Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Another option is to wait for stong wind and attempt to sail under 
close hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone tried this?
Nope - but I would strongly recommend against it!  You might get heeled 
over enough to get under - but what happens when the wind shifts or 
worse gets blocked out by the bridge and your mast pops upright while 
your underneath?


Weights or a dinghy out to the side are far more consistent

Mark

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana

On 2021-05-04 5:53 p.m., Dan via CnC-List wrote:

Thanks everyone.
The measurements came from when I had the mast on the ground, i 
measured from the spartite to the top, and also the entire length. 
Just looking for confirmation from another 44 owner to make absolutely 
sure. The bridge has a tide marker on it and the tide is not too 
strong here so we won't go for it unless we are sure. Just looking at 
the pilings here it looks like the tide drops 1 or maybe 1.5 ft... not 
promising. Will probably go up and remove all the head gear. Another 
option is to wait for stong wind and attempt to sail under close 
hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone tried this?

Dan



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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Back in the 80’s I crewed on J-24s when not doing foredeck on offshore boats.  
In the Seattle area there are J-24 races on both Lake Washington and Puget 
Sound.  The boats I crewed on often participated in both fleets the same week.  
To transit from Lk WA to PS included going under 4 bridges and the Ballard 
Locks.  This was often done after a few post race beverages.

So, one evening we decided to attempt heeling the J-24 over enough to go under 
the LK WA Ship Canal’s Fremont bridge.  As we approached the narrow passage one 
crew went up the mast and another on the boom gave enough heel to make it look 
possible.

Fortunately we determined that heeling over far enough to clear the bridge 
lifted the rudder out of the water = zero steering ability before we were 
trapped under the bridge.  Also, it was good that most of my more entertaining 
nautical performances occurred prior to cell phone cameras and YouTube.

FYI, I sailed the J-24s enough to get a chance to crew in the 1989 J-24 worlds 
in Kingston including the road trips that go along with that level of 
competition.  In the 10 years working up to that event we had many 
opportunities to perfect stupid people tricks like heeling the J over 90 
degrees, having a crew climb up the mast then all other crew jumping into the 
water providing a sling shot ride to the guy up the mast.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle/Port Townsend’s boat yard

From: Dan via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 1:54 PM
To: Stus-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dan<mailto:dgcorm...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

Thanks everyone.
The measurements came from when I had the mast on the ground, i measured from 
the spartite to the top, and also the entire length. Just looking for 
confirmation from another 44 owner to make absolutely sure. The bridge has a 
tide marker on it and the tide is not too strong here so we won't go for it 
unless we are sure. Just looking at the pilings here it looks like the tide 
drops 1 or maybe 1.5 ft... not promising. Will probably go up and remove all 
the head gear. Another option is to wait for stong wind and attempt to sail 
under close hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone tried this?
Dan


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks, yes, i watched this. I have no issues trying this, just would need
to locate a plastic barrel or some large heavy duty bags like that. I will
certainly post and video the whole thing if we attempt that!

Dan
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That might work, but you will probably shit your pants as you come under it.

You might experiment with 4 or 500 pounds of garbage hung off your halyard and 
see how much of a lean you get.

 

85 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiv0fxFcV3I&t=151s>  Ft Mast Under A 65 Ft 
Bridge - YouTube

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Dan via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 4:54 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dan
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

 

Thanks everyone.

The measurements came from when I had the mast on the ground, i measured from 
the spartite to the top, and also the entire length. Just looking for 
confirmation from another 44 owner to make absolutely sure. The bridge has a 
tide marker on it and the tide is not too strong here so we won't go for it 
unless we are sure. Just looking at the pilings here it looks like the tide 
drops 1 or maybe 1.5 ft... not promising. Will probably go up and remove all 
the head gear. Another option is to wait for stong wind and attempt to sail 
under close hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone tried this?

Dan

 

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 3:14 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
wrote:

A Pig Stick!  That is the best suggestion yet.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:01 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

 

I taped a long stick onto Touche's main halyard.  I taped a 100 foot tape to 
the top of the stick.  I hauled the stick up and adjusted the hoist until the 
tape was even with the bird spike on my Windex.  Then I swung the tape to the 
water.  ~50 feet.  Touche's VHF antenna is another couple feet.

