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I had a 20 amp Hart inverter / charger in my sailboat. When it failed I replaced it with an inverter and separate charger, The Hart was the size of 3 shoe boxes, new units combined are 1/2 the size. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Rick Brass via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 7:07 PM To: 'Stus-List'<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Rick Brass<mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter I second Josh’s endorsement of the Pro Mariner Pro Nautic. I originally installed an old Xantrex (I think 30 amp) mainly because it was cheap on eBay. It lasted well over a decade, and I was happy with it. But it eventually failed and I replaced with a new 40 amp Xantrex in about 2014. It crapped out a few months after the warranty period. A friend who is a marine electronics wizard (people actually pay him to come to Florida to work on their boats) told me that Xantrex had been bought and the quality had gone to pot. Pro Mariner was one of his recommendations for the replacement. BTW, I was considering getting an inverter/charger and he suggested getting two devices instead of one. With an inverter/charger if either system fails you tend to lose both functions. So I have more than adequate charging capacity for the big house bank to run the boat systems, and a 1000W sine wave inverter for AC things like charging the laptop and the various rechargeable items on the boat. And I prefer to hand grind fresh coffee beans ( the Japanese grinder on the boat may have cost more than the inverter) and use a French Press for coffee. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Josh via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 5:11 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Josh Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter FWIW: I have had 2 bad experiences with modern Xantrex TrueCharge II chargers. One was 40 amps and I believe the second was 60 amps. I finally replaced them with a ProMariner Pro Nautic P1260. The charger has served me well in nearly every possible capacity. That experience has left a bad taste in my mouth with regard to modern Xantrex products. I would encourage anyone interested to investigate a Pro Mariner line of inverters. https://www.promariner.com/en/products/marine%20dc%20to%20ac%20power%20inverters<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.promariner.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmarine%2520dc%2520to%2520ac%2520power%2520inverters=05%7C01%7C%7Cf22f62f5a4cb4bb93ed608dacb6535a3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638045932795977514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=NThpUKI4KW6bD2T4I1jbwil87Ud0rx722%2BC6YNz4IRU%3D=0> Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD Nov 18, 2022 13:09:37 Korbey Hunt via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>: I use an old fashioned stove top percolator for coffee on Darlin. I use a Zero Water pitcher/ filter to remove any “tank” flavor from the water. It will deliver water with less than 5 ppm dissolved solids for a $35 investment. Works great! I am based in Seattle and appreciate good coffee. A paper filter added to the bottom of the basket keeps the grounds out of the cup. Wonderful, just set the percolator on medium heat when you get up. It is ready after you take a potty break and brush your teeth. Sent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986=05%7C01%7C%7Cf22f62f5a4cb4bb93ed608dacb6535a3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638045932795977514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=mC3TpFcX8fmAINAFxPIZ9gQn3N02m6oVhAZOhhVw8mg%3D=0> for Windows Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:55 AM To: Stus-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Hoyt, Mike<mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Thanks Chuck On Persistence we simply boil the water and use a French press for coffee. The Vigil Shorepower brand inverter that was listed as tested and working on our pre--purchase survey in 2014 never has worked for us. I have a small sine-wave inverter mounted under the chart table that we use for the odd 110v needs (charging and computers). We recently purchased a WolfPup 16PF travel trailer for something of a change. It has no inverter and I am considering installing one. Also have a 1200w inverter generator (also too small for Keurig). The inverter would mainly be just to run a tv and such. Am thinking of replacing the “converter” with a Converter/inverter (I know Renogy makes a bunch of those as does Xantrex). I am constantly amazed at the difference in quality between a boat and a trailer. However they are quite similar in many ways Mike From: Novabraid via CnC-
