Stus-List Re: cng cylinders
Persistence, Mike. Persistence. From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 8:34 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders There are no CNG filling stations for cars in our region. The nearest is in the Montreal area which is over 1000KM from Halifax. We do have a testing station with our gas company that pump capable of filling our canisters. My understanding is that it takes nearly 3 hours to fill one … They have been kind enough to accommodate me with my one tank. Our main issue is that we need to have these tanks DOT 3 certified in Canada every 3 years. The US certification is not accepted here. This means finding a company willing to perform hydrostatic testing and certification of the tanks every five years. That has proven difficult but we have located one that is only 3 hours from Halifax. Most Dive shops and Fire and Safety shops do not wish to work with CNG cylinders and are also unfamiliar with them. Finding some place to buy them new is even more difficult. Corp Brothers was the eastern supplier but they have been purchased I believe by Air Liquide and there was a West Coast company as well but it is long gone. Any Google searches of CNG cylinders turns up large industrial sizes or the ones for using on cars and trucks. These are much larger than the ones used for marine stove fuel, very expensive and totally unsuitable. This brings me back to the other option. Replacing with a propane oven. That would mean a very expensive conversion to the existing oven if even possible at this time or discarding a very well working appliance and purchasing a new one (not where I really want to spend boat bucks). It also means finding a storage location for a propane tank on a boat that does not have a propane locker. That would be a huge job or would involve the ugly solution of hanging a propane tank off the back of the boat. So we have come full circle back to sourcing new CNG cylinders, finding a shop to perform hydrostatic testing and certification every five years and finding a re-filling station. We are almost there! An awful lot of bother to cook the odd breakfast and use the oven once a year Thanks for reading Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS 1987 Frers 33 www.hoytsailing.com <http://www.hoytsailing.com> From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: September 23, 2021 6:39 PM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders I fill mine at the local CNG station that fills cars for about $2.50 or so. My insurance company, Progressive, never asked about CNG or anything else. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA From: Doug via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 5:07 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Doug mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders Try a welding supply shop that also sells welding gasses. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club Port Orchard, WA Original message From: Richard Bush via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 9/23/21 12:39 (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Richard Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders This doesn't answer the question, but my insurance company (Geico through Boat US) made me remove the CNG cylinder from the boat stating it was a fire risk; I had to send proof that the tank was off of the boat before they would grant the insurance; the reason given was that it was mounted in the locker and not a separate enclosed space; since we rarely cook on board, that was the path of least resistance for me...anyone else experienced this? thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: ALAN BERGEN mailto:trya...@alumni.usc.edu> > Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 3:25 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or with your local gas company. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM
Stus-List Re: cng cylinders
There are no CNG filling stations for cars in our region. The nearest is in the Montreal area which is over 1000KM from Halifax. We do have a testing station with our gas company that pump capable of filling our canisters. My understanding is that it takes nearly 3 hours to fill one … They have been kind enough to accommodate me with my one tank. Our main issue is that we need to have these tanks DOT 3 certified in Canada every 3 years. The US certification is not accepted here. This means finding a company willing to perform hydrostatic testing and certification of the tanks every five years. That has proven difficult but we have located one that is only 3 hours from Halifax. Most Dive shops and Fire and Safety shops do not wish to work with CNG cylinders and are also unfamiliar with them. Finding some place to buy them new is even more difficult. Corp Brothers was the eastern supplier but they have been purchased I believe by Air Liquide and there was a West Coast company as well but it is long gone. Any Google searches of CNG cylinders turns up large industrial sizes or the ones for using on cars and trucks. These are much larger than the ones used for marine stove fuel, very expensive and totally unsuitable. This brings me back to the other option. Replacing with a propane oven. That would mean a very expensive conversion to the existing oven if even possible at this time or discarding a very well working appliance and purchasing a new one (not where I really want to spend boat bucks). It also means finding a storage location for a propane tank on a boat that does not have a propane locker. That would be a huge job or would involve the ugly solution of hanging a propane tank off the back of the boat. So we have come full circle back to sourcing new CNG cylinders, finding a shop to perform hydrostatic testing and certification every five years and finding a re-filling station. We are almost there! An awful lot of bother to cook the odd breakfast and use the oven once a year Thanks for reading Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS 1987 Frers 33 www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com> From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: September 23, 2021 6:39 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: j...@dellabarba.com Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders I fill mine at the local CNG station that fills cars for about $2.50 or so. My insurance company, Progressive, never asked about CNG or anything else. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA From: Doug via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 5:07 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Doug mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com>> Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders Try a welding supply shop that also sells welding gasses. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club Port Orchard, WA Original message From: Richard Bush via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Date: 9/23/21 12:39 (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Richard Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com>> Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders This doesn't answer the question, but my insurance company (Geico through Boat US) made me remove the CNG cylinder from the boat stating it was a fire risk; I had to send proof that the tank was off of the boat before they would grant the insurance; the reason given was that it was mounted in the locker and not a separate enclosed space; since we rarely cook on board, that was the path of least resistance for me...anyone else experienced this? thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: ALAN BERGEN mailto:trya...@alumni.usc.edu>> Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 3:25 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or with your local gas company. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking. We are wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders? Thanks Mike Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https:
