Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Anne Tichborne via CnC-List]

Yes! Having torn my rotator cuff pulling anchors. Not retrieving the anchor
quickly enough using our old manual windlass; all the while breaking a boat
pole to fend off a boat dragging into me, middle of the nightI've never
looked back!
I've glassed in the wind lass below deck, I feel best way! Also installed a
cleat aft of the chain/wind lass then always use a snubber system.
Hope this helps
Formerly
C 34
sv Truancy



On Tue., Aug. 18, 2020, 16:47 Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Edd,
>
> Although nothing resembling an engineer or fiberglass expert, I
> constructed a 1/4” G10 shelf with a 4” x 4” box section underneath it and
> glassed the entire unit to the hull sides and the anchor locker bulkhead
> with bracing.
>
> I agree with Tom’s recommendation.
>
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
>
> On Aug 18, 2020, at 7:19 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Edd
>
> You really need to glass in a shelf with sufficient strength to withstand
> the torque and pressure exerted when lifting the anchor an chain.  IMO a
> bolted shelf is not going to do it.
>
> Also, keep in mind that the little arm that rests on the chain/rode sticks
> up about 3/4 in.  You'll want  to mount the windlass as high as possible to
> make the chain pull angle as horizontal as possible.  However, if you just
> use the height of the windlass without taking that additional height into
> account you can't close that hatch to the chain locker.  (Do not ask how I
> know that)
>
> You will love it...a decent windlass changes everything.
>
> Tom B
>
> ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
>
>
> At 01:15 PM 8/18/2020, you wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:30:03 -0400
> From: Edd Schillay 
> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> Subject: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+
> Message-ID: <4c246959-89e2-418f-8c0f-991045bcb...@schillay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Listers,
>
> As you may remember, I?m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass
> to my 37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go
> with:
>
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 <
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164>
>
> For mounting, I think I?m going to create a hanging shelf inside the
> anchor locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft
> most lip that the hatch rests upon when closed.
>
> Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log < http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
>
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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Edd,

Although nothing resembling an engineer or fiberglass expert, I constructed a 
1/4” G10 shelf with a 4” x 4” box section underneath it and glassed the entire 
unit to the hull sides and the anchor locker bulkhead with bracing.

I agree with Tom’s recommendation.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 7:19 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Edd
> 
> You really need to glass in a shelf with sufficient strength to withstand the 
> torque and pressure exerted when lifting the anchor an chain.  IMO a bolted 
> shelf is not going to do it.
> 
> Also, keep in mind that the little arm that rests on the chain/rode sticks up 
> about 3/4 in.  You'll want  to mount the windlass as high as possible to make 
> the chain pull angle as horizontal as possible.  However, if you just use the 
> height of the windlass without taking that additional height into account you 
> can't close that hatch to the chain locker.  (Do not ask how I know that)
> 
> You will love it...a decent windlass changes everything.
> 
> Tom B
> 
> ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com <http://www.sv-alera.com/> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 01:15 PM 8/18/2020, you wrote:
> 
> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:30:03 -0400
>> From: Edd Schillay 
>> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>> Subject: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+
>> Message-ID: <4c246959-89e2-418f-8c0f-991045bcb...@schillay.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Listers,
>> 
>> As you may remember, I?m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass to 
>> my 37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go 
>> with:
>> 
>> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 
>> <https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164> < 
>> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 
>> <https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164>> 
>> 
>> For mounting, I think I?m going to create a hanging shelf inside the anchor 
>> locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft most lip 
>> that the hatch rests upon when closed. 
>> 
>> Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?  
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Edd
>> 
>> 
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>> 
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log < http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ 
>> <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>>
>> 
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Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Edd

You really need to glass in a shelf with 
sufficient strength to withstand the torque and 
pressure exerted when lifting the anchor an 
chain.  IMO a bolted shelf is not going to do it.


Also, keep in mind that the little arm that rests 
on the chain/rode sticks up about 3/4 in.  You'll 
want  to mount the windlass as high as possible 
to make the chain pull angle as horizontal as 
possible.  However, if you just use the height of 
the windlass without taking that additional 
height into account you can't close that hatch to 
the chain locker.  (Do not ask how I know that)


You will love it...a decent windlass changes everything.

