Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-10 Thread Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
Rick,
The "fuzzy Dacron sheets" sold by Cajun Trading is actually Novabraid XLE-Z 
Feel, which is made from a spun polyester fiber to get softer hand.   I agree 
that 3/8" is probably a better size for her sheets and should match the size to 
the jaws of the self trailer.  
I would argue that Stretch in any sheet or halyard is generally not a great 
idea.  Much better to ease sheets before a puff hits.  If stretch was good, 
we'd all be using nylon sheets.

 If Sophia is using winches to sheet in her Genoa, a single braid will flatten 
out on the winch drum and wear prematurely, plus there is really no benefit to 
having a floating jib sheet (other than lighter weight in super light air 
conditions). Yale Ph.D.makes a great main sheet since it runs really well in 
blocks but does not float.   And the reason it is made with Dyneema is to 
reduce elongation but being a single braid, it doesn't stay round under load.  
Getting a line that has good grip in the winch, low torsion to reduce hockling, 
twists, and birds nests in the cockpit is far more critical when choosing a 
construction.
The best size line to use in the Genoa car traveler should be a size to fit the 
sheaves on the traveller assuring a safe bend ratio but not exceed the sheave 
width, allowing the line to run without chafe.  If the traveller uses 50mm 
sheaves, 1/4" line is the largest line you should use to assure a 8x ratio.  
Larger line may not grip in the cam cleat that controls the line.  Buying 
oversized rope to improve grip on a line that is rarely handled is a waste of 
money however, the loads on a Genoa car control line can be high if you are 
adjusting car position under load, so this may be a good application for your 
PHd  single braid line, which feels soft but has lower stretch.

Chuck Gilchrest (Novatec Braids LTD)
Half Magic
1975 25 mk1

S/V Orion
1983 35 Landfall

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> On Jan 10, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Joel makes a good point.
>  
> The genoa sheets on my 38 are 7/16”. One set are StaSet, the other are a 
> fuzzy braid Dacron from Cajun Trading. My headsail is almost as much sail 
> area as your whole rig. So 7/16ths is bigger than you need. 3/8” StaSet or 
> equivalent would be better, and less expensive. Remember that you want a bit 
> of stretch in your sheets to ease the shock of sudden gusts. You might also 
> want to think about a synthetic line that floats. I think Yale makes a 
> floating single braid that is made of Dacron and synthetic like Dyneema 
> called PHD Cruiser that might be appropriate.
>  
> Your traveler leads are 4X length of the track plus 4 or 5 feet for a tail so 
> it can be adjusted. So 25-26 feet is probably about right. As Joel points 
> out, 5/16ths will be easier on your hands and easier to grip. Since your 
> traveler line, at 4:1, will only have a couple hundred pounds of tension at 
> most, an inexpensive Yachtbraid will be fine.
>  
> Regarding the length of the sheets: 1.5 x LOA is a pretty good rule. One of 
> my sets is that length, and frankly I wish it was 5’ longer so there would be 
> some extra length for tailing. You LOA is 29.6’, so 44 or 45 feet is the 
> recommended length.
>  
> Let’s calculate what you need and see if you BF is right. Your J is almost 
> 13’, so the clew of your 155 is about 6 ½’ behind the mast.
> You need 6.5’ to get forward to the mast,
> 6’ to get around the mast and shroud (remember it is the lazy sheet so you 
> want some slack)
> About 18’ gets you to the turning block 
> Another 4’ to get up to the winch and take a couple of wraps
> And another 8 feet or so as a cushion and to leave some length for tailing.
> Total length, which is pretty much a minimum, is about 42.5’
>  
> So your BF is sorta right.
>  
> But get 45’ – or maybe even 50’ for the reasons previously listed by Dennis 
> and others on the list.
>  
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
> Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:04 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards
>  
> Id use 3/8 for the sheets. If you have self trailers make sure you have the 
> right diameter line for the winches. 5/16 might be easier on the hands for 
> the traveler. 
>  
> Joel
> 
> On Sunday, January 10, 2016, Sophia Weber via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> What is the best length to get? I've read the 1.5x LOA rule, but my boyfriend 
> is arguing that is too long. Looking to get new jib sheets (7/16"?)‎ and also 
> a line for my new Harken windward sheeting traveler system for which I have a 
> 1.5m track and want to do a 4:1 purchase (1/4"? - 26 ft?)
>

Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-10 Thread Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Joel makes a good point.