Stus-List Re: cng cylinders
I fill mine at the local CNG station that fills cars for about $2.50 or so. My insurance company, Progressive, never asked about CNG or anything else. Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA From: Doug via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 5:07 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Doug Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders Try a welding supply shop that also sells welding gasses. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club Port Orchard, WA Original message From: Richard Bush via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 9/23/21 12:39 (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Richard Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders This doesn't answer the question, but my insurance company (Geico through Boat US) made me remove the CNG cylinder from the boat stating it was a fire risk; I had to send proof that the tank was off of the boat before they would grant the insurance; the reason given was that it was mounted in the locker and not a separate enclosed space; since we rarely cook on board, that was the path of least resistance for me...anyone else experienced this? thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: ALAN BERGEN mailto:trya...@alumni.usc.edu> > Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 3:25 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or with your local gas company. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking. We are wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders? Thanks Mike Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-1bPKJH7SrsutyCRG0Gcym3Gu8yP1Fq3JF2XJ_Om705Kj_7M0nJwKywf8jWekl9e3dU$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-1bPKJH7SrsutyCRG0Gcym3Gu8yP1Fq3JF2XJ_Om705Kj_7M0nJwKywf8jWekl9e3dU$> Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray <https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: cng cylinders
Try a welding supply shop that also sells welding gasses. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39Port Orchard Yacht Club Port Orchard, WA Original message From: Richard Bush via CnC-List Date: 9/23/21 12:39 (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Richard Bush Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders This doesn't answer the question, but my insurance company (Geico through Boat US) made me remove the CNG cylinder from the boat stating it was a fire risk; I had to send proof that the tank was off of the boat before they would grant the insurance; the reason given was that it was mounted in the locker and not a separate enclosed space; since we rarely cook on board, that was the path of least resistance for me...anyone else experienced this? thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: ALAN BERGEN Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 3:25 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or with your local gas company. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking. We are wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders? Thanks Mike Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-1bPKJH7SrsutyCRG0Gcym3Gu8yP1Fq3JF2XJ_Om705Kj_7M0nJwKywf8jWekl9e3dU$ Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: cng cylinders
This doesn't answer the question, but my insurance company (Geico through Boat US) made me remove the CNG cylinder from the boat stating it was a fire risk; I had to send proof that the tank was off of the boat before they would grant the insurance; the reason given was that it was mounted in the locker and not a separate enclosed space; since we rarely cook on board, that was the path of least resistance for me...anyone else experienced this? thanks Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4 Richard N. Bush Law Offices 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List To: Stus-List Cc: ALAN BERGEN Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 3:25 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or with your local gas company. Alan Bergen35 Mk III ThirstyRose City YCPortland, OR On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote: There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking. We are wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders? Thanks Mike Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-1bPKJH7SrsutyCRG0Gcym3Gu8yP1Fq3JF2XJ_Om705Kj_7M0nJwKywf8jWekl9e3dU$ Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - StuThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: cng cylinders
Can you buy a new SCUBA tank and replace the threaded piece that connects to the stove hose? Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:30 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks Alan > > > > We have been able to have our tanks refilled but are looking to replace > some with new. Is very difficult to fin a source > > > > Mike Hoyt > > Persistence > > Halifax, NS > > > > *From:* ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List > *Sent:* September 23, 2021 4:25 PM > *To:* Stus-List > *Cc:* ALAN BERGEN > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: cng cylinders > > > > I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse > thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a > tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have > the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a > propane distributor, or with your local gas company. > > > > Alan Bergen > > 35 Mk III Thirsty > > Rose City YC > > Portland, OR > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking. We are > wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders? > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-1bPKJH7SrsutyCRG0Gcym3Gu8yP1Fq3JF2XJ_Om705Kj_7M0nJwKywf8jWekl9e3dU$ > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-1bPKJH7SrsutyCRG0Gcym3Gu8yP1Fq3JF2XJ_Om705Kj_7M0nJwKywf8jWekl9e3dU$> > Thanks - Stu > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!7oZdQcPf8sk3Hvz2nCW3QeZ1NAEU-sEFJYYYetNZNCJk_1VR84ma21BaXlaXVDrXlrQ$ > Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: cng cylinders
Thanks Alan We have been able to have our tanks refilled but are looking to replace some with new. Is very difficult to fin a source Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List Sent: September 23, 2021 4:25 PM To: Stus-List Cc: ALAN BERGEN Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or with your local gas company. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking. We are wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders? Thanks Mike Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-1bPKJH7SrsutyCRG0Gcym3Gu8yP1Fq3JF2XJ_Om705Kj_7M0nJwKywf8jWekl9e3dU$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-1bPKJH7SrsutyCRG0Gcym3Gu8yP1Fq3JF2XJ_Om705Kj_7M0nJwKywf8jWekl9e3dU$> Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
Stus-List Re: cng cylinders
I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or with your local gas company. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking. We are > wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders? > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-1bPKJH7SrsutyCRG0Gcym3Gu8yP1Fq3JF2XJ_Om705Kj_7M0nJwKywf8jWekl9e3dU$ > Thanks - Stu Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