Tom B


¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



At 01:15 PM 8/18/2020, you wrote:


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:30:03 -0400
From: Edd Schillay 
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Subject: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+
Message-ID: <4c246959-89e2-418f-8c0f-991045bcb...@schillay.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Listers,

As you may remember, I?m close to a decision on 
adding an anchor windlass to my 37+ C, and, 
based on my research, I think this may be the one to go with:


https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 
<https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164>


For mounting, I think I?m going to create a 
hanging shelf inside the anchor locker that is 
attached by several bolts to the starboard and 
aft most lip that the hatch rests upon when closed.


Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>



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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Edd,

Mounted my Lewmar horizontal windlass on a custom structural ledge underneath 
the hatch cover. Chain drop into the deepest section of the anchor locker, FWIW.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Aug 18, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> As you may remember, I’m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass to 
> my 37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go with:
> 
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 
>  
> 
> For mounting, I think I’m going to create a hanging shelf inside the anchor 
> locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft most lip 
> that the hatch rests upon when closed. 
> 
> Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?  
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

After seeing a 37 come into the yard I work at, I am more firmly in the
camp that the windlass should be mounted sub-deck.

This boat had the windlass mounted forward of the hatch, which provides the
ultimate in lack of drop for the chain fall, whoever thought this was a
good idea ever considered this.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020, 11:30 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> As you may remember, I’m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass
> to my 37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go
> with:
>
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164
>
> For mounting, I think I’m going to create a hanging shelf inside the
> anchor locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft
> most lip that the hatch rests upon when closed.
>
> Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

As you may remember, I’m close to a decision on adding an anchor windlass to my 
37+ C, and, based on my research, I think this may be the one to go with:

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1=4119164 
 

For mounting, I think I’m going to create a hanging shelf inside the anchor 
locker that is attached by several bolts to the starboard and aft most lip that 
the hatch rests upon when closed. 

Good plan? Reconsider? Better ideas?  

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass - 37+

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Tom,

Thanks so much! 

All the best, 

Edd

———-
Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
www.StarshipSailing.com
———-
914.774.9767   | Mobile
———-
Sent via iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone. iTypos. iApologize


On Jun 2, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Edd

https://flic.kr/p/pHsMrg

https://flic.kr/p/pHpcfi

Quick Genius Windlass w 150' Chain and 200" rode.

I installed it with my checkbook when we relocated Alera to the PNW,

NOTE - Make sure to measure the clearance to the hatch with the chain or rode 
in due to the lifting of the rider thingie.

Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com

At 11:49 AM 6/2/2020, you wrote:

> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:48:38 -0400
> From: Edd Schillay 
> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> Subject: Stus-List Anchor Windlass - 37+
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Long ago, in the beforetime, there was a posting by a C?er who installed a 
> shelf and windless inside his anchor locker - and I think it was on a 37+, 
> though not positive about the boat. 
> 
> Would love to see photos and info about installation, materials and windless 
> used. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log < http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>
 


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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass - 37+

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

I did it on my 35-3, I'll shoot you some pics.  Scarfed in an oak 
cross-beam and glassed that to the sides of the hull, and fastened an 
aluminum bracket to that.  9 years ago, still happy.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2020-06-02 3:48 p.m., Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

Listers,

Long ago, in the beforetime, there was a posting by a C’er who 
installed a shelf and windless inside his anchor locker - and I think 
it was on a 37+, though not positive about the boat.


Would love to see photos and info about installation, materials and 
windless used.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 






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Stus-List Anchor Windlass - 37+

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Edd

https://flic.kr/p/pHsMrg

https://flic.kr/p/pHpcfi

Quick Genius Windlass w 150' Chain and 200" rode.

I installed it with my checkbook when we relocated Alera to the PNW,

NOTE - Make sure to measure the clearance to the hatch with the chain 
or rode in due to the lifting of the rider thingie.


Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com

At 11:49 AM 6/2/2020, you wrote:


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:48:38 -0400
From: Edd Schillay 
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Subject: Stus-List Anchor Windlass - 37+
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Listers,

Long ago, in the beforetime, there was a posting by a C?er who 
installed a shelf and windless inside his anchor locker - and I 
think it was on a 37+, though not positive about the boat.