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I now have a Kreidler 3,000 watt inverter and a Charles marine 60 amp charger. They seem to work well. I also use 900 watts of solar to charge the house batts. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Rick Brass via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 7:07 PM To: 'Stus-List'<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Rick Brass<mailto:rickbr...@earthlink.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter I second Josh’s endorsement of the Pro Mariner Pro Nautic. I originally installed an old Xantrex (I think 30 amp) mainly because it was cheap on eBay. It lasted well over a decade, and I was happy with it. But it eventually failed and I replaced with a new 40 amp Xantrex in about 2014. It crapped out a few months after the warranty period. A friend who is a marine electronics wizard (people actually pay him to come to Florida to work on their boats) told me that Xantrex had been bought and the quality had gone to pot. Pro Mariner was one of his recommendations for the replacement. BTW, I was considering getting an inverter/charger and he suggested getting two devices instead of one. With an inverter/charger if either system fails you tend to lose both functions. So I have more than adequate charging capacity for the big house bank to run the boat systems, and a 1000W sine wave inverter for AC things like charging the laptop and the various rechargeable items on the boat. And I prefer to hand grind fresh coffee beans ( the Japanese grinder on the boat may have cost more than the inverter) and use a French Press for coffee. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Josh via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 5:11 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Josh Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter FWIW: I have had 2 bad experiences with modern Xantrex TrueCharge II chargers. One was 40 amps and I believe the second was 60 amps. I finally replaced them with a ProMariner Pro Nautic P1260. The charger has served me well in nearly every possible capacity. That experience has left a bad taste in my mouth with regard to modern Xantrex products. I would encourage anyone interested to investigate a Pro Mariner line of inverters. https://www.promariner.com/en/products/marine%20dc%20to%20ac%20power%20inverters<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.promariner.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmarine%2520dc%2520to%2520ac%2520power%2520inverters=05%7C01%7C%7Cf22f62f5a4cb4bb93ed608dacb6535a3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638045932795977514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=NThpUKI4KW6bD2T4I1jbwil87Ud0rx722%2BC6YNz4IRU%3D=0> Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD Nov 18, 2022 13:09:37 Korbey Hunt via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>: I use an old fashioned stove top percolator for coffee on Darlin. I use a Zero Water pitcher/ filter to remove any “tank” flavor from the water. It will deliver water with less than 5 ppm dissolved solids for a $35 investment. Works great! I am based in Seattle and appreciate good coffee. A paper filter added to the bottom of the basket keeps the grounds out of the cup. Wonderful, just set the percolator on medium heat when you get up. It is ready after you take a potty break and brush your teeth. Sent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986=05%7C01%7C%7Cf22f62f5a4cb4bb93ed608dacb6535a3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638045932795977514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=mC3TpFcX8fmAINAFxPIZ9gQn3N02m6oVhAZOhhVw8mg%3D=0> for Windows Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:55 AM To: Stus-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Hoyt, Mike<mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Thanks Chuck On Persistence we simply boil the water and use a French press for coffee. The Vigil Shorepower brand inverter that was listed as tested and working on our pre--purchase survey in 2014 never has worked for us. I have a small sine-wave inverter mounted under the chart table that we use for the odd 110v needs (charging and computers). We recently purchased a WolfPup 16PF travel trailer for something of a change. It has no inverter and I am considering installing one. Also have a 1200w inverter generator (also too small for Keurig). The inverter would mainly be just to run a tv and such. Am thinking of replacing the “converter” with a Converter/inverter (I know Renogy makes a bunch of those as does Xantrex). I am constantly amazed at the difference in quality between a boat and a trailer. However they are quite similar in many ways Mike From: Novabraid via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
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I second Josh’s endorsement of the Pro Mariner Pro Nautic. I originally installed an old Xantrex (I think 30 amp) mainly because it was cheap on eBay. It lasted well over a decade, and I was happy with it. But it eventually failed and I replaced with a new 40 amp Xantrex in about 2014. It crapped out a few months after the warranty period. A friend who is a marine electronics wizard (people actually pay him to come to Florida to work on their boats) told me that Xantrex had been bought and the quality had gone to pot. Pro Mariner was one of his recommendations for the replacement. BTW, I was considering getting an inverter/charger and he suggested getting two devices instead of one. With an inverter/charger if either system fails you tend to lose both functions. So I have more than adequate charging capacity for the big house bank to run the boat systems, and a 1000W sine wave inverter for AC things like charging the laptop and the various rechargeable items on the boat. And I prefer to hand grind fresh coffee beans ( the Japanese grinder on the boat may have cost more than the inverter) and use a French Press for coffee. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Josh via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 5:11 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Josh Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter FWIW: I have had 2 bad experiences with modern Xantrex TrueCharge II chargers. One was 40 amps and I believe the second was 60 amps. I finally replaced them with a ProMariner Pro Nautic P1260. The charger has served me well in nearly every possible capacity. That experience has left a bad taste in my mouth with regard to modern Xantrex products. I would encourage anyone interested to investigate a Pro Mariner line of inverters. https://www.promariner.com/en/products/marine%20dc%20to%20ac%20power%20inverters Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD Nov 18, 2022 13:09:37 Korbey Hunt via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >: I use an old fashioned stove top percolator for coffee on Darlin. I use a Zero Water pitcher/ filter to remove any “tank” flavor from the water. It will deliver water with less than 5 ppm dissolved solids for a $35 investment. Works great! I am based in Seattle and appreciate good coffee. A paper filter added to the bottom of the basket keeps the grounds out of the cup. Wonderful, just set the percolator on medium heat when you get up. It is ready after you take a potty break and brush your teeth. Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:55 AM To: Stus-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Hoyt, Mike <mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Thanks Chuck On Persistence we simply boil the water and use a French press for coffee. The Vigil Shorepower brand inverter that was listed as tested and working on our pre--purchase survey in 2014 never has worked for us. I have a small sine-wave inverter mounted under the chart table that we use for the odd 110v needs (charging and computers). We recently purchased a WolfPup 16PF travel trailer for something of a change. It has no inverter and I am considering installing one. Also have a 1200w inverter generator (also too small for Keurig). The inverter would mainly be just to run a tv and such. Am thinking of replacing the “converter” with a Converter/inverter (I know Renogy makes a bunch of those as does Xantrex). I am constantly amazed at the difference in quality between a boat and a trailer. However they are quite similar in many ways Mike From: Novabraid via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: November 18, 2022 1:44 PM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net <mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Mike, I haven’t found it to be a big issue, although I’m running the Keurig either at anchor or on a mooring and not while I’m running a whole lot of other devices such as radar/chartplotter. 12V Adler Barbour refrigerator adds somewhat to the battery draw. The toaster oven is a different story as it is rated at 1300w. That gets used very sparingly. Two series 31 batteries (100amps each) hooked up to 2 100W solar panels helps refresh the system rather quickly. I also tend to turn off various circuits when not in use (gray and fresh water pump, radar, instruments, select lighting) that seems to help keep battery charge levels manageable. Chuck Gilchrest 83’ Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:14 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Hi Chuck Will a 2000w inverter run a coffee machine suc
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Cheap inverters are a curse. There is a reason good ones are more expensive. My electrician buddy explained it to me once, they are built different. I have had good service from my Charles Marine battery charger. I have replaced numerous large West Marine inverters. From: Dennis C. via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 3:59 PM To: Stus-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Dennis C.<mailto:capt...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter First, I have posted here before about my somewhat negative opinion of Xantrex II chargers. My boat repair colleague and I quit installing them after a few failures. We switched to Blue Sea, Promariner and, for smaller installations, Guest. The original Xantrex chargers, while perhaps not as "smart" as the newer chargers, are very reliable. I have a 20 year old Xantrex 20 on Touche'. Note - it's NOT a Xantrex II. I have a spare but have never had to install it. Second, I prefer separate chargers and inverters. If one side fails, you're in it for big $$$. There are folks who repair them but they're not cheap. -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Content trimmed! On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 4:10 PM Josh via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: FWIW: I have had 2 bad experiences with modern Xantrex TrueCharge II chargers. One was 40 amps and I believe the second was 60 amps. I finally replaced them with a ProMariner Pro Nautic P1260. The charger has served me well in nearly every possible capacity. That experience has left a bad taste in my mouth with regard to modern Xantrex products. I would encourage anyone interested to investigate a Pro Mariner line of inverters. https://www.promariner.com/en/products/marine%20dc%20to%20ac%20power%20inverters<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.promariner.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Fmarine%2520dc%2520to%2520ac%2520power%2520inverters=05%7C01%7C%7C2e77023761324dc8883308dac9b885c2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638044091601232885%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=G9p8Wt2tO7sEYkmIaXGTxiZFQEoOEhxBTe2nWDUqVDU%3D=0> Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
