Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I didn’t mean literally calling Moyer Marine, they have an active forum full of 
good advice:
https://www.moyermarineforum.com/forums/index.php

Joe
Coquina
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[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Thks everyone ken at Moyermarine is awesome just need two more like him
So if something happens to him
Or just want get our project done faster
For now I’ll try to take the head off if that not too complicated

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 2:25 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I shredded several knuckles on my 35 MK1 working on the A4.  Moyer is
> indeed the best source for info and support.
>
> For electronics, in addition to the distributor, check your plug wires
> too.  Make sure the plugs and points are properly gapped.
>
> I agree that sticking valves are often the issue.  The nice thing about
> the flathead A4 is that you can see the valves through the spark plug
> hole.  Put some Marvel Mystery Oil into each cylinder.  Then hand crank the
> engine while looking at the valves in each cylinder.   If one or more are
> stuck you should be able to get it to move with a screw driver.
>
> I ended up pulling the head off and working on the valves, head and
> block.  The water passages in the block were my biggest issue.  Crud and a
> few chunks of impeller were the causes.  I used the Moyer flush kit and
> replaced the heat exchanger.  Never had issues after that.
>
> Could also be a gunked up carb.  If non marine fuel was used there could
> be a bunch of gunk in the float reservoir or jets.  I just replaced mine
> new for old.  Rebuilding it also works.
>
> The A4 it a simple machine.  I'm sure you will get it up and running just
> fine, in time.
>
> Tom B
>
> At 06:37 AM 4/12/2021, you wrote:
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> Can I suggest the Moyer forum for A4 questions? There is a lot of
> expertise there on A4s not restricted to A4s in C
>
> Also I think from the sounds of it you may have a stuck valve or 2 or 3.
> They will collectively get you running again. Probably the first question
> will be compression numbers for all 4 cylinders.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina C 35 MK I
>
> Kent Island MD USA
>
>
>
>
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> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
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Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I shredded several knuckles on my 35 MK1 working 
on the A4.  Moyer is indeed the best source for info and support.


For electronics, in addition to the distributor, 
check your plug wires too.  Make sure the plugs 
and points are properly gapped.


I agree that sticking valves are often the 
issue.  The nice thing about the flathead A4 is 
that you can see the valves through the spark 
plug hole.  Put some Marvel Mystery Oil into each 
cylinder.  Then hand crank the engine while 
looking at the valves in each cylinder.   If one 
or more are stuck you should be able to get it to move with a screw driver.


I ended up pulling the head off and working on 
the valves, head and block.  The water passages 
in the block were my biggest issue.  Crud and a 
few chunks of impeller were the causes.  I used 
the Moyer flush kit and replaced the heat 
exchanger.  Never had issues after that.


Could also be a gunked up carb.  If non marine 
fuel was used there could be a bunch of gunk in 
the float reservoir or jets.  I just replaced 
mine new for old.  Rebuilding it also works.


The A4 it a simple machine.  I'm sure you will 
get it up and running just fine, in time.


Tom B

At 06:37 AM 4/12/2021, you wrote:

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Can I suggest the Moyer forum for A4 questions? 
There is a lot of expertise there on A4s not restricted to A4s in C


Also I think from the sounds of it you may have 
a stuck valve or 2 or 3. They will collectively 
get you running again. Probably the first 
question will be compression numbers for all 4 cylinders.






Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA




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Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Can I suggest the Moyer forum for A4 questions? There is a lot of expertise 
there on A4s not restricted to A4s in C 

Also I think from the sounds of it you may have a stuck valve or 2 or 3. They 
will collectively get you running again. Probably the first question will be 
compression numbers for all 4 cylinders.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

3 things you need for an internal combustion engine to run. 
SparkCompressionFuel. Check for spark at the plugsUsually , when I had trouble 
with my atomic 4, on my previous boat, it was usually the carburetor.  I had 3 
and kept 1 rebuilt on board, 1 at home either awaiting rebuild or rebuilt, and 
would swap them out.  The ethanol fuel would screw the carb up constantly...I 
also had a nagging problem with the wiring harnessAnother issue was making sure 
the timing was good but, it would usually fire even if it was off a little.  Do 
you have the mechanical fuel pump or the electric?  Has it been converted to 
electronic ignition?  Thanks, Danny
 Original message From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
 Date: 4/11/21  7:05 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Stus-List 
 Cc: dwight veinot  Subject: 
Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings Check the points and make sure the gap 
is set rightOn Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:Good afternoon gentlemen Does anyone have done a 
overhaul on the atomic 4  I’m trying to start this engine and getting 
frustrated of getting no results I’ve been following the Moyer marine video and 
still no luck Here what I did New spark plug and rotor New dc wiringNew starter 
There spark at the coilI tried many times to do the dead center alignment 
assuming the engine was rebuilt according to universal specs New dip stickI’m I 
missing something I’ve tried gaz in the spark plug hole Results oil and gaz 
shoots out at the flame aresstor Give me a call or text 905 818-1336-- Joel 
Delamirande
www.jdroofing.ca
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Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

