Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake / clew straps
The last two mainsails I have had made came with straps - about 18-24 inches long, made with Velcro backed cloth. And, the J-24 and J-80 sails I have used. Gary 30-1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 5:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard ; ziedzi...@hotmail.com Subject: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake / clew straps I have a loose footed main. I was told NEVER to attach the sail ties to the boom when reefing.. If you bother with them at all just go around the bottom of the sail and back / cinch it to keep from flopping around.. Personally I usually don't bother and just use either the hook on the gooseneck for the tack side or the Cunningham line to give it a remote adjustment for quick release when racing and the outhaul / reefing line at the clew.. Clew straps: Where have you seen those for larger boats? I looked into that a while back and all I found were for Lasers and Optis.. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake / clew straps
Jean-Francois, I made it myself. Bought some gorilla or similar velcro strap at Home Depot and cut it to length. I make three loops around the boom. For the unreefed main I have a slug at the clew. Both work. Btw. on the first reef, I don't even use those bunt lines. I find that they don't make much difference. Marek 1994 C270 "Legato" Ottawa, ON From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 17:36 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard ; ziedzi...@hotmail.com Subject: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake / clew straps Clew straps: Where have you seen those for larger boats? I looked into that a while back and all I found were for Lasers and Optis.. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake / clew straps
Touche' had a clew strap for the main for a while. I decided I liked an outhaul car better. I've seen them on several big boats. Dennis C. On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I have a loose footed main. I was told NEVER to attach the sail ties to > the boom when reefing.. If you bother with them at all just go around the > bottom of the sail and back / cinch it to keep from flopping around.. > > Personally I usually don't bother and just use either the hook on the > gooseneck for the tack side or the Cunningham line to give it a remote > adjustment for quick release when racing and the outhaul / reefing line at > the clew.. > > Clew straps: Where have you seen those for larger boats? I looked into > that a while back and all I found were for Lasers and Optis.. > > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, GA > > > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake
OK, confession time: I was out on my second solo sail on my new-to-me C&C 26 and there were whitecaps on the lake. I knew almost nothing about sailing and I was there to learn. Our marina is in a drowned ravine with steep cliffs so there's little wind until you clear the mouth. So, I'm putt-putting along with my smoky, one-cylinder Westerbeke, headed to the mouth of the ravine with full sails up and a guy yells from shore: "Hey! You better reef that main before you go out there!" "Reef That Main", I thought, "How quaint. How very nautical. I MUST look that up when I get home." I remember waving at him and smiling. Mind you, I wasn't a kid. I was 55 and just learning something new. So, I come out of the ravine on a broad reach and BAM! Instant sideways. Things are crashing below, the water is deep over the rail and pouring into the cockpit. I'm hanging on for dear life. In addition, there are cliffs to the leeward not far from the mouth of the ravine. Somehow, I headed it into the wind and ran forward to yank down the jib. It immediately blew into the water. Once done with the jib, the boat was swinging away again so I headed back and yanked down the main. It must have looked bad as I could see the boat of the guy who yelled at me getting underway in the ravine. Fortunately, I regained control of the boat before he reached the mouth. By running back and forth between the tiller and the main, I was able to get that sail reefed without knowing the name for it. With relief, I saw my would-be rescuer turn around and return to their slip. Nowadays, I'll reef on a dare. Just for the practice. Steve Staten C' Est La Vie, C&C 26' Langley, Oklahoma Reef? What's a reef? Rick Bushie Anchovy, 1971 30-1, hull #1 Tolchester, Md. Sent from my iPhone ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake / clew straps
