Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-15 Thread dwight veinot via CnC-List 
I have very little experience with performance of kcb boats but if your
observations are valid I wonder what the purpose of the center board was in
the first place.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 10:20 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> Interesting. I’m not all that familiar with the 36XL, but it appears to be
> a design merger of the 1989-1990 34/36 series and the older 36’s.  Perhaps
> Rob Ball can shed some light.
>
> We raced this boat heavily and saw no difference in pointing in the
> 10-knot and under range, which was typical for Western LI Sound. In very
> heavy air (25+), we did see a slight difference, but even when the board
> was sealed in, the 37+ was still going through the chop better than the
> other boats who had to head off due to conditions.
>
> I initially sealed the board in to keep costs and headaches down, but was
> pleasantly surprised at how well the boat performed once the deed was done
> — in some cases better than when it wasn’t.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Edd--I love the boat you are selling--unfortunately when I bought my
> 36 XL/kcb a new 37/40 kcb was out of my financial reach!!
>
> Mine is a slightly smaller version of the 37/40 and has a very similar
> centerboard arrangement. Since I do mostly club racing in the relatively
> thin NC sounds/rivers, I would never consider glassing in the board(maybe
> if I stopped racing) although I know of others with C who have done this
> for the reasons you mention. I also agree that since both boats have a
> massive cb trunk (mine is about 4700 lbs), it sails pretty well with the
> board (~925 lbs) up or even glassed in.
>
> OTOH, when I put my board down from 4.5 ft to 7.25 ft, she straightens
> right up and sails to weather at least 5 degrees closer to the wind--and if
> I and the crew are on our game, we are very seldom beaten to the weather
> mark in most breezes above 8 knots by any boat in our size/PHRF handicap
> range. Downwind, kite or not, we grind the board up (not easy or quick) and
> with decent  spinnaker work or just flying a genoa with a whisker pole,
> again we are seldom passed (although we don't gain much either!). As you
> know, the cb trunk is both massive in length, weight and width so it adds
> significant wetted surface compared to a skinny (and deep) fin keel. I
> agree that there is some drag/turbulence from the cb slot but both our
> boards have an elliptical shape so that no matter how far the board is
> extended, it fully 'fills' the slot--as opposed to many cb boats with more
> or less rectangular boards that do not fill the slot with the board as the
> cb is dropped.
>
> Since I haul her yearly for new bottom paint, and have the cb pennant
> replaced at ~5 year intervals, my added expense with the board is minimal.
> However, the yard must always do the board painting while it is hanging in
> travel lift--they have an aversion to having the board fully down, and the
> boat very high on jack stands! And most yards do not like to dig a hole so
> that the board can be extended either!
>
> Good luck with your next boat!
>
>
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Edd Schillay 
> Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 4:07 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop
>
> Joel,
>
> We sealed the board in and glassed the bottom, so she’s the world’s only
> shoal-draft model.
>
> 4.9 feet of draft and we saw no change in performance. In fact, without
> the slot and drag, the boat actually sailed faster in anything under 10
> knots of breeze and the same up to the 15-knot range. And, no headache of
> thousands of dollars of maintenance every several years (board maintenance
> requires a haul-out and time in the travel lift.) See:
> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg
>
>
> If you really want to restore the board, any competent yard could do it.
> But, seriously, she sails better with it sealed in.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <
&

Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-15 Thread Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 Between your boat and 37 r
It very tempting to buy

