Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box
I get a lot more water in the bilge from rain and swapping plug and paddlewheel than I do from the dripping shaft, so dripless is a non-issue for me. I tightened up my stuffing box last year and since then dripping is almost non-existent and the stuffing box is still cool under motor power. Dave S/V Aries 1990 C 34+ New London, CT > On Jul 13, 2021, at 3:13 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote: > > One of Touche' sisterships nearly sank when the engine compartment vent hose > dislodged and got wrapped around the prop shaft. It damaged the dripless > seal bellows. Fortunately, the owner was able to somehow seal the bellows > and save the boat. > > I'm partial to traditional stuffing boxes myself. > -- > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box
One of Touche' sisterships nearly sank when the engine compartment vent hose dislodged and got wrapped around the prop shaft. It damaged the dripless seal bellows. Fortunately, the owner was able to somehow seal the bellows and save the boat. I'm partial to traditional stuffing boxes myself. -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box
Steve, Raw water intake is drawing water in by means of a pump...no such mechanism is involved with a PSS seal. Bill Walker CnC 36Pentwater, Mi. On Tuesday, July 13, 2021, 12:45:23 PM EDT, Steve Thomas via CnC-List wrote: Bob, In the 20 years I've had my C, little bits of wood or twigs have got sucked into the engine cooling water intake on several occasions and lodged in unobvious places. They caused partial blockages that were hard to diagnose and are memorable for that reason. Our sailing club is small river leading into Lake Erie so there is a lot of crap being driven down steam from time to time. Count yourself lucky if you don't have that problem. Steve Thomas C MKIII - Port Stanley, Ontario C MKI - Merritt Island, Florida -- Original Message -- From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: dainyr...@icloud.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:55 AM Subject: Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box Fred: I’ve never heard or imagined anything so strange. First, the shaft seal is a good foot or more below the waterline. Pieces of wood generally float—so they would normally be near the surface of the water. And then have a piece of wood lodge between the stainless and graphite seal on top of all that! I would think the odds of that happening by natural occurrence would be astronomical. Bob Boyers/v Rainy DaysC Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)(Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay)blog: dainyrays.blogspot.comemail: dainyr...@icloud.com On Jul 13, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote: Years ago a small piece of wood came up thru the shaft log into the bellows and wedged itself between the stainless and graphite rings. The boat sank overnight. The moral of this story is that you should periodically check the pressure of the bellows. My stainless ring had slipped. Fred HazzardS/V Fury C 44 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Jeff, As you mentioned earlier, this topic shows up every so often. As a PSS user, I am obviously biased. The stuck graphite face was an issue in older designs (the unvented type). The Volvo version of the dripless seal still requires burping. I can imagine that if I were to sail around the world, I might prefer the traditional stuffing box (the maintenance is easier and the spare parts can be fabricated by a skilled blacksmith ()), but if you sail in the area where spare parts are generally available, the dripless solution is completely reliable. I am happy with my dry bilge. Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa, ON From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 9:25 AM To: Steve Thomas via CnC-List Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman Subject: Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box Let's exclude power boats -- an entirely different environment and demand on the hardware. Jeff L. Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box
Bob, In the 20 years I've had my C, little bits of wood or twigs have got sucked into the engine cooling water intake on several occasions and lodged in unobvious places. They caused partial blockages that were hard to diagnose and are memorable for that reason. Our sailing club is small river leading into Lake Erie so there is a lot of crap being driven down steam from time to time. Count yourself lucky if you don't have that problem. Steve Thomas C MKIII - Port Stanley, Ontario C MKI - Merritt Island, Florida -- Original Message -- From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: dainyr...@icloud.com Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:55 AM Subject: Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box Fred: I’ve never heard or imagined anything so strange. First, the shaft seal is a good foot or more below the waterline. Pieces of wood generally float—so they would normally be near the surface of the water. And then have a piece of wood lodge between the stainless and graphite seal on top of all that! I would think the odds of that happening by natural occurrence would be astronomical. Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com On Jul 13, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List wrote: Years ago a small piece of wood came up thru the shaft log into the bellows and wedged itself between the stainless and graphite rings. The boat sank overnight. The moral of this story is that you should periodically check the pressure of the bellows. My stainless ring had slipped. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C 44 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: Jeff, As you mentioned earlier, this topic shows up every so often. As a PSS user, I am obviously biased. The stuck graphite face was an issue in older designs (the unvented type). The Volvo version of the dripless seal still requires burping. I can imagine that if I were to sail around the world, I might prefer the traditional stuffing box (the maintenance is easier and the spare parts can be fabricated by a skilled blacksmith ()), but if you sail in the area where spare parts are generally available, the dripless solution is completely reliable. I am happy with my dry bilge. Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa, ON From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 9:25 AM To: Steve Thomas via CnC-List Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman Subject: Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box Let's exclude power boats -- an entirely different environment and demand on the hardware. Jeff L. Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box