Would love to see photos and info about installation, materials and 
windless used.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>





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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass - 37+

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Edd, might have been me. Others have done this too. Photo on the way so you can 
verify.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Jun 2, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Long ago, in the beforetime, there was a posting by a C’er who installed a 
> shelf and windless inside his anchor locker - and I think it was on a 37+, 
> though not positive about the boat. 
> 
> Would love to see photos and info about installation, materials and windless 
> used. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
> 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Anchor Windlass - 37+

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Long ago, in the beforetime, there was a posting by a C’er who installed a 
shelf and windless inside his anchor locker - and I think it was on a 37+, 
though not positive about the boat. 

Would love to see photos and info about installation, materials and windless 
used. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











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Re: Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?

[Adrian Humphreys via CnC-List]

Dave: 

Thanks for the pic.
 
I think that is a Muir VM500 windlass, one of the few that discharges rode 
directly on deck and does not need be directly over the chain locker. In that 
install, is the rode all chain, or rope/chain?

I immediately noticed that bow casting has the anchor roller offset to 
starboard, and includes a keeper bar. What model is that vessel? My roller is 
dead center, no keeper.

Adrian Humphreys
Epilogue, Rockport ME
C 33-2 
adri...@telamontech.com




> On Sep 28, 2019, at 9:44 PM, Dave S  wrote:
> 
>   Adrian - see blog post and pic here.
> 
> https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2019/09/anchor-handling-some-improvement.html
>   
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Adrian Humphreys 
> To: Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:03:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?
> We have a 25# CQR, 25' of chain, and 200' of 3-strand nylon.
> 
> Getting the nylon up is not a big problem even at 74 yrs, but the chain as 
> Dave points out, besides being hard to handle manually, will hop the 
> centerline roller, then grind against the pulpit and/or the roller furler 
> drum because of the awkward lead as you pull on the chain.
> 
> I am thinking to at least install a separate overhanging anchor roller, 
> offset one side of the headstay, to improve the lead of the rode, and house 
> the anchor once under weigh. The CQR is a tight fit in the anchor locker, and 
> brings a ton of mud aboard even when bucket-washed. 
> 
> There is very little room to install a windlass on the 33, both on deck and 
> below (for the vertical axis motor), but the nice thing would be the chain 
> gypsy to pull that last 25' of chain rode. I am looking at a hand crank Muir 
> VM500  but how to discharge the rode into the anchor locker? Also it looks 
> like Muir windlass cranks in one direction only, so you would need enough 
> room to make complete circles with a winch handle. Better if you could 
> free-ratchet back, then pull (or push) for power.
> 
> Dave, pictures of your neighbor's installation would be most welcome.
> 
> 
> Adrian Humphreys
> Epilogue, Rockport ME
> C 33-2 
> adri...@telamontech.com
> 


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Re: Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?

[G Collins via CnC-List]

I put a windlass on Secret Plans 7 years ago and have loved it ever since - 
makes anchoring so much easier that it isn't thought of as a hassle.  I glassed 
a beam into the back of the anchor locker, fastened an aluminum bracket to it, 
and attached to the windlass to that - so it is not above deck at all.

I'm running rope plus 65 ft chain and a 15kg Rocna.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2019-09-29 1:45 p.m., Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List wrote:
I’ve been toying with the idea of installing an electric windlass on my C 
too.

Options I’ve been considering:

1. Install a custom made aluminum (or fibreglass) hatch like this
https://youtu.be/2dgzGSks62A

2. Glass a shelf into the locker

3. Cut existing hatch and fortify portion for windlass install

For number 2, not sure there is enough room in the locker.

Other than the cost and effort, another negative for a windlasses is the 
possibility for corrosion an break down.

Hauling the 15kg Bruce + 10m of heavy chain is do-able but not ideal especially 
in deep, windy, tight spaces.  Recently reducing the chain from 20m to 10m has 
made it a bit better

Cheers,

Jeremy
  C



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Re: Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

I’ve been toying with the idea of installing an electric windlass on my
C too.