 

  -- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:43 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main halyard, 
added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the waterline, and 
added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of the halyard to the 
top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate measurement.




Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 




 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone.
The measurements came from when I had the mast on the ground, i measured
from the spartite to the top, and also the entire length. Just looking for
confirmation from another 44 owner to make absolutely sure. The bridge has
a tide marker on it and the tide is not too strong here so we won't go for
it unless we are sure. Just looking at the pilings here it looks like the
tide drops 1 or maybe 1.5 ft... not promising. Will probably go up and
remove all the head gear. Another option is to wait for stong wind and
attempt to sail under close hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone
tried this?
Dan

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 3:14 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A Pig Stick!  That is the best suggestion yet.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:01 PM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge
> Clearance
>
>
>
> I taped a long stick onto Touche's main halyard.  I taped a 100 foot tape
> to the top of the stick.  I hauled the stick up and adjusted the hoist
> until the tape was even with the bird spike on my Windex.  Then I swung the
> tape to the water.  ~50 feet.  Touche's VHF antenna is another couple feet.
>
>
>
>   --
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:43 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main
> halyard, added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the
> waterline, and added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of
> the halyard to the top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate
> measurement.
>
>
> Alan Bergen
>
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>
> Rose City YC
>
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

A Pig Stick!  That is the best suggestion yet.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:01 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

 

I taped a long stick onto Touche's main halyard.  I taped a 100 foot tape to 
the top of the stick.  I hauled the stick up and adjusted the hoist until the 
tape was even with the bird spike on my Windex.  Then I swung the tape to the 
water.  ~50 feet.  Touche's VHF antenna is another couple feet.

 

  -- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:43 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main halyard, 
added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the waterline, and 
added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of the halyard to the 
top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate measurement.




Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 




 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I taped a long stick onto Touche's main halyard.  I taped a 100 foot tape
to the top of the stick.  I hauled the stick up and adjusted the hoist
until the tape was even with the bird spike on my Windex.  Then I swung the
tape to the water.  ~50 feet.  Touche's VHF antenna is another couple feet.

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:43 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main
> halyard, added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the
> waterline, and added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of
> the halyard to the top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate
> measurement.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main
halyard, added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the
waterline, and added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of
the halyard to the top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate
measurement.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:34 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> More than one C&C has a short and tall rig version, so I would
> double-check that.
>
> I would go through at low tide too, that will gain you a few feet.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 4, 2021 12:43 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Chris Riedinger 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance
>
>
>
> Sounds close. I would back down to it
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2021, 7:55 AM Dan via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> We are in Jacksonville Fl. And planning to go under the Buckman Bridge
> which has a clearance at mean high water of 65'. I read that there is a 5'
> tide change here in Jacksonville. I calculated our clearance from the
> waterline to 63'8" (not including antennae) can another C&C44 owner please
> confirm this with me that my calculations are accurate before we attempt
> this bridge? (At low tide)
>
>
>
> C&C44 mast specs:
>
> Mast 65’5” total, 58’5” deck to masthead, 7’ below decks
> 63' 8" our waterline to top of mast (minus antennae)
>
>
>
> Thanks so much,
>
>
>
> Dan Cormier
>
> Breakaweigh
>
> C&C44
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> CANADA
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Doing a delivery on the ICW with a boat that had steps, I used to run up to the 
top of the mast and look at the bridge clearance up close. That is fun if you 
don’t hit anything!
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

More than one C&C has a short and tall rig version, so I would double-check 
that.
I would go through at low tide too, that will gain you a few feet.


Joe Della Barba



From: Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 12:43 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Chris Riedinger 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

Sounds close. I would back down to it

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 7:55 AM Dan via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
We are in Jacksonville Fl. And planning to go under the Buckman Bridge which 
has a clearance at mean high water of 65'. I read that there is a 5' tide 
change here in Jacksonville. I calculated our clearance from the waterline to 
63'8" (not including antennae) can another C&C44 owner please confirm this with 
me that my calculations are accurate before we attempt this bridge? (At low 
tide)

C&C44 mast specs:
Mast 65’5” total, 58’5” deck to masthead, 7’ below decks
63' 8" our waterline to top of mast (minus antennae)

Thanks so much,

Dan Cormier
Breakaweigh
C&C44
Halifax, NS
CANADA
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