 

The genoa sheets on my 38 are 7/16”. One set are StaSet, the other are a fuzzy 
braid Dacron from Cajun Trading. My headsail is almost as much sail area as 
your whole rig. So 7/16ths is bigger than you need. 3/8” StaSet or equivalent 
would be better, and less expensive. Remember that you want a bit of stretch in 
your sheets to ease the shock of sudden gusts. You might also want to think 
about a synthetic line that floats. I think Yale makes a floating single braid 
that is made of Dacron and synthetic like Dyneema called PHD Cruiser that might 
be appropriate. 

 

Your traveler leads are 4X length of the track plus 4 or 5 feet for a tail so 
it can be adjusted. So 25-26 feet is probably about right. As Joel points out, 
5/16ths will be easier on your hands and easier to grip. Since your traveler 
line, at 4:1, will only have a couple hundred pounds of tension at most, an 
inexpensive Yachtbraid will be fine.

 

Regarding the length of the sheets: 1.5 x LOA is a pretty good rule. One of my 
sets is that length, and frankly I wish it was 5’ longer so there would be some 
extra length for tailing. You LOA is 29.6’, so 44 or 45 feet is the recommended 
length.

 

Let’s calculate what you need and see if you BF is right. Your J is almost 13’, 
so the clew of your 155 is about 6 ½’ behind the mast.

You need 6.5’ to get forward to the mast,

6’ to get around the mast and shroud (remember it is the lazy sheet so you want 
some slack)

About 18’ gets you to the turning block  

Another 4’ to get up to the winch and take a couple of wraps

And another 8 feet or so as a cushion and to leave some length for tailing.

Total length, which is pretty much a minimum, is about 42.5’

 

So your BF is sorta right.

 

But get 45’ – or maybe even 50’ for the reasons previously listed by Dennis and 
others on the list.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

 

Id use 3/8 for the sheets. If you have self trailers make sure you have the 
right diameter line for the winches. 5/16 might be easier on the hands for the 
traveler. 

 

Joel

On Sunday, January 10, 2016, Sophia Weber via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

What is the best length to get? I've read the 1.5x LOA rule, but my boyfriend 
is arguing that is too long. Looking to get new jib sheets (7/16"?)‎ and also a 
line for my new Harken windward sheeting traveler system for which I have a 
1.5m track and want to do a 4:1 purchase (1/4"? - 26 ft?)

Sophia
1978 C&C29 MK1
NYC Toronto

  Original Message  
From: Dennis C.‎
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 14:02‎
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

I really don't get why owners don't buy extra length when getting new
sheets and halyards. The extra line in a cockpit isn't usually a big deal
if you have sheet bags.

Just like Joel says, you can cut some off the sheet to move the wear
points.

When I bought my latest set of jib sheets, I bought extra length and had
eyes put on each end. I use soft shackles so I need eyes. I can end for
end it if it is damaged near an end.

I had bought extra length on a spin halyard. When it got damaged near the
shackle end, I pulled it, cut off the damaged portion, put an eye in the
other end and re-used it. Saved me $100 bucks for a new halyard.

You can put an eye splice in a line as long as it hasn't been loaded. Once
it's loaded, it is difficult to make the eye.

Generally, you can't put eyes on both ends of a halyard because the eye
often won't pass through the masthead sheaves.

