Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

2017-11-18 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
I am in for the both!
Tell me how much to ship to 21666

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


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BTW, my rig failure was a clean bending failure right at the cross bolt for the 
spreaders and lower shroud tang.  The only reason that the upper part of the 
mast stayed above the deck was the wire main and jib halyards.  This is an area 
with a pretty high stress riser.  I cant imagine how much more difficult it 
would have been to deal with if the mast had sunk.  I'm sure we would have had 
to cut the shrouds and sails and let them sink.  Anyone need a 2010 North Main 
Sail or an older UK 150 Jib?  You cover shipping and they are yours.

Neil Schiller
Old: 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 (C 35, Mark I)
New: 1983 C 35, Mark III, Hull #028
"Grace"
White Lake, Michigan
On 11/18/2017 8:12 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List wrote:
I have to agree with Neil.  The rigging is responsible for your primary mode of 
propulsion, and the forces are signficant.  At least down here in Florida 
(Tampa area), riggers are pretty inexpensive, and the investment is well worth 
it for peace of mind.

Just my $.02 worth,

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net>


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question >From a Former C

From somebody who has lost a rig.  Of all of the things we spend our money on, 
the rig is one where spending the money on a rigger makes sense.  It is no fun 
to be bobbing a mile off shore trying to collect rigging and sails in three 
foot waves, afraid to engage the motor for fear of tangling in lines or sails.  
Find a rigger and have him give you advice.

Neil Schiller
Old:  1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 (dismasted)
New: 1983 C 35, Mark III, #028
"Grace"
White Lake, Michigan
On 11/17/2017 8:54 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:
Thank you for the replies.
After some research it looks like I should use double jaw toggles to connect 
the eyes of the new shrouds to the eyes in the existing shroud plates.

 http://hayn.com/marine/rigging/tj.html#djt

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Yeah I kinda misinterpreted the description.  The swadged end fittings should 
be properly attached to a tang which could then be through bolted to the mast.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017, 8:10 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
You can’t run a bolt through the eye on the end of a shroud. The tangs line up 
the direction of pull, a bolt would be getting pulled on at an angle trying to 
yank the head/nut off from one side.
Joe
Coquina

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the spreader bracket, is it 
possible that the plate is part of the bracket? .   Further, a plain bolt 
through the mast, when tightened, could cause the walls of the mast to bend or 
collapse.  There should be a compression tube inside the mast through which the 
bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the compression tube and bolt are 
directly in line with the spreaders, and the tang plate for the lowers is part 
of the spreader bracket.  Attaching the lowers to just a plain bolt through the 
mast doesn't seem advisable.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY
On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:
Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my new 
boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group site:
---
Greetings,
My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of shrouds.
The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.
The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates 
(port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.
I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the bolt 
directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)
Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.
Cheers,

Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

2017-11-18 Thread schiller via CnC-List 
BTW, my rig failure was a clean bending failure right at the cross bolt 
for the spreaders and lower shroud tang. The only reason that the upper 
part of the mast stayed above the deck was the wire main and jib 
halyards.  This is an area with a pretty high stress riser.  I cant 
imagine how much more difficult it would have been to deal with if the 
mast had sunk.  I'm sure we would have had to cut the shrouds and sails 
and let them sink. Anyone need a 2010 North Main Sail or an older UK 150 
Jib?  You cover shipping and they are yours.


Neil Schiller
Old: 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 (C 35, Mark I)
New: 1983 C 35, Mark III, Hull #028
"Grace"
White Lake, Michigan

On 11/18/2017 8:12 AM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List wrote:
I have to agree with Neil.  The rigging is responsible for your 
primary mode of propulsion, and the forces are signficant.  At least 
down here in Florida (Tampa area), riggers are pretty inexpensive, and 
the investment is well worth it for peace of mind.


Just my $.02 worth,
Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net



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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question >From a Former C

From somebody who has lost a rig.  Of all of the things we spend our 
money on, the rig is one where spending the money on a rigger makes 
sense.  It is no fun to be bobbing a mile off shore trying to collect 
rigging and sails in three foot waves, afraid to engage the motor for 
fear of tangling in lines or sails.  Find a rigger and have him give 
you advice.


Neil Schiller
Old:  1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 (dismasted)
New: 1983 C 35, Mark III, #028
"Grace"
White Lake, Michigan

On 11/17/2017 8:54 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:

Thank you for the replies.
After some research it looks like I should use double jaw toggles to 
connect the eyes of the new shrouds to the eyes in the existing 
shroud plates.


http://hayn.com/marine/rigging/tj.html#djt

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Yeah I kinda misinterpreted the description. The swadged end
fittings should be properly attached to a tang which could then
be through bolted to the mast.


