Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Agree. I used Alpenglow LED fixtures on both Imzadi and Belle.

 

Practical Sailor was effusive in their praise for Alpenglow a few years ago, 
not just because of the low power consumption but because of the color of the 
light and the dispersal pattern. It was their recommendation for the best LED 
lights available.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack 
Fitzgerald via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:52 AM
To: C <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Jack Fitzgerald <j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

 

Bill,

 

Take a look at the Alpenglow LED lights. I replaced all of the old thin light 
with these and although pricy, the work very well and look great




Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald 

HONEY

C 39 TM

 

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

OMG, I can’t believe they are still selling those Thin-Lite fixtures!  And 
still with fluorescent bulbs!   Two of mine are rusty and shot, the other two I 
replaced 12 years ago, and work, but I want all LED, I want to be rid of all 
fluorescent lighting. Maybe I need to Start searching RV.

 

BTW, I would like to thank Fred for pushing me into the MarineBeam  
Steaming/Deck Light, it is a beautiful, elegant and functional fixture, and soo 
much nicer that the Taco light it replaced. 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of S Thomas via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: S Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

 

   The original "Thin-Lite" fixtures are still available, but they are not 
cheap. RVs use them, and there are several sellers on Ebay and Amazon. 

   That said, most of the listers here have recommended LEDs of some sort when 
this question was raised before. 

   I am faced with the same decision and still undecided, but I bought a couple 
of cheap LED strips to play with. LEDs should last longer, but the better ones 
have an electronic constant current source, and long term reliability is 
unknown. Resistive ballasting is more reliable but the resistors have to be 
sized to the maximum charging voltage and the LEDs will be dimmer when on the 
battery. Also, some constant current electronic LED ballast devices generate 
RFI.

I bought some cheap led lights from China, and they are now quite dim 
compared to when new. They are a square array wired to a bulb bayonet but with 
no visible current limiting device.  Even at the rated current, LEDs are not as 
efficient as fluorescent lighting in lumens per watt. 

All in all, my perception is that LEDs are better for a directed light 
source, and fluorescents are better for area lighting. 

 

Steve Thomas

C MKIII

Port Stanley, ON

- Original Message - 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  

Cc: Bill Coleman <mailto:colt...@verizon.net>  

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 08:53

Subject: Stus-List Salon Lighting

 

Most of the older C’s had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the main 
cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up finding a 
replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua Signal  
lights, http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542 
<http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C65136%7C2312540%7C2312542=1607497>
 =1607497

 

But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.

 

What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Francois

I redid all of the overhead fluorescents in Alera with a pair of 12" Lunasea 
light bars in each location.  I just took out the old fixture and attached the 
light bar to the existing wiring and used a good two sided tape to mount them.  
Here's the link to the lights and the cross over connector needed to use two.

http://www.fisheriessupply.com/lunasea-lighting-high-output-led-surface-mount-light-bars

http://www.fisheriessupply.com/lunasea-lighting-6-inch-mini-usb-dc-light-bar-extension-cord-llb-32ah-01-00

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200


> On Jun 11, 2016, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:34:19 -0400
> From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" <jfriv...@us.ibm.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List  Salon Lighting
> Message-ID:
>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> +1 on the Marinebeam stuff.  Top notch and reasonable prices. So far I 
> have replaced almost everything except for the overhead fluorescents 
> (Those are next) and experimented with a couple LED vendors.. 
> 
> Marinebeam is really good, their stuff is great and if you don't overkill 
> it on candle power.. Their "Warm" LED's do a pretty convincing attempt at 
> looking close to a conventional incandescent light  / not looking like a 
> 60's movie interrogation room light.. Their really bright "tower" bulbs 
> are REALLY bright. The one I had bought as a test ended-up as nav table 
> lighting for "in port" use. 
> 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 


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[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

+1 on the Marinebeam stuff.  Top notch and reasonable prices. So far I 
have replaced almost everything except for the overhead fluorescents 
(Those are next) and experimented with a couple LED vendors.. 