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First, I have posted here before about my somewhat negative opinion of Xantrex II chargers. My boat repair colleague and I quit installing them after a few failures. We switched to Blue Sea, Promariner and, for smaller installations, Guest. The original Xantrex chargers, while perhaps not as "smart" as the newer chargers, are very reliable. I have a 20 year old Xantrex 20 on Touche'. Note - it's NOT a Xantrex II. I have a spare but have never had to install it. Second, I prefer separate chargers and inverters. If one side fails, you're in it for big $$$. There are folks who repair them but they're not cheap. -- Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Content trimmed! On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 4:10 PM Josh via CnC-List wrote: > FWIW: I have had 2 bad experiences with modern Xantrex TrueCharge II > chargers. One was 40 amps and I believe the second was 60 amps. I finally > replaced them with a ProMariner Pro Nautic P1260. The charger has served > me well in nearly every possible capacity. That experience has left a bad > taste in my mouth with regard to modern Xantrex products. I would > encourage anyone interested to investigate a Pro Mariner line of inverters. > > > https://www.promariner.com/en/products/marine%20dc%20to%20ac%20power%20inverters > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > >
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FWIW: I have had 2 bad experiences with modern Xantrex TrueCharge II chargers. One was 40 amps and I believe the second was 60 amps. I finally replaced them with a ProMariner Pro Nautic P1260. The charger has served me well in nearly every possible capacity. That experience has left a bad taste in my mouth with regard to modern Xantrex products. I would encourage anyone interested to investigate a Pro Mariner line of inverters. https://www.promariner.com/en/products/marine%20dc%20to%20ac%20power%20inverters Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD Nov 18, 2022 13:09:37 Korbey Hunt via CnC-List : > I use an old fashioned stove top percolator for coffee on Darlin. I use a > Zero Water pitcher/ filter to remove any “tank” flavor from the water. It > will deliver water with less than 5 ppm dissolved solids for a $35 > investment. Works great! I am based in Seattle and appreciate good coffee. > A paper filter added to the bottom of the basket keeps the grounds out of the > cup. Wonderful, just set the percolator on medium heat when you get up. It > is ready after you take a potty break and brush your teeth. > > Sent from Mail[https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986] for Windows > > *Sent: *Friday, November 18, 2022 10:55 AM > *To: *Stus-List[cnc-list@cnc-list.com] > *Cc: *Hoyt, Mike[mike.h...@impgroup.com] > *Subject: *Stus-List Re: charger/inverter > > Thanks Chuck > > On Persistence we simply boil the water and use a French press for coffee. > The Vigil Shorepower brand inverter that was listed as tested and working on > our pre--purchase survey in 2014 never has worked for us. I have a small > sine-wave inverter mounted under the chart table that we use for the odd 110v > needs (charging and computers). > > We recently purchased a WolfPup 16PF travel trailer for something of a > change. It has no inverter and I am considering installing one. Also have a > 1200w inverter generator (also too small for Keurig). The inverter would > mainly be just to run a tv and such. Am thinking of replacing the > “converter” with a Converter/inverter (I know Renogy makes a bunch of those > as does Xantrex). I am constantly amazed at the difference in quality > between a boat and a trailer. However they are quite similar in many ways > > Mike > > *From:* Novabraid via CnC-List > *Sent:* November 18, 2022 1:44 PM > *To:* 'Stus-List' > *Cc:* csgilchr...@comcast.net > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: charger/inverter > > Mike, > > I haven’t found it to be a big issue, although I’m running the Keurig either > at anchor or on a mooring and not while I’m running a whole lot of other > devices such as radar/chartplotter. 12V Adler Barbour refrigerator adds > somewhat to the battery draw. The toaster oven is a different story as it is > rated at 1300w. That gets used very sparingly. Two series 31 batteries > (100amps each) hooked up to 2 100W solar panels helps refresh the system > rather quickly. > > I also tend to turn off various circuits when not in use (gray and fresh > water pump, radar, instruments, select lighting) that seems to help keep > battery charge levels manageable. > > Chuck Gilchrest > > 83’ Landfall 35 > > Padanaram, MA > > *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2022 12:14 PM > *To:* Stus-List > *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: charger/inverter > > Hi Chuck > > Will a 2000w inverter run a coffee machine such as Keurig which draws 600w? > How is this on the batteries? > > Thanks > > Mike Hoyt > > Persistence > > Halifax, NS > > *From:* Novabraid via CnC-List > *Sent:* November 18, 2022 12:07 PM > *To:* 'Stus-List' > *Cc:* csgilchr...@comcast.net > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: charger/inverter > > Pete, > > I have a newer Xantrex 2000W inverter/charger that I use on my Landfall 35. > I have 2 type 31 lead acid house batteries. Because I’m on a mooring and run > 12v refrigeration, I’m also using 2 100w solar panels mounted on the bimini. > > But with regards to the Xantrex inverter/charger, when we cruise, my wife > likes to use her single cup Keurig coffee maker and we also have an older > Black and Decker toaster oven on board. We don’t run both at the same time, > but we’ve never seen huge draw from the batteries afterwards. > > Overall, I’m pretty happy with it. We have used the charger function when > the boat is on the hard for the winter and can plug into “shore power” using > 110V adapter on the shore power cable.. > > Chuck Gilchrest > > 1983 Landfall 35 > > Padanaram, MA > > *From:* pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List > *Sent:* Friday, November 18