IMHO, spending an extra 10% on a sheet or halyard is good insurance against
having to replace it entirely.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com  > wrote:

> I use 7/16 Sta-Set on my 35/3. These is some stretch when close hauled,
> but a click or two on the winch once the sail is loaded takes care of it.
>
> Most of the wear comes from where the line goes around the winch when
> close hauled. With separate sheets you can reverse the sheets when they
> wear. Buy them 5 feet longer and you can cut off a couple feet and extend
> the life even more.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>

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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-10 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Id use 3/8 for the sheets. If you have self trailers make sure you have the
right diameter line for the winches. 5/16 might be easier on the hands for
the traveler.

Joel

On Sunday, January 10, 2016, Sophia Weber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What is the best length to get? I've read the 1.5x LOA rule, but my
> boyfriend is arguing that is too long. Looking to get new jib sheets
> (7/16"?)‎ and also a line for my new Harken windward sheeting traveler
> system for which I have a 1.5m track and want to do a 4:1 purchase (1/4"? -
> 26 ft?)
>
> Sophia
> 1978 C&C29 MK1
> NYC Toronto
>
>   Original Message
> From: Dennis C.‎
> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 14:02‎
> To: CnClist
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards
>
> I really don't get why owners don't buy extra length when getting new
> sheets and halyards. The extra line in a cockpit isn't usually a big deal
> if you have sheet bags.
>
> Just like Joel says, you can cut some off the sheet to move the wear
> points.
>
> When I bought my latest set of jib sheets, I bought extra length and had
> eyes put on each end. I use soft shackles so I need eyes. I can end for
> end it if it is damaged near an end.
>
> I had bought extra length on a spin halyard. When it got damaged near the
> shackle end, I pulled it, cut off the damaged portion, put an eye in the
> other end and re-used it. Saved me $100 bucks for a new halyard.
>
> You can put an eye splice in a line as long as it hasn't been loaded. Once
> it's loaded, it is difficult to make the eye.
>
> Generally, you can't put eyes on both ends of a halyard because the eye
> often won't pass through the masthead sheaves.
>
> IMHO, spending an extra 10% on a sheet or halyard is good insurance against
> having to replace it entirely.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
>
> > I use 7/16 Sta-Set on my 35/3. These is some stretch when close hauled,
> > but a click or two on the winch once the sail is loaded takes care of it.
> >
> > Most of the wear comes from where the line goes around the winch when
> > close hauled. With separate sheets you can reverse the sheets when they
> > wear. Buy them 5 feet longer and you can cut off a couple feet and extend
> > the life even more.
> >
> > Joel
> > 35/3
> > Annapolis
> >
>
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-10 Thread Sophia Weber via CnC-List 
What is the best length to get? I've read the 1.5x LOA rule, but my boyfriend 
is arguing that is too long. Looking to get new jib sheets (7/16"?)‎ and also a 
line for my new Harken windward sheeting traveler system for which I have a 
1.5m track and want to do a 4:1 purchase (1/4"? - 26 ft?)

Sophia
1978 C&C29 MK1
NYC Toronto

  Original Message  
From: Dennis C.‎
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 14:02‎
To: CnClist
Subject: Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

I really don't get why owners don't buy extra length when getting new
sheets and halyards. The extra line in a cockpit isn't usually a big deal
if you have sheet bags.

Just like Joel says, you can cut some off the sheet to move the wear
points.

When I bought my latest set of jib sheets, I bought extra length and had
eyes put on each end. I use soft shackles so I need eyes. I can end for
end it if it is damaged near an end.

I had bought extra length on a spin halyard. When it got damaged near the
shackle end, I pulled it, cut off the damaged portion, put an eye in the
other end and re-used it. Saved me $100 bucks for a new halyard.

You can put an eye splice in a line as long as it hasn't been loaded. Once
it's loaded, it is difficult to make the eye.

Generally, you can't put eyes on both ends of a halyard because the eye
often won't pass through the masthead sheaves.

