Stus-List Re: Steering cable

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Dennis,I bet that was more than a weekend project!  Really nice work!Danny

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From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: "Dennis C." 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Steering cable
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 18:39:10 -0500

Dave,

It's a DIY job for many.  Just depends on your level of confidence.  It's
fairly straightforward.  The broken strand(s) may be at a sharp turn.

Here's the link to Touche's complete steering system rebuild and upgrade.
You might find some wisdom and/or encouragement in there.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd/view?usp=sharing

I found a broken strand.  I also removed the pedestal.  However, I removed
it to paint it.  For your situation, you shouldn't have to remove the
pedestal.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:44 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A friend at our yacht club had his steering cable snap the other day.  I
> had been planning a steering system lube and check for a few years and this
> motivated me to move it to the top of my priority list.  While I was lubing
> and checking yesterday, I found one spot with broken wires on the cable.
> 1.  I was hoping to replace it in the Fall/Spring when the boat is out of
> the water.  Should I be more worried and plan to do it sooner?  There is
> plenty of intact cable, but I don’t know what causes these breaks and if
> they are an indication of imminent failure.
> 2.  the area under the pedestal is inaccessible without removing the
> pedestal.  Obviously that is a big job, which I have never done.  Is it
> possible to replace the cable without removing the pedestal?  Would I be
> smart to hire someone to do this job (PITA for me, but easier for someone
> experienced)?
> Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
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[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

Whether or not the cables cross in the pedestal depends on whether your 
boat has a quadrant or a radius wheel. A quadrant is normally mounted on 
the forward side of the rudder shaft. I had to replace the sheave 
assembly at the base of the pedestal on my 36 and the most challenging 
part was hooking up the cables to the wheel on the rudder shaft. Not 
rocket science any of it, but you need to be a contortionist to get at 
it. I removed the scupper hose in order to gain better access.

Steve Thomas
C&C36 MKI 1980
C&C27 MKIII 1978

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The first time I had to replace the steering cable I was advised to use 
a coat hanger with a loop at the end and bent at a 90° angle to use as a 
guide .  Worked pretty well.  Note that the cables cross in the 
pedestal.

Spencer Johnson
84 LF 38 'Alegria "
Racine, WI

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[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

You may also want to replace the chain.  When I replaced mine, I found on
close inspection that one of the links had a crack in it.  BTW, not to take
anything away from the folks at Edson, you can get 7x19 stainless steel
cable and Nicopress fittings at West Marine to make your own cables and the
chain from McMaster Carr and combined it will be less than half the price.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 11:34 PM ssjohnson via CnC-List 
wrote:

> The first time I had to replace the steering cable I was advised to use a
> coat hanger with a loop at the end and bent at a 90° angle to use as a
> guide .  Worked pretty well.  Note that the cables cross in the pedestal.
> Spencer Johnson
> 84 LF 38 'Alegria "
> Racine, WI
>
>
>
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[ssjohnson via CnC-List]

The first time I had to replace the steering cable I was advised to use a coat 
hanger with a loop at the end and bent at a 90° angle to use as a guide .  
Worked pretty well.  Note that the cables cross in the pedestal.Spencer 
Johnson84 LF 38 'Alegria "Racine, WISent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
smartphone
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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Dave,

I came across this video I made for someone else.  Maybe it helps you out?