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Like most, I think Victron makes great products but a bit pricey. I looked into getting one of their inverter/chargers when I upgraded my battery to a 560AH LiFePO4(LFP) battery. But instead I purchased a Renogy 2000W inverter/charger. I was cautious and motivated by the price. At the time the cost just under $600. It has a 65A battery charger which is easily configurable. And it has default charging profiles for all battery types including LFP, but also a configurable user defined profile(which I prefer for charging my LFP).It also has an automatic transfer switch which automatically uses shore power when available over inverter power. It’s been 2 years, and has been working fine. I installed a small microwave which draws 100A DC when in use. I made a "suicide" cord for testing (i.e. extension cord with 2 male ends) so that I could run power from an inverter outlet to a non-inverter outlet on the same circuit as my 16,500 BTU A/C unit(FlagShip Marine FM16R). It turns out that the A/C uses the same battery power as the microwave (100A DC draw). While I ran the A/C on battery for 5 minutes as a “fun” test, I don’t plan on running the A/C via the inverter, but it is nice to know that I could do so for about 5 hrs on battery alone. I have several write up on my blog. Have a look at: https://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2021/07/electrical-power-system-w-solar.html - Paul E. 1981 C Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Fort Walton Beach, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > On Nov 18, 2022, at 10:38 AM, pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List > wrote: > > I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering > charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. > > There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable > resources to review or recommendations? > > Thanks,
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I use an old fashioned stove top percolator for coffee on Darlin. I use a Zero Water pitcher/ filter to remove any “tank” flavor from the water. It will deliver water with less than 5 ppm dissolved solids for a $35 investment. Works great! I am based in Seattle and appreciate good coffee. A paper filter added to the bottom of the basket keeps the grounds out of the cup. Wonderful, just set the percolator on medium heat when you get up. It is ready after you take a potty break and brush your teeth. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:55 AM To: Stus-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Hoyt, Mike<mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Thanks Chuck On Persistence we simply boil the water and use a French press for coffee. The Vigil Shorepower brand inverter that was listed as tested and working on our pre--purchase survey in 2014 never has worked for us. I have a small sine-wave inverter mounted under the chart table that we use for the odd 110v needs (charging and computers). We recently purchased a WolfPup 16PF travel trailer for something of a change. It has no inverter and I am considering installing one. Also have a 1200w inverter generator (also too small for Keurig). The inverter would mainly be just to run a tv and such. Am thinking of replacing the “converter” with a Converter/inverter (I know Renogy makes a bunch of those as does Xantrex). I am constantly amazed at the difference in quality between a boat and a trailer. However they are quite similar in many ways Mike From: Novabraid via CnC-List Sent: November 18, 2022 1:44 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Mike, I haven’t found it to be a big issue, although I’m running the Keurig either at anchor or on a mooring and not while I’m running a whole lot of other devices such as radar/chartplotter. 12V Adler Barbour refrigerator adds somewhat to the battery draw. The toaster oven is a different story as it is rated at 1300w. That gets used very sparingly. Two series 31 batteries (100amps each) hooked up to 2 100W solar panels helps refresh the system rather quickly. I also tend to turn off various circuits when not in use (gray and fresh water pump, radar, instruments, select lighting) that seems to help keep battery charge levels manageable. Chuck Gilchrest 83’ Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:14 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Hi Chuck Will a 2000w inverter run a coffee machine such as Keurig which draws 600w? How is this on the batteries? Thanks Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: Novabraid via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: November 18, 2022 12:07 PM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net<mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Pete, I have a newer Xantrex 2000W inverter/charger that I use on my Landfall 35. I have 2 type 31 lead acid house batteries. Because I’m on a mooring and run 12v refrigeration, I’m also using 2 100w solar panels mounted on the bimini. But with regards to the Xantrex inverter/charger, when we cruise, my wife likes to use her single cup Keurig coffee maker and we also have an older Black and Decker toaster oven on board. We don’t run both at the same time, but we’ve never seen huge draw from the batteries afterwards. Overall, I’m pretty happy with it. We have used the charger function when the boat is on the hard for the winter and can plug into “shore power” using 110V adapter on the shore power cable.. Chuck Gilchrest 1983 Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:38 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net<mailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List charger/inverter I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable resources to review or recommendations? Thanks,