IMHO, spending an extra 10% on a sheet or halyard is good insurance against
having to replace it entirely.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I use 7/16 Sta-Set on my 35/3. These is some stretch when close hauled,
> but a click or two on the winch once the sail is loaded takes care of it.
>
> Most of the wear comes from where the line goes around the winch when
> close hauled. With separate sheets you can reverse the sheets when they
> wear. Buy them 5 feet longer and you can cut off a couple feet and extend
> the life even more.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>

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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-08 Thread Russ & Melody via CnC-List 


Haha. No lasso on my boat and not many rednecks 
in our neck o' ta woods, so I don't even know 
where to look for one. I'll ask Rich Knowles, 
he's in the rope section at the Harbour Chandler these days.


I did turn a mooring line into a bridle, after 
the dingy was in the water it became a painter... :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Colony of Vancouver Island

At 08:08 PM 07/01/2016, you wrote:

figures, you got a lasso too???

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Russ & Melody 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


I've got rope on my sailboat, it's not all just a line.

There's the bellrope, boltrope and a spool of 
rope that hasn't been set a purpose yet.  And 
there is also rope that is sheet, guy, halyard, barber-hauler, rode, etc.Â


        Cheers, Russ
        Sweet 35 mk-1


At 01:52 PM 07/01/2016, you wrote:
I have already been, done that (at 
APS).  Thanks anyway!  It is rope before it 
gets on a sailboat--then its line.


Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
(presently in Baltimore)
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so 
much worth doing as simply messing about in boats."Â  --Kenneth Grahame


On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Joel Aronson via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


APS is having their annual January sale, but 
this year it is 25% off all line, not just custom work.


You can satisfy your fetish at a discount!

Joel

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Burton 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

"Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
*Line*, please!
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USAÂ Â Â  02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 


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> On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via 
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>
> Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread dwight veinot via CnC-List 
figures, you got a lasso too???

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> I've got rope on my sailboat, it's not all just a line.
>
> There's the bellrope, boltrope and a spool of rope that hasn't been set a
> purpose yet.  And there is also rope that is sheet, guy, halyard,
> barber-hauler, rode, etc.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
>
> At 01:52 PM 07/01/2016, you wrote:
>
> I have already been, done that (at APS).  Thanks anyway!  It is rope
> before it gets on a sailboat--then its line.
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
> (presently in Baltimore)
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>
> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply
> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
>
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> APS is having their annual January sale, but this year it is 25% off *all
> *line, not just custom work.
>
> You can satisfy your fetish at a discount!
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> "Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
> *Line*, please!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> Newport, RI
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread David Lenehan via CnC-List 
Russ,

You forgot the hangman's rope for mutinous crew and deserters.😀

On 8 January 2016 at 14:50, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> I've got rope on my sailboat, it's not all just a line.
>
> There's the bellrope, boltrope and a spool of rope that hasn't been set a
> purpose yet.  And there is also rope that is sheet, guy, halyard,
> barber-hauler, rode, etc.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
> At 01:52 PM 07/01/2016, you wrote:
>
> I have already been, done that (at APS).  Thanks anyway!  It is rope
> before it gets on a sailboat--then its line.
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
> (presently in Baltimore)
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>
> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply
> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
>
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> APS is having their annual January sale, but this year it is 25% off *all
> *line, not just custom work.
>
> You can satisfy your fetish at a discount!
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> "Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
> *Line*, please!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> Newport, RI
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Russ & Melody via CnC-List 


I've got rope on my sailboat, it's not all just a line.

There's the bellrope, boltrope and a spool of rope that hasn't been 
set a purpose yet.  And there is also rope that is sheet, guy, 
halyard, barber-hauler, rode, etc.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 01:52 PM 07/01/2016, you wrote:
I have already been, done that (at APS).  Thanks anyway!  It is rope 
before it gets on a sailboat--then its line.


Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
(presently in Baltimore)
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as 
simply messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame


On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


APS is having their annual January sale, but this year it is 25% 
off all line, not just custom work.


