Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Whats all this discussion have to do with a prop shaft?
 
Richard
 
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From: Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Bruno Lachance 
Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2019 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

The 35 mkII has a lot of qualities and is fast, long waterline/ OAL makes for a 
fast boat, solid hull... very stiff boat, reasonable draft, list goes on. It's 
a very good design. One thing I like is the V profiled bow that slices the 
waves and doesn't slam like my 33 mkII or other more recent C I don't know 
the equipment nor the condition of everything, but if the condition of the boat 
is good, which is the no 1 priority for a boat that age and if it's the boat 
that suits you, the price is not bad. Cnd $ is cheap money! 
But don't fall in love, inspect the boat and go for a sea trial. If all the 
lights are green, then go for it and in a year you should not regret paying a 
few thousands over what you wanted for the boat you wanted... if you keep it 
for a while.
I'm a cheap Canadian sailor, but I paid what I considered a high price for my 
boat few years ago. But to me she's worth it and we love our boat.
Bruno LachanceBécassine, 33mkIINew Richmond, Qc 

Envoyé de mon iPad
Le 12 avr. 2019 à 18:26, Shawn Wright via CnC-List  a 
écrit :


Hi Bruno,
Yes, the Niagara 35 (newer Encore) has been on our list ever since we saw some 
YT videos of a couple cruising on one - the newer layout looks ideal. The older 
layout is spacious, but quite different from anything I've seen in this size.
Just got back from viewing it, and it's been well used, and cruised all over. 
Lots of custom mods that need to become firewood asap, wood dodger, wood topped 
bimini with two radar domes, etc. If I'd seen this 4-6 months ago when I had 
time to do the work, I might consider it a challenge, but I think it would take 
me a month just to strip all the crap off of it and fill the holes! It's a 
donated boat at SALTS in Victoria, so they will spend the time to clean it up, 
and it will probably look ok by then, but I hope to be sailing before that 
happens.
Had another look at the C 35 on the way, took some more photos, and still 
didn't see anything too scary, but the issue with the prop shaft is another one 
to put on the list, along with the ugly hard dodger (although it is well 
built), the hastily built solar panel "arch", and a few other items I'd want to 
change. Essentially, even we get a chance at the boat, it may be that the value 
to us is lower than what he's prepared to accept. He has been trying to sell it 
for a year though...

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Shawn, the Niagara 35 is a very solid, well built in my opinion and seaworthy 
boat. Pretty roomy for a 35 of that era but you are right, the layout is not 
for everybody.
I don't know your program, BUT the Niagara is painful and does terrible angles 
upwind. It's just a different sailplan compared to a C
Good luck.
Bruno.
Envoyé de mon iPad
Le 12 avr. 2019 à 10:35, Shawn Wright via CnC-List  a 
écrit :


Thanks all for the good info. According to the specs, the boat has a 1" shaft 
with a 3 blade bronze prop. There is a spare 2 blade elliptic with shaft. What 
I am not sure about is whether this photo is with the 3 blade or 2 blade prop. 
I suspect the 2 blade prop and shaft are from the previous A4 engine. 
I will definitely want a surveyor to inspect this closely, and will of course 
do a sea trial at all engine speeds if/when the time comes.
Today, I'm off to look at a Niagara 35, with a melon sized dent in the keel. 
Mostly for curiosity, as the unusual early interior in this 1980 model is not 
well suited for a couple, given the lack of a proper double, except in the 
salon. I quite like the later Encore layout in this boat though, but they 
usually sell for more than we can afford.
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 5:54 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hi Shawn,

I had about 4" over hang between the cutlass bearing and the prop hub on the 
35-1. It was necessary to move the prop aft and get hull clearance when 
repowering and going to a larger prop. No sense in putting in a large engine if 
you can't put that horsepower into the water effectively.

I was able to do it because I went from a 7/8" shaft to a 1 1/8" diameter.