Options I’ve been considering:

1. Install a custom made aluminum (or fibreglass) hatch like this
https://youtu.be/2dgzGSks62A

2. Glass a shelf into the locker

3. Cut existing hatch and fortify portion for windlass install

For number 2, not sure there is enough room in the locker.

Other than the cost and effort, another negative for a windlasses is the
possibility for corrosion an break down.

Hauling the 15kg Bruce + 10m of heavy chain is do-able but not ideal
especially in deep, windy, tight spaces.  Recently reducing the chain from
20m to 10m has made it a bit better

Cheers,

Jeremy
  C
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Re: Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

  Adrian - see blog post and pic here.

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2019/09/anchor-handling-some-improvement.html


Dave.




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From: Adrian Humphreys 
To: Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:03:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?
We have a 25# CQR, 25' of chain, and 200' of 3-strand nylon.

Getting the nylon up is not a big problem even at 74 yrs, but the chain as
Dave points out, besides being hard to handle manually, will hop the
centerline roller, then grind against the pulpit and/or the roller furler
drum because of the awkward lead as you pull on the chain.

I am thinking to at least install a separate overhanging anchor roller,
offset one side of the headstay, to improve the lead of the rode, and house
the anchor once under weigh. The CQR is a tight fit in the anchor locker,
and brings a ton of mud aboard even when bucket-washed.

There is very little room to install a windlass on the 33, both on deck and
below (for the vertical axis motor), but the nice thing would be the chain
gypsy to pull that last 25' of chain rode. I am looking at a hand crank
Muir VM500
<https://www.fisheriessupply.com/muir-easyweigh-500-manual-low-profile-mvm500>
but how to discharge the rode into the anchor locker? Also it looks like
Muir windlass cranks in one direction only, so you would need enough room
to make complete circles with a winch handle. Better if you could
free-ratchet back, then pull (or push) for power.

Dave, pictures of your neighbor's installation would be most welcome.


Adrian Humphreys
Epilogue, Rockport ME
C 33-2
adri...@telamontech.com
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Re: Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?

[Adrian Humphreys via CnC-List]

We have a 25# CQR, 25' of chain, and 200' of 3-strand nylon.

Getting the nylon up is not a big problem even at 74 yrs, but the chain as Dave 
points out, besides being hard to handle manually, will hop the centerline 
roller, then grind against the pulpit and/or the roller furler drum because of 
the awkward lead as you pull on the chain.

I am thinking to at least install a separate overhanging anchor roller, offset 
one side of the headstay, to improve the lead of the rode, and house the anchor 
once under weigh. The CQR is a tight fit in the anchor locker, and brings a ton 
of mud aboard even when bucket-washed. 

There is very little room to install a windlass on the 33, both on deck and 
below (for the vertical axis motor), but the nice thing would be the chain 
gypsy to pull that last 25' of chain rode. I am looking at a hand crank Muir 
VM500 
  
but how to discharge the rode into the anchor locker? Also it looks like Muir 
windlass cranks in one direction only, so you would need enough room to make 
complete circles with a winch handle. Better if you could free-ratchet back, 
then pull (or push) for power.

Dave, pictures of your neighbor's installation would be most welcome.


Adrian Humphreys
Epilogue, Rockport ME
C 33-2 
adri...@telamontech.com




> On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Adrian Humphreys via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone installed an anchor windlass on a 33-2?
> 
> How did you?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adrian Humphreys
> Epilogue, Rockport ME
> C 33-2 
> adri...@telamontech.com
> 
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Re: Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Choose your anchor carefully. I have a 15 Kg Bruce knock off and about 60
feet of 5/16 anchor chain and that’s really all I want to haul by hand at
68. That anchor has never slipped and others have felt comfortable to raft
up alongside over night. I wear thick rubber gloves to retrieve my anchor.
Sometimes the anchor holds too hard to break free by hand so then I tie off
on a cleat and use engine power to break it free. That vertical windlass
you refer to is called a capstan. So far I have resisted installing a
windlass on my 35MKII mainly because of the cost and work involved. Maybe a
smallish say 10 Kg Rocna anchor would be better