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I agree. Victron products work well. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 9:03:39 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter FWIW, I went with Vitron with separate units for inverter and charger based on my electrician's recommendation. Joel On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:56 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Heart, now Xantrex seems to dominate as far as I know. I have had one of each, worked fine. The older ones were not true Sine Wave, which meant that you had to run your microwave about twice as long as at the dock. I think they are all now true sine wave, at least that is what I would want. I think, as I have no experience with those. There, that comment was worth about what you paid for it. Bill Coleman Snowy Erie PA On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:39 AM pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable resources to review or recommendations? Thanks, -- Joel
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Thanks Chuck On Persistence we simply boil the water and use a French press for coffee. The Vigil Shorepower brand inverter that was listed as tested and working on our pre--purchase survey in 2014 never has worked for us. I have a small sine-wave inverter mounted under the chart table that we use for the odd 110v needs (charging and computers). We recently purchased a WolfPup 16PF travel trailer for something of a change. It has no inverter and I am considering installing one. Also have a 1200w inverter generator (also too small for Keurig). The inverter would mainly be just to run a tv and such. Am thinking of replacing the “converter” with a Converter/inverter (I know Renogy makes a bunch of those as does Xantrex). I am constantly amazed at the difference in quality between a boat and a trailer. However they are quite similar in many ways Mike From: Novabraid via CnC-List Sent: November 18, 2022 1:44 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Mike, I haven’t found it to be a big issue, although I’m running the Keurig either at anchor or on a mooring and not while I’m running a whole lot of other devices such as radar/chartplotter. 12V Adler Barbour refrigerator adds somewhat to the battery draw. The toaster oven is a different story as it is rated at 1300w. That gets used very sparingly. Two series 31 batteries (100amps each) hooked up to 2 100W solar panels helps refresh the system rather quickly. I also tend to turn off various circuits when not in use (gray and fresh water pump, radar, instruments, select lighting) that seems to help keep battery charge levels manageable. Chuck Gilchrest 83’ Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:14 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Hi Chuck Will a 2000w inverter run a coffee machine such as Keurig which draws 600w? How is this on the batteries? Thanks Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: Novabraid via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: November 18, 2022 12:07 PM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net<mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Pete, I have a newer Xantrex 2000W inverter/charger that I use on my Landfall 35. I have 2 type 31 lead acid house batteries. Because I’m on a mooring and run 12v refrigeration, I’m also using 2 100w solar panels mounted on the bimini. But with regards to the Xantrex inverter/charger, when we cruise, my wife likes to use her single cup Keurig coffee maker and we also have an older Black and Decker toaster oven on board. We don’t run both at the same time, but we’ve never seen huge draw from the batteries afterwards. Overall, I’m pretty happy with it. We have used the charger function when the boat is on the hard for the winter and can plug into “shore power” using 110V adapter on the shore power cable.. Chuck Gilchrest 1983 Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:38 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net<mailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List charger/inverter I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable resources to review or recommendations? Thanks,
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One consideration. If you are producing 1000 watts and you can only put a 500 watt load into from 2 sets of solar panels batts your daily power storage potential will be drastically impaired. To avoid lithium / agm mix issues I run separate chargers to the lithium house bank and agm start blank. Basically, lithium house bank gets all the solar output from 2 Victron 30 amp x 100v controllers connected to 2 sets of 4x 150 watt panels for freezer and refer. They draw about 2,000 watts when both are starting, I have a 3,000 watt inverter to avoid “peak” demand brown out. I turn both freezer and refer off overnight. Freezer bottom is filled with gallon jugs of water. This mass keeps things cold overnight. Refer freezer compartment is full of ice cube trays. These keep refer cool overnight and refreeze during the day, even in 100* weather. My boat is on the Baja in the Sea of Cortez. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows From: Dave S via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 9:30:41 AM To: Stus-List Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net ; Dave S Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Pete - when I researched this there were very few that had a lithium-specific output, however the AGM charge profile was recommended. (Lithium specific may not be necessary) This was useful because I could use my existing charger, which offers 3 charge profiles, but cannot simultaneously charge multiple types - you can’t mix. I was planning a lithium house bank and an agm start battery. I had decided an inverter/charger was not in scope because I did not wish to support higher wattage AC appliances, and also because the chargers and typical associated infrastructure were expensive and overkill for my needs. (It logically ends up being sized as a system, and my boat is relatively small - a 33 mark ii.) There are those who will insist that a lithium bank warrants a high-current charger since the lithium bank can charge at a faster rate, suggesting that you don’t get the full benefit of the lithium bank otherwise. This is a spendy slope and imho flawed logic - my car is capable of very high speeds, however I don’t drive at 200km/hr to justify the purchase. I don’t need or want to. If you need to charge extra fast at a quick marina pit-stop then that’s different. All This to say that as I noodled a similar upgrade I came around to sticking with my old xantrex charger - I think it will do three banks at 20a each. The whole system works better than I could have hoped and I never looked back. Dave 33-2 http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2020/09/4-chargers-controllers-and-monitoring.html?m=1<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcncwindstar.blogspot.com%2F2020%2F09%2F4-chargers-controllers-and-monitoring.html%3Fm%3D1=05%7C01%7C%7C3dcd243093774d0436a308dac9825a57%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638043858940613246%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=oJAqRnpWTEpvUO3sNcjcomuGyKAPgY4n5TfSJM1FJzQ%3D=0> Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2022, at 10:38 AM, pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List wrote: I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable resources to review or recommendations? Thanks,
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Mike, I haven’t found it to be a big issue, although I’m running the Keurig either at anchor or on a mooring and not while I’m running a whole lot of other devices such as radar/chartplotter. 12V Adler Barbour refrigerator adds somewhat to the battery draw. The toaster oven is a different story as it is rated at 1300w. That gets used very sparingly. Two series 31 batteries (100amps each) hooked up to 2 100W solar panels helps refresh the system rather quickly. I also tend to turn off various circuits when not in use (gray and fresh water pump, radar, instruments, select lighting) that seems to help keep battery charge levels manageable. Chuck Gilchrest 83’ Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:14 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Hi Chuck Will a 2000w inverter run a coffee machine such as Keurig which draws 600w? How is this on the batteries? Thanks Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: Novabraid via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: November 18, 2022 12:07 PM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net <mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Pete, I have a newer Xantrex 2000W inverter/charger that I use on my Landfall 35. I have 2 type 31 lead acid house batteries. Because I’m on a mooring and run 12v refrigeration, I’m also using 2 100w solar panels mounted on the bimini. But with regards to the Xantrex inverter/charger, when we cruise, my wife likes to use her single cup Keurig coffee maker and we also have an older Black and Decker toaster oven on board. We don’t run both at the same time, but we’ve never seen huge draw from the batteries afterwards. Overall, I’m pretty happy with it. We have used the charger function when the boat is on the hard for the winter and can plug into “shore power” using 110V adapter on the shore power cable.. Chuck Gilchrest 1983 Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:38 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net <mailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List charger/inverter I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable resources to review or recommendations? Thanks,
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Hi Chuck Will a 2000w inverter run a coffee machine such as Keurig which draws 600w? How is this on the batteries? Thanks Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: Novabraid via CnC-List Sent: November 18, 2022 12:07 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: csgilchr...@comcast.net Subject: Stus-List Re: charger/inverter Pete, I have a newer Xantrex 2000W inverter/charger that I use on my Landfall 35. I have 2 type 31 lead acid house batteries. Because I’m on a mooring and run 12v refrigeration, I’m also using 2 100w solar panels mounted on the bimini. But with regards to the Xantrex inverter/charger, when we cruise, my wife likes to use her single cup Keurig coffee maker and we also have an older Black and Decker toaster oven on board. We don’t run both at the same time, but we’ve never seen huge draw from the batteries afterwards. Overall, I’m pretty happy with it. We have used the charger function when the boat is on the hard for the winter and can plug into “shore power” using 110V adapter on the shore power cable.. Chuck Gilchrest 1983 Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:38 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net Subject: Stus-List charger/inverter I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable resources to review or recommendations? Thanks,