Marinebeam is really good, their stuff is great and if you don't overkill 
it on candle power.. Their "Warm" LED's do a pretty convincing attempt at 
looking close to a conventional incandescent light  / not looking like a 
60's movie interrogation room light.. Their really bright "tower" bulbs 
are REALLY bright. The one I had bought as a test ended-up as nav table 
lighting for "in port" use. 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:47:35 +
From: Kevin Driscoll <kevindrisc...@gmail.com>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Dont forget these as an option.
<
https://store.marinebeam.com/12-f8t5-led-tube-for-fluorescent-fixtures-fl-t5-66/
>
I kept my existing Fines Lite fixtures in head, galley, and aft cabin plus
the integrated fixtures in the headliner and replaced all the Fluorescent
Tubes with these T5 LED tubes. Definitely brighter and excellent light
quality. (Natural White is what we went with)

LED's are definitely in the 'you get what you pay for' scheme of things,
IMO.

Kevin
30mkII
Portland


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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I bought mine for a reasonably local guy at Georgian Bay. 
http://www.marineledscanada.ca/
Check pricing, because things have changed dramatically in the market place in 
the last three years. But he was great to deal with. He could easily help you 
select what you need. And you avoid cross-border shipping.

Marek

From: Don Harben via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 12:09
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Don Harben 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

Hi Marek,

I also live in Ontario Canada. Where did you source yours from?

Don 


Don Harben
Viking 34
Life
www.ncyc.ca
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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Marinebeam.com sells some LED T-5's. Not sure if they have the length you need. 
That's the way I'd go. 

I replaced the Thin-Lite double in Touché a few years ago with another one. If 
I used it more I'd put in the marinebeam LED's. 

Just my 2 cents worth. 

That fixture, the fluorescent in the head, the steaming light and bow light are 
the only non-LED's on the boat now. 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> OMG, I can’t believe they are still selling those Thin-Lite fixtures!  And 
> still with fluorescent bulbs!   Two of mine are rusty and shot, the other two 
> I replaced 12 years ago, and work, but I want all LED, I want to be rid of 
> all fluorescent lighting. Maybe I need to Start searching RV.
>  
> BTW, I would like to thank Fred for pushing me into the MarineBeam  
> Steaming/Deck Light, it is a beautiful, elegant and functional fixture, and 
> soo much nicer that the Taco light it replaced.
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C 39 Erie, PA
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of S Thomas 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: S Thomas
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting
>  
>The original "Thin-Lite" fixtures are still available, but they are not 
> cheap. RVs use them, and there are several sellers on Ebay and Amazon.
>That said, most of the listers here have recommended LEDs of some sort 
> when this question was raised before.
>I am faced with the same decision and still undecided, but I bought a 
> couple of cheap LED strips to play with. LEDs should last longer, but the 
> better ones have an electronic constant current source, and long term 
> reliability is unknown. Resistive ballasting is more reliable but the 
> resistors have to be sized to the maximum charging voltage and the LEDs will 
> be dimmer when on the battery. Also, some constant current electronic LED 
> ballast devices generate RFI.
> I bought some cheap led lights from China, and they are now quite dim 
> compared to when new. They are a square array wired to a bulb bayonet but 
> with no visible current limiting device.  Even at the rated current, LEDs are 
> not as efficient as fluorescent lighting in lumens per watt.
> All in all, my perception is that LEDs are better for a directed light 
> source, and fluorescents are better for area lighting.
>  
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
> - Original Message -----
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bill Coleman
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 08:53
> Subject: Stus-List Salon Lighting
>  
> Most of the older C’s had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the 
> main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up 
> finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua 
> Signal  lights, 
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=1607497
>  
> But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.
>  
> What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C 39 Erie, PA
>  
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[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Dont forget these as an option.
<https://store.marinebeam.com/12-f8t5-led-tube-for-fluorescent-fixtures-fl-t5-66/>
I kept my existing Fines Lite fixtures in head, galley, and aft cabin plus
the integrated fixtures in the headliner and replaced all the Fluorescent
Tubes with these T5 LED tubes. Definitely brighter and excellent light
quality. (Natural White is what we went with)

LED's are definitely in the 'you get what you pay for' scheme of things,
IMO.

