Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[John Read via CnC-List]

I doubt there would be room.  The grease also prevents water over filling
the tube

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023, 8:24 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I bought a zerk fitting to add to the grease cup.  The idea of a
> hose extension is a good one.  I was thinking some shaft packing material
> might help?
>
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> *From:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:23:57 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
>
> Thanks for reminding me.  I have to take the grease gun to the boat and
> grease the rudder bearings, next time.
>
> Chuck S
>
> On 04/20/2023 10:46 PM John Read via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection,
> the 34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a
> close tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by
> fiberglass struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about
> a foot or so from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering
> quadrant and be well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit
> floor square cast bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole
> for rudder shaft is also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole
> edges.  This is the real issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting
> hole allowing the rudder post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the
> fitting and insert a new bushing.
>
>
> On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup.
> Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal
> maintenance.  I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I
> could insert grease from the locker and not have to crawl back there
>
>
> Best of luck
>
>
> John Read
>
> 1982 C 34
>
>
> *From:* Korbey Hunt via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 1:45 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike ; Korbey Hunt <
> kampf2...@hotmail.com>
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
>
>
> Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below
> the cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two
> that need replacement?
>
>
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>
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
>
>
> On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com at the bottom of the page is a
> link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we undertook two years
> ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.
>
>
> At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch
> of cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was
> in fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find
> until we cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you
> are enjoying all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> www.hoytsailing.com
>
>
> *From:* John Read via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* John Read 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
>
>
> Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under
> tiller fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82
> 34.  Fix was done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine
> shop inserted bronze bearing. Reinstall.  John Read
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while
> under power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I
> plan to haul out in June to inspect.
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Second the Hose extension.  I bought one for my 39, and never put it on.
Sorry Rich. I did leave it with the boat. Every time I thought of doing it,
it was in the water, and I would freak out when I thought of crossthreading
that hose all the way into that convoluted space, which I couldn't even
see. Putting a nipple into threads I cannot see is what nightmares are made
of.  Below the waterline, anyways. If I *Had* done it, I would have put one
of these on the end of the hose.

https://www.amazon.com/Lubesite-205-Feeder-Grease-Oz/dp/B000CD96IM/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2UH94E2OE9N3T=lubesite+grease+feeder=1682090312=lubesite%2Caps%2C82=8-2

Bill Coleman

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:24 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I bought a zerk fitting to add to the grease cup.  The idea of a
> hose extension is a good one.  I was thinking some shaft packing material
> might help?
>
>
>
>
> I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection,
> the 34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a
> close tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by
> fiberglass struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about
> a foot or so from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering
> quadrant and be well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit
> floor square cast bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole
> for rudder shaft is also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole
> edges.  This is the real issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting
> hole allowing the rudder post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the
> fitting and insert a new bushing.
>
>
> On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup.
> Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal
> maintenance.  I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I
> could insert grease from the locker and not have to crawl back there
>
>
> Best of luck
>
>
> John Read
>
> 1982 C 34
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thanks.  I bought a zerk fitting to add to the grease cup.  The idea of a hose 
extension is a good one.  I was thinking some shaft packing material might help?

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From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:23:57 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

Thanks for reminding me.  I have to take the grease gun to the boat and grease 
the rudder bearings, next time.

Chuck S
On 04/20/2023 10:46 PM John Read via CnC-List  wrote:



I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection, the 
34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a close 
tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by fiberglass 
struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about a foot or so 
from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering quadrant and be 
well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit floor square cast 
bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole for rudder shaft is 
also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole edges.  This is the real 
issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting hole allowing the rudder 
post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the fitting and insert a new 
bushing.


On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup.  
Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal maintenance.  
I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I could insert grease 
from the locker and not have to crawl back there


Best of luck


John Read

1982 C 34


From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 1:45 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below the 
cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that need 
replacement?


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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com/> at the 
bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we 
undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.


At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of 
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in 
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we 
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are enjoying 
all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!


Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com/>


From: John Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under tiller 
fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  Fix was 
done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop inserted bronze 
bearing. Reinstall.  John Read


On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.


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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Thanks for reminding me.  I have to take the grease gun to the boat and grease 
the rudder bearings, next time.