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 10:45 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Danny,
>
> I tried, but I think he’s heard every joke — didn’t even crack a smile.
> You can imagine how frustrating that was for me.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Edd,
>
> I can't believe Daryl Hall is selling your boat!  I guess with all the
> cancelled concerts he needed to make a little side cake!  Has he "lost that
> lovin' feeling?"  I bets it's good to have a "maneater" on the job!
> Somebody stop me!
>
> Danny
>
> ------ Original Message --
> From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc: cenel...@aol.com
> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:53:11 + (UTC)
>
>
> Hey Edd--I love the boat you are selling--unfortunately when I bought my
> 36 XL/kcb a new 37/40 kcb was out of my financial reach!!
>
> Mine is a slightly smaller version of the 37/40 and has a very similar
> centerboard arrangement. Since I do mostly club racing in the relatively
> thin NC sounds/rivers, I would never consider glassing in the board(maybe
> if I stopped racing) although I know of others with C who have done this
> for the reasons you mention. I also agree that since both boats have a
> massive cb trunk (mine is about 4700 lbs), it sails pretty well with the
> board (~925 lbs) up or even glassed in.
>
> OTOH, when I put my board down from 4.5 ft to 7.25 ft, she straightens
> right up and sails to weather at least 5 degrees closer to the wind--and if
> I and the crew are on our game, we are very seldom beaten to the weather
> mark in most breezes above 8 knots by any boat in our size/PHRF handicap
> range. Downwind, kite or not, we grind the board up (not easy or quick) and
> with decent  spinnaker work or just flying a genoa with a whisker pole,
> again we are seldom passed (although we don't gain much either!). As you
> know, the cb trunk is both massive in length, weight and width so it adds
> significant wetted surface compared to a skinny (and deep) fin keel. I
> agree that there is some drag/turbulence from the cb slot but both our
> boards have an elliptical shape so that no matter how far the board is
> extended, it fully 'fills' the slot--as opposed to many cb boats with more
> or less rectangular boards that do not fill the slot with the board as the
> cb is dropped.
>
> Since I haul her yearly for new bottom paint, and have the cb pennant
> replaced at ~5 year intervals, my added expense with the board is minimal.
> However, the yard must always do the board painting while it is hanging in
> travel lift--they have an aversion to having the board fully down, and the
> boat very high on jack stands! And most yards do not like to dig a hole so
> that the board can be extended either!
>
> Good luck with your next boat!
>
>
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Edd Schillay 
> Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 4:07 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop
>
> Joel,
>
> We sealed the board in and glassed the bottom, so she’s the world’s only
> shoal-draft model.
>
> 4.9 feet of draft and we saw no change in performance. In fact, without
> the slot and drag, the boat actually sailed faster in anything under 10
> knots of breeze and the same up to the 15-knot range. And, no headache of
> thousands of dollars of maintenance every several years (board maintenance
> requires a haul-out and time in the travel lift.) See:
> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg
>
>
> If you really want to restore the board, any competent yard could do it.
> But, seriously, she sails better with it sealed in.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> What kind of keel do u have now
> And why take off the swings keel
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Tom Buscaglia

Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-15 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Danny,

I tried, but I think he’s heard every joke — didn’t even crack a smile. You can 
imagine how frustrating that was for me. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Jul 15, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Edd,
 
I can't believe Daryl Hall is selling your boat!  I guess with all the 
cancelled concerts he needed to make a little side cake!  Has he "lost that 
lovin' feeling?"  I bets it's good to have a "maneater" on the job!  Somebody 
stop me!
 
Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:53:11 + (UTC)


Hey Edd--I love the boat you are selling--unfortunately when I bought my 36 
XL/kcb a new 37/40 kcb was out of my financial reach!!
 
Mine is a slightly smaller version of the 37/40 and has a very similar 
centerboard arrangement. Since I do mostly club racing in the relatively thin 
NC sounds/rivers, I would never consider glassing in the board(maybe if I 
stopped racing) although I know of others with C who have done this for the 
reasons you mention. I also agree that since both boats have a massive cb trunk 
(mine is about 4700 lbs), it sails pretty well with the board (~925 lbs) up or 
even glassed in.
 