https://youtu.be/SFLrjCPuKu0

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:37 David Knecht via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I just watched the Edson video and it looks doable for a DIY project.  I
> am awaiting some info from Edson to know which kit to buy, unless someone
> knows.  My boat is not in their database online.  In answer to Josh, the
> cabin floor is not removable, but it looks like you can do this with
> pedestal intact, so I plan to try that first.  I am sure feeding the new
> cable through will be its of fun.  Thanks for the thoughts and
> encouragement.  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> The hardest part about the cable is reeving into the pedestal.  The cable
> takes on a "set" so getting both ends to pass through the narrow passages
> can be a trick.  I'd use a long piece of nylon string.  Attach each end of
> the string to a corresponding end of the cable use tape to secure and
> smooth the attachment.  In the pedestal under the compass is the gear and
> chain.  A coat hanger is useful for lifting the chain from the gear and
> then gently withdraw the cable/chain while feeding the strings up in its
> place.  Probably might need 2 people.  With 2 strings now extended out the
> top be careful to not cross them.  Reverse the process for reinstalling.
> You'll want to be sure to center the chain on the gear while in the gear is
> top dead center.  When aligning the cable to ride on the idlers I used a
> small zip tie to temporarily hold the cable to the idler while attaching it
> to the bull gear.
>
> Does the 34+ have the removable cockpit floor to access the steering?
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 13:49 John Irvin via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> You need someone nimble and experienced!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:45 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>  A friend at our yacht club had his steering cable snap the other day.
>> I had been planning a steering system lube and check for a few years and
>> this motivated me to move it to the top of my priority list.  While I was
>> lubing and checking yesterday, I found one spot with broken wires on the
>> cable.
>> 1.  I was hoping to replace it in the Fall/Spring when the boat is out of
>> the water.  Should I be more worried and plan to do it sooner?  There is
>> plenty of intact cable, but I don’t know what causes these breaks and if
>> they are an indication of imminent failure.
>> 2.  the area under the pedestal is inaccessible without removing the
>> pedestal.  Obviously that is a big job, which I have never done.  Is it
>> possible to replace the cable without removing the pedestal?  Would I be
>> smart to hire someone to do this job (PITA for me, but easier for someone
>> experienced)?
>> Thanks- Dave
>>
>> S/V Aries
>> 1990 C&C 34+
>> New London, CT
>>
>> 
>>
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>>
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>
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>
>
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Dave,

It's a DIY job for many.  Just depends on your level of confidence.  It's
fairly straightforward.  The broken strand(s) may be at a sharp turn.

Here's the link to Touche's complete steering system rebuild and upgrade.
You might find some wisdom and/or encouragement in there.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd/view?usp=sharing

I found a broken strand.  I also removed the pedestal.  However, I removed
it to paint it.  For your situation, you shouldn't have to remove the
pedestal.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:44 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A friend at our yacht club had his steering cable snap the other day.  I
> had been planning a steering system lube and check for a few years and this
> motivated me to move it to the top of my priority list.  While I was lubing
> and checking yesterday, I found one spot with broken wires on the cable.
> 1.  I was hoping to replace it in the Fall/Spring when the boat is out of
> the water.  Should I be more worried and plan to do it sooner?  There is
> plenty of intact cable, but I don’t know what causes these breaks and if
> they are an indication of imminent failure.
> 2.  the area under the pedestal is inaccessible without removing the
> pedestal.  Obviously that is a big job, which I have never done.  Is it
> possible to replace the cable without removing the pedestal?  Would I be
> smart to hire someone to do this job (PITA for me, but easier for someone
> experienced)?
> Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Also does the idler have to be screwed in the cockpit floor
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 6:23 PM Joel Delamirande 
wrote:

> Does the cables have to cross inside the pedestal than on ideler on it
> respective side
> Does someone have detailed pictures of that
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:26 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Fortunately, on my boat, the quadrant is very open and accessible under a
>> removable panel in the rear cockpit floor.  That part should be easy.  The
>> only challenge (LOL- famous last words) looks like feeding the cables
>> through the pedestal.  Dave
>>
>> David Knecht
>> Rear Commodore
>> Thames Yacht Club
>> New London, CT
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2021, at 4:09 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> David
>>
>> All good comments here.  If your set up similar to mine, the hardest part
>> is crawling all the way aft under the cockpit floor to undo old cables from
>> quadrant and then reattaching and adjusting the new.  The cables enter the
>> quadrant on each side then take a hard turn into the rear of the quadrant
>> crossing the center line.  That turn is frequently a cable failure point.
>> Mine had several broken strands at that point.  I did mine several years
>> ago as part of dropping the rudder to remedy some very old post grease that
>> had hardened making steering very difficult and to rebuild rudder due to
>> water intrusion.  All DIY.  Not that difficult in concept but the execution
>> is well another story.
>>
>>
>> John and Maryann (in memorium)
>> Legacy III
>> 1982 C&C 34
>> Noank, CT
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>
> --
> Joel Delamirande
> *www.jdroofing.ca *
>
> --
Joel Delamirande
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[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Does the cables have to cross inside the pedestal than on ideler on it
respective side
Does someone have detailed pictures of that