Chuck S

> On 04/20/2023 10:46 PM John Read via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection, 
> the 34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a 
> close tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by 
> fiberglass struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about a 
> foot or so from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering 
> quadrant and be well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit 
> floor square cast bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole for 
> rudder shaft is also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole edges. 
>  This is the real issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting hole 
> allowing the rudder post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the fitting 
> and insert a new bushing.
> 
> 
> On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup. 
>  Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal 
> maintenance.  I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I 
> could insert grease from the locker and not have to crawl back there
> 
> 
> Best of luck
> 
> 
> John Read
> 
> 1982 C 34
> 
> 
> From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 1:45 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Korbey Hunt 
> 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
> 
> 
> Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below 
> the cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that 
> need replacement?
> 
> 
> Get Outlook for Android https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg
> 
> 
> -
> 
> From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com >
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
> 
> 
> On Persistence websitehttp://www.hoytsailing.com/ at the bottom of the 
> page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we undertook 
> two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.
> 
> 
> At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch 
> of cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was 
> in fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until 
> we cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are 
> enjoying all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!
> 
> 
> Mike Hoyt
> 
> Persistence
> 
> Halifax, NShttp://www.hoytsailing.com
> 
> 
> 
>     From: John Read via CnC-List  mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com >
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble
> 
> 
> Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under 
> tiller fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  
> Fix was done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop 
> inserted bronze bearing. Reinstall.  John Read 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble 
> > while under power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the 
> > remedy.  I plan to haul out in June to inspect.
> > 
> > 
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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[John Read via CnC-List]

I dropped my rudder for repairs some 10 years ago and to my recollection,
the 34 system does not have a lower bushing or bearing.  Rather is just a
close tolerance fiberglass tube.  The outside of the tube is braced by
fiberglass struts to the interior of the hull.  Top of the tube ends about a
foot or so from underside of cockpit floor to provide space for steering
quadrant and be well above water line.  Shaft continues up through cockpit
floor square cast bronze fitting held in place by 4 bolts.   Fitting hole
for rudder shaft is also close tolerance so threads for donut ride on hole
edges.  This is the real issue as over time the threads enlarge the fitting
hole allowing the rudder post to wobble.  Hence the solution to remove the
fitting and insert a new bushing.

 

On a related note, the tube should have a threaded hole for a grease cup.
Ensure that is working so you can insert grease as part of normal
maintenance.  I replace the cup with a hydraulic hose with fittings so I
could insert grease from the locker and not have to crawl back there

 

Best of luck

 

John Read

1982 C 34

 

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 1:45 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

 

Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below the
cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that
need replacement? 

 

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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble 

 

On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com <http://www.hoytsailing.com/>  at
the bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project
that we undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be
similar.

 

At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are
enjoying all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!

 

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com <http://www.hoytsailing.com> 

 

From: John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

 

Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under
tiller fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.
Fix was done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop
inserted bronze bearing. Reinstall.  John Read 

 

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan
to haul out in June to inspect.

 

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Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

Drop the rudder and inspect bearing surfaces.

Sure you tell the yard when you haul out that you want to drop the rudder
because often times they won't give you enough space to be able to get the
neck out of the boat and you don't want to have to pay to have them lift
you again to drop the rudder

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 10:23 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while
> under power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.
> I plan to haul out in June to inspect.
>
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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thank you.  It would be difficult to access anything in the space below the 
cockpit. Where can I purchase a replacement bearing?  Are there two that need 
replacement?

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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 10:41:35 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble


On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com/> at the 
bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we 
undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.



At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of 
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in 
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we 
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are enjoying 
all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!



Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

www.hoytsailing.com



From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble



Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under tiller 
fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  Fix was 
done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop inserted bronze 
bearing. Reinstall.  John Read



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mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.



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[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

On Persistence website www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com> at the 
bottom of the page is a link to the rudder bearing replacement project that we 
undertook two years ago.  Different boat but much of it will be similar.

At least you will not have to deal with a steering  quadrant and a bunch of 
cables so access should be better.  We found that the lower bearing (was in 
fact a bushing) had screws holding it in place that we did not find until we 
cut out the old bearing.  Look closely for these screws while you are enjoying 
all the comforts of crawling around in your cockpit locker!

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com

From: John Read via CnC-List 
Sent: April 20, 2023 2:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John Read 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller Wobble

Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under tiller 
fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82 34.  Fix was 
done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine shop inserted bronze 
bearing. Reinstall.  John Read

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while under 
power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.  I plan to 
haul out in June to inspect.

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[John Read via CnC-List]

Check bearing where rudder post comes through cockpit floor just under
tiller fitting. It wears over time allowing wobble. Had issue with my 82
34.  Fix was done on the hard.  Support rudder. Remove bearing. Machine
shop inserted bronze bearing. Reinstall.  John Read

On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 1:23 PM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a 1980 34 C that has developed a profound tiller wobble while
> under power .  Has anyone else had this experience?  What is the remedy.
> I plan to haul out in June to inspect.
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
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[John Read via CnC-List]