On Fri, Nov 17, 2017, 8:10 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

You can’t run a bolt through the eye on the end of a shroud.
The tangs line up the direction of pull, a bolt would be
getting pulled on at an angle trying to yank the head/nut off
from one side.
Joe
Coquina
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<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Neil
Gallagher via CnC-List
*Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2017 2:23 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
    *Cc:* Neil Gallagher
    *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a
Former C
It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the
spreader bracket, is it possible that the plate is part of
the bracket? .   Further, a plain bolt through the mast, when
tightened, could cause the walls of the mast to bend or
collapse.  There should be a compression tube inside the mast
through which the bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the
compression tube and bolt are directly in line with the
spreaders, and the tang plate for the lowers is part of the
spreader bracket. Attaching the lowers to just a plain bolt
through the mast doesn't seem advisable.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:

Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the
standing rigging on my new boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the
Cal user group site:
---
Greetings,
My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled,
brand new set of shrouds.
The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.
The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to
rectangular plates (port and stbd) that are bolted
together through the mast.
I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the
plates and run the bolt directly through the four eyes
(two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)

Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

2017-11-18 Thread Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
I have to agree with Neil.  The rigging is responsible for your primary mode of 
propulsion, and the forces are signficant.  At least down here in Florida 
(Tampa area), riggers are pretty inexpensive, and the investment is well worth 
it for peace of mind.
Just my $.02 worth, 
 Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


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Cc: schiller <schil...@bloomingdalecom.net>
 Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:07 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C
   
 From somebody who has lost a rig.  Of all of the things we spend our money on, 
the rig is one where spending the money on a rigger makes sense.  It is no fun 
to be bobbing a mile off shore trying to collect rigging and sails in three 
foot waves, afraid to engage the motor for fear of tangling in lines or  sails. 
 Find a rigger and have him give you advice.
 
 Neil Schiller
 Old:  1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 (dismasted)
 New: 1983 C 35, Mark III, #028
 "Grace"
 White Lake, Michigan
 
 On 11/17/2017 8:54 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:
  
 Thank you for the replies. After some research it looks like I should use 
double jaw toggles to connect the eyes of the new shrouds to the eyes in the 
existing shroud plates.  
   http://hayn.com/marine/rigging/tj.html#djt  
 On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
 
Yeah I kinda misinterpreted the description.  The swadged end fittings should 
be properly attached to a tang which could then be through bolted to the mast.  
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 17, 2017, 8:10 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
  
   You can’t run a bolt through the eye on the end of a shroud. The tangs line 
up the direction of pull, a bolt would be getting pulled on at an angle trying 
to yank the head/nut off from one side. Joe Coquina     From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc- list.com] On Behalf Of Neil Gallagher via CnC-List
 Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 2:23 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Neil Gallagher
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C     
It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the spreader bracket, is it 
possible that the plate is part of the bracket? .   Further, a plain bolt 
through the mast, when tightened, could cause the walls of the mast to bend or  
collapse.  There should be a compression tube inside the mast through which the 
bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the compression tube and bolt are 
directly in line with the spreaders, and the tang plate for the lowers is part 
of the spreader bracket.  Attaching the lowers to just a plain bolt through the 
mast doesn't seem advisable. 
 
 Neil Gallagher
 Weatherly, 35-1
 Glen Cove, NY
 
   On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:  
  Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.    In its place I now have a 1979 
Cal-31.   I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging 
on my new boat.   Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal 
user group site:   ---Greetings,  My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, 
uninstalled, brand new set of shrouds.  The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.  
The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates 
(port  and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.  I am wondering if 
the intent was to do away with the plates and run the bolt directly through the 
four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)  Any thoughts or ideas are 
most welcomed.  Cheers,  --Bob M          
 
 
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2017-11-17 Thread schiller via CnC-List 
From somebody who has lost a rig.  Of all of the things we spend our 
money on, the rig is one where spending the money on a rigger makes 
sense.  It is no fun to be bobbing a mile off shore trying to collect 
rigging and sails in three foot waves, afraid to engage the motor for 
fear of tangling in lines or sails.  Find a rigger and have him give you 
advice.