OTOH, when I put my board down from 4.5 ft to 7.25 ft, she straightens right up 
and sails to weather at least 5 degrees closer to the wind--and if I and the 
crew are on our game, we are very seldom beaten to the weather mark in most 
breezes above 8 knots by any boat in our size/PHRF handicap range. Downwind, 
kite or not, we grind the board up (not easy or quick) and with decent  
spinnaker work or just flying a genoa with a whisker pole, again we are seldom 
passed (although we don't gain much either!). As you know, the cb trunk is both 
massive in length, weight and width so it adds significant wetted surface 
compared to a skinny (and deep) fin keel. I agree that there is some 
drag/turbulence from the cb slot but both our boards have an elliptical shape 
so that no matter how far the board is extended, it fully 'fills' the slot--as 
opposed to many cb boats with more or less rectangular boards that do not fill 
the slot with the board as the cb is dropped.
 
Since I haul her yearly for new bottom paint, and have the cb pennant replaced 
at ~5 year intervals, my added expense with the board is minimal. However, the 
yard must always do the board painting while it is hanging in travel lift--they 
have an aversion to having the board fully down, and the boat very high on jack 
stands! And most yards do not like to dig a hole so that the board can be 
extended either!
 
Good luck with your next boat!
 
 
 
Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
 
 



-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 4:07 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

Joel,
 
We sealed the board in and glassed the bottom, so she’s the world’s only 
shoal-draft model. 
 
4.9 feet of draft and we saw no change in performance. In fact, without the 
slot and drag, the boat actually sailed faster in anything under 10 knots of 
breeze and the same up to the 15-knot range. And, no headache of thousands of 
dollars of maintenance every several years (board maintenance requires a 
haul-out and time in the travel lift.) See: 
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg
 
<https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg>
 
 
If you really want to restore the board, any competent yard could do it. But, 
seriously, she sails better with it sealed in. 

All the best,
 
Edd
 
 
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
 





 
 
 



On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

What kind of keel do u have now
And why take off the swings keel

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Edd

Stop it, you're killing the market!

Tom B
¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com <http://www.sv-alera.com/> 




At 11:47 AM 7/14/2021, you wrote:
Listers,

With my sights set on the next Enterprise and new adventures on the final 
frontier, I have dropped the price of my 1990 C 37/40+. 

Lots of great features, including new air conditioning, a Doyle Stack Pack, 
autopilot, Raymarine e95 chartplotter and a 2015 Beta 30 engine with

Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-15 Thread Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
Edd, I can't believe Daryl Hall is selling your boat!  I guess with all the 
cancelled concerts he needed to make a little side cake!  Has he "lost that 
lovin' feeling?"  I bets it's good to have a "maneater" on the job!  Somebody 
stop me! Danny

-- Original Message --
From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 02:53:11 + (UTC)


Hey Edd--I love the boat you are selling--unfortunately when I bought my 36 
XL/kcb a new 37/40 kcb was out of my financial reach!! Mine is a slightly 
smaller version of the 37/40 and has a very similar centerboard arrangement. 
Since I do mostly club racing in the relatively thin NC sounds/rivers, I would 
never consider glassing in the board(maybe if I stopped racing) although I know 
of others with C who have done this for the reasons you mention. I also 
agree that since both boats have a massive cb trunk (mine is about 4700 lbs), 
it sails pretty well with the board (~925 lbs) up or even glassed in. OTOH, 
when I put my board down from 4.5 ft to 7.25 ft, she straightens right up and 
sails to weather at least 5 degrees closer to the wind--and if I and the crew 
are on our game, we are very seldom beaten to the weather mark in most breezes 
above 8 knots by any boat in our size/PHRF handicap range. Downwind, kite or 
not, we grind the board up (not easy or quick) and with decent  spinnaker work 
or just flying a genoa with a whisker pole, again we are seldom passed 
(although we don't gain much either!). As you know, the cb trunk is both 
massive in length, weight and width so it adds significant wetted surface 
compared to a skinny (and deep) fin keel. I agree that there is some 
drag/turbulence from the cb slot but both our boards have an elliptical shape 
so that no matter how far the board is extended, it fully 'fills' the slot--as 
opposed to many cb boats with more or less rectangular boards that do not fill 
the slot with the board as the cb is dropped. Since I haul her yearly for new 
bottom paint, and have the cb pennant replaced at ~5 year intervals, my added 
expense with the board is minimal. However, the yard must always do the board 
painting while it is hanging in travel lift--they have an aversion to having 
the board fully down, and the boat very high on jack stands! And most yards do 
not like to dig a hole so that the board can be extended either! Good luck with 
your next boat!   Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XL/kcb  
 