Had same issue on my 34.  Could see the doughnut nut and shaft top wobble
about.  Could also move bottom of rudder side to side easily.  Also had
issue of rain and water leaking past doughnut nut and suspected caused by
nut and delrin washer not sitting square onto plate.  Have regularly greased
shaft - have tube and grease fitting.  Steers like butter. Very smooth.
Fixed wobble when on the hard by supporting rudder, removing plate secured
to cockpit floor, found hole for shaft was worn and was larger diameter than
threads of shaft.  Had machine shop replace bronze bearing of correct size.
The bronze bearing wears over time as interfaces with stainless threads of
shaft.  Reinstall.  Wobble gone and water leakage is now minimal.  Biggest
issue is crawling under floor to get to nuts holding plate,  2 man job as do
not want to rotate bolts so as to not disturb butyl sealer so 1 below
working the nuts and 1 topside keeping bolts from moving

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:20 PM
To: Stus-List
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Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble

 

My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with
engine at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or
easy bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe
1/8" when testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has
anyone else experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of
replacement?  Should I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over
the years.

Korbey, SV Oz

 

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[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Drilled a hole in the center of the cap, pushed the Zerk through hole, and put 
a washer and nut on inside of cap.

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Thanks.  I have never greased it (5 yrs)  and I doubt the prior owner did.  
Sounds like a good place to start.  How did you install the zerk fitting?

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Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 12:15:10 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble

Had same thoughts. Grease is easy place to start and he has never greased, so 
way past time. If that doesn't resolve wobble, then inspect rudder for 
irregularities, cutless bearing and shaft, propeller, etc. He'll have to haul 
boat for all that. Could look at shaft, coupler, and seal from inside boat. 
Maybe watch from down below while someone drives at 3000 rpm?
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I didn’t know the 34 came with a tiller option.  My 1978 34 had a wheel, as 
does every other 34 I’ve ever seen (about a half dozen or so).  Interesting.



Given that the wobble corresponds to RPMs, I would not guess it’s a tiller or 
rudder grease issue.  I’m no expert, but it sounds more like a prop shaft strut 
or cutless bearing issue.  Did you by chance have a dock line sucked into your 
prop before the vibration started?



Matt Wolford



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My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with engine 
at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or easy 
bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe 1/8" when 
testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of replacement?  Should 
I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over the years.

Korbey, SV Oz



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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thanks.  I have never greased it (5 yrs)  and I doubt the prior owner did.  
Sounds like a good place to start.  How did you install the zerk fitting?

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From: Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble

Had same thoughts. Grease is easy place to start and he has never greased, so 
way past time. If that doesn't resolve wobble, then inspect rudder for 
irregularities, cutless bearing and shaft, propeller, etc. He'll have to haul 
boat for all that. Could look at shaft, coupler, and seal from inside boat. 
Maybe watch from down below while someone drives at 3000 rpm?
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble


I didn’t know the 34 came with a tiller option.  My 1978 34 had a wheel, as 
does every other 34 I’ve ever seen (about a half dozen or so).  Interesting.



Given that the wobble corresponds to RPMs, I would not guess it’s a tiller or 
rudder grease issue.  I’m no expert, but it sounds more like a prop shaft strut 
or cutless bearing issue.  Did you by chance have a dock line sucked into your 
prop before the vibration started?



Matt Wolford



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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble



My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with engine 
at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or easy 
bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe 1/8" when 
testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of replacement?  Should 
I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over the years.

Korbey, SV Oz



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[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Had same thoughts. Grease is easy place to start and he has never greased, so 
way past time. If that doesn't resolve wobble, then inspect rudder for 
irregularities, cutless bearing and shaft, propeller, etc. He'll have to haul 
boat for all that. Could look at shaft, coupler, and seal from inside boat. 
Maybe watch from down below while someone drives at 3000 rpm?
Jeff Laman

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To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Tiller wobble


I didn’t know the 34 came with a tiller option.  My 1978 34 had a wheel, as 
does every other 34 I’ve ever seen (about a half dozen or so).  Interesting.



Given that the wobble corresponds to RPMs, I would not guess it’s a tiller or 
rudder grease issue.  I’m no expert, but it sounds more like a prop shaft strut 
or cutless bearing issue.  Did you by chance have a dock line sucked into your 
prop before the vibration started?



Matt Wolford



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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble



My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with engine 
at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or easy 
bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe 1/8" when 
testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of replacement?  Should 
I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over the years.

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[nausetbeach--- via CnC-List]

I had a similar wobble with a small gap between the lower roller bearing on
the rudder post and the boat “tube” built into the hull.  Noticed it when on
the hard for the winter I could rock the rudder by hand and see the bearing
move back and forth.   I found a large O ring of the correct diameter
[believe on McMaster Carr] to just fit around the bearing with a thickness
about ½ of the slack space, dropped the rudder slightly and rolled the O
ring onto the bearing near the top.  Reinstalled the rudder.  Took a bit to
work the rudder back in, but the O ring did fill the space and eliminated
the slack.  Did this ~ 15 years ago and it still is tight.  I think the idea
came from this list – way back when.

 

This may or may not work for your situation.  