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 8:50 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I see no response yet, and have until recently (just turned 56) felt
> that the 33-2 was really too small to warrant a windlass.   Am now on the
> fence.   Also noticed a 32 at my marina with what appear to be a tidy
> installation of a vertical windlass.  (Adrian, will try to get some pics.)
>  Would like to ask/add a related question - has anyone improved anchor
> handling in general?   Am happy that the 33-2 has a roller and chain
> locker, however I had some excitement this season hand-retrieving 50’ of
> fully extendedchain in a stiff breeze and chop.  The line then later the
> chain hopped off the roller and slammed/wedged into the pulpit stanchion
> base as the boat sheered and bobbed about - very exciting and extremely
> strenuous for a solo sailor.   (With little sea room astern, but that’s a
> seamanship issue).
> No bail on the roller, and the poor lead from hand-hauling didn’t help.
> Really, a short sprit plus the parallel-to-deck lead for the chain afforded
> by a windlass would be ideal,  but that feels like a lot of infrastructure
> for a small lightweight boat.  Any thoughts?
>
> Dave
>
> Windstar 33-2
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Adrian Humphreys 
> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone installed an anchor windlass on a 33-2?
> >
> > How did you?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Adrian Humphreys
> > Epilogue, Rockport ME
> > C 33-2
> > adri...@telamontech.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

I see no response yet, and have until recently (just turned 56) felt that 
the 33-2 was really too small to warrant a windlass.   Am now on the fence.   
Also noticed a 32 at my marina with what appear to be a tidy installation of a 
vertical windlass.  (Adrian, will try to get some pics.)
 Would like to ask/add a related question - has anyone improved anchor handling 
in general?   Am happy that the 33-2 has a roller and chain locker, however I 
had some excitement this season hand-retrieving 50’ of fully extendedchain in a 
stiff breeze and chop.  The line then later the chain hopped off the roller and 
slammed/wedged into the pulpit stanchion base as the boat sheered and bobbed 
about - very exciting and extremely strenuous for a solo sailor.   (With little 
sea room astern, but that’s a seamanship issue). 
No bail on the roller, and the poor lead from hand-hauling didn’t help. Really, 
a short sprit plus the parallel-to-deck lead for the chain afforded by a 
windlass would be ideal,  but that feels like a lot of infrastructure for a 
small lightweight boat.  Any thoughts?

Dave

Windstar 33-2

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Adrian Humphreys  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone installed an anchor windlass on a 33-2?
> 
> How did you?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adrian Humphreys
> Epilogue, Rockport ME
> C 33-2 
> adri...@telamontech.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Anchor windlass on CnC33-2 ?

[Adrian Humphreys via CnC-List]

Anyone installed an anchor windlass on a 33-2?

How did you?

Thanks,

Adrian Humphreys
Epilogue, Rockport ME
C 33-2 
adri...@telamontech.com





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Stus-List anchor windlass

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

Would love some pictures of install of eindlass on a 36-1.
Bill Walker
Pentwater, Mi.
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Stus-List Anchor windlass C 35 MK II

[Greg Swetka via CnC-List]

I am having a new stemhead fitting with bow roller fabricated this winter
for Piper. My next step, is looking into a windlass for Piper, as the new
anchor that I purchased is a 35lb Lewmar Delta and I'm not as young as I
used to be. I really like the looks of the low profile Lewmar windlasses but
am not sure if they will work with my mostly rope (with 10' of chain at the
end). Do any listers have experience with installing windlasses on one of
these older 35's? Btw, Piper does not have a deck hatch for the anchor rode,
the rode just enter the bow anchor rode locker through a dorade vent at the
aft end of the locker.

 

Greg Swetka

583 Barrington

Grosse Pointe Park, MI 48230

Ph: 313-207-7704 (mobile)

Email: swe...@att.net

S.V. Piper C 35mkII

 

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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Hi all; I hope everyone had a great New Years! I am looking for feedback on an 
anchor windlass; my boat, (1985 CC 37, CB, new to me last year) came with an 
older model Powerwinch 502 unit, ( not to be confused with the current 
Powerwinch 500 which is for pontoon boats); I have little experience with 
windlasses, all of my prior boats were easy enough to haul the anchor by hand.