 
-Original Message-
 From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Edd Schillay 
 Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 4:07 pm
 Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop
 
Joel, We sealed the board in and glassed the bottom, so shes the 
worlds only shoal-draft model.  4.9 feet of draft and we saw no change 
in performance. In fact, without the slot and drag, the boat actually sailed 
faster in anything under 10 knots of breeze and the same up to the 15-knot 
range. And, no headache of thousands of dollars of maintenance every several 
years (board maintenance requires a haul-out and time in the travel lift.) See: 
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg
  If you really want to restore the board, any competent yard could do it. But, 
seriously, she sails better with it sealed in. All the best, Edd  Edd M. 
SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BVenice 
Yacht Club | Venice Island, FLOn Jul 14, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Joel Delamirande 
via CnC-List  wrote:What kind of keel do u have nowAnd 
why take off the swings keelOn Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Tom Buscaglia via 
CnC-List  wrote:Edd Stop it, you're killing the market! 
Tom B ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤. Tom & Lynn Buscaglia SV Alera C 
37+/40 Vashon Island WA(206) 463-9200 www.sv-alera.comAt 11:47 AM 
7/14/2021, you wrote: Listers, With my sights set on the next Enterprise and 
new adventures on the final frontier, I have dropped the price of my 1990 C 
37/40+.  Lots of great features, including new air conditioning, a Doyle Stack 
Pack, autopilot, Raymarine e95 chartplotter and a 2015 Beta 30 engine with just 
under 500 hours.  If you know anyone looking to get into a great boat 
thatâs built for cruising and/or racing, priced now at $59,000, 
please have them contact me.  Here is a link to the listing:  
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/c-c-37-40--3829704/  All the best, Edd  
Edd M. Schillay Captain of the Starship Enterprise C 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL  Thanks to all of the 
subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved.  If 
you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution --  
  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu.Thanks to all of

Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-15 Thread cenelson via CnC-List 
Who knows—they were different boats although the cb design was pretty similar!
Further there are competing influences in play—dropping board adds to wetted 
surface, mast height, etc. plus if the cb trunk and board were mostly copied 
and added to a smaller, lighter, shorter water line boat like mine it may have 
a more noticeable effect.
All that being said, at any wind speed my 36 XL/kcb goes to weather noticeably 
higher with the board down.So much so, I still marvel at the difference at the 
helm when the board is lowered and look forward to driving her higher to 
weather.
Charlie
 



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On Thursday, July 15, 2021, 9:20 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Charlie,
Interesting. I’m not all that familiar with the 36XL, but it appears to be a 
design merger of the 1989-1990 34/36 series and the older 36’s.  Perhaps Rob 
Ball can shed some light. 
We raced this boat heavily and saw no difference in pointing in the 10-knot and 
under range, which was typical for Western LI Sound. In very heavy air (25+), 
we did see a slight difference, but even when the board was sealed in, the 37+ 
was still going through the chop better than the other boats who had to head 
off due to conditions. 
I initially sealed the board in to keep costs and headaches down, but was 
pleasantly surprised at how well the boat performed once the deed was done — in 
some cases better than when it wasn’t. 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL





 