 

Brian

 

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Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble

 

My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with
engine at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or
easy bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe
1/8" when testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has
anyone else experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of
replacement?  Should I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over
the years.

Korbey, SV Oz

 

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[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Crawl back to where you see the rudder shaft. Sorry I don't have a photo. 
Others will I am sure.  Where steel rudder shaft is enclosed in the fiberglass 
hull, or shaft tube, you should find a grease cap on the forward side. Looks a 
little bigger than a soda bottle cap and is metal. Remove the cap, fill with 
grease, and tighten all the way down. Repeat. Tightening the cap forces the 
grease out of the cap and into the tube. The first time I greased the rudder 
tube I filled the cap 40 times (I am certain the shaft hadn't been greased for 
decades). That's when I realized a Zerk fitting, 6ft hose, and grease gun was 
needed. Now I screw hose into gun, give it ten or so pumps, and done.

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From: Korbey Hunt 
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 3:45:53 PM
To: Jeffrey A. Laman ; Stus-List 
Subject: Re: Tiller wobble

Thanks.  I have never added grease.  Not sure where to put it.

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From: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 11:28:11 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Re: Tiller wobble

Korbey,
Try filling the rudder shaft tube full of waterproof grease.  Most recommend 
"Green Grease" but I have been using "Corrosion Block Waterproof Grease" (it's 
blue...).  My 81 C has a grease cup, but I and others have added a grease 
fitting to the cup to pump the tube full.  I just did mine yesterday -- rudder 
started to move a little more than usual under sail on Thursday in 2 to 3 ft 
seas.  Grease always puts a stop to it.  Friday sail in similar conditions with 
no rudder movement.  I fill the tube about twice a summer. Have never 
experienced the wobble while motoring, but then I don't ever go as high as 3000 
rpms.
Jeff Laman
81 C Harmony
Ludington, MI

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Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble

My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with engine 
at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or easy 
bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe 1/8" when 
testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of replacement?  Should 
I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over the years.
Korbey, SV Oz

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[Matthew via CnC-List]

I didn't know the 34 came with a tiller option.  My 1978 34 had a wheel, as
does every other 34 I've ever seen (about a half dozen or so).  Interesting.

 

Given that the wobble corresponds to RPMs, I would not guess it's a tiller
or rudder grease issue.  I'm no expert, but it sounds more like a prop shaft
strut or cutless bearing issue.  Did you by chance have a dock line sucked
into your prop before the vibration started?

 

Matt Wolford 

 

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Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble

 

My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with
engine at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or
easy bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe
1/8" when testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has
anyone else experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of
replacement?  Should I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over
the years.

Korbey, SV Oz

 

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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Thanks.  I have never added grease.  Not sure where to put it.

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From: Jeffrey A. Laman 
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 11:28:11 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Re: Tiller wobble

Korbey,
Try filling the rudder shaft tube full of waterproof grease.  Most recommend 
"Green Grease" but I have been using "Corrosion Block Waterproof Grease" (it's 
blue...).  My 81 C has a grease cup, but I and others have added a grease 
fitting to the cup to pump the tube full.  I just did mine yesterday -- rudder 
started to move a little more than usual under sail on Thursday in 2 to 3 ft 
seas.  Grease always puts a stop to it.  Friday sail in similar conditions with 
no rudder movement.  I fill the tube about twice a summer. Have never 
experienced the wobble while motoring, but then I don't ever go as high as 3000 
rpms.
Jeff Laman
81 C Harmony
Ludington, MI

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Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 3:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble

My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with engine 
at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or easy 
bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe 1/8" when 
testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of replacement?  Should 
I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over the years.
Korbey, SV Oz

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[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Korbey,
Try filling the rudder shaft tube full of waterproof grease.  Most recommend 
"Green Grease" but I have been using "Corrosion Block Waterproof Grease" (it's 
blue...).  My 81 C has a grease cup, but I and others have added a grease 
fitting to the cup to pump the tube full.  I just did mine yesterday -- rudder 
started to move a little more than usual under sail on Thursday in 2 to 3 ft 
seas.  Grease always puts a stop to it.  Friday sail in similar conditions with 
no rudder movement.  I fill the tube about twice a summer. Have never 
experienced the wobble while motoring, but then I don't ever go as high as 3000 
rpms.
Jeff Laman
81 C Harmony
Ludington, MI

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 3:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Korbey Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Tiller wobble

My 1980 34 C has a tiller that wobbles excessively when running with engine 
at 3,000 rpm.  A cursory inspection does not show any adjustment or easy 
bearing replacement.  All bolts are tight. There is some slack, maybe 1/8" when 
testing the tiller by moving back and forth at the dock. Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a known easy solution short of replacement?  Should 
I be concerned.  This seems to have gotten worse over the years.
Korbey, SV Oz

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