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 4:26 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Fortunately, on my boat, the quadrant is very open and accessible under a
> removable panel in the rear cockpit floor.  That part should be easy.  The
> only challenge (LOL- famous last words) looks like feeding the cables
> through the pedestal.  Dave
>
> David Knecht
> Rear Commodore
> Thames Yacht Club
> New London, CT
>
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2021, at 4:09 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> David
>
> All good comments here.  If your set up similar to mine, the hardest part
> is crawling all the way aft under the cockpit floor to undo old cables from
> quadrant and then reattaching and adjusting the new.  The cables enter the
> quadrant on each side then take a hard turn into the rear of the quadrant
> crossing the center line.  That turn is frequently a cable failure point.
> Mine had several broken strands at that point.  I did mine several years
> ago as part of dropping the rudder to remedy some very old post grease that
> had hardened making steering very difficult and to rebuild rudder due to
> water intrusion.  All DIY.  Not that difficult in concept but the execution
> is well another story.
>
>
> John and Maryann (in memorium)
> Legacy III
> 1982 C&C 34
> Noank, CT
>
>
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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> - Stu
>
>
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-- 
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[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

 Great idea...I will put that in my data bank...Bill WalkerC n C 36Pentwater, 
Mi.
On Thursday, August 12, 2021, 03:46:38 PM EDT, svrebeccaleah via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 FWI. Back in the day of rigging airplanes. I would use heat shrink (non 
adhesive type) to connect the old and new cables. Pull out old cable gently and 
new will be routed correctly.  
Doug


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[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Fortunately, on my boat, the quadrant is very open and accessible under a 
removable panel in the rear cockpit floor.  That part should be easy.  The only 
challenge (LOL- famous last words) looks like feeding the cables through the 
pedestal.  Dave

David Knecht
Rear Commodore
Thames Yacht Club
New London, CT



> On Aug 12, 2021, at 4:09 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> David
>  
> All good comments here.  If your set up similar to mine, the hardest part is 
> crawling all the way aft under the cockpit floor to undo old cables from 
> quadrant and then reattaching and adjusting the new.  The cables enter the 
> quadrant on each side then take a hard turn into the rear of the quadrant 
> crossing the center line.  That turn is frequently a cable failure point.  
> Mine had several broken strands at that point.  I did mine several years ago 
> as part of dropping the rudder to remedy some very old post grease that had 
> hardened making steering very difficult and to rebuild rudder due to water 
> intrusion.  All DIY.  Not that difficult in concept but the execution is well 
> another story.
>  
>  
> John and Maryann (in memorium)
> Legacy III
> 1982 C&C 34
> Noank, CT
>  
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>   Thanks - Stu

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[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

David

 

All good comments here.  If your set up similar to mine, the hardest part is 
crawling all the way aft under the cockpit floor to undo old cables from 
quadrant and then reattaching and adjusting the new.  The cables enter the 
quadrant on each side then take a hard turn into the rear of the quadrant 
crossing the center line.  That turn is frequently a cable failure point.  Mine 
had several broken strands at that point.  I did mine several years ago as part 
of dropping the rudder to remedy some very old post grease that had hardened 
making steering very difficult and to rebuild rudder due to water intrusion.  
All DIY.  Not that difficult in concept but the execution is well another story.

 

 

John and Maryann (in memorium)

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

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[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

FWI. Back in the day of rigging airplanes. I would use heat shrink (non 
adhesive type) to connect the old and new cables. Pull out old cable gently and 
new will be routed correctly.  DougSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I just watched the Edson video and it looks doable for a DIY project.  I am 
awaiting some info from Edson to know which kit to buy, unless someone knows.  
My boat is not in their database online.  In answer to Josh, the cabin floor is 
not removable, but it looks like you can do this with pedestal intact, so I 
plan to try that first.  I am sure feeding the new cable through will be its of 
fun.  Thanks for the thoughts and encouragement.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Aug 12, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> The hardest part about the cable is reeving into the pedestal.  The cable 
> takes on a "set" so getting both ends to pass through the narrow passages can 
> be a trick.  I'd use a long piece of nylon string.  Attach each end of the 
> string to a corresponding end of the cable use tape to secure and smooth the 
> attachment.  In the pedestal under the compass is the gear and chain.  A coat 
> hanger is useful for lifting the chain from the gear and then gently withdraw 
> the cable/chain while feeding the strings up in its place.  Probably might 
> need 2 people.  With 2 strings now extended out the top be careful to not 
> cross them.  Reverse the process for reinstalling.  You'll want to be sure to 
> center the chain on the gear while in the gear is top dead center.  When 
> aligning the cable to ride on the idlers I used a small zip tie to 
> temporarily hold the cable to the idler while attaching it to the bull gear.
> 
> Does the 34+ have the removable cockpit floor to access the steering?
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 13:49 John Irvin via CnC-List  > wrote:
> You need someone nimble and experienced!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:45 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  A friend at our yacht club had his steering cable snap the other day.  I 
>> had been planning a steering system lube and check for a few years and this 
>> motivated me to move it to the top of my priority list.  While I was lubing 
>> and checking yesterday, I found one spot with broken wires on the cable.  
>> 1.  I was hoping to replace it in the Fall/Spring when the boat is out of 
>> the water.  Should I be more worried and plan to do it sooner?  There is 
>> plenty of intact cable, but I don’t know what causes these breaks and if 
>> they are an indication of imminent failure.
>> 2.  the area under the pedestal is inaccessible without removing the 
>> pedestal.  Obviously that is a big job, which I have never done.  Is it 
>> possible to replace the cable without removing the pedestal?  Would I be 
>> smart to hire someone to do this job (PITA for me, but easier for someone 
>> experienced)?
>> Thanks- Dave
>> 
>> S/V Aries
>> 1990 C&C 34+
>> New London, CT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>>   Thanks - Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
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> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Dave,

The hardest part about the cable is reeving into the pedestal.  The cable
takes on a "set" so getting both ends to pass through the narrow passages
can be a trick.  I'd use a long piece of nylon string.  Attach each end of
the string to a corresponding end of the cable use tape to secure and
smooth the attachment.  In the pedestal under the compass is the gear and
chain.  A coat hanger is useful for lifting the chain from the gear and
then gently withdraw the cable/chain while feeding the strings up in its
place.  Probably might need 2 people.  With 2 strings now extended out the
top be careful to not cross them.  Reverse the process for reinstalling.
You'll want to be sure to center the chain on the gear while in the gear is
top dead center.  When aligning the cable to ride on the idlers I used a
small zip tie to temporarily hold the cable to the idler while attaching it
to the bull gear.

Does the 34+ have the removable cockpit floor to access the steering?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 13:49 John Irvin via CnC-List 
wrote:

> You need someone nimble and experienced!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:45 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>  A friend at our yacht club had his steering cable snap the other day.  I
> had been planning a steering system lube and check for a few years and this
> motivated me to move it to the top of my priority list.  While I was lubing
> and checking yesterday, I found one spot with broken wires on the cable.
> 1.  I was hoping to replace it in the Fall/Spring when the boat is out of
> the water.  Should I be more worried and plan to do it sooner?  There is
> plenty of intact cable, but I don’t know what causes these breaks and if
> they are an indication of imminent failure.
> 2.  the area under the pedestal is inaccessible without removing the
> pedestal.  Obviously that is a big job, which I have never done.  Is it
> possible to replace the cable without removing the pedestal?  Would I be
> smart to hire someone to do this job (PITA for me, but easier for someone
> experienced)?
> Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
> 
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Stus-List Re: Steering cable

[rockland bazemore via CnC-List]

Hey David I believe so yes. I just changed my wire and chain with
replacements from Edson. (also had a broken strand that hooked my meat) I
did remove the binnacle because I also wanted to change the throttle/ gear
cables and also most importantly treat the Idler plate that holds the
sheaves for the wire rope with some anti rust love POR 3-step. I thank my
lucky stars mine was in much better shape than some other 37/40 owners'.
There's good videos on Edson's website showing how to do it. Just make sure
you cross the wire rope in side the binnacle! I didn't. Then I did. fun
stuff.
https://edsonmarine.com/sailboat-product-videos/
Good luck!

-- 
Rockland Bazemore
S/V Blue Pearl
C&C 37/40+
Port Washington, NY
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Stus-List Re: Steering cable

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I would suggest using the old cable as a messanger line.

Marek
1994 C270 Legato
Ottawa ON



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 Original message 
From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
Date: 2021-08-12 13:48 (GMT-05:00)
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Irvin 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Steering cable

You need someone nimble and experienced!

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:45 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

 A friend at our yacht club had his steering cable snap the other day.  I had 
been planning a steering system lube and check for a few years and this 
motivated me to move it to the top of my priority list.  While I was lubing and 
checking yesterday, I found one spot with broken wires on the cable.
1.  I was hoping to replace it in the Fall/Spring when the boat is out of the 
water.  Should I be more worried and plan to do it sooner?  There is plenty of 
intact cable, but I don’t know what causes these breaks and if they are an 
indication of imminent failure.
2.  the area under the pedestal is inaccessible without removing the pedestal.  
Obviously that is a big job, which I have never done.  Is it possible to 
replace the cable without removing the pedestal?  Would I be smart to hire 
someone to do this job (PITA for me, but easier for someone experienced)?
Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Re: Steering cable

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Edson has the world's best customer service (not just because Rob works
there).  Last time I called, the owner called back and gave me his cell#!
I'd start with a call to them.

Joel

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 1:49 PM John Irvin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You need someone nimble and experienced!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:45 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>  A friend at our yacht club had his steering cable snap the other day.  I
> had been planning a steering system lube and check for a few years and this
> motivated me to move it to the top of my priority list.  While I was lubing
> and checking yesterday, I found one spot with broken wires on the cable.
> 1.  I was hoping to replace it in the Fall/Spring when the boat is out of
> the water.  Should I be more worried and plan to do it sooner?  There is
> plenty of intact cable, but I don’t know what causes these breaks and if
> they are an indication of imminent failure.
> 2.  the area under the pedestal is inaccessible without removing the
> pedestal.  Obviously that is a big job, which I have never done.  Is it
> possible to replace the cable without removing the pedestal?  Would I be
> smart to hire someone to do this job (PITA for me, but easier for someone
> experienced)?
> Thanks- Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
> 
>
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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> - Stu



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Stus-List Re: Steering cable

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Dave,

If your 34+ is anything like my 37+, you should not have to remove the 
pedestal. It’s tricky getting your hands in there to run the wire, but it is 
doable. Certainly a DIY job. The complete change took me about 2-3 hours.  

And yes, if you are starting to see the wire go, you should do the job sooner 
rather than later. Mine snapped in the middle of a race (luckily, I was in 
first place at the time with no boats around me, but it could have been a 
disaster.) 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B (for sale - NCC-1701-C is under contract)
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL












On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:44 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

A friend at our yacht club had his steering cable snap the other day.  I had 
been planning a steering system lube and check for a few years and this 
motivated me to move it to the top of my priority list.  While I was lubing and 
checking yesterday, I found one spot with broken wires on the cable.  
1.  I was hoping to replace it in the Fall/Spring when the boat is out of the 
water.  Should I be more worried and plan to do it sooner?  There is plenty of 
intact cable, but I don’t know what causes these breaks and if they are an 
indication of imminent failure.
2.  the area under the pedestal is inaccessible without removing the pedestal.  
Obviously that is a big job, which I have never done.  Is it possible to 
replace the cable without removing the pedestal?  Would I be smart to hire 
someone to do this job (PITA for me, but easier for someone experienced)?
Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List Re: Steering cable

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

You need someone nimble and experienced!

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 12, 2021, at 1:45 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List  
wrote:

 A friend at our yacht club had his steering cable snap the other day.  I had 
been planning a steering system lube and check for a few years and this 
motivated me to move it to the top of my priority list.  While I was lubing and 
checking yesterday, I found one spot with broken wires on the cable.
1.  I was hoping to replace it in the Fall/Spring when the boat is out of the 
water.  Should I be more worried and plan to do it sooner?  There is plenty of 
intact cable, but I don’t know what causes these breaks and if they are an 
indication of imminent failure.
2.  the area under the pedestal is inaccessible without removing the pedestal.  
Obviously that is a big job, which I have never done.  Is it possible to 
replace the cable without removing the pedestal?  Would I be smart to hire 
someone to do this job (PITA for me, but easier for someone experienced)?
Thanks- Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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