Francois, I race on a Santa Cruz 50 that uses a velcro clew strap on a loose footed main. I don't know where the owner got the strap but it's fairly heavy webbing with velcro on both sides that loops through the clew and around the boom two or three times. (That's while sailing unreefed - I've only been on board once when we reefed that boat, and I think we still used the strap but I don't remember.) In terms of the mid-sail points, since my C&C 35 isn't loose footed, tying up the sail without the boom isn't an option. When double reefed, there's enough sail on the boom that I'd rather not have it flapping free. In those conditions I think I'll continue to use a sail tie for the clew and get something relatively thin for the mid-sail points that would break before the sail tears if something goes wrong and it loads up. Sam 35-3 SF On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I have a loose footed main. I was told NEVER to attach the sail ties to > the boom when reefing.. If you bother with them at all just go around the > bottom of the sail and back / cinch it to keep from flopping around.. > > Personally I usually don't bother and just use either the hook on the > gooseneck for the tack side or the Cunningham line to give it a remote > adjustment for quick release when racing and the outhaul / reefing line at > the clew.. > > Clew straps: Where have you seen those for larger boats? I looked into > that a while back and all I found were for Lasers and Optis.. > > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, GA > > > > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake
Reef? What's a reef? Rick Bushie Anchovy, 1971 30-1, hull #1 Tolchester, Md. Sent from my iPhone ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake / clew straps
I have a loose footed main. I was told NEVER to attach the sail ties to the boom when reefing.. If you bother with them at all just go around the bottom of the sail and back / cinch it to keep from flopping around.. Personally I usually don't bother and just use either the hook on the gooseneck for the tack side or the Cunningham line to give it a remote adjustment for quick release when racing and the outhaul / reefing line at the clew.. Clew straps: Where have you seen those for larger boats? I looked into that a while back and all I found were for Lasers and Optis.. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake
Those small cringles in the middle of the sail are for “bunt lines”, to take up the “bunt” or bag in the sail once it is reefed. As you pointed out, they are not reinforced so they are not reef points and should not be used to flatten the sail; they just keep the excess material from flapping around. You are very lucky you did not rip your main. Here is a reference: http://www.cruisingworld.com/seamanship-101-reefing-main Mike Amirault C&C33ii Lovely Cruise SMSC N.S. ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake
That would make sense. Many loose fitted mains use a Velcro strop to hold the clew down - even when not reefed. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Jun 14, 2016, at 15:06, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List > wrote: > > I was told that you should use a clew strop (in addition to the reefing > line). If the reefing line goes your sail would not rip. > > If you don’t believe me, you can look at some of the supermaxis; most of them > use it. > > And if you want to make it easy, use some Velcro strap. > > Marek > > From: Indigo via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 14:30 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Indigo > Subject: Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake > > Fwiw - and I am sure others may have different opinions - I never use any > lines through the reef points. Just the tack (hook) and clew (reefing lines) > are used to hold the foot of the sail. That way never a chance to rip the > sail or accidentally restrain the main sheet. > > Even with a second reef (very rare) I don't find my sail has too much > unrestrained cloth hanging by the boom - especially as I will always put the > first reef in before the second. > > -- > Jonathan > Indigo C&C 35III > SOUTHPORT CT > > > On Jun 14, 2016, at 13:12, Sam Wheeler via CnC-List > > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Just thought I'd share a dumb mistake I made in case anyone out there > > doesn't reef very often and might learn from it when the time comes. > > > > I went out on Sunday with a few friends in heavy air, with the main fully > > reefed to the second reef points. I don't keep lines in my reef points so > > I use the sail ties to strap them down when I reef. This time, I wasn't > > thinking and tied the straps around the whole boom - including the main > > sheet. > > > > We were sailing upwind with no need to let out the sheet so I didn't notice > > the problem until we tried to turn down and head home, and it wouldn't go > > out. And to make matters slightly worse, we lost a canvas winch cover > > overboard in the process and weren't able (didn't try) to go back for it > > with the sheet jammed. It was easy enough to retie the straps correctly > > but it took a little while and we were lucky to have plenty of open water > > to do it and no really urgent need to bear down. Lesson learned: make sure > > to tie the reef point lines inside the sheet. > > > > (The other mistake that I'm now realizing that I made was cinching the > > straps tight. Better to tie them loose just to keep everything together, > > since those mid-sail reef points aren't reinforced to take load.) > > > > Sam > > 35-3 > > SF > > ___ > > > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > > like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All > > Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake
I was told that you should use a clew strop (in addition to the reefing line). If the reefing line goes your sail would not rip. If you don’t believe me, you can look at some of the supermaxis; most of them use it. And if you want to make it easy, use some Velcro strap. Marek From: Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 14:30 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Indigo Subject: Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake Fwiw - and I am sure others may have different opinions - I never use any lines through the reef points. Just the tack (hook) and clew (reefing lines) are used to hold the foot of the sail. That way never a chance to rip the sail or accidentally restrain the main sheet. Even with a second reef (very rare) I don't find my sail has too much unrestrained cloth hanging by the boom - especially as I will always put the first reef in before the second. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Jun 14, 2016, at 13:12, Sam Wheeler via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just thought I'd share a dumb mistake I made in case anyone out there doesn't > reef very often and might learn from it when the time comes. > > I went out on Sunday with a few friends in heavy air, with the main fully > reefed to the second reef points. I don't keep lines in my reef points so I > use the sail ties to strap them down when I reef. This time, I wasn't > thinking and tied the straps around the whole boom - including the main sheet. > > We were sailing upwind with no need to let out the sheet so I didn't notice > the problem until we tried to turn down and head home, and it wouldn't go > out. And to make matters slightly worse, we lost a canvas winch cover > overboard in the process and weren't able (didn't try) to go back for it with > the sheet jammed. It was easy enough to retie the straps correctly but it > took a little while and we were lucky to have plenty of open water to do it > and no really urgent need to bear down. Lesson learned: make sure to tie the > reef point lines inside the sheet. > > (The other mistake that I'm now realizing that I made was cinching the straps > tight. Better to tie them loose just to keep everything together, since > those mid-sail reef points aren't reinforced to take load.) > > Sam > 35-3 > SF > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake
Fwiw - and I am sure others may have different opinions - I never use any lines through the reef points. Just the tack (hook) and clew (reefing lines) are used to hold the foot of the sail. That way never a chance to rip the sail or accidentally restrain the main sheet. Even with a second reef (very rare) I don't find my sail has too much unrestrained cloth hanging by the boom - especially as I will always put the first reef in before the second. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Jun 14, 2016, at 13:12, Sam Wheeler via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just thought I'd share a dumb mistake I made in case anyone out there doesn't > reef very often and might learn from it when the time comes. > > I went out on Sunday with a few friends in heavy air, with the main fully > reefed to the second reef points. I don't keep lines in my reef points so I > use the sail ties to strap them down when I reef. This time, I wasn't > thinking and tied the straps around the whole boom - including the main sheet. > > We were sailing upwind with no need to let out the sheet so I didn't notice > the problem until we tried to turn down and head home, and it wouldn't go > out. And to make matters slightly worse, we lost a canvas winch cover > overboard in the process and weren't able (didn't try) to go back for it with > the sheet jammed. It was easy enough to retie the straps correctly but it > took a little while and we were lucky to have plenty of open water to do it > and no really urgent need to bear down. Lesson learned: make sure to tie the > reef point lines inside the sheet. > > (The other mistake that I'm now realizing that I made was cinching the straps > tight. Better to tie them loose just to keep everything together, since > those mid-sail reef points aren't reinforced to take load.) > > Sam > 35-3 > SF > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like > what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions > are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Stupid Reefing Mistake
Hi all, Just thought I'd share a dumb mistake I made in case anyone out there doesn't reef very often and might learn from it when the time comes. I went out on Sunday with a few friends in heavy air, with the main fully reefed to the second reef points. I don't keep lines in my reef points so I use the sail ties to strap them down when I reef. This time, I wasn't thinking and tied the straps around the whole boom - including the main sheet. We were sailing upwind with no need to let out the sheet so I didn't notice the problem until we tried to turn down and head home, and it wouldn't go out. And to make matters slightly worse, we lost a canvas winch cover overboard in the process and weren't able (didn't try) to go back for it with the sheet jammed. It was easy enough to retie the straps correctly but it took a little while and we were lucky to have plenty of open water to do it and no really urgent need to bear down. Lesson learned: make sure to tie the reef point lines inside the sheet. (The other mistake that I'm now realizing that I made was cinching the straps tight. Better to tie them loose just to keep everything together, since those mid-sail reef points aren't reinforced to take load.) Sam 35-3 SF ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