This unit is mounted on a heavy stainless bracket and appears to be appropriate 
size for the boat; however, it does not work and so far I haven't been able to 
determine whether it is an electrical issue or a mechanical issue; my question 
is; given the age of this unit, should I bother at all?  The advertised 
comparable Powerwinch units are in the $600-700 range and I am thinking that in 
the future, parts availability and reliability will be more important than 
saving a few buck now...so please let me know your thoughts, and if you think 
replacement is warranted, what would you recommend?   If this unit is worth 
keeping, what would you recommend troubleshooting-wise?
 
Many thanks..

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River; Mile 596

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 





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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Calypso has a Lewmar Ocean windlass, #2 size IIRC.  I went oversized to handle 
a 65lb CQR and 90' of chain.  It has served well with some heavy use for 14 
years.  I now have the gear box off the boat for re-painting and have not seen 
any mechanical wear.



Martin

Calypso

1971 CC 43

Seattle


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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:07 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass

Hi all; I hope everyone had a great New Years! I am looking for feedback on an 
anchor windlass; my boat, (1985 CC 37, CB, new to me last year) came with an 
older model Powerwinch 502 unit, ( not to be confused with the current 
Powerwinch 500 which is for pontoon boats); I have little experience with 
windlasses, all of my prior boats were easy enough to haul the anchor by hand.

This unit is mounted on a heavy stainless bracket and appears to be appropriate 
size for the boat; however, it does not work and so far I haven't been able to 
determine whether it is an electrical issue or a mechanical issue; my question 
is; given the age of this unit, should I bother at all?  The advertised 
comparable Powerwinch units are in the $600-700 range and I am thinking that in 
the future, parts availability and reliability will be more important than 
saving a few buck now...so please let me know your thoughts, and if you think 
replacement is warranted, what would you recommend?   If this unit is worth 
keeping, what would you recommend troubleshooting-wise?

Many thanks..
Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River; Mile 596
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255





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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Powerwinch is not a brand I would have on my boat, when I sold them at WM
we got at least half returned because they didn't run, right out of the
box. I wouldn't waste my time with it. Put in a good windlass and be done
with it.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
CC 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 3 January 2015 at 07:44, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 How much chain and rode do you have?  I haul my 37+ by hand.  It isn't
 easy but I do it regularly.  Have you ever tried?  How much anchoring do
 you intend to do?  I bought a manual windlass but haven't installed it.  It
 works similar to a vertical electric windlass just without the motor
 sticking out the bottom and you attach a winch handle in the top.
 Clockwise ratchets the anchor in, counterclockwise loosens the clutch and
 plays out the anchor.  Fabricating a mount is really my only hold up, that
 and the fact that I can haul it by hand.

 Troubleshooting yours should be easy.  The motor works with 12v forward
 and reverse polarity to change direction.  A solinoid is used in line to
 carry the high current instead of the push button.  An easy go, no-go test
 would be to disconnect the motor connections and jumper a portable 12v
 battery momentarily to the motor terminals.  If it moves then the windlass
 is probably good and not the problem.  If it doesn't move then I would
 remove the motor and perform motor troubleshooting such as brushes, winding
 resistance, and hand rotation.  Rewinds are cost effective.  Brushes are
 cheap.  If it is bound mechanical then you may have to replace the motor.

 With the motor off try to drive the windlass to ensure it is not bound.
 Disassemble and repair as necessary.

 Troubleshoot the electrical.  Heavy gauge wire is required and corrosion
 at any or all of the terminals could easily be causing you problems.  A bad
 switch or a bad solinoid are also well within the relm of possibilities.

 Your concerns about parts and repairs is warranted but you will experience
 the same challenges from a new replacement which is why I have chosen a
 manual windlass and even hesitate to install it.

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 CC 37+
 Solomons, MD
 On Jan 3, 2015 10:07 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Hi all; I hope everyone had a great New Years! I am looking for feedback
 on an anchor windlass; my boat, (1985 CC 37, CB, new to me last year) came
 with an older model Powerwinch 502 unit, ( not to be confused with the
 current Powerwinch 500 which is for pontoon boats); I have little
 experience with windlasses, all of my prior boats were easy enough to haul
 the anchor by hand.