You can satisfy your fetish at a discount!

Joel

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

"Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
*Line*, please!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

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+401 965-5260

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!

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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
Even on a boat, I always understood that a line was something that you were fed 
as a novice bowman when someone was asking you to do something stupid like  “Go 
up the mast in the bosun’s chair and take down the Skyhook”, or “Row ashore and 
get us a smoke shifter for the stern BBQ.  It is getting too smoky in the 
cockpit”…

And this is coming from someone in the marine rope business.

Cheers,

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic

1975 25 Mk 1

 

S/V Orion

1983 35 Landfall

Padanarm, MA

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Burton via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 5:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

 

I dunno...I have all my lines at home. :)

 

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

Andrew Burton

61 W Narragansett

Newport, RI 

USA02840

 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

+401 965-5260


On Jan 7, 2016, at 16:52, Robert Boyer via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have already been, done that (at APS).  Thanks anyway!  It is rope before it 
gets on a sailboat--then its line.

Bob Boyer

S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 

(presently in Baltimore)

1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230

email: dainyr...@icloud.com <mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com>  

blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com <http://dainyrays.blogspot.com> 

 

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame


On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

APS is having their annual January sale, but this year it is 25% off all line, 
not just custom work.

 

You can satisfy your fetish at a discount!

 

Joel

 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

"Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
*Line*, please!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

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>
> Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!

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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread dwight veinot via CnC-List 
you were fed bad goop...lines are what all sailors deal with

Dwight Veinot
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Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Even on a boat, I always understood that a line was something that you
> were fed as a novice bowman when someone was asking you to do something
> stupid like  “Go up the mast in the bosun’s chair and take down the
> Skyhook”, or “Row ashore and get us a smoke shifter for the stern BBQ.  It
> is getting too smoky in the cockpit”…
>
> And this is coming from someone in the marine rope business.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> Half Magic
>
> 1975 25 Mk 1
>
>
>
> S/V Orion
>
> 1983 35 Landfall
>
> Padanarm, MA
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Burton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2016 5:04 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Andrew Burton 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards
>
>
>
> I dunno...I have all my lines at home. :)
>
>
>
> Andy
>
> C&C 40
>
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
>
> 61 W Narragansett
>
> Newport, RI
>
> USA02840
>
>
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
> +401 965-5260
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 16:52, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I have already been, done that (at APS).  Thanks anyway!  It is rope
> before it gets on a sailboat--then its line.
>
> Bob Boyer
>
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
>
> (presently in Baltimore)
>
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
>
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
>
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply
> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> APS is having their annual January sale, but this year it is 25% off *all
> *line, not just custom work.
>
>
>
> You can satisfy your fetish at a discount!
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> "Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
> *Line*, please!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> Newport, RI
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread dwight veinot via CnC-List 
most important consideration is to get the line that is good on the
hands...it will also be good on the winch drum...search carefully

Dwight Veinot
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Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


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> I really don't get why owners don't buy extra length when getting new
> sheets and halyards.  The extra line in a cockpit isn't usually a big deal
> if you have sheet bags.
>
> Just like Joel says, you can cut some off the sheet to move the wear
> points.
>
> When I bought my latest set of jib sheets, I bought extra length and had
> eyes put on each end.  I use soft shackles so I need eyes.  I can end for
> end it if it is damaged near an end.
>
> I had bought extra length on a spin halyard.  When it got damaged near the
> shackle end, I pulled it, cut off the damaged portion, put an eye in the
> other end and re-used it.  Saved me $100 bucks for a new halyard.
>
> You can put an eye splice in a line as long as it hasn't been loaded.
> Once it's loaded, it is difficult to make the eye.
>
> Generally, you can't put eyes on both ends of a halyard because the eye
> often won't pass through the masthead sheaves.
>
> IMHO, spending an extra 10% on a sheet or halyard is good insurance
> against having to replace it entirely.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
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>
>> I use 7/16 Sta-Set on my 35/3.  These is some stretch when close hauled,
>> but a click or two on the winch once the sail is loaded takes care of it.
>>
>> Most of the wear comes from where the line goes around the winch when
>> close hauled.  With separate sheets you can reverse the sheets when they
>> wear.  Buy them 5 feet longer and you can cut off a couple feet and extend
>> the life even more.
>>
>> Joel
>> 35/3
>> Annapolis
>>
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
I dunno...I have all my lines at home. :)