Neil Schiller
Old:  1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7 (dismasted)
New: 1983 C 35, Mark III, #028
"Grace"
White Lake, Michigan

On 11/17/2017 8:54 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:

Thank you for the replies.
After some research it looks like I should use double jaw toggles to 
connect the eyes of the new shrouds to the eyes in the existing shroud 
plates.


http://hayn.com/marine/rigging/tj.html#djt

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Yeah I kinda misinterpreted the description.  The swadged end
fittings should be properly attached to a tang which could then be
through bolted to the mast.


On Fri, Nov 17, 2017, 8:10 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

You can’t run a bolt through the eye on the end of a shroud.
The tangs line up the direction of pull, a bolt would be
getting pulled on at an angle trying to yank the head/nut off
from one side.

Joe

Coquina

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Neil
Gallagher via CnC-List
*Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2017 2:23 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
    *Cc:* Neil Gallagher
    *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a
Former C

It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the spreader
bracket, is it possible that the plate is part of the bracket?
.   Further, a plain bolt through the mast, when tightened,
could cause the walls of the mast to bend or collapse.  There
should be a compression tube inside the mast through which the
bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the compression tube and
bolt are directly in line with the spreaders, and the tang
plate for the lowers is part of the spreader bracket. 
Attaching the lowers to just a plain bolt through the mast
doesn't seem advisable.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:

Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.

In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.

I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the
standing rigging on my new boat.

Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the
Cal user group site:

---

Greetings,

My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand
new set of shrouds.

The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.

The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to
rectangular plates (port and stbd) that are bolted
together through the mast.

I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the
plates and run the bolt directly through the four eyes
(two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)

Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.

Cheers,

--Bob M




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2017-11-17 Thread bobmor99 . via CnC-List 
Thank you for the replies.
After some research it looks like I should use double jaw toggles to
connect the eyes of the new shrouds to the eyes in the existing shroud
plates.

 http://hayn.com/marine/rigging/tj.html#djt

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yeah I kinda misinterpreted the description.  The swadged end fittings
> should be properly attached to a tang which could then be through bolted to
> the mast.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017, 8:10 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> You can’t run a bolt through the eye on the end of a shroud. The tangs
>> line up the direction of pull, a bolt would be getting pulled on at an
>> angle trying to yank the head/nut off from one side.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Neil
>> Gallagher via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2017 2:23 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Neil Gallagher
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C
>>
>>
>>
>> It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the spreader bracket,
>> is it possible that the plate is part of the bracket? .   Further, a plain
>> bolt through the mast, when tightened, could cause the walls of the mast to
>> bend or collapse.  There should be a compression tube inside the mast
>> through which the bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the compression
>> tube and bolt are directly in line with the spreaders, and the tang plate
>> for the lowers is part of the spreader bracket.  Attaching the lowers to
>> just a plain bolt through the mast doesn't seem advisable.
>>
>> Neil Gallagher
>> Weatherly, 35-1
>> Glen Cove, NY
>>
>> On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
>>
>> In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
>>
>> I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my
>> new boat.
>>
>> Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group
>> site:
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of
>> shrouds.
>>
>> The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.
>>
>> The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular
>> plates (port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.
>>
>> I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the
>> bolt directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)
>>
>> Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --Bob M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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>>
>>
>>
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2017-11-17 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Yeah I kinda misinterpreted the description.  The swadged end fittings
should be properly attached to a tang which could then be through bolted to
the mast.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017, 8:10 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You can’t run a bolt through the eye on the end of a shroud. The tangs
> line up the direction of pull, a bolt would be getting pulled on at an
> angle trying to yank the head/nut off from one side.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Gallagher via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2017 2:23 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Gallagher
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C
>
>
>
> It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the spreader bracket, is
> it possible that the plate is part of the bracket? .   Further, a plain
> bolt through the mast, when tightened, could cause the walls of the mast to
> bend or collapse.  There should be a compression tube inside the mast
> through which the bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the compression
> tube and bolt are directly in line with the spreaders, and the tang plate
> for the lowers is part of the spreader bracket.  Attaching the lowers to
> just a plain bolt through the mast doesn't seem advisable.
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
> On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
>
> In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
>
> I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my
> new boat.
>
> Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group
> site:
>
> ---
>
> Greetings,
>
> My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of
> shrouds.
>
> The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.
>
> The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates
> (port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.
>
> I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the
> bolt directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)
>
> Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Bob M
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

2017-11-17 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Or it would flatten the eye to the mast and the shroud would be coming out of 
the eye fitting at an angle. Either way will fail.

