Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Mark McMenamy via CnC-List]

Great.  Thanks a lot.  I was a little a little concerned about not having a 
friction lock, looks like a non issue though.  My Suzuki has been a pain.  I 
may replace it with a Tohatsu.  Sounds like a good deal.

Thanks again, 

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 5:45 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Two comments.
> 
> 1. The six and I believe newer 9.9 have a thumb set screw to lock in centered 
> position
> 
> 2. +1 on the forces when comes in and out of water hobbyhorsing. We had a 
> motor mount break in half sending a one year old tohatsu 6 hl to the bottom 
> over 150 Ft below. That and a previous theft is why we bought three over 
> three seasons. However liked the motor so much always bought one identical
> 
> Mike
> Formerly
> Nut Case
> 1987 J27
> Halifax, ns
> 
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Chuck Gilchrest 
> via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> Sent: April 27, 2016 8:39 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard
> 
> Hi Mark,
> My recently sold C 25 had a Tohatsu (Nissan) 9.8 Long shaft electric
> start.  Generally a good motor and was the lightest of the 9.8 electric
> starts on the market, making it a good choice for the somewhat flimsy
> transom on the 25.   If I had to choose again, I would suggest the Extra
> Long Shaft (25" leg) over the standard long shaft.  In hobby horse
> conditions on Buzzards Bay, it wasn't unusual for the prop to come out of
> the water which put a significant strain on the engine bracket attachment
> when the prop dropped back in the water.  I also liked that it had an
> alternator that would charge the dual purpose battery on the boat.
> Maintenance wise, the engine ran fairly reliably but was sensitive to fuel
> that sat in the carb for more than 2-3 weeks.  I bought mine in 2007 and
> rebuilt and cleaned the carburetor at least 4 times due to fuel issues.  One
> other thing I would have liked would have been a steering lock on the engine
> which would have allowed the engine to be locked in on center when motoring
> for any distance.  When the motor was revved, the engine tended to self
> steer counter clockwise, which meant I often had to hold the boat tiller in
> one hand and the engine tiller in the other.  Perhaps other brands of engine
> have a steering lock component that would prevent this.
> Lowering the engine meant reaching over the transom and pulling up a lever
> that held the engine in the tilt position and then slowly easing the engine
> down.  Lifting the engine became more of an issue after an engine lift lock
> on the motor that attached to the shift mechanism became detached, meaning
> it needed to be actuated manually on the engine leg.  Not a huge problem,
> but a bit of a pain.  With a long shaft or Extra long shaft, you will need
> to tilt the engine to get it to come completely out of the water when it is
> mounted to a transom bracket, even if the bracket has a lifting component to
> it.
> Even with the simple issues I've mentioned, it was a vast improvement over
> the Evinrude 9.9 Sail Twin it replaced, both in terms of noise, fuel
> economy, and reliability.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> Half Magic
> 1983 LF 35
> Padanaram, MA
> 
> -Original Message-
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> McMenamy via CnC-List
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> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Mark McMenamy <markm...@msn.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does anybody
> have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was considering the
> manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and lower?
> 
> Mark McMenamy
> C 25 "Icicle"
> Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Two comments.

1. The six and I believe newer 9.9 have a thumb set screw to lock in centered 
position

2. +1 on the forces when comes in and out of water hobbyhorsing. We had a motor 
mount break in half sending a one year old tohatsu 6 hl to the bottom over 150 
Ft below. That and a previous theft is why we bought three over three seasons. 
However liked the motor so much always bought one identical

Mike
Formerly
Nut Case
1987 J27
Halifax, ns

From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Chuck Gilchrest via 
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Sent: April 27, 2016 8:39 PM
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Cc: Chuck Gilchrest
Subject: Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