For now there no compression sadly

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 7:06 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Check the points and make sure the gap is set right
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon gentlemen
>> Does anyone have done a overhaul on the atomic 4
>> I’m trying to start this engine and getting frustrated of getting no
>> results
>> I’ve been following the Moyer marine video and still no luck
>> Here what I did
>> New spark plug and rotor
>> New dc wiring
>> New starter
>> There spark at the coil
>> I tried many times to do the dead center alignment assuming the engine
>> was rebuilt according to universal specs
>> New dip stick
>> I’m I missing something
>> I’ve tried gaz in the spark plug hole
>> Results oil and gaz shoots out at the flame aresstor
>> Give me a call or text 905 818-1336
>>
> --
>> Joel Delamirande
>> *www.jdroofing.ca *
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> --
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Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

And condenser ...
 Almost forgot

Paul

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:05:41 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings

Check the points and make sure the gap is set right

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Good afternoon gentlemen
Does anyone have done a overhaul on the atomic 4
I’m trying to start this engine and getting frustrated of getting no results
I’ve been following the Moyer marine video and still no luck
Here what I did
New spark plug and rotor
New dc wiring
New starter
There spark at the coil
I tried many times to do the dead center alignment assuming the engine was 
rebuilt according to universal specs
New dip stick
I’m I missing something
I’ve tried gaz in the spark plug hole
Results oil and gaz shoots out at the flame aresstor
Give me a call or text 905 818-1336
--
Joel Delamirande
[https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0Bzdvlj_zFQR9UUZyRjFCM0FGejZXeGd5WFVnVTZRb0Y0Q1lZ=download]
www.jdroofing.ca<http://www.jdroofing.ca>

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Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Check the points and make sure the gap is set right

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Good afternoon gentlemen
> Does anyone have done a overhaul on the atomic 4
> I’m trying to start this engine and getting frustrated of getting no
> results
> I’ve been following the Moyer marine video and still no luck
> Here what I did
> New spark plug and rotor
> New dc wiring
> New starter
> There spark at the coil
> I tried many times to do the dead center alignment assuming the engine was
> rebuilt according to universal specs
> New dip stick
> I’m I missing something
> I’ve tried gaz in the spark plug hole
> Results oil and gaz shoots out at the flame aresstor
> Give me a call or text 905 818-1336
> --
> Joel Delamirande
> *www.jdroofing.ca *
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

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[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

 Was it completely overhauled ( camshaft removed ) ?  looks like an issue with 
spark at the wrong time ( if there is spark at the plugs, not only the coil 
).Make sure the distributor is correctly installed for the firing order ( 
1-4-3-2 I think ).At TDC on the crank/flywheel and both valves closed, points 
should just start to open.Depends what's changed since it was running...

On Sunday, April 11, 2021, 2:36:17 PM EDT, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Good afternoon gentlemen Does anyone have done a overhaul on the atomic 4  I’m 
trying to start this engine and getting frustrated of getting no results I’ve 
been following the Moyer marine video and still no luck Here what I did New 
spark plug and rotor New dc wiringNew starter There spark at the coilI tried 
many times to do the dead center alignment assuming the engine was rebuilt 
according to universal specs New dip stickI’m I missing something I’ve tried 
gaz in the spark plug hole Results oil and gaz shoots out at the flame aresstor 
Give me a call or text 905 818-1336-- 
Joel Delamirandewww.jdroofing.ca
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Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

>From my A4 days ( 20 years ago) Check your points and cap . . . Then coil . .  
>If you don’t an have electronic ignition.



Paul

From: Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 2:35:48 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Delamirande 
Subject: Stus-List Atomic 4 trouble shootings

Good afternoon gentlemen
Does anyone have done a overhaul on the atomic 4
I’m trying to start this engine and getting frustrated of getting no results
I’ve been following the Moyer marine video and still no luck
Here what I did
New spark plug and rotor
New dc wiring
New starter
There spark at the coil
I tried many times to do the dead center alignment assuming the engine was 
rebuilt according to universal specs
New dip stick
I’m I missing something
I’ve tried gaz in the spark plug hole
Results oil and gaz shoots out at the flame aresstor
Give me a call or text 905 818-1336
--
Joel Delamirande
[https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0Bzdvlj_zFQR9UUZyRjFCM0FGejZXeGd5WFVnVTZRb0Y0Q1lZ=download]
www.jdroofing.ca

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Stus-List Re: Atomic 4 trouble shootings

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

If my memories from working on cars in the shade of a tree are accurate, oil 
and gas shooting out the flame arrester may indicate a valve/ignition timing 
problem.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle/Port Ludlow

On Apr 11, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Good afternoon gentlemen
Does anyone have done a overhaul on the atomic 4
I’m trying to start this engine and getting frustrated of getting no results
I’ve been following the Moyer marine video and still no luck
Here what I did
New spark plug and rotor
New dc wiring
New starter
There spark at the coil
I tried many times to do the dead center alignment assuming the engine was 
rebuilt according to universal specs
New dip stick
I’m I missing something
I’ve tried gaz in the spark plug hole
Results oil and gaz shoots out at the flame aresstor
Give me a call or text 905 818-1336
--
Joel Delamirande
[https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0Bzdvlj_zFQR9UUZyRjFCM0FGejZXeGd5WFVnVTZRb0Y0Q1lZ=download]
www.jdroofing.ca

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