Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Probably more than you want to know about runners: Ours are a little different. No purchase tackle. We have fixed length runners attached to the upper part of the mast and adjustable checkstays that attach lower on the mast and run down to join together to a snap shackle and a single rope tail runs aft to the deck. Sounds complicated but was standard setup for bendy rigs. On other boats the rope tails are taken to separate a dedicated winches, usually at the very back of the boat. On the 1990 34R, Rob Ball ran the tails to large Shaeffer Series 10 swivel blocks attached to a heavy deck padeye thru the toerail flange just forward of the pushpit. The tails run forward to a second set of heavy blocks and up to the cabin top winches. Theses winches are accessible to the pit man or assigned crew who can stay forward of the busy cockpit area and keep weight off the stern. I've looked for 13 years and never seen this arrangement on any other boat. My boat's PO tried bungis on the backstay (like on some J-105s) to pull the slack runners there, but the boom is so long, it was not practical and the runners returned to the original arrangement. When I single hand, I run the tails to my winches by the wheel and the winches alternate duty; the low side gets the genoa sheet and the high side gets the runner tail. I added bungi retractor cords to pull slack runners to the chainplates. (Credit to U20 website) Actual use: I view runners as a fine tune for the rig and use them when racing or trying to gain speed. If I am daysailing with non-racers, I leave them retracted out of the way. If the wind pipes up, I can easily tension one from the cockpit with no fuss, but the runners aren't required until the backstay is tensioned. 2500# is our max there. Boat in slip: Backstay on about 500#. Runners and checkstays on snug to prevent excessive pumping. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:10:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Chuck, You mentioned a winch, which made me start questioning my setup. The wire from the mast terminates about 2-3 ft above the deck at a 4:1 fiddle block system with cam-cleat. The snap shackle on the lower fiddle block allows attachment to the toe rail in various locations. If I attach the check stays as far aft as possible on the toe rail then they interfere with the boom and main when sailing anything broader than a close reach. So i have to loosen them. Down wind enough and I have to move them forward on the rail. There is a sweet spot where they don't interfere too badly with either the 135% headsail or the main. I still have to loosen them on deep downwind runs. The 4:1 doesn't seem to be enough purchase. You also mentioned a winch? Is this the same setup you have? Thanks, Josh On Jul 31, 2015 8:03 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh, You may have fun with this? When you tighten the backstay to tighten the headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move forward flattening the main. In light and moderate winds, we use the runners to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge ahead. On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can be felt by the crew. I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can repeat the setting easily. Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main. Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied to the chainplates. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Chuck, You mentioned a winch, which made me start questioning my setup. The wire from the mast terminates about 2-3 ft above the deck at a 4:1 fiddle block system with cam-cleat. The snap shackle on the lower fiddle block allows attachment to the toe rail in various locations. If I attach the check stays as far aft as possible on the toe rail then they interfere with the boom and main when sailing anything broader than a close reach. So i have to loosen them. Down wind enough and I have to move them forward on the rail. There is a sweet spot where they don't interfere too badly with either the 135% headsail or the main. I still have to loosen them on deep downwind runs. The 4:1 doesn't seem to be enough purchase. You also mentioned a winch? Is this the same setup you have? Thanks, Josh On Jul 31, 2015 8:03 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh, You may have fun with this? When you tighten the backstay to tighten the headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move forward flattening the main. In light and moderate winds, we use the runners to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge ahead. On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can be felt by the crew. I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can repeat the setting easily. Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main. Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied to the chainplates. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc: *Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com *Sent: *Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Josh We run a much longer and smaller diameter line than that which came in our 4:1 purchase on our check stays. We ease it out and the boom can extend as far as we wish downwind without running the check stays forward. When we harden up or gybe we just haul the line back in. Seems to work well. Our setup sounds very similar to yours Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 1:11 PM To: CC List; Chuck S Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Chuck, You mentioned a winch, which made me start questioning my setup. The wire from the mast terminates about 2-3 ft above the deck at a 4:1 fiddle block system with cam-cleat. The snap shackle on the lower fiddle block allows attachment to the toe rail in various locations. If I attach the check stays as far aft as possible on the toe rail then they interfere with the boom and main when sailing anything broader than a close reach. So i have to loosen them. Down wind enough and I have to move them forward on the rail. There is a sweet spot where they don't interfere too badly with either the 135% headsail or the main. I still have to loosen them on deep downwind runs. The 4:1 doesn't seem to be enough purchase. You also mentioned a winch? Is this the same setup you have? Thanks, Josh On Jul 31, 2015 8:03 AM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh, You may have fun with this? When you tighten the backstay to tighten the headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move forward flattening the main. In light and moderate winds, we use the runners to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge ahead. On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can be felt by the crew. I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can repeat the setting easily. Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main. Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied to the chainplates. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.commailto:muckl...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Josh, You may have fun with this? When you tighten the backstay to tighten the headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move forward flattening the main. In light and moderate winds, we use the runners to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge ahead. On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can be felt by the crew. I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can repeat the setting easily. Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main. Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied to the chainplates. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- When security matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
We have runners w checkstays on our 34R. They help shape the mainsail and can add speed in light winds, but as others have reported, they aren't absolutely required unless the backstay is tensioned heavily. There are several ways to add bunji retractors to pull these out of the way when not used. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:05:57 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Racing CC 40s back when they were new, in the late 70s/early 80s, we used running backstays. They were used to do two things; stop the mast overbending when you had a lot of permanent backstay on and to stop the mast pumping when beating into a lumpy sea. These days, another use for running backstays on many cruiser/racers (like Swans) is to tension an inner forestay on which a staysail is set. As an aside, what we always refer to as check stays is a second set of runners attached lower on the mast, usually on race boats with less...robust...rigs than ours. These again are mostly used to adjust the bend in the mast as the permanent backstay is tightened. The runners and checks control the shape of the main; it's not uncommon to invert the main if you don't have enough tension on the runners and checks when you max out the permanent. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jul 29, 2015, at 05:55, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dwight Yes it does. It seems when cc started trying to make even more performance oriented designs later 80s the check stays came out. The 90sboats more so. Then the tim jacket boats had swept back spreaders and checks went away again. I miss my swept back spreaders. I also really miss fractional rig (when I buy headsails especially) Mike From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of dwight veinot via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 5:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: dwight veinot Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Mike...most older CC's and especially those designed by Cuthbertson don't have swepth back spreaders or running backstays and some with over 50 feet of stick are single spreader...makes life with the rig very easy Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.netmailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think these may be check stays rather than running backs. Running back stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim upwind. Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were looking at boat. Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to turnbuckles at shrouds. I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on transom when wind comes up. We also changed the lines in the blocks to smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out downwind rather than disconnecting. These are not the pita we thought they would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use. If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have this discussion. Mike Persistence 1987 Frees 33 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of scott gary via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 12:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: scott gary Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Dwight Yes it does. It seems when cc started trying to make even more performance oriented designs later 80s the check stays came out. The 90sboats more so. Then the tim jacket boats had swept back spreaders and checks went away again. I miss my swept back spreaders. I also really miss fractional rig (when I buy headsails especially) Mike From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of dwight veinot via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 5:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: dwight veinot Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Mike...most older CC's and especially those designed by Cuthbertson don't have swepth back spreaders or running backstays and some with over 50 feet of stick are single spreader...makes life with the rig very easy Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.netmailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think these may be check stays rather than running backs. Running back stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim upwind. Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were looking at boat. Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to turnbuckles at shrouds. I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on transom when wind comes up. We also changed the lines in the blocks to smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out downwind rather than disconnecting. These are not the pita we thought they would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use. If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have this discussion. Mike Persistence 1987 Frees 33 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of scott gary via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 12:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: scott gary Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Racing CC 40s back when they were new, in the late 70s/early 80s, we used running backstays. They were used to do two things; stop the mast overbending when you had a lot of permanent backstay on and to stop the mast pumping when beating into a lumpy sea. These days, another use for running backstays on many cruiser/racers (like Swans) is to tension an inner forestay on which a staysail is set. As an aside, what we always refer to as check stays is a second set of runners attached lower on the mast, usually on race boats with less...robust...rigs than ours. These again are mostly used to adjust the bend in the mast as the permanent backstay is tightened. The runners and checks control the shape of the main; it's not uncommon to invert the main if you don't have enough tension on the runners and checks when you max out the permanent. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jul 29, 2015, at 05:55, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dwight Yes it does. It seems when cc started trying to make even more performance oriented designs later 80s the check stays came out. The 90sboats more so. Then the tim jacket boats had swept back spreaders and checks went away again. I miss my swept back spreaders. I also really miss fractional rig (when I buy headsails especially) Mike From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of dwight veinot via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 5:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: dwight veinot Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Mike...most older CC's and especially those designed by Cuthbertson don't have swepth back spreaders or running backstays and some with over 50 feet of stick are single spreader...makes life with the rig very easy Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.netmailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think these may be check stays rather than running backs. Running back stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim upwind. Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were looking at boat. Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to turnbuckles at shrouds. I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on transom when wind comes up. We also changed the lines in the blocks to smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out downwind rather than disconnecting. These are not the pita we thought they would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use. If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have this discussion. Mike Persistence 1987 Frees 33 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of scott gary via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 12:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: scott gary Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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We have them and don't find them a pain in the neck. I use them when it is windy (over 10 to 15 knots) or the seas lumpy. On lighter wind days I don't use them at all. Ken Heaton Anne Tobin S/V Salazar - Can 54955 CC 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia On 28 July 2015 at 00:21, scott gary via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I think these may be check stays rather than running backs. Running back stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim upwind. Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were looking at boat. Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to turnbuckles at shrouds. I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on transom when wind comes up. We also changed the lines in the blocks to smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out downwind rather than disconnecting. These are not the pita we thought they would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use. If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have this discussion. Mike Persistence 1987 Frees 33 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of scott gary via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 12:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: scott gary Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The check stays are also used in light air to put shape back in the sail. The offshore rigs are super bendy. If you want to reduce headstay sag and still have shape in the main you need to use these in light wind. Eric 34/36 On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think these may be check stays rather than running backs. Running back stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim upwind. Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were looking at boat. Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to turnbuckles at shrouds. I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on transom when wind comes up. We also changed the lines in the blocks to smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out downwind rather than disconnecting. These are not the pita we thought they would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use. If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have this discussion. Mike Persistence 1987 Frees 33 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of scott gary via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 12:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: scott gary Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Mike...most older CC's and especially those designed by Cuthbertson don't have swepth back spreaders or running backstays and some with over 50 feet of stick are single spreader...makes life with the rig very easy Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think these may be check stays rather than running backs. Running back stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim upwind. Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were looking at boat. Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to turnbuckles at shrouds. I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on transom when wind comes up. We also changed the lines in the blocks to smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out downwind rather than disconnecting. These are not the pita we thought they would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use. If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have this discussion. Mike Persistence 1987 Frees 33 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of scott gary via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 12:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: scott gary Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Running Back Stays
Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