Hi Mark,
My recently sold C 25 had a Tohatsu (Nissan) 9.8 Long shaft electric
start.  Generally a good motor and was the lightest of the 9.8 electric
starts on the market, making it a good choice for the somewhat flimsy
transom on the 25.   If I had to choose again, I would suggest the Extra
Long Shaft (25" leg) over the standard long shaft.  In hobby horse
conditions on Buzzards Bay, it wasn't unusual for the prop to come out of
the water which put a significant strain on the engine bracket attachment
when the prop dropped back in the water.  I also liked that it had an
alternator that would charge the dual purpose battery on the boat.
Maintenance wise, the engine ran fairly reliably but was sensitive to fuel
that sat in the carb for more than 2-3 weeks.  I bought mine in 2007 and
rebuilt and cleaned the carburetor at least 4 times due to fuel issues.  One
other thing I would have liked would have been a steering lock on the engine
which would have allowed the engine to be locked in on center when motoring
for any distance.  When the motor was revved, the engine tended to self
steer counter clockwise, which meant I often had to hold the boat tiller in
one hand and the engine tiller in the other.  Perhaps other brands of engine
have a steering lock component that would prevent this.
Lowering the engine meant reaching over the transom and pulling up a lever
that held the engine in the tilt position and then slowly easing the engine
down.  Lifting the engine became more of an issue after an engine lift lock
on the motor that attached to the shift mechanism became detached, meaning
it needed to be actuated manually on the engine leg.  Not a huge problem,
but a bit of a pain.  With a long shaft or Extra long shaft, you will need
to tilt the engine to get it to come completely out of the water when it is
mounted to a transom bracket, even if the bracket has a lifting component to
it.
Even with the simple issues I've mentioned, it was a vast improvement over
the Evinrude 9.9 Sail Twin it replaced, both in terms of noise, fuel
economy, and reliability.
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic
1983 LF 35
Padanaram, MA

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Subject: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

Hello,

I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does anybody
have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was considering the
manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and lower?

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I had several 6 hp tobatsu and one 2.5. these are the makers of mercury 15 and 
under and are the same as Nissan.  Good motors



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Subject: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

Hello,

I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does anybody 
have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was considering the 
manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and lower?

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Franklin Schenk via CnC-List]

They are not the same.  I think that one is black and the other is grey.  :)  
BTW, I believe that Tohatsu also makes some of the small Mercury outboards. 

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:46 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 If I'm not mistaken, I believe that Tohatsu  and Nissan Marine are the same 
motor.  I had a 18 hp 4 stroke Nissan on a 15 ft Seaeagle inflatable for 
several years and it started every time and ran great. I think you'll have no 
worries with the Tohatsu. Brian
'80 Landfall 38
NinaOn Apr 27, 2016 7:16 PM, "Mark McMenamy via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

Hello,

I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does anybody 
have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was considering the 
manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and lower?

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Sailnomad via CnC-List]

I agree with the extra long shaft. When I have my motor mount all the way
down, and engine open, the plate that holds the engine actually dips in the
water for a few inches. So in calm waters I don't lower the engine all the
way.
I never had any problems, but I have had the boat and the engine only for 3
moths last season. This season, it started up right away.
Ahmet
Tabasco
C 25 Boston, MA

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> My recently sold C 25 had a Tohatsu (Nissan) 9.8 Long shaft electric
> start.  Generally a good motor and was the lightest of the 9.8 electric
> starts on the market, making it a good choice for the somewhat flimsy
> transom on the 25.   If I had to choose again, I would suggest the Extra
> Long Shaft (25" leg) over the standard long shaft.  In hobby horse
> conditions on Buzzards Bay, it wasn't unusual for the prop to come out of
> the water which put a significant strain on the engine bracket attachment
> when the prop dropped back in the water.  I also liked that it had an
> alternator that would charge the dual purpose battery on the boat.
> Maintenance wise, the engine ran fairly reliably but was sensitive to fuel
> that sat in the carb for more than 2-3 weeks.  I bought mine in 2007 and
> rebuilt and cleaned the carburetor at least 4 times due to fuel issues.
> One
> other thing I would have liked would have been a steering lock on the
> engine
> which would have allowed the engine to be locked in on center when motoring
> for any distance.  When the motor was revved, the engine tended to self
> steer counter clockwise, which meant I often had to hold the boat tiller in
> one hand and the engine tiller in the other.  Perhaps other brands of
> engine
> have a steering lock component that would prevent this.
> Lowering the engine meant reaching over the transom and pulling up a lever
> that held the engine in the tilt position and then slowly easing the engine
> down.  Lifting the engine became more of an issue after an engine lift lock
> on the motor that attached to the shift mechanism became detached, meaning
> it needed to be actuated manually on the engine leg.  Not a huge problem,
> but a bit of a pain.  With a long shaft or Extra long shaft, you will need
> to tilt the engine to get it to come completely out of the water when it is
> mounted to a transom bracket, even if the bracket has a lifting component
> to
> it.
> Even with the simple issues I've mentioned, it was a vast improvement over
> the Evinrude 9.9 Sail Twin it replaced, both in terms of noise, fuel
> economy, and reliability.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> Half Magic
> 1983 LF 35
> Padanaram, MA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> McMenamy via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:15 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Mark McMenamy <markm...@msn.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard
>
> Hello,
>
> I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does anybody
> have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was considering the
> manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and lower?
>
> Mark McMenamy
> C 25 "Icicle"
> Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Sailnomad via CnC-List]