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Pete - when I researched this there were very few that had a lithium-specific output, however the AGM charge profile was recommended. (Lithium specific may not be necessary) This was useful because I could use my existing charger, which offers 3 charge profiles, but cannot simultaneously charge multiple types - you can’t mix. I was planning a lithium house bank and an agm start battery. I had decided an inverter/charger was not in scope because I did not wish to support higher wattage AC appliances, and also because the chargers and typical associated infrastructure were expensive and overkill for my needs. (It logically ends up being sized as a system, and my boat is relatively small - a 33 mark ii.) There are those who will insist that a lithium bank warrants a high-current charger since the lithium bank can charge at a faster rate, suggesting that you don’t get the full benefit of the lithium bank otherwise. This is a spendy slope and imho flawed logic - my car is capable of very high speeds, however I don’t drive at 200km/hr to justify the purchase. I don’t need or want to. If you need to charge extra fast at a quick marina pit-stop then that’s different. All This to say that as I noodled a similar upgrade I came around to sticking with my old xantrex charger - I think it will do three banks at 20a each. The whole system works better than I could have hoped and I never looked back. Dave 33-2 http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2020/09/4-chargers-controllers-and-monitoring.html?m=1 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2022, at 10:38 AM, pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering > charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. > > There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable > resources to review or recommendations? > > Thanks,
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Pete, I have a newer Xantrex 2000W inverter/charger that I use on my Landfall 35. I have 2 type 31 lead acid house batteries. Because I’m on a mooring and run 12v refrigeration, I’m also using 2 100w solar panels mounted on the bimini. But with regards to the Xantrex inverter/charger, when we cruise, my wife likes to use her single cup Keurig coffee maker and we also have an older Black and Decker toaster oven on board. We don’t run both at the same time, but we’ve never seen huge draw from the batteries afterwards. Overall, I’m pretty happy with it. We have used the charger function when the boat is on the hard for the winter and can plug into “shore power” using 110V adapter on the shore power cable.. Chuck Gilchrest 1983 Landfall 35 Padanaram, MA From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 10:38 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net Subject: Stus-List charger/inverter I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable resources to review or recommendations? Thanks,
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FWIW, I went with Vitron with separate units for inverter and charger based on my electrician's recommendation. Joel On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:56 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Heart, now Xantrex seems to dominate as far as I know. > I have had one of each, worked fine. The older ones were not true Sine > Wave, which meant that you had to run your microwave about twice as long as > at the dock. > I think they are all now true sine wave, at least that is what I would > want. I think, as I have no experience with those. > > There, that comment was worth about what you paid for it. > > Bill Coleman > Snowy Erie PA > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:39 AM pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering >> charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. >> >> >> >> There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable >> resources to review or recommendations? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> > -- Joel
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Heart, now Xantrex seems to dominate as far as I know. I have had one of each, worked fine. The older ones were not true Sine Wave, which meant that you had to run your microwave about twice as long as at the dock. I think they are all now true sine wave, at least that is what I would want. I think, as I have no experience with those. There, that comment was worth about what you paid for it. Bill Coleman Snowy Erie PA On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 10:39 AM pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I am looking to update my shore power charger and considering > charger/inverter with lithium batt capabilities. > > > > There are lots of manufacturers out there. Can anyone provide reliable > resources to review or recommendations? > > > > Thanks, >