Not to mention that this piece of wood had to drift through the shaft log and the bellows before reaching the seal. Marek From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:56 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Robert Boyer Subject: Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box Fred: I’ve never heard or imagined anything so strange. First, the shaft seal is a good foot or more below the waterline. Pieces of wood generally float—so they would normally be near the surface of the water. And then have a piece of wood lodge between the stainless and graphite seal on top of all that! I would think the odds of that happening by natural occurrence would be astronomical. Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com<mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box
Maybe that’s what the owner told the insurance company. From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:56 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Robert Boyer Subject: Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box Fred: I’ve never heard or imagined anything so strange. First, the shaft seal is a good foot or more below the waterline. Pieces of wood generally float—so they would normally be near the surface of the water. And then have a piece of wood lodge between the stainless and graphite seal on top of all that! I would think the odds of that happening by natural occurrence would be astronomical. Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com <mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> On Jul 13, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Years ago a small piece of wood came up thru the shaft log into the bellows and wedged itself between the stainless and graphite rings. The boat sank overnight. The moral of this story is that you should periodically check the pressure of the bellows. My stainless ring had slipped. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C 44 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Jeff, As you mentioned earlier, this topic shows up every so often. As a PSS user, I am obviously biased. The stuck graphite face was an issue in older designs (the unvented type). The Volvo version of the dripless seal still requires burping. I can imagine that if I were to sail around the world, I might prefer the traditional stuffing box (the maintenance is easier and the spare parts can be fabricated by a skilled blacksmith ()), but if you sail in the area where spare parts are generally available, the dripless solution is completely reliable. I am happy with my dry bilge. Marek 1994 C270 Legato Ottawa, ON From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 9:25 AM To: Steve Thomas via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman mailto:jlam...@outlook.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box Let's exclude power boats -- an entirely different environment and demand on the hardware. Jeff L. Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box
Fred: I’ve never heard or imagined anything so strange. First, the shaft seal is a good foot or more below the waterline. Pieces of wood generally float—so they would normally be near the surface of the water. And then have a piece of wood lodge between the stainless and graphite seal on top of all that! I would think the odds of that happening by natural occurrence would be astronomical. Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com > On Jul 13, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List > wrote: > > Years ago a small piece of wood came up thru the shaft log into the bellows > and wedged itself between the stainless and graphite rings. The boat sank > overnight. > The moral of this story is that you should periodically check the pressure of > the bellows. > My stainless ring had slipped. > > Fred Hazzard > S/V Fury > C 44 > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> >> >> Jeff, >> >> As you mentioned earlier, this topic shows up every so often. >> >> As a PSS user, I am obviously biased. >> >> The stuck graphite face was an issue in older designs (the unvented type). >> The Volvo version of the dripless seal still requires burping. >> >> I can imagine that if I were to sail around the world, I might prefer the >> traditional stuffing box (the maintenance is easier and the spare parts can >> be fabricated by a skilled blacksmith ()), but if you sail in the area >> where spare parts are generally available, the dripless solution is >> completely reliable. >> >> I am happy with my dry bilge. >> >> Marek >> >> >> 1994 C270 Legato >> Ottawa, ON >> >> >> >> From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List >> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 9:25 AM >> To: Steve Thomas via CnC-List >> Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman >> Subject: Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box >> >> Let's exclude power boats -- an entirely different environment and demand on >> the hardware. >> Jeff L. >> >> >> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with >> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - >> Stu > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: PSS Stuffing Box
Years ago a small piece of wood came up thru the shaft log into the bellows and wedged itself between the stainless and graphite rings. The boat sank overnight. The moral of this story is that you should periodically check the pressure of the bellows. My stainless ring had slipped. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury C 44 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > wrote: > > > Jeff, > > As you mentioned earlier, this topic shows up every so often. > > As a PSS user, I am obviously biased. > > The stuck graphite face was an issue in older designs (the unvented type). > The Volvo version of the dripless seal still requires burping. > > I can imagine that if I were to sail around the world, I might prefer the > traditional stuffing box (the maintenance is easier and the spare parts can > be fabricated by a skilled blacksmith ()), but if you sail in the area where > spare parts are generally available, the dripless solution is completely > reliable. > > I am happy with my dry bilge. > > Marek > > > 1994 C270 Legato > Ottawa, ON > > > > From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 9:25 AM > To: Steve Thomas via CnC-List > Cc: Jeffrey A. Laman > Subject: Stus-List Re: Stuffing Box > > Let's exclude power boats -- an entirely different environment and demand on > the hardware. > Jeff L. > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