I have the Nissan 9.8 on my 25 C
The difficulty to raise and lower depends on you and your mount.
I have to grab the handle and give it a good pull.
A bit of a problem for me is that the pushpit is in the way, so I have to
lean over it, and it becomes a bit awkward.
But I don't think it has anything to do with the size of the engine.
Ahmet
Tabasco C 25


On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Brian Davis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken, I believe that Tohatsu  and Nissan Marine are the
> same motor.  I had a 18 hp 4 stroke Nissan on a 15 ft Seaeagle inflatable
> for several years and it started every time and ran great. I think you'll
> have no worries with the Tohatsu.
>
> Brian
> '80 Landfall 38
> Nina
> On Apr 27, 2016 7:16 PM, "Mark McMenamy via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does
>> anybody have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was
>> considering the manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and
>> lower?
>>
>> Mark McMenamy
>> C 25 "Icicle"
>> Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that Tohatsu  and Nissan Marine are the same
motor.  I had a 18 hp 4 stroke Nissan on a 15 ft Seaeagle inflatable for
several years and it started every time and ran great. I think you'll have
no worries with the Tohatsu.

Brian
'80 Landfall 38
Nina
On Apr 27, 2016 7:16 PM, "Mark McMenamy via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does
> anybody have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was
> considering the manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and
> lower?
>
> Mark McMenamy
> C 25 "Icicle"
> Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Mark McMenamy via CnC-List]

Greatthanks a lot for the replies.  I really appreciate it.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL

On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I had a 2008 tohatsu on my O'day 22 for about 4 years before I sold the boat 
with the engine.  We were very happy with it.  I could raise and lower it 
myself, it was heavy but,  the bracket wasn't in the best shape. It had 
electric start but would pull start quite easily.

Best price at the time was onlineoutboards.com<http://onlineoutboards.com>

Danny



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Subject: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

Hello,

I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does anybody 
have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was considering the 
manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and lower?

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I had a 2008 tohatsu on my O'day 22 for about 4 years before I sold the boat 
with the engine.  We were very happy with it.  I could raise and lower it 
myself, it was heavy but,  the bracket wasn't in the best shape. It had 
electric start but would pull start quite easily. 
Best price at the time was onlineoutboards.com
Danny


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Subject: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard 
Hello,

I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does anybody 
have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was considering the 
manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and lower?

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Re: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Hi Mark,
My recently sold C 25 had a Tohatsu (Nissan) 9.8 Long shaft electric
start.  Generally a good motor and was the lightest of the 9.8 electric
starts on the market, making it a good choice for the somewhat flimsy
transom on the 25.   If I had to choose again, I would suggest the Extra
Long Shaft (25" leg) over the standard long shaft.  In hobby horse
conditions on Buzzards Bay, it wasn't unusual for the prop to come out of
the water which put a significant strain on the engine bracket attachment
when the prop dropped back in the water.  I also liked that it had an
alternator that would charge the dual purpose battery on the boat.
Maintenance wise, the engine ran fairly reliably but was sensitive to fuel
that sat in the carb for more than 2-3 weeks.  I bought mine in 2007 and
rebuilt and cleaned the carburetor at least 4 times due to fuel issues.  One
other thing I would have liked would have been a steering lock on the engine
which would have allowed the engine to be locked in on center when motoring
for any distance.  When the motor was revved, the engine tended to self
steer counter clockwise, which meant I often had to hold the boat tiller in
one hand and the engine tiller in the other.  Perhaps other brands of engine
have a steering lock component that would prevent this.  
Lowering the engine meant reaching over the transom and pulling up a lever
that held the engine in the tilt position and then slowly easing the engine
down.  Lifting the engine became more of an issue after an engine lift lock
on the motor that attached to the shift mechanism became detached, meaning
it needed to be actuated manually on the engine leg.  Not a huge problem,
but a bit of a pain.  With a long shaft or Extra long shaft, you will need
to tilt the engine to get it to come completely out of the water when it is
mounted to a transom bracket, even if the bracket has a lifting component to
it.
Even with the simple issues I've mentioned, it was a vast improvement over
the Evinrude 9.9 Sail Twin it replaced, both in terms of noise, fuel
economy, and reliability.
Chuck Gilchrest
Half Magic 
1983 LF 35
Padanaram, MA

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Subject: Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

Hello,

I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does anybody
have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was considering the
manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and lower?

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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Stus-List Tohatsu Outboard

[Mark McMenamy via CnC-List]

Hello,

I was thinking of replacing my Suzuki 9.9 with a Tohatsu 9.8.  Does anybody 
have any experience with these?  Also, to save weight I was considering the 
manual tilt.  I was curious if it's difficult to raise and lower?

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL
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