell our beautiful 30-1 that I've worked so hard
to restore and move up to a larger boat - ideally with a shallower draft and
some nicer amenities.
> 
> I've been looking at this 1981 C 36.  Ticks a lot of boxes for us...
Shallow draft, significantly bigger, a wheel, and a diesel.
> 
> I know there are a ton of 36 owners on here.  Anyone have anything to 
> say
about this boat good or bad?  Any advice if I go up to look at her?  She
definitely appears to need a little TLC, but I'm looking for a bargain with
good bones that I can fix up like I did my 30-1.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ryan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Ryan,
If you're primarily looking to cruise, you may also consider a Landfall 35
or 38 although they're likely a bit more expensive after everything has been
done to make them seaworthy.  The 35 has a draft under 5' and an ICW
friendly mast height, should your cruising plans take you south from the
NY/NJ area.
>From the listing you show, it appears that the owner stopped "improving" the
boat in 2010.  Does that mean the boat has been sitting since then?  If so,
budget about $1000 per year extra for every year the boat sits unused, above
and beyond the cost of the boat, AND in addition to the reason the owner
decided it was too expensive to fix whatever was keeping him from sailing
the boat to begin with.  Engine, tankage, pumps, running and standing
rigging, steering gear all like to stay functional, moving and lubricated.
If this was a fresh water boat, the cost could scale down a bit, but the
boat seems to be priced as a "fixer-upper"..and the Maine location suggests
it spent time in the ocean.
Happy Hunting!
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic (previously "Orion, the barn find")
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:36 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

And here is the link Sorry!  
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/C%26C-36-2972935/Tremont/ME/United-Stat
es#.V78rN_T3anN

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> So the wife and I have been coastal sailing our 30-1 around NY and NJ, and
we love her, but of course now that we're more experienced, we're
considering taking the jump to some longer distance crusing and we're
***possibly*** looking to sell our beautiful 30-1 that I've worked so hard
to restore and move up to a larger boat - ideally with a shallower draft and
some nicer amenities.
> 
> I've been looking at this 1981 C 36.  Ticks a lot of boxes for us...
Shallow draft, significantly bigger, a wheel, and a diesel.
> 
> I know there are a ton of 36 owners on here.  Anyone have anything to say
about this boat good or bad?  Any advice if I go up to look at her?  She
definitely appears to need a little TLC, but I'm looking for a bargain with
good bones that I can fix up like I did my 30-1.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ryan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Cool!
Very much like the 35/3, except for the dining table.  No spinnaker
winches.   Wheel pilot is undersized for the boat under sail. Cockpit is
good for 4, crowded for 6.  Standing rigging probably needs to be reheaded
or replaced.  Windows were redone and thru-bolted.
Great price if decks are dry.

Joel


On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> And here is the link Sorry!
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/C%26C-36-2972935/
> Tremont/ME/United-States#.V78rN_T3anN
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 25, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > So the wife and I have been coastal sailing our 30-1 around NY and NJ,
> and we love her, but of course now that we're more experienced, we're
> considering taking the jump to some longer distance crusing and we're
> ***possibly*** looking to sell our beautiful 30-1 that I've worked so hard
> to restore and move up to a larger boat - ideally with a shallower draft
> and some nicer amenities.
> >
> > I've been looking at this 1981 C 36.  Ticks a lot of boxes for us...
> Shallow draft, significantly bigger, a wheel, and a diesel.
> >
> > I know there are a ton of 36 owners on here.  Anyone have anything to
> say about this boat good or bad?  Any advice if I go up to look at her?
> She definitely appears to need a little TLC, but I'm looking for a bargain
> with good bones that I can fix up like I did my 30-1.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Ryan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: Stus-List Possible upgrade to a C 36

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

And here is the link Sorry!  
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/C%26C-36-2972935/Tremont/ME/United-States#.V78rN_T3anN

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Ryan Doyle  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> So the wife and I have been coastal sailing our 30-1 around NY and NJ, and we 
> love her, but of course now that we're more experienced, we're considering 
> taking the jump to some longer distance crusing and we're ***possibly*** 
> looking to sell our beautiful 30-1 that I've worked so hard to restore and 
> move up to a larger boat - ideally with a shallower draft and some nicer 
> amenities.
> 
> I've been looking at this 1981 C 36.  Ticks a lot of boxes for us... 
> Shallow draft, significantly bigger, a wheel, and a diesel.
> 
> I know there are a ton of 36 owners on here.  Anyone have anything to say 
> about this boat good or bad?  Any advice if I go up to look at her?  She 
> definitely appears to need a little TLC, but I'm looking for a bargain with 
> good bones that I can fix up like I did my 30-1.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ryan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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