Kevin
30mkII
Portland

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:40 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Now that is an interesting workaround.  Maybe I will look into that,
> seeing as I already own these.\
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* Ron Ricci [mailto:rvri...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2016 10:39 AM
>
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* 'Bill Coleman'
>
> *Subject:* RE: Stus-List Salon Lighting
>
>
>
> I also used the same lights and mounted them of a 3/8” PVC base that was
> cut to fit the base of the fixture with a section routed out for the
> wires.  This was fairly easy to do.  I opted for the Red/Off/White version
> so the boat can be “rigged for red” at sunset.
>
> Regards,
>
> *Ron*
>
> Ron Ricci
>
> S/V Patriot
>
> C 37+
>
> Bristol, RI
>
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill
> Coleman via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2016 8:53 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman
> *Subject:* Stus-List Salon Lighting
>
>
>
> Most of the older C’s had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the
> main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up
> finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua
> Signal  lights,
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=1607497
>
>
>
> But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.
>
>
>
> What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Ok, I checked and you are correct. 
The LED bulbs being sold for home use are now more efficient than similar CFLs, 
but this is a fairly recent development, 2013-2014.

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=18671

It is still the wild wild west in the 12 volt domain as far as I can see, there 
being no CSA or UL standards to meet, or anyone checking product claims at all. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:04
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting


  Usually, LEDs are better in light efficiency (luminous efficacy) - CFLs run 
around 50-60 lm/W, and LEDs at 80-120 lm/W. Obviously, they are directed light. 
Some fixtures use diffusers to distribute the light more evenly.
  Additionally, depending on the application of course, the cooler light of the 
LEDs can work better for lighting the area (with fewer lumens per unit of area).
  Unfortunately, some of the really cheap LED bulbs don’t have the voltage 
regulation circuitry built in and they produce all kinds of unexpected (and 
undesirable) results. This is a real problem on a boat, where we regularly have 
voltage variations from around 11 V to 14+ V, depending on the source (battery 
vs. the alternator).
  Obviously, switching from the fluorescent to LED won’t buy you that much (at 
best halving of the power usage). Not to mention that the drop-in replacement 
“bulbs” or “tubes” are much more difficult to find for the fluorescent 
fixtures. The real benefit is in switching form incandescent to LEDs. I did 
that and I replaced 20 W incandescent with 1.5 W LED light sources. Suddenly I 
don’t care anymore if the light is on or not (I admit to leaving a cabin light 
on for a couple of days (forgot to turn the main switch off) without any ill 
effect on the battery (the solar panel managed to keep up with the light); not 
something you could do with an incandescent bulb). I left the last remaining 
fluorescent, as is; the replacement would be too complicated.
  One other thing that might count for you if you want to switch to LED – most 
of them them come in white/red combination, quite useful when sailing at night.
  Marek
  C270 Legato
  Ottawa, ON
  From: S Thomas via CnC-List 
  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: S Thomas 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

 The original "Thin-Lite" fixtures are still available, but they are not 
cheap. RVs use them, and there are several sellers on Ebay and Amazon. 
 That said, most of the listers here have recommended LEDs of some sort 
when this question was raised before. 
 I am faced with the same decision and still undecided, but I bought a 
couple of cheap LED strips to play with. LEDs should last longer, but the 
better ones have an electronic constant current source, and long term 
reliability is unknown. Resistive ballasting is more reliable but the resistors 
have to be sized to the maximum charging voltage and the LEDs will be dimmer 
when on the battery. Also, some constant current electronic LED ballast devices 
generate RFI.
  I bought some cheap led lights from China, and they are now quite dim 
compared to when new. They are a square array wired to a bulb bayonet but with 
no visible current limiting device.  Even at the rated current, LEDs are not as 
efficient as fluorescent lighting in lumens per watt. 
  All in all, my perception is that LEDs are better for a directed light 
source, and fluorescents are better for area lighting. 

  Steve Thomas
  C MKIII
  Port Stanley, ON
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 08:53
    Subject: Stus-List Salon Lighting

Most of the older C’s had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the 
main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up 
finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua 
Signal  lights, 
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=1607497

 

But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.

 

What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 




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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Now that is an interesting workaround.  Maybe I will look into that, seeing
as I already own these.\

Thanks,

 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: Ron Ricci [mailto:rvri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 'Bill Coleman'
Subject: RE: Stus-List Salon Lighting

 

I also used the same lights and mounted them of a 3/8" PVC base that was cut
to fit the base of the fixture with a section routed out for the wires.
This was fairly easy to do.  I opted for the Red/Off/White version so the
boat can be "rigged for red" at sunset.

