Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-28 Thread Rodney Randow via CnC-List
I have used Johnson folder cleats as spring line cleats on my 33-1 for 
years. However, I was not being satisfied with the fit without some 
modification. To fill in the space under the outward curl of the toe 
rail I cut a piece of 1 x 1/8 inch aluminum bar (home depot) with a 
notch for the bolt. To keep the cleat from rocking fore and aft, I cut 
another piece slightly less than the ID of the clamp that fits on top of 
the toe rail between the rubber and the metal top. On a line without an 
eye loop I put at least two wraps around the base of the cleat before 
tying the cleat hitch.


-- Rod   C 33-1



On 06/28/2018 10:42 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote:

Dennis,
     I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my 
price range.

Gary

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-28 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List
Dennis,
 Yes, I just saw that.  I can't make mine for that price.  The Schaefer
Cleat costs more than that.  If it's for real, I would have bought that
instead of making mine.
Gary

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> Gary,
>
> Did you see Tom's post?  He found it for $44 US
>
> Dennis
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Dennis,
>>  I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
>> range.
>> Gary
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some other solutions to the midship cleat issue:
>>>
>>> http://www.stormforcemarine.com/nomen.html
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Whitecap-4-1-Folding-Cleat-Stainless/
>>> dp/B00SG41IOE
>>>
>>> https://www.whitworths.com.au/stainless-steel-x-folding-cleat-6
>>>
>>> https://www.force4.co.uk/ys-toe-rail-spring-cleat.html
>>>
>>> https://www.marinechandlery.com/allen-toerail-cleat-spring-c
>>> leat-ys9185-anodised-aluminium
>>>
>>> FYI, Touche' has an inboard jib track with a sliding padeye.  I tie my
>>> spring lines to the padeye.  Not optimum but usable.
>>>
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-28 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Gary,

Did you see Tom's post?  He found it for $44 US

Dennis

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> Dennis,
>  I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
> range.
> Gary
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Some other solutions to the midship cleat issue:
>>
>> http://www.stormforcemarine.com/nomen.html
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Whitecap-4-1-Folding-Cleat-Stainless/dp/B00SG41IOE
>>
>> https://www.whitworths.com.au/stainless-steel-x-folding-cleat-6
>>
>> https://www.force4.co.uk/ys-toe-rail-spring-cleat.html
>>
>> https://www.marinechandlery.com/allen-toerail-cleat-spring-
>> cleat-ys9185-anodised-aluminium
>>
>> FYI, Touche' has an inboard jib track with a sliding padeye.  I tie my
>> spring lines to the padeye.  Not optimum but usable.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-28 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List
Dennis,
 I like the Force 4 solution, but at $137.55 US, it's out of my price
range.
Gary

~~~_/)~~


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> Some other solutions to the midship cleat issue:
>
> http://www.stormforcemarine.com/nomen.html
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Whitecap-4-1-Folding-Cleat-Stainless/dp/B00SG41IOE
>
> https://www.whitworths.com.au/stainless-steel-x-folding-cleat-6
>
> https://www.force4.co.uk/ys-toe-rail-spring-cleat.html
>
> https://www.marinechandlery.com/allen-toerail-cleat-
> spring-cleat-ys9185-anodised-aluminium
>
> FYI, Touche' has an inboard jib track with a sliding padeye.  I tie my
> spring lines to the padeye.  Not optimum but usable.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-28 Thread Michael Brannon via CnC-List
Great idea,   I just installed a Johnson cleat.   I had to spread the clamp to 
get it on and like you I really don’t like it.   I like what you did and will 
copy your design.  

Sail Safe, 

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA



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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-27 Thread Chuck S via CnC-List
Hi John,
Please send me a picture of your boat in the slip and I might have some ideas 
on how to rig springs.


> On June 27, 2018 at 5:13 PM John Conklin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> simply because of my docking situation i have only 1 half finger pier and 
> 3 pilings one side and 4 other with 1/2 pier. so no place to put spring lines 
> that function tohold   boat from goong fore and aft. And no place  no room 
> for 2 lines on bow or stern cleats even if I could go  that route 
> This rookie is still working out details as to what works best 
> 
> JohnC
> s/v halcyon
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List < 
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> > > 
> > I’ve actually been following this discussion, though I don’t 
> > foresee the need for a mid-ship cleat on Imzadi.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Imzadi is one of the mid-70s C that came with a winch farm 
> > around the mast. I’ve led lines aft and eliminated the winches, but kept 
> > the cleats on the cabin top. The spring lines in my home slip are attached 
> > high on pilings so they can be routed over the lifelines and to the cabin 
> > top mid-ship cleats. Since I leave a set of lines permanently attached at 
> > the home slip, and they are preset for length with the eye toward the boat, 
> > this makes entering the slip and tying up pretty easy.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On the bigger boats I’ve worked on (up to about 85 feet or so) and 
> > observed, the normal procedure is to run the springs from the bow and stern 
> > and attach them to the dock in the middle. That is the practice I almost 
> > always use when on a dock other than my home slip. And that is the way my 
> > 25 is secured in her slip.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > On the 72 foot schooner I used to captain, we had prerigged bow and 
> > bow spring through the forward hawse hole, and prerigged stern and aft 
> > spring lines through the aft hole. We did have a short-ish (25 ft. or so) 
> > breast line through a mid-ship hawse, but that line was always the first 
> > line to the dock so I could use the engine fore and aft to snug the boat up 
> > to the dock before setting dock lines, and it was removed and coiled after 
> > the other lines were secure.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I guess I’m curious why so many other C have added mid-ship 
> > cleats?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Rick Brass
> > 
> > Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
> > 
> > la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
> > 
> > Washington, NC
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-27 Thread John Conklin via CnC-List
simply because of my docking situation i have only 1 half finger pier and 3 
pilings one side and 4 other with 1/2 pier. so no place to put spring lines 
that function tohold   boat from goong fore and aft. And no place  no room for 
2 lines on bow or stern cleats even if I could go  that route
This rookie is still working out details as to what works best

JohnC
s/v halcyon

On Jun 27, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I’ve actually been following this discussion, though I don’t foresee the need 
for a mid-ship cleat on Imzadi.

Imzadi is one of the mid-70s C that came with a winch farm around the mast. 
I’ve led lines aft and eliminated the winches, but kept the cleats on the cabin 
top. The spring lines in my home slip are attached high on pilings so they can 
be routed over the lifelines and to the cabin top mid-ship cleats. Since I 
leave a set of lines permanently attached at the home slip, and they are preset 
for length with the eye toward the boat, this makes entering the slip and tying 
up pretty easy.

On the bigger boats I’ve worked on (up to about 85 feet or so) and observed, 
the normal procedure is to run the springs from the bow and stern and attach 
them to the dock in the middle. That is the practice I almost always use when 
on a dock other than my home slip. And that is the way my 25 is secured in her 
slip.

On the 72 foot schooner I used to captain, we had prerigged bow and bow spring 
through the forward hawse hole, and prerigged stern and aft spring lines 
through the aft hole. We did have a short-ish (25 ft. or so) breast line 
through a mid-ship hawse, but that line was always the first line to the dock 
so I could use the engine fore and aft to snug the boat up to the dock before 
setting dock lines, and it was removed and coiled after the other lines were 
secure.

I guess I’m curious why so many other C have added mid-ship cleats?


Rick Brass
Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
Washington, NC



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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-27 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Some other solutions to the midship cleat issue:

http://www.stormforcemarine.com/nomen.html

https://www.amazon.com/Whitecap-4-1-Folding-Cleat-Stainless/dp/B00SG41IOE

https://www.whitworths.com.au/stainless-steel-x-folding-cleat-6

https://www.force4.co.uk/ys-toe-rail-spring-cleat.html

https://www.marinechandlery.com/allen-toerail-cleat-spring-cleat-ys9185-anodised-aluminium

FYI, Touche' has an inboard jib track with a sliding padeye.  I tie my
spring lines to the padeye.  Not optimum but usable.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-27 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List
Hi Rick,
 Good points.  Two reasons for a mid ship cleat.

1.  Not all docks (and Piers) have mid cleats.
2.  The chocks at the bow and stern of my C are not big enough for 2-5/8"
dock lines, so chaffing is an issue.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah

~~~_/)~~


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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ve actually been following this discussion, though I don’t foresee the
> need for a mid-ship cleat on Imzadi.
>
>
>
> Imzadi is one of the mid-70s C that came with a winch farm around the
> mast. I’ve led lines aft and eliminated the winches, but kept the cleats on
> the cabin top. The spring lines in my home slip are attached high on
> pilings so they can be routed over the lifelines and to the cabin top
> mid-ship cleats. Since I leave a set of lines permanently attached at the
> home slip, and they are preset for length with the eye toward the boat,
> this makes entering the slip and tying up pretty easy.
>
>
>
> On the bigger boats I’ve worked on (up to about 85 feet or so) and
> observed, the normal procedure is to run the springs from the bow and stern
> and attach them to the dock in the middle. That is the practice I almost
> always use when on a dock other than my home slip. And that is the way my
> 25 is secured in her slip.
>
>
>
> On the 72 foot schooner I used to captain, we had prerigged bow and bow
> spring through the forward hawse hole, and prerigged stern and aft spring
> lines through the aft hole. We did have a short-ish (25 ft. or so) breast
> line through a mid-ship hawse, but that line was always the first line to
> the dock so I could use the engine fore and aft to snug the boat up to the
> dock before setting dock lines, and it was removed and coiled after the
> other lines were secure.
>
>
>
> I guess I’m curious why so many other C have added mid-ship cleats?
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
>
> la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-27 Thread Rick Brass via CnC-List
I’ve actually been following this discussion, though I don’t foresee the need 
for a mid-ship cleat on Imzadi.

 

Imzadi is one of the mid-70s C that came with a winch farm around the mast. 
I’ve led lines aft and eliminated the winches, but kept the cleats on the cabin 
top. The spring lines in my home slip are attached high on pilings so they can 
be routed over the lifelines and to the cabin top mid-ship cleats. Since I 
leave a set of lines permanently attached at the home slip, and they are preset 
for length with the eye toward the boat, this makes entering the slip and tying 
up pretty easy.

 

On the bigger boats I’ve worked on (up to about 85 feet or so) and observed, 
the normal procedure is to run the springs from the bow and stern and attach 
them to the dock in the middle. That is the practice I almost always use when 
on a dock other than my home slip. And that is the way my 25 is secured in her 
slip.

 

On the 72 foot schooner I used to captain, we had prerigged bow and bow spring 
through the forward hawse hole, and prerigged stern and aft spring lines 
through the aft hole. We did have a short-ish (25 ft. or so) breast line 
through a mid-ship hawse, but that line was always the first line to the dock 
so I could use the engine fore and aft to snug the boat up to the dock before 
setting dock lines, and it was removed and coiled after the other lines were 
secure. 

 

I guess I’m curious why so many other C have added mid-ship cleats?

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-27 Thread Allen Miles via CnC-List
Slick Gary.  Nice straight forward design.  Think I'll try it myself.

Thanks for sharing

Allen Miles
Septima 30-2

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>  A couple of weeks back there was a discussion about toe rail cleats.
> I was unhappy with the Johnson Toe Rail Cleat
> ,
> so I decided to make my own using a Schaefer 8" Black Aluminum Cleat
> .
> My solution looks like this
> 
> .
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-26 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List
For those who want the details;

The cleat is Schaefer Marine 8" black aluminum (found new in a consignment
store).
The aluminum angles is 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" x 6" (1/4" thickness) and is made
out of marine grade aluminum (5086) - McMaster.com
The keeper plate is 1/2" x 1/4" x 6" aluminum - Amazon
The bolts through the cleat are 5/16" x 2-1/4" flat head stainless steel
The bolts through the toe rail are 3/8" x 1" hex head stainless steel
The nuts are Ny-Lock
No modifications to the boat or toe rail were made.
No animals were injured in the process 

The cost is slightly less that the Johnson toe rail cleat if you purchase
the cleat at Defender prices.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA


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> My brain doesn't work that fast!  
> Gary
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>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List <
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>> me too! wish you posted fee weeks back orderd the johnson
>>
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>> On Jun 26, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
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>> I like it!
>>
>> Dennis C.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  A couple of weeks back there was a discussion about toe rail
>>> cleats.  I was unhappy with the Johnson Toe Rail Cleat
>>> ,
>>> so I decided to make my own using a Schaefer 8" Black Aluminum Cleat
>>> .
>>> My solution looks like this
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary
>>> S/V Kaylarah
>>> '90 C 37+
>>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-26 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List
My brain doesn't work that fast!  
Gary
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List <
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> me too! wish you posted fee weeks back orderd the johnson
>
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> On Jun 26, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
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> I like it!
>
> Dennis C.
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> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
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>>  A couple of weeks back there was a discussion about toe rail
>> cleats.  I was unhappy with the Johnson Toe Rail Cleat
>> ,
>> so I decided to make my own using a Schaefer 8" Black Aluminum Cleat
>> .
>> My solution looks like this
>> .
>>
>>
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-26 Thread John Conklin via CnC-List
me too! wish you posted fee weeks back orderd the johnson

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I like it!

Dennis C.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
 A couple of weeks back there was a discussion about toe rail cleats.  I 
was unhappy with the Johnson Toe Rail 
Cleat,
 so I decided to make my own using a Schaefer 8" Black Aluminum 
Cleat.
  My solution looks like 
this.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-26 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
I like it!

Dennis C.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 1:19 PM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
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>  A couple of weeks back there was a discussion about toe rail cleats.
> I was unhappy with the Johnson Toe Rail Cleat
> ,
> so I decided to make my own using a Schaefer 8" Black Aluminum Cleat
> .
> My solution looks like this
> 
> .
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Stus-List Toe Rail Cleat (revisited)

2018-06-26 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List
 A couple of weeks back there was a discussion about toe rail cleats.
I was unhappy with the Johnson Toe Rail Cleat
,
so I decided to make my own using a Schaefer 8" Black Aluminum Cleat
.
My solution looks like this

.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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