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You can't run a bolt through the eye on the end of a shroud. The tangs line up 
the direction of pull, a bolt would be getting pulled on at an angle trying to 
yank the head/nut off from one side.
Joe
Coquina

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It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the spreader bracket, is it 
possible that the plate is part of the bracket? .   Further, a plain bolt 
through the mast, when tightened, could cause the walls of the mast to bend or 
collapse.  There should be a compression tube inside the mast through which the 
bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the compression tube and bolt are 
directly in line with the spreaders, and the tang plate for the lowers is part 
of the spreader bracket.  Attaching the lowers to just a plain bolt through the 
mast doesn't seem advisable.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY
On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:
Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my new 
boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group site:
---

Greetings,

My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of shrouds.

The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.

The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates 
(port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.

I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the bolt 
directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)

Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.

Cheers,

--Bob M






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Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

2017-11-17 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
You can't run a bolt through the eye on the end of a shroud. The tangs line up 
the direction of pull, a bolt would be getting pulled on at an angle trying to 
yank the head/nut off from one side.
Joe
Coquina

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the spreader bracket, is it 
possible that the plate is part of the bracket? .   Further, a plain bolt 
through the mast, when tightened, could cause the walls of the mast to bend or 
collapse.  There should be a compression tube inside the mast through which the 
bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the compression tube and bolt are 
directly in line with the spreaders, and the tang plate for the lowers is part 
of the spreader bracket.  Attaching the lowers to just a plain bolt through the 
mast doesn't seem advisable.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:
Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my new 
boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group site:
---

Greetings,

My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of shrouds.

The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.

The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates 
(port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.

I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the bolt 
directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)

Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.

Cheers,

--Bob M







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Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

2017-11-16 Thread Neil Gallagher via CnC-List 
It's common to have the lowers attach directly to the spreader bracket, 
is it possible that the plate is part of the bracket? . Further, a plain 
bolt through the mast, when tightened, could cause the walls of the mast 
to bend or collapse.  There should be a compression tube inside the mast 
through which the bolt goes to prevent that. On my mast the compression 
tube and bolt are directly in line with the spreaders, and the tang 
plate for the lowers is part of the spreader bracket.  Attaching the 
lowers to just a plain bolt through the mast doesn't seem advisable.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 11/16/2017 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List wrote:

Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on 
my new boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group 
site:

---

Greetings,

My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of 
shrouds.


The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.

The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular 
plates (port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.


I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run 
the bolt directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of 
course).  :-)


Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.

Cheers,

--Bob M




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Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

2017-11-16 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
I can't exactly see how it wouldn't be right.  Its relatively easy to find
the sheer strength of what ever sized bolt it is but I would expect (since
it is supporting 2 shrouds on each side) that the bolt is at least one size
larger than the pins used on the deck fittings.  My MacGregor 26C used a
single 3/8ths bolt to through bolt the tangs on the lower shrouds and the
brackets which hold the spreaders.  As I recall I was tensioning the
shrouds to 1000 lbs.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Nov 16, 2017 9:25 PM, "bobmor99 . via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my
new boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group site:
---

Greetings,

My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of
shrouds.

The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.

The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates
(port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.

I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the
bolt directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)

Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.

Cheers,

--Bob M




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Re: Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

2017-11-16 Thread John Pennie via CnC-List 
Can’t imagine that to be the case.  The bolt would be several bolts in the 
first good breeze.  it would shear right off.  I suspect the po planned to 
install a different mast fitting but that is only my guess.

John


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> On Nov 16, 2017, at 9:24 PM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1. 
> In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
> I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my new 
> boat.
> Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group site:
> ---
> Greetings,
> My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of shrouds.
> The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.
> The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates 
> (port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.
> I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the bolt 
> directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)
> Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.
> Cheers,
> --Bob M
> 
>  
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Stus-List Standing Rigging Question From a Former C

2017-11-16 Thread bobmor99 . via CnC-List 
Hurricane Irma claimed Ox, my beloved 33-1.
In its place I now have a 1979 Cal-31.
I am hoping for some sympathy-advice regarding the standing rigging on my
new boat.
Below is the as yet unanswered question I posted on the Cal user group site:
---

Greetings,

My new-to-me 31 came with an oversized, uninstalled, brand new set of
shrouds.

The mast ends have beefy eye fittings.

The existing lowers terminate with jaws that connect to rectangular plates
(port and stbd) that are bolted together through the mast.

I am wondering if the intent was to do away with the plates and run the
bolt directly through the four eyes (two eyes on each side, of course).  :-)

Any thoughts or ideas are most welcomed.

Cheers,

--Bob M
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