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

 <mailto:ron.ri...@1968.usna.com> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

   

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Coleman via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 8:53 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Stus-List Salon Lighting

 

Most of the older C's had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the
main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up
finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua
Signal  lights,
<http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=16074
97>
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=160749
7

 

But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.

 

What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[jhnelson via CnC-List]

Old wiring should be fine. Incandescent lights draw way more powere than LEDs


Sent from my Samsung device

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Date: 2016-06-10  12:07  (GMT-04:00) 
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Cc: "Richard N. Bush" <bushma...@aol.com>, j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting 



 Jack, if replacing an older light fixture with a new one, such as the 
Alpenglow LED lights, (see below), can you use the existing wiring? or must new 
wiring be run to the fixture? Thanks




 









Richard




1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4






Richard N. Bush 


2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine


Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 


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To: C <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>


Cc: Jack Fitzgerald <j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com>


Sent: Fri, Jun 10, 2016 10:53 am


Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting















Bill,










Take a look at the Alpenglow LED lights. I replaced all of the old thin light 
with these and although pricy, the work very well and look great


















Best regards,


Jack Fitzgerald 



HONEY



C 39 TM


























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[Eric Frank via CnC-List]

Bill,  I replaced the old fluorescent fixture over the settee and table with a 
Marinebeam LED, single bulb replacement.  Economy 15" T5 LED Fluorescent-Style 
Fixture 
<https://store.marinebeam.com/economy-15-t5-led-fluorescent-style-fixture/>
It has current protection and a choice of wavelengths.  As you say, there is no 
space within the fixture for wire termination, made doubly difficult on the 35 
MkII because the wires for the port cabin lights continue forward past the 
light for lighting the rest of the port side.  So 2 + and 2 - wires to deal 
with.  I ended up cutting out a few inches of the liner where the old light was 
and made my connections inside that space, between the cabin roof and the 
liner.  That opening is narrow so the new light completely covers the hole, and 
then I just filled the old screw holes with the putty recommended a few months 
ago on this list.  The light is great and draws about 1/4 the power of the old 
one.  Works fine and is fairly cheap.

Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA

> From: "Bill Coleman" <colt...@verizon.net <mailto:colt...@verizon.net>>
> To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Salon Lighting
> 
> Most of the older C's had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the
> main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up
> finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua
> Signal  lights,
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542 
> <http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542>
> <http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=16074 
> <http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=16074>
> 97> =1607497
> But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.
> What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?
> Bill Coleman
> 

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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting (Ron Ricci)

[Chuck Saur via CnC-List]

I've replaced all my fluorescent T-5 bulbs with LEDs that fit in the old
bulb receivers.  Bought em online at mingsmark.com for about $20.  Really
happy with the change.  They have a section for RV and marine, so have
purchased other stuff too.

Chuck Saur
Morning Sky C
St Ignace
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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Jack, if replacing an older light fixture with a new one, such as the 
Alpenglow LED lights, (see below), can you use the existing wiring? or must new 
wiring be run to the fixture? Thanks
 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: C <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Jack Fitzgerald <j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com>
Sent: Fri, Jun 10, 2016 10:53 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting



Bill,


Take a look at the Alpenglow LED lights. I replaced all of the old thin light 
with these and although pricy, the work very well and look great





Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald 
HONEY
C 39 TM








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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Usually, LEDs are better in light efficiency (luminous efficacy) - CFLs run 
around 50-60 lm/W, and LEDs at 80-120 lm/W. Obviously, they are directed light. 
Some fixtures use diffusers to distribute the light more evenly.
Additionally, depending on the application of course, the cooler light of the 
LEDs can work better for lighting the area (with fewer lumens per unit of area).
Unfortunately, some of the really cheap LED bulbs don’t have the voltage 
regulation circuitry built in and they produce all kinds of unexpected (and 
undesirable) results. This is a real problem on a boat, where we regularly have 
voltage variations from around 11 V to 14+ V, depending on the source (battery 
vs. the alternator).
Obviously, switching from the fluorescent to LED won’t buy you that much (at 
best halving of the power usage). Not to mention that the drop-in replacement 
“bulbs” or “tubes” are much more difficult to find for the fluorescent 
fixtures. The real benefit is in switching form incandescent to LEDs. I did 
that and I replaced 20 W incandescent with 1.5 W LED light sources. Suddenly I 
don’t care anymore if the light is on or not (I admit to leaving a cabin light 
on for a couple of days (forgot to turn the main switch off) without any ill 
effect on the battery (the solar panel managed to keep up with the light); not 
something you could do with an incandescent bulb). I left the last remaining 
fluorescent, as is; the replacement would be too complicated.
One other thing that might count for you if you want to switch to LED – most of 
them them come in white/red combination, quite useful when sailing at night.
Marek
C270 Legato
Ottawa, ON
From: S Thomas via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: S Thomas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

   The original "Thin-Lite" fixtures are still available, but they are not 
cheap. RVs use them, and there are several sellers on Ebay and Amazon. 
   That said, most of the listers here have recommended LEDs of some sort when 
this question was raised before. 
   I am faced with the same decision and still undecided, but I bought a couple 
of cheap LED strips to play with. LEDs should last longer, but the better ones 
have an electronic constant current source, and long term reliability is 
unknown. Resistive ballasting is more reliable but the resistors have to be 
sized to the maximum charging voltage and the LEDs will be dimmer when on the 
battery. Also, some constant current electronic LED ballast devices generate 
RFI.
I bought some cheap led lights from China, and they are now quite dim 
compared to when new. They are a square array wired to a bulb bayonet but with 
no visible current limiting device.  Even at the rated current, LEDs are not as 
efficient as fluorescent lighting in lumens per watt. 
All in all, my perception is that LEDs are better for a directed light 
source, and fluorescents are better for area lighting. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Bill Coleman 
  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 08:53
  Subject: Stus-List Salon Lighting

  Most of the older C’s had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the 
main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up 
finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua 
Signal  lights, 
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=1607497

   

  But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.

   

  What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?

   

  Bill Coleman

  C 39 Erie, PA

   



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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Bill,

Take a look at the Alpenglow LED lights. I replaced all of the old thin
light with these and although pricy, the work very well and look great

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY
C 39 TM


On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> OMG, I can’t believe they are still selling those Thin-Lite fixtures!  And
> still with fluorescent bulbs!   Two of mine are rusty and shot, the other
> two I replaced 12 years ago, and work, but I want all LED, I want to be rid
> of all fluorescent lighting. Maybe I need to Start searching RV.
>
>
>
> BTW, I would like to thank Fred for pushing me into the MarineBeam
> Steaming/Deck Light, it is a beautiful, elegant and functional fixture, and
> soo much nicer that the Taco light it replaced.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *S
> Thomas via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* S Thomas
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting
>
>
>
>The original "Thin-Lite" fixtures are still available, but they are not
> cheap. RVs use them, and there are several sellers on Ebay and Amazon.
>
>That said, most of the listers here have recommended LEDs of some sort
> when this question was raised before.
>
>I am faced with the same decision and still undecided, but I bought a
> couple of cheap LED strips to play with. LEDs should last longer, but the
> better ones have an electronic constant current source, and long term
> reliability is unknown. Resistive ballasting is more reliable but the
> resistors have to be sized to the maximum charging voltage and the LEDs
> will be dimmer when on the battery. Also, some constant current electronic
> LED ballast devices generate RFI.
>
> I bought some cheap led lights from China, and they are now quite dim
> compared to when new. They are a square array wired to a bulb bayonet but
> with no visible current limiting device.  Even at the rated current, LEDs
> are not as efficient as fluorescent lighting in lumens per watt.
>
> All in all, my perception is that LEDs are better for a directed light
> source, and fluorescents are better for area lighting.
>
>
>
> Steve Thomas
>
> C MKIII
>
> Port Stanley, ON
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman <colt...@verizon.net>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2016 08:53
>
> *Subject:* Stus-List Salon Lighting
>
>
>
> Most of the older C’s had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the
> main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up
> finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua
> Signal  lights,
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=1607497
>
>
>
> But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.
>
>
>
> What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

OMG, I can't believe they are still selling those Thin-Lite fixtures!  And
still with fluorescent bulbs!   Two of mine are rusty and shot, the other
two I replaced 12 years ago, and work, but I want all LED, I want to be rid
of all fluorescent lighting. Maybe I need to Start searching RV.