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet, 35 mk1




At 09:03 PM 4/11/2019, you wrote:

I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop shaft 
beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874

It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before the 
prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a survey 
on a boat I was considering where the surveyor comme

Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey Shawn,
That prop shaft looks obscenely too long. Check other boats at the yard and you 
will see only an inch or two of shaft between the actual prop body and the 
strut. Some space is required to allow water to exit the cutless bearing which 
is how it stays cool and lubricated. I'd want to shorten that shaft by 
disconnecting it at the transmission, removing it and cutting off the excess 
from that end. You may have to take it to a machine shop. The prop end is 
usually tapered and keyed, while the transmission end is keyed only.

That dodger looks pretty amazing. Is it well made?

Chuck S


> On April 12, 2019 at 12:03 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop 
> shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:
> 
> 
> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
>  
> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
> 
> It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before 
> the prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a 
> survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor commented on excessive 
> prop shaft extension as a possible cause of vibration. As this boat has a VW 
> diesel (not sure of the transmission), I am wondered if the shaft might be 
> too long.
> 
> How does this compare with other 35s?
> 
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

The 35 mkII has a lot of qualities and is fast, long waterline/ OAL makes for a 
fast boat, solid hull... very stiff boat, reasonable draft, list goes on. It's 
a very good design. One thing I like is the V profiled bow that slices the 
waves and doesn't slam like my 33 mkII or other more recent C I don't know 
the equipment nor the condition of everything, but if the condition of the boat 
is good, which is the no 1 priority for a boat that age and if it's the boat 
that suits you, the price is not bad. Cnd $ is cheap money!

But don't fall in love, inspect the boat and go for a sea trial. If all the 
lights are green, then go for it and in a year you should not regret paying a 
few thousands over what you wanted for the boat you wanted... if you keep it 
for a while.

I'm a cheap Canadian sailor, but I paid what I considered a high price for my 
boat few years ago. But to me she's worth it and we love our boat.

Bruno Lachance
Bécassine, 33mkII
New Richmond, Qc

Envoyé de mon iPad

Le 12 avr. 2019 à 18:26, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :

Hi Bruno,

Yes, the Niagara 35 (newer Encore) has been on our list ever since we saw some 
YT videos of a couple cruising on one - the newer layout looks ideal. The older 
layout is spacious, but quite different from anything I've seen in this size.

Just got back from viewing it, and it's been well used, and cruised all over. 
Lots of custom mods that need to become firewood asap, wood dodger, wood topped 
bimini with two radar domes, etc. If I'd seen this 4-6 months ago when I had 
time to do the work, I might consider it a challenge, but I think it would take 
me a month just to strip all the crap off of it and fill the holes! It's a 
donated boat at SALTS in Victoria, so they will spend the time to clean it up, 
and it will probably look ok by then, but I hope to be sailing before that 
happens.

Had another look at the C 35 on the way, took some more photos, and still 
didn't see anything too scary, but the issue with the prop shaft is another one 
to put on the list, along with the ugly hard dodger (although it is well 
built), the hastily built solar panel "arch", and a few other items I'd want to 
change. Essentially, even we get a chance at the boat, it may be that the value 
to us is lower than what he's prepared to accept. He has been trying to sell it 
for a year though...


On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Shawn, the Niagara 35 is a very solid, well built in my opinion and seaworthy 
boat. Pretty roomy for a 35 of that era but you are right, the layout is not 
for everybody.

I don't know your program, BUT the Niagara is painful and does terrible angles 
upwind. It's just a different sailplan compared to a C

Good luck.

Bruno.

Envoyé de mon iPad

Le 12 avr. 2019 à 10:35, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :

Thanks all for the good info. According to the specs, the boat has a 1" shaft 
with a 3 blade bronze prop. There is a spare 2 blade elliptic with shaft. What 
I am not sure about is whether this photo is with the 3 blade or 2 blade prop. 
I suspect the 2 blade prop and shaft are from the previous A4 engine.

I will definitely want a surveyor to inspect this closely, and will of course 
do a sea trial at all engine speeds if/when the time comes.