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Jan 7, 2016, at 16:52, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I have already been, done that (at APS).  Thanks anyway!  It is rope before 
> it gets on a sailboat--then its line.
> 
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 
> (presently in Baltimore)
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> 
> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> APS is having their annual January sale, but this year it is 25% off all 
>> line, not just custom work.
>> 
>> You can satisfy your fetish at a discount!
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> "Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
>>> *Line*, please!
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> C&C 40
>>> Peregrine
>>> Newport, RI
>>> 
>>> Andrew Burton
>>> 61 W Narragansett
>>> Newport, RI
>>> USA02840
>>> 
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>>> +401 965-5260
>>> 
>>> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
I have already been, done that (at APS).  Thanks anyway!  It is rope before it 
gets on a sailboat--then its line.

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 
(presently in Baltimore)
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> APS is having their annual January sale, but this year it is 25% off all 
> line, not just custom work.
> 
> You can satisfy your fetish at a discount!
> 
> Joel
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> "Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
>> *Line*, please!
>> 
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>> Newport, RI
>> 
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
>> 
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>> 
>> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
APS is having their annual January sale, but this year it is 25% off
*all *line,
not just custom work.

You can satisfy your fetish at a discount!

Joel

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
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> "Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
> *Line*, please!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> Newport, RI
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!
>
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Rope is for cowboys.

VBG

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016, 4:44 PM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> "Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
> *Line*, please!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
> Newport, RI
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
"Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!"
*Line*, please!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
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> Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!

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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List 


Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 15:44, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> "spending an extra 10% on a sheet or halyard is good insurance against having 
> to replace it entirely."   Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!
> 
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 
> (presently in Baltimore)
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> 
> "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
> messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> spending an extra 10% on a sheet or halyard is good insurance against having 
>> to replace it entirely.
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
"spending an extra 10% on a sheet or halyard is good insurance against having 
to replace it entirely."   Unless you are like me and have a rope fetish!

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 
(presently in Baltimore)
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> spending an extra 10% on a sheet or halyard is good insurance against having 
> to replace it entirely.
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Re: Stus-List Was Jib sheet - now buying sheets and halyards

2016-01-07 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
I really don't get why owners don't buy extra length when getting new
sheets and halyards.  The extra line in a cockpit isn't usually a big deal
if you have sheet bags.

Just like Joel says, you can cut some off the sheet to move the wear
points.

When I bought my latest set of jib sheets, I bought extra length and had
eyes put on each end.  I use soft shackles so I need eyes.  I can end for
end it if it is damaged near an end.

I had bought extra length on a spin halyard.  When it got damaged near the
shackle end, I pulled it, cut off the damaged portion, put an eye in the
other end and re-used it.  Saved me $100 bucks for a new halyard.

You can put an eye splice in a line as long as it hasn't been loaded.  Once
it's loaded, it is difficult to make the eye.

Generally, you can't put eyes on both ends of a halyard because the eye
often won't pass through the masthead sheaves.

IMHO, spending an extra 10% on a sheet or halyard is good insurance against
having to replace it entirely.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I use 7/16 Sta-Set on my 35/3.  These is some stretch when close hauled,
> but a click or two on the winch once the sail is loaded takes care of it.
>
> Most of the wear comes from where the line goes around the winch when
> close hauled.  With separate sheets you can reverse the sheets when they
> wear.  Buy them 5 feet longer and you can cut off a couple feet and extend
> the life even more.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
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