On Jul 14, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hey Edd--I love the boat you are selling--unfortunately when I bought my 36 
XL/kcb a new 37/40 kcb was out of my financial reach!!
Mine is a slightly smaller version of the 37/40 and has a very similar 
centerboard arrangement. Since I do mostly club racing in the relatively thin 
NC sounds/rivers, I would never consider glassing in the board(maybe if I 
stopped racing) although I know of others with C who have done this for the 
reasons you mention. I also agree that since both boats have a massive cb trunk 
(mine is about 4700 lbs), it sails pretty well with the board (~925 lbs) up or 
even glassed in.
OTOH, when I put my board down from 4.5 ft to 7.25 ft, she straightens right up 
and sails to weather at least 5 degrees closer to the wind--and if I and the 
crew are on our game, we are very seldom beaten to the weather mark in most 
breezes above 8 knots by any boat in our size/PHRF handicap range. Downwind, 
kite or not, we grind the board up (not easy or quick) and with decent  
spinnaker work or just flying a genoa with a whisker pole, again we are seldom 
passed (although we don't gain much either!). As you know, the cb trunk is both 
massive in length, weight and width so it adds significant wetted surface 
compared to a skinny (and deep) fin keel. I agree that there is some 
drag/turbulence from the cb slot but both our boards have an elliptical shape 
so that no matter how far the board is extended, it fully 'fills' the slot--as 
opposed to many cb boats with more or less rectangular boards that do not fill 
the slot with the board as the cb is dropped.
Since I haul her yearly for new bottom paint, and have the cb pennant replaced 
at ~5 year intervals, my added expense with the board is minimal. However, the 
yard must always do the board painting while it is hanging in travel lift--they 
have an aversion to having the board fully down, and the boat very high on jack 
stands! And most yards do not like to dig a hole so that the board can be 
extended either!
Good luck with your next boat!


Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XL/kcb 



-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 4:07 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

Joel,
We sealed the board in and glassed the bottom, so she’s the world’s only 
shoal-draft model. 
4.9 feet of draft and we saw no change in performance. In fact, without the 
slot and drag, the boat actually sailed faster in anything under 10 knots of 
breeze and the same up to the 15-knot range. And, no headache of thousands of 
dollars of maintenance every several years (board maintenance requires a 
haul-out and time in the travel lift.) See: 
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg
 
If you really want to restore the board, any competent yard could do it. But, 
seriously, she sails better with it sealed in. 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL





 



On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:
What kind of keel do u have nowAnd why take off the swings keel
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Edd

Stop

Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-15 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Charlie,

Interesting. I’m not all that familiar with the 36XL, but it appears to be a 
design merger of the 1989-1990 34/36 series and the older 36’s.  Perhaps Rob 
Ball can shed some light. 

We raced this boat heavily and saw no difference in pointing in the 10-knot and 
under range, which was typical for Western LI Sound. In very heavy air (25+), 
we did see a slight difference, but even when the board was sealed in, the 37+ 
was still going through the chop better than the other boats who had to head 
off due to conditions. 

I initially sealed the board in to keep costs and headaches down, but was 
pleasantly surprised at how well the boat performed once the deed was done — in 
some cases better than when it wasn’t. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Jul 14, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hey Edd--I love the boat you are selling--unfortunately when I bought my 36 
XL/kcb a new 37/40 kcb was out of my financial reach!!

Mine is a slightly smaller version of the 37/40 and has a very similar 
centerboard arrangement. Since I do mostly club racing in the relatively thin 
NC sounds/rivers, I would never consider glassing in the board(maybe if I 
stopped racing) although I know of others with C who have done this for the 
reasons you mention. I also agree that since both boats have a massive cb trunk 
(mine is about 4700 lbs), it sails pretty well with the board (~925 lbs) up or 
even glassed in.

OTOH, when I put my board down from 4.5 ft to 7.25 ft, she straightens right up 
and sails to weather at least 5 degrees closer to the wind--and if I and the 
crew are on our game, we are very seldom beaten to the weather mark in most 
breezes above 8 knots by any boat in our size/PHRF handicap range. Downwind, 
kite or not, we grind the board up (not easy or quick) and with decent  
spinnaker work or just flying a genoa with a whisker pole, again we are seldom 
passed (although we don't gain much either!). As you know, the cb trunk is both 
massive in length, weight and width so it adds significant wetted surface 
compared to a skinny (and deep) fin keel. I agree that there is some 
drag/turbulence from the cb slot but both our boards have an elliptical shape 
so that no matter how far the board is extended, it fully 'fills' the slot--as 
opposed to many cb boats with more or less rectangular boards that do not fill 
the slot with the board as the cb is dropped.