 

BTW, I would like to thank Fred for pushing me into the MarineBeam
Steaming/Deck Light, it is a beautiful, elegant and functional fixture, and
soo much nicer that the Taco light it replaced. 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of S Thomas
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 10:22 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: S Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

 

   The original "Thin-Lite" fixtures are still available, but they are not
cheap. RVs use them, and there are several sellers on Ebay and Amazon. 

   That said, most of the listers here have recommended LEDs of some sort
when this question was raised before. 

   I am faced with the same decision and still undecided, but I bought a
couple of cheap LED strips to play with. LEDs should last longer, but the
better ones have an electronic constant current source, and long term
reliability is unknown. Resistive ballasting is more reliable but the
resistors have to be sized to the maximum charging voltage and the LEDs will
be dimmer when on the battery. Also, some constant current electronic LED
ballast devices generate RFI.

I bought some cheap led lights from China, and they are now quite dim
compared to when new. They are a square array wired to a bulb bayonet but
with no visible current limiting device.  Even at the rated current, LEDs
are not as efficient as fluorescent lighting in lumens per watt. 

All in all, my perception is that LEDs are better for a directed light
source, and fluorescents are better for area lighting. 

 

Steve Thomas

C MKIII

Port Stanley, ON

- Original Message - 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Bill Coleman <mailto:colt...@verizon.net>  

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 08:53

Subject: Stus-List Salon Lighting

 

Most of the older C's had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the
main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up
finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua
Signal  lights,
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542
<http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=16074
97> =1607497

 

But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.

 

What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

   The original "Thin-Lite" fixtures are still available, but they are not 
cheap. RVs use them, and there are several sellers on Ebay and Amazon. 
   That said, most of the listers here have recommended LEDs of some sort when 
this question was raised before. 
   I am faced with the same decision and still undecided, but I bought a couple 
of cheap LED strips to play with. LEDs should last longer, but the better ones 
have an electronic constant current source, and long term reliability is 
unknown. Resistive ballasting is more reliable but the resistors have to be 
sized to the maximum charging voltage and the LEDs will be dimmer when on the 
battery. Also, some constant current electronic LED ballast devices generate 
RFI.
I bought some cheap led lights from China, and they are now quite dim 
compared to when new. They are a square array wired to a bulb bayonet but with 
no visible current limiting device.  Even at the rated current, LEDs are not as 
efficient as fluorescent lighting in lumens per watt. 
All in all, my perception is that LEDs are better for a directed light 
source, and fluorescents are better for area lighting. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Bill Coleman 
  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 08:53
  Subject: Stus-List Salon Lighting


  Most of the older C's had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the 
main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up 
finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua 
Signal  lights, 
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=1607497

   

  But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.

   

  What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?

   

  Bill Coleman

  C 39 Erie, PA

   



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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[mike amirault via CnC-List]

I converted all my square fixtures to LED.  I removed the socket and hard wired 
circular LED wafers to the switch. Cost about $5 each from Superbright LEDS.

Mike Amirault
C Lovely Cruise
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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I bought a roll of LEDs on a self adhesive strip.from SuperBrightLEDs.com.
Wherever there was a fluorescent bulb, I replaced it with an equivalent
length of LEDs.  They draw almost no current and fit perfectly.  Looks
great!  Very happy with the result.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Most of the older C’s had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the
> main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up
> finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua
> Signal  lights,
> http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542=1607497
>
>
>
> But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.
>
>
>
> What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
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Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Most of the older C's had double rectangular  fluorescent lights in the
main cabin, which are nowadays woefully inadequate. I eventually gave up
finding a replacement that would cover all the holes and I purchased 4 Aqua
Signal  lights,
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|65136|2312540|2312542
 =1607497

 

But unfortunately there is no space behind the light for wire termination.

 

What have others used for replacement  overhead lighting in the cabin?

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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