 This unit is mounted on a heavy stainless bracket and appears to be
 appropriate size for the boat; however, it does not work and so far I
 haven't been able to determine whether it is an electrical issue or a
 mechanical issue; my question is; given the age of this unit, should I
 bother at all?  The advertised comparable Powerwinch units are in the
 $600-700 range and I am thinking that in the future, parts availability and
 reliability will be more important than saving a few buck now...so please
 let me know your thoughts, and if you think replacement is warranted, what
 would you recommend?   If this unit is worth keeping, what would you
 recommend troubleshooting-wise?

 Many thanks..
  Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River; Mile 596
  Richard N. Bush
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

The decision is really based on your wallet and how much anchoring you plan to 
do.  In the past, I’ve used Lofrans, Maxwell and Lewmar verticals and have had 
good luck with all on combination rodes.  Muir is likely excellent as well.  
For all chain nothing beats the Maxwell although the Lofrans held up well.  Of 
the various units I’ve used my favorite is still the Lewmar but all three were 
excellent.  You tend to get what you pay for in a windlass as there is so much 
good competition out there.  Can’t offer any advice on horizontal units.

John

On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:

 Calypso has a Lewmar Ocean windlass, #2 size IIRC.  I went oversized to 
 handle a 65lb CQR and 90' of chain.  It has served well with some heavy use 
 for 14 years.  I now have the gear box off the boat for re-painting and have 
 not seen any mechanical wear.
  
 Martin
 Calypso
 1971 CC 43
 Seattle
 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Richard N. Bush 
 via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
 Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:07 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass
 
 Hi all; I hope everyone had a great New Years! I am looking for feedback on 
 an anchor windlass; my boat, (1985 CC 37, CB, new to me last year) came with 
 an older model Powerwinch 502 unit, ( not to be confused with the current 
 Powerwinch 500 which is for pontoon boats); I have little experience with 
 windlasses, all of my prior boats were easy enough to haul the anchor by hand.
  
 This unit is mounted on a heavy stainless bracket and appears to be 
 appropriate size for the boat; however, it does not work and so far I haven't 
 been able to determine whether it is an electrical issue or a mechanical 
 issue; my question is; given the age of this unit, should I bother at all?  
 The advertised comparable Powerwinch units are in the $600-700 range and I am 
 thinking that in the future, parts availability and reliability will be more 
 important than saving a few buck now...so please let me know your thoughts, 
 and if you think replacement is warranted, what would you recommend?   If 
 this unit is worth keeping, what would you recommend troubleshooting-wise?
  
 Many thanks..
 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River; Mile 596
 Richard N. Bush 
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
 502-584-7255
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Anchor Windlass

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Richard,

This could be the proverbial can of worms for you.  Josh has given you some 
good tips on troubleshooting. 

Keep in mind that if you have an all chain rode any windlass replacement may 
include new chain if you can't find a gypsy to match your chain. Chain ain't 
cheap.

Dennis C.



Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 3, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Hi all; I hope everyone had a great New Years! I am looking for feedback on 
 an anchor windlass; my boat, (1985 CC 37, CB, new to me last year) came with 
 an older model Powerwinch 502 unit, ( not to be confused with the current 
 Powerwinch 500 which is for pontoon boats); I have little experience with 
 windlasses, all of my prior boats were easy enough to haul the anchor by hand.
  
 This unit is mounted on a heavy stainless bracket and appears to be 
 appropriate size for the boat; however, it does not work and so far I haven't 
 been able to determine whether it is an electrical issue or a mechanical 
 issue; my question is; given the age of this unit, should I bother at all?  
 The advertised comparable Powerwinch units are in the $600-700 range and I am 
 thinking that in the future, parts availability and reliability will be more 
 important than saving a few buck now...so please let me know your thoughts, 
 and if you think replacement is warranted, what would you recommend?   If 
 this unit is worth keeping, what would you recommend troubleshooting-wise?
  
 Many thanks..
 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River; Mile 596
 Richard N. Bush 
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
 502-584-7255
  
  
 
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