Since I haul her yearly for new bottom paint, and have the cb pennant replaced 
at ~5 year intervals, my added expense with the board is minimal. However, the 
yard must always do the board painting while it is hanging in travel lift--they 
have an aversion to having the board fully down, and the boat very high on jack 
stands! And most yards do not like to dig a hole so that the board can be 
extended either!

Good luck with your next boat!



Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36 XL/kcb
 




-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 4:07 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

Joel,

We sealed the board in and glassed the bottom, so she’s the world’s only 
shoal-draft model. 

4.9 feet of draft and we saw no change in performance. In fact, without the 
slot and drag, the boat actually sailed faster in anything under 10 knots of 
breeze and the same up to the 15-knot range. And, no headache of thousands of 
dollars of maintenance every several years (board maintenance requires a 
haul-out and time in the travel lift.) See: 
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg
 
<https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg>
 

If you really want to restore the board, any competent yard could do it. But, 
seriously, she sails better with it sealed in. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

What kind of keel do u have now
And why take off the swings keel

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Edd

Stop it, you're killing the market!

Tom B
¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com <http://www.sv-alera.com/> 




At 11:47 AM 7/14/2021, you wrote:
> Listers,
> 
> With my sights set on the next Enterprise and new adventures on the final 
> frontier, I have dropped the price of my 1990 C 37/40+. 
> 
> Lots of great features, including new air

Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-14 Thread Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
Hey Edd--I love the boat you are selling--unfortunately when I bought my 36 
XL/kcb a new 37/40 kcb was out of my financial reach!!
Mine is a slightly smaller version of the 37/40 and has a very similar 
centerboard arrangement. Since I do mostly club racing in the relatively thin 
NC sounds/rivers, I would never consider glassing in the board(maybe if I 
stopped racing) although I know of others with C who have done this for the 
reasons you mention. I also agree that since both boats have a massive cb trunk 
(mine is about 4700 lbs), it sails pretty well with the board (~925 lbs) up or 
even glassed in.
OTOH, when I put my board down from 4.5 ft to 7.25 ft, she straightens right up 
and sails to weather at least 5 degrees closer to the wind--and if I and the 
crew are on our game, we are very seldom beaten to the weather mark in most 
breezes above 8 knots by any boat in our size/PHRF handicap range. Downwind, 
kite or not, we grind the board up (not easy or quick) and with decent  
spinnaker work or just flying a genoa with a whisker pole, again we are seldom 
passed (although we don't gain much either!). As you know, the cb trunk is both 
massive in length, weight and width so it adds significant wetted surface 
compared to a skinny (and deep) fin keel. I agree that there is some 
drag/turbulence from the cb slot but both our boards have an elliptical shape 
so that no matter how far the board is extended, it fully 'fills' the slot--as 
opposed to many cb boats with more or less rectangular boards that do not fill 
the slot with the board as the cb is dropped.
Since I haul her yearly for new bottom paint, and have the cb pennant replaced 
at ~5 year intervals, my added expense with the board is minimal. However, the 
yard must always do the board painting while it is hanging in travel lift--they 
have an aversion to having the board fully down, and the boat very high on jack 
stands! And most yards do not like to dig a hole so that the board can be 
extended either!
Good luck with your next boat!


Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XL/kcb 



-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 4:07 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

Joel,
We sealed the board in and glassed the bottom, so she’s the world’s only 
shoal-draft model. 
4.9 feet of draft and we saw no change in performance. In fact, without the 
slot and drag, the boat actually sailed faster in anything under 10 knots of 
breeze and the same up to the 15-knot range. And, no headache of thousands of 
dollars of maintenance every several years (board maintenance requires a 
haul-out and time in the travel lift.) See: 
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg
 
If you really want to restore the board, any competent yard could do it. But, 
seriously, she sails better with it sealed in. 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL





 



On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:
What kind of keel do u have nowAnd why take off the swings keel
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Edd

Stop it, you're killing the market!