Today, I'm off to look at a Niagara 35, with a melon sized dent in the keel. 
Mostly for curiosity, as the unusual early interior in this 1980 model is not 
well suited for a couple, given the lack of a proper double, except in the 
salon. I quite like the later Encore layout in this boat though, but they 
usually sell for more than we can afford.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 5:54 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi Shawn,

I had about 4" over hang between the cutlass bearing and the prop hub on the 
35-1. It was necessary to move the prop aft and get hull clearance when 
repowering and going to a larger prop. No sense in putting in a large engine if 
you can't put that horsepower into the water effectively.

I was able to do it because I went from a 7/8" shaft to a 1 1/8" diameter.

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet, 35 mk1




At 09:03 PM 4/11/2019, you wrote:
I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop shaft 
beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874

It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before the 
prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a survey 
on a boat I was considering where the surveyor commented on excessive prop 
shaft extension as a possible cause of vibration. As this boat has a VW diesel 
(not sure of the transmission), I am wondered if the shaft might be too long.

How does this compare with other 35s?

--
Shawn Wright

Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks Don, this is great info, and I will certainly question the owner on
this if we get to that point. They've had it for 3 years and have cruised
Desolation Sound (where they must have motored quite a lot), so if there is
an issue with vibration, he would have noticed. If it comes to a sea trial,
I will try to get someone more experienced than I to come along for the
ride.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:17 AM Don Kern via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> Just went outside to look at Fireball's prop /shaft.  She is close to the
> original arrangement that came from the factory with the Atomic (now
> rebuilt 2x).  She has newer replacement Martec 2 bladed folding prop that
> is 1 5/8" aft of the strut with a radius that meets the recommended hull
> clearance to keep vibration to a minimum.  I agree with Gary that that much
> unsupported shaft is a good way to get vibration.  The shaft on Fireball
> was replaced because the prop tip was 1/8" out of alignment due to a line
> getting wrapped around the shaft/prop causing vibration.  Was amazed that
> so little shaft aft the strut could be bent.
> Don Kern
> Fireball 12708
> Bristol RI
>
>
>
> On 4/12/2019 12:03 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop
> shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:
>
>
> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
>
> It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before the
> prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a
> survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor commented on
> excessive prop shaft extension as a possible cause of vibration. As this
> boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the transmission), I am wondered if the
> shaft might be too long.
>
> How does this compare with other 35s?
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Bruno,

Yes, the Niagara 35 (newer Encore) has been on our list ever since we saw
some YT videos of a couple cruising on one - the newer layout looks ideal.
The older layout is spacious, but quite different from anything I've seen
in this size.

Just got back from viewing it, and it's been well used, and cruised all
over. Lots of custom mods that need to become firewood asap, wood dodger,
wood topped bimini with two radar domes, etc. If I'd seen this 4-6 months
ago when I had time to do the work, I might consider it a challenge, but I
think it would take me a month just to strip all the crap off of it and
fill the holes! It's a donated boat at SALTS in Victoria, so they will
spend the time to clean it up, and it will probably look ok by then, but I
hope to be sailing before that happens.

Had another look at the C 35 on the way, took some more photos, and still
didn't see anything too scary, but the issue with the prop shaft is another
one to put on the list, along with the ugly hard dodger (although it is
well built), the hastily built solar panel "arch", and a few other items
I'd want to change. Essentially, even we get a chance at the boat, it may
be that the value to us is lower than what he's prepared to accept. He has
been trying to sell it for a year though...


On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM Bruno Lachance via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Shawn, the Niagara 35 is a very solid, well built in my opinion and
> seaworthy boat. Pretty roomy for a 35 of that era but you are right, the
> layout is not for everybody.
>
> I don't know your program, BUT the Niagara is painful and does terrible
> angles upwind. It's just a different sailplan compared to a C
>
> Good luck.
>
> Bruno.
>
> Envoyé de mon iPad
>
> Le 12 avr. 2019 à 10:35, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> a écrit :
>
> Thanks all for the good info. According to the specs, the boat has a 1"
> shaft with a 3 blade bronze prop. There is a spare 2 blade elliptic with
> shaft. What I am not sure about is whether this photo is with the 3 blade
> or 2 blade prop. I suspect the 2 blade prop and shaft are from the previous
> A4 engine.
>
> I will definitely want a surveyor to inspect this closely, and will of
> course do a sea trial at all engine speeds if/when the time comes.
>
> Today, I'm off to look at a Niagara 35, with a melon sized dent in the
> keel. Mostly for curiosity, as the unusual early interior in this 1980
> model is not well suited for a couple, given the lack of a proper double,
> except in the salon. I quite like the later Encore layout in this boat
> though, but they usually sell for more than we can afford.
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 5:54 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Shawn,
>>
>> I had about 4" over hang between the cutlass bearing and the prop hub on
>> the 35-1. It was necessary to move the prop aft and get hull clearance when
>> repowering and going to a larger prop. No sense in putting in a large
>> engine if you can't put that horsepower into the water effectively.
>>
>> I was able to do it because I went from a 7/8" shaft to a 1 1/8" diameter.
>>
>> Cheers, Russ
>> ex-* Sweet*, 35 mk1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 09:03 PM 4/11/2019, you wrote:
>>
>> I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop
>> shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:
>>
>>
>> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
>>
>> It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before
>> the prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a
>> survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor commented on
>> excessive prop shaft extension as a possible cause of vibration. As this
>> boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the transmission), I am wondered if the
>> shaft might be too long.
>>
>> How does this compare with other 35s?
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> ___
>>
>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>
>> ___
>>
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>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>>
>>
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>
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> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

Shawn, the Niagara 35 is a very solid, well built in my opinion and seaworthy 
boat. Pretty roomy for a 35 of that era but you are right, the layout is not 
for everybody.

I don't know your program, BUT the Niagara is painful and does terrible angles 
upwind. It's just a different sailplan compared to a C

Good luck.

Bruno.

Envoyé de mon iPad

Le 12 avr. 2019 à 10:35, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :

Thanks all for the good info. According to the specs, the boat has a 1" shaft 
with a 3 blade bronze prop. There is a spare 2 blade elliptic with shaft. What 
I am not sure about is whether this photo is with the 3 blade or 2 blade prop. 
I suspect the 2 blade prop and shaft are from the previous A4 engine.

I will definitely want a surveyor to inspect this closely, and will of course 
do a sea trial at all engine speeds if/when the time comes.

Today, I'm off to look at a Niagara 35, with a melon sized dent in the keel. 
Mostly for curiosity, as the unusual early interior in this 1980 model is not 
well suited for a couple, given the lack of a proper double, except in the 
salon. I quite like the later Encore layout in this boat though, but they 
usually sell for more than we can afford.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 5:54 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi Shawn,

I had about 4" over hang between the cutlass bearing and the prop hub on the 
35-1. It was necessary to move the prop aft and get hull clearance when 
repowering and going to a larger prop. No sense in putting in a large engine if 
you can't put that horsepower into the water effectively.

I was able to do it because I went from a 7/8" shaft to a 1 1/8" diameter.

Cheers, Russ
ex- Sweet, 35 mk1




At 09:03 PM 4/11/2019, you wrote:
I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop shaft 
beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874

It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before the 
prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a survey 
on a boat I was considering where the surveyor commented on excessive prop 
shaft extension as a possible cause of vibration. As this boat has a VW diesel 
(not sure of the transmission), I am wondered if the shaft might be too long.

How does this compare with other 35s?

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Shawn,

Just went outside to look at Fireball's prop /shaft.  She is close to 
the original arrangement that came from the factory with the Atomic (now 
rebuilt 2x).  She has newer replacement Martec 2 bladed folding prop 
that is 1 5/8" aft of the strut with a radius that meets the recommended 
hull clearance to keep vibration to a minimum.  I agree with Gary that 
that much unsupported shaft is a good way to get vibration.  The shaft 
on Fireball was replaced because the prop tip was 1/8" out of alignment 
due to a line getting wrapped around the shaft/prop causing vibration.  
Was amazed that so little shaft aft the strut could be bent.


Don Kern
Fireball 12708
Bristol RI



On 4/12/2019 12:03 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop 
shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:


http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874

It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before 
the prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall 
reading a survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor 
commented on excessive prop shaft extension as a possible cause of 
vibration. As this boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the 
transmission), I am wondered if the shaft might be too long.


How does this compare with other 35s?

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com 

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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Enjoy dreaming.


> On April 12, 2019 at 10:34 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks all for the good info. According to the specs, the boat has a 1" 
> shaft with a 3 blade bronze prop. There is a spare 2 blade elliptic with 
> shaft. What I am not sure about is whether this photo is with the 3 blade or 
> 2 blade prop. I suspect the 2 blade prop and shaft are from the previous A4 
> engine. 
> 
> I will definitely want a surveyor to inspect this closely, and will of 
> course do a sea trial at all engine speeds if/when the time comes.
> 
> Today, I'm off to look at a Niagara 35, with a melon sized dent in the 
> keel. Mostly for curiosity, as the unusual early interior in this 1980 model 
> is not well suited for a couple, given the lack of a proper double, except in 
> the salon. I quite like the later Encore layout in this boat though, but they 
> usually sell for more than we can afford.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 5:54 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Hi Shawn,
> > 
> > I had about 4" over hang between the cutlass bearing and the prop 
> > hub on the 35-1. It was necessary to move the prop aft and get hull 
> > clearance when repowering and going to a larger prop. No sense in putting 
> > in a large engine if you can't put that horsepower into the water 
> > effectively.
> > 
> > I was able to do it because I went from a 7/8" shaft to a 1 1/8" 
> > diameter.
> > 
> >  Cheers, Russ
> >  ex- Sweet, 35 mk1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > At 09:03 PM 4/11/2019, you wrote:
> > 
> > > > > I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension 
> > of the prop shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
> > >  
> > > http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
> > > 
> > > It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the 
> > > support before the prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I 
> > > recall reading a survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor 
> > > commented on excessive prop shaft extension as a possible cause of 
> > > vibration. As this boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the transmission), I 
> > > am wondered if the shaft might be too long.
> > > 
> > > How does this compare with other 35s?
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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks all for the good info. According to the specs, the boat has a 1"
shaft with a 3 blade bronze prop. There is a spare 2 blade elliptic with
shaft. What I am not sure about is whether this photo is with the 3 blade
or 2 blade prop. I suspect the 2 blade prop and shaft are from the previous
A4 engine.

I will definitely want a surveyor to inspect this closely, and will of
course do a sea trial at all engine speeds if/when the time comes.

Today, I'm off to look at a Niagara 35, with a melon sized dent in the
keel. Mostly for curiosity, as the unusual early interior in this 1980
model is not well suited for a couple, given the lack of a proper double,
except in the salon. I quite like the later Encore layout in this boat
though, but they usually sell for more than we can afford.

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 5:54 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Shawn,
>
> I had about 4" over hang between the cutlass bearing and the prop hub on
> the 35-1. It was necessary to move the prop aft and get hull clearance when
> repowering and going to a larger prop. No sense in putting in a large
> engine if you can't put that horsepower into the water effectively.
>
> I was able to do it because I went from a 7/8" shaft to a 1 1/8" diameter.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> ex-* Sweet*, 35 mk1
>
>
>
>
> At 09:03 PM 4/11/2019, you wrote:
>
> I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop
> shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:
>
>
> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
>
> It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before the
> prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a
> survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor commented on
> excessive prop shaft extension as a possible cause of vibration. As this
> boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the transmission), I am wondered if the
> shaft might be too long.
>
> How does this compare with other 35s?
>
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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn,

I had about 4" over hang between the cutlass bearing and the prop hub 
on the 35-1. It was necessary to move the prop aft and get hull 
clearance when repowering and going to a larger prop. No sense in 
putting in a large engine if you can't put that horsepower into the 
water effectively.


I was able to do it because I went from a 7/8" shaft to a 1 1/8" diameter.

Cheers, Russ
ex-Sweet, 35 mk1




At 09:03 PM 4/11/2019, you wrote:
I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the 
prop shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:


http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874

It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support 
before the prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I 
recall reading a survey on a boat I was considering where the 
surveyor commented on excessive prop shaft extension as a possible 
cause of vibration. As this boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the 
transmission), I am wondered if the shaft might be too long.


How does this compare with other 35s?

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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Kurt Heckert via CnC-List]

Heart & Soul has about 3 inches between the strut and the prop, she also only 
has an inch or 2 between prop tips and the hull. I may wind up replacing the 
prop as she is being repowered, going from the original A-bomb to a Beta 20.

Kurt & Connie Heckert
C 35mk2
Heart & Soul

On Fri, 4/12/19, Gary Russell via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2
 To: "C List" 
 Cc: "Gary Russell" 
 Date: Friday, April 12, 2019, 6:19 AM
 
 Good point
 Neil.  I had to put a 3 blade prop on my 35 Mk II.  A two
 blade prop would get the blade tips too close to the hull
 (which would also cause vibration).  Shawn's boat
 appears to have a 2 blade prop and an extended shaft to get
 the blades away from the hull.  Not a good approach in my
 opinion.
 Gary
 ~~~_/)~~
 
 
 
 On Fri, Apr 12,
 2019 at 12:04 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long
 extension of the prop shaft beyond the support on the 35-2
 pictured here:
 
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
 It looks like there is at least
 12" of shaft beyond the support before the prop, and
 bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading
 a survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor
 commented on excessive prop shaft extension as a possible
 cause of vibration. As this boat has a VW diesel (not sure
 of the transmission), I am wondered if the shaft might be
 too long.
 How does
 this compare with other 35s?
 
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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Good point Neil.  I had to put a 3 blade prop on my 35 Mk II.  A two blade
prop would get the blade tips too close to the hull (which would also cause
vibration).  Shawn's boat appears to have a 2 blade prop and an extended
shaft to get the blades away from the hull.  Not a good approach in my
opinion.

Gary
~~~_/)~~



On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:04 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop
> shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:
>
>
> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
>
> It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before the
> prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a
> survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor commented on
> excessive prop shaft extension as a possible cause of vibration. As this
> boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the transmission), I am wondered if the
> shaft might be too long.
>
> How does this compare with other 35s?
>
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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

My 35 Mk II had about 3" between the strut and the prop.  12" is very long
and could possible contribute to vibration.  I can't imagine why someone
would do that.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:04 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop
> shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:
>
>
> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874
>
> It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before the
> prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a
> survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor commented on
> excessive prop shaft extension as a possible cause of vibration. As this
> boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the transmission), I am wondered if the
> shaft might be too long.
>
> How does this compare with other 35s?
>
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Re: Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Shawn,

My 35-1 has about 4 inches of shaft between the strut and the front edge 
of the prop.  Maybe the 35-2 has a different placement of the strut and 
prop than the 35-1, but I would agree whats on that boat seems  a bit 
longer than desirable.   Can't quite tell from the photo but it appears 
that if the prop were much more forward from where it is the blade tips 
are going to get pretty close to the hull, also not great from a 
vibration standpoint.  Possibly the strut's been moved forward?


On the other hand, the previous owner used it as it is, so  good chance 
its acceptable.  Are you doing a sea trial before purchase?


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 4/12/2019 12:03 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:
I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop 
shaft beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:


http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874

It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before 
the prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall 
reading a survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor 
commented on excessive prop shaft extension as a possible cause of 
vibration. As this boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the 
transmission), I am wondered if the shaft might be too long.


How does this compare with other 35s?

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shawngwri...@gmail.com 


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Stus-List Prop shaft support on 35-2

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I just noticed what appears to be a fairly long extension of the prop shaft
beyond the support on the 35-2 pictured here:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=168876=1524980874

It looks like there is at least 12" of shaft beyond the support before the
prop, and bit less between the hull and the support. I recall reading a
survey on a boat I was considering where the surveyor commented on
excessive prop shaft extension as a possible cause of vibration. As this
boat has a VW diesel (not sure of the transmission), I am wondered if the
shaft might be too long.

How does this compare with other 35s?

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shawngwri...@gmail.com
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