Tom B
¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com




At 11:47 AM 7/14/2021, you wrote:

Listers,

With my sights set on the next Enterprise and new adventures on the 
finalfrontier, I have dropped the price of my 1990 C 37/40+. 

Lots of great features, including new air conditioning, a Doyle StackPack, 
autopilot, Raymarine e95 chartplotter and a 2015 Beta 30 enginewith just under 
500 hours. 

If you know anyone looking to get into a great boat that’s built forcruising 
and/or racing, priced now at $59,000, please have them contactme. 

Here is a link to the 
listing:https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/c-c-37-40--3829704/ 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL










Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to helpwith the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to thelist - use PayPal to 
send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
.Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
-- 
Joel Delamirandewww.jdroofing.ca
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscri

Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-14 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Joel,

We sealed the board in and glassed the bottom, so she’s the world’s only 
shoal-draft model. 

4.9 feet of draft and we saw no change in performance. In fact, without the 
slot and drag, the boat actually sailed faster in anything under 10 knots of 
breeze and the same up to the 15-knot range. And, no headache of thousands of 
dollars of maintenance every several years (board maintenance requires a 
haul-out and time in the travel lift.) See: 
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg
 

 

If you really want to restore the board, any competent yard could do it. But, 
seriously, she sails better with it sealed in. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL











On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
 wrote:

What kind of keel do u have now
And why take off the swings keel

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Edd

Stop it, you're killing the market!

Tom B
¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com  




At 11:47 AM 7/14/2021, you wrote:
> Listers,
> 
> With my sights set on the next Enterprise and new adventures on the final 
> frontier, I have dropped the price of my 1990 C 37/40+. 
> 
> Lots of great features, including new air conditioning, a Doyle Stack Pack, 
> autopilot, Raymarine e95 chartplotter and a 2015 Beta 30 engine with just 
> under 500 hours. 
> 
> If you know anyone looking to get into a great boat that’s built for 
> cruising and/or racing, priced now at $59,000, please have them contact me. 
> 
> Here is a link to the listing: 
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/c-c-37-40--3829704/ 
>  
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  
> Thanks - Stu
.

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
  Thanks - Stu
-- 
Joel Delamirande

www.jdroofing.ca 

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-14 Thread Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
What kind of keel do u have now
And why take off the swings keel

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Edd
>
> Stop it, you're killing the market!
>
> Tom B
>
> ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
>
>
>
> At 11:47 AM 7/14/2021, you wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> With my sights set on the next Enterprise and new adventures on the final
> frontier, I have dropped the price of my 1990 C 37/40+.
>
> Lots of great features, including new air conditioning, a Doyle Stack
> Pack, autopilot, Raymarine e95 chartplotter and a 2015 Beta 30 engine with
> just under 500 hours.
>
> If you know anyone looking to get into a great boat that’s built for
> cruising and/or racing, priced now at $59,000, please have them contact me.
>
> Here is a link to the listing:
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/c-c-37-40--3829704/
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>  Thanks - Stu
>
> .
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop

2021-07-14 Thread Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 

Edd

Stop it, you're killing the market!

Tom B

¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com




At 11:47 AM 7/14/2021, you wrote:

Listers,

With my sights set on the next Enterprise and 
new adventures on the final frontier, I have 
dropped the price of my 1990 C 37/40+.


Lots of great features, including new air 
conditioning, a Doyle Stack Pack, autopilot, 
Raymarine e95 chartplotter and a 2015 Beta 30 
engine with just under 500 hours.


If you know anyone looking to get into a great 
boat that’s built for cruising and/or racing, 
priced now at $59,000, please have them contact me.


Here is a link to the listing: 
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/c-c-37-40--3829704/ 



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL










Thanks to all of the subscribers that 
contributed to the list to help with the costs 
involved.  If you want to show your support to 
the list - use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu


. Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu