Stus-List more atomic 4 issues..
Danny: While not A4 specific, these examples might help solve your engine problem. A fellow CC lister had a CC 24 with an inboard Volvo Penta gas engine..the engine simply would not start, or stay started, with anything but Volvo Penta spark plugs. He can chime in and tell you the story. I have an old (est. 50 years) Lawn Boy lawn mower.for years, it started the first pull but after it ran for a while and you shut it off, it would not restart. Replaced the coil, problem solved. Keep working at it, you will find the problem. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny Haughey via CnC-List *Sent:* August 13, 2014 12:33 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ok more atomic 4 issues...dammit! Alright, the saga continues. We went for a sea trial Sunday after the changes, i.e. Vent line cleared, filters changed, clamps tightened. The engine ran great all the way to Cuttyhunk. I probably ran it about 3 hours. Two of those hours I ran it a little harder than I normally do after having read Don M's reasons for having black sooty spark plugs. I thought my problems were solved. On our way home from cuttyhunk, We motored out the harbor and decided that, because the wind was a little light, we would motor home to run the engine some more. 50 minutes into our ride home, the same thing, only a bit slower. the whole, slow, stall happened over maybe a minute or two. Some sputter, then run normal, a little more sputter, then normal and then a slow stall. We then sailed home and into the mooring field. This is actually a benefit of the engine troubles, I've been a bit intimidated about sailing onto the mouth of the river due to the current and very tight channel flanked by shoals and some pretty ominous looking rocks. I've now had to sail into the harbor twice over this last weekend. At one point we were probably doing 4 or 4.5knts through the water but only 1 to 1.5knts over the ground fighting that current. On one side of the boat it a big, rocky cliff and the other shoal. it was a little adrenalin pumping! Anyway, the approach to our mooring was dead, head to wind, along with the current in the same direction, I lost forward motion under sail and started the engine. She started right up and we motored onto the mooring without incident. So, safely moored, I pulled the vent tube, it was clear. I then went below and pulled a spark plug and it was all black and sooty again after maybe 4 hours running time. I used the Moyer rebuild kit on the carb that is on there now. I'm not sure but, I think I changed the main jet to the moyer recomended one at that time. I think it came with the rebuild kit. My earlier idling issues seemed to have been solved by swapping out the carb that came with the exchange engine for the one I rebuilt off the original engine and had just sitting around as a spare. I think what I would like to do now is, clean up the carb that came with the exchange engine. and swap them back out. I'll then replace the plugs and run it some more. Unless you guys think I should maybe try another path forward. Danny P.S. Cuttyhunk was Amazing! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/8000 - Release Date: 08/07/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues..
Okay, Given all the discussion, I've decided the next step, as it is really the only thing I did not replace, is to buy a 5 gal outboard engine gas can and run the engine with a brand new gas can and brand new gas. My gut is leading me back to the tank and the pickup tube. I think this will eliminate the entire existing gas system and either show me the light or eliminate it from the investigation. Of course, I won't be able to test it all out until Saturday. If the Gas can does not do the trick, I'll swap the carburetor again... I'll go home and clean that up tonight so I have it at the ready. So, should I, if the gas can does not prove to be the issue, continue on the 5 gal OB tank and swap the carb or go back to the existing tank before swapping out the carburetor? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues.. Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:20:41 -0300 Danny: While not A4 specific, these examples might help solve your engine problem. A fellow CC lister had a CC 24 with an inboard Volvo Penta gas engine..the engine simply would not start, or stay started, with anything but Volvo Penta spark plugs. He can chime in and tell you the story. I have an old (est. 50 years) Lawn Boy lawn mower.for years, it started the first pull but after it ran for a while and you shut it off, it would not restart. Replaced the coil, problem solved. Keep working at it, you will find the problem. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: August 13, 2014 12:33 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ok more atomic 4 issues...dammit! Alright, the saga continues. We went for a sea trial Sunday after the changes, i.e. Vent line cleared, filters changed, clamps tightened. The engine ran great all the way to Cuttyhunk. I probably ran it about 3 hours. Two of those hours I ran it a little harder than I normally do after having read Don M's reasons for having black sooty spark plugs. I thought my problems were solved. On our way home from cuttyhunk, We motored out the harbor and decided that, because the wind was a little light, we would motor home to run the engine some more. 50 minutes into our ride home, the same thing, only a bit slower. the whole, slow, stall happened over maybe a minute or two. Some sputter, then run normal, a little more sputter, then normal and then a slow stall. We then sailed home and into the mooring field. This is actually a benefit of the engine troubles, I've been a bit intimidated about sailing onto the mouth of the river due to the current and very tight channel flanked by shoals and some pretty ominous looking rocks. I've now had to sail into the harbor twice over this last weekend. At one point we were probably doing 4 or 4.5knts through the water but only 1 to 1.5knts over the ground fighting that current. On one side of the boat it a big, rocky cliff and the other shoal. it was a little adrenalin pumping! Anyway, the approach to our mooring was dead, head to wind, along with the current in the same direction, I lost forward motion under sail and started the engine. She started right up and we motored onto the mooring without incident. So, safely moored, I pulled the vent tube, it was clear. I then went below and pulled a spark plug and it was all black and sooty again after maybe 4 hours running time. I used the Moyer rebuild kit on the carb that is on there now. I'm not sure but, I think I changed the main jet to the moyer recomended one at that time. I think it came with the rebuild kit. My earlier idling issues seemed to have been solved by swapping out the carb that came with the exchange engine for the one I rebuilt off the original engine and had just sitting around as a spare. I think what I would like to do now is, clean up the carb that came with the exchange engine. and swap them back out. I'll then replace the plugs and run it some more. Unless you guys think I should maybe try another path forward. Danny P.S. Cuttyhunk was Amazing! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/8000 - Release Date: 08/07/14 ___This List is provided by the CC Photo AlbumEmail address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues..
Danny, I had a similar issue with my A4 a couple of years ago. I felt that the issue was an air leak in the fuel system. After checking every connection I could think of, spending money on a mechanic, installing a new, electric fuel pump, etc. I decided to pull the fuel tank. When I took off the pick up fitting and lifted it up, the plastic pick up tube fell off the barbed fitting. 15 cents of the pink teflon tape later and the problem was solved! Chris Price Pradel 35 Mk I - Original Message - From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: robertabb...@eastlink.ca, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:36:31 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues.. Okay, Given all the discussion, I've decided the next step, as it is really the only thing I did not replace, is to buy a 5 gal outboard engine gas can and run the engine with a brand new gas can and brand new gas. My gut is leading me back to the tank and the pickup tube. I think this will eliminate the entire existing gas system and either show me the light or eliminate it from the investigation. Of course, I won't be able to test it all out until Saturday. If the Gas can does not do the trick, I'll swap the carburetor again... I'll go home and clean that up tonight so I have it at the ready. So, should I, if the gas can does not prove to be the issue, continue on the 5 gal OB tank and swap the carb or go back to the existing tank before swapping out the carburetor? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues.. Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:20:41 -0300 Danny: While not A4 specific, these examples might help solve your engine problem. A fellow CC lister had a CC 24 with an inboard Volvo Penta gas engine..the engine simply would not start, or stay started, with anything but Volvo Penta spark plugs. He can chime in and tell you the story. I have an old (est. 50 years) Lawn Boy lawn mower.for years, it started the first pull but after it ran for a while and you shut it off, it would not restart. Replaced the coil, problem solved. Keep working at it, you will find the problem. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: August 13, 2014 12:33 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ok more atomic 4 issues...dammit! Alright, the saga continues. We went for a sea trial Sunday after the changes, i.e. Vent line cleared, filters changed, clamps tightened. The engine ran great all the way to Cuttyhunk. I probably ran it about 3 hours. Two of those hours I ran it a little harder than I normally do after having read Don M's reasons for having black sooty spark plugs. I thought my problems were solved. On our way home from cuttyhunk, We motored out the harbor and decided that, because the wind was a little light, we would motor home to run the engine some more. 50 minutes into our ride home, the same thing, only a bit slower. the whole, slow, stall happened over maybe a minute or two. Some sputter, then run normal, a little more sputter, then normal and then a slow stall. We then sailed home and into the mooring field. This is actually a benefit of the engine troubles, I've been a bit intimidated about sailing onto the mouth of the river due to the current and very tight channel flanked by shoals and some pretty ominous looking rocks. I've now had to sail into the harbor twice over this last weekend. At one point we were probably doing 4 or 4.5knts through the water but only 1 to 1.5knts over the ground fighting that current. On one side of the boat it a big, rocky cliff and the other shoal. it was a little adrenalin pumping! Anyway, the approach to our mooring was dead, head to wind, along with the current in the same direction, I lost forward motion under sail and started the engine. She started right up and we motored onto the mooring without incident. So, safely moored, I pulled the vent tube, it was clear. I then went below and pulled a spark plug and it was all black and sooty again after maybe 4 hours running time. I used the Moyer rebuild kit on the carb that is on there now. I'm not sure but, I think I changed the main jet to the moyer recomended one at that time. I think it came with the rebuild kit. My earlier idling issues seemed to have been solved by swapping out the carb that came with the exchange engine for the one I rebuilt off the original engine and had just sitting around as a spare. I think what I would like to do now is, clean up the carb that came with the exchange engine. and swap them back out. I'll then replace the plugs and run it some more. Unless you guys think I should maybe try another path forward. Danny P.S. Cuttyhunk
Re: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues..
Danny, In my mind, you have already eliminated the carb as being the primary source of the problem (you have had the same problem with both carbs). my next effort would be to use a 5 gallon OB tank with new plumbing (don't use any of the existing fuel lines or filters) and a clean carb. I'm thinking that the problem is related to gunk in the tank or a problem with the pickup tube. If that doesn't solve the issue then it has to be electrical/ignition. James Delaney 1976 CC 38 Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List To: robertabb...@eastlink.ca ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues.. Okay, Given all the discussion, I've decided the next step, as it is really the only thing I did not replace, is to buy a 5 gal outboard engine gas can and run the engine with a brand new gas can and brand new gas. My gut is leading me back to the tank and the pickup tube. I think this will eliminate the entire existing gas system and either show me the light or eliminate it from the investigation. Of course, I won't be able to test it all out until Saturday. If the Gas can does not do the trick, I'll swap the carburetor again... I'll go home and clean that up tonight so I have it at the ready. So, should I, if the gas can does not prove to be the issue, continue on the 5 gal OB tank and swap the carb or go back to the existing tank before swapping out the carburetor? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues.. Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:20:41 -0300 Danny: While not A4 specific, these examples might help solve your engine problem. A fellow CC lister had a CC 24 with an inboard Volvo Penta gas engine..the engine simply would not start, or stay started, with anything but Volvo Penta spark plugs. He can chime in and tell you the story. I have an old (est. 50 years) Lawn Boy lawn mower.for years, it started the first pull but after it ran for a while and you shut it off, it would not restart. Replaced the coil, problem solved. Keep working at it, you will find the problem. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: August 13, 2014 12:33 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ok more atomic 4 issues...dammit! Alright, the saga continues. We went for a sea trial Sunday after the changes, i.e. Vent line cleared, filters changed, clamps tightened. The engine ran great all the way to Cuttyhunk. I probably ran it about 3 hours. Two of those hours I ran it a little harder than I normally do after having read Don M's reasons for having black sooty spark plugs. I thought my problems were solved. On our way home from cuttyhunk, We motored out the harbor and decided that, because the wind was a little light, we would motor home to run the engine some more. 50 minutes into our ride home, the same thing, only a bit slower. the whole, slow, stall happened over maybe a minute or two. Some sputter, then run normal, a little more sputter, then normal and then a slow stall. We then sailed home and into the mooring field. This is actually a benefit of the engine troubles, I've been a bit intimidated about sailing onto the mouth of the river due to the current and very tight channel flanked by shoals and some pretty ominous looking rocks. I've now had to sail into the harbor twice over this last weekend. At one point we were probably doing 4 or 4.5knts through the water but only 1 to 1.5knts over the ground fighting that current. On one side of the boat it a big, rocky cliff and the other shoal. it was a little adrenalin pumping! Anyway, the approach to our mooring was dead, head to wind, along with the current in the same direction, I lost forward motion under sail and started the engine. She started right up and we motored onto the mooring without incident. So, safely moored, I pulled the vent tube, it was clear. I then went below and pulled a spark plug and it was all black and sooty again after maybe 4 hours running time. I used the Moyer rebuild kit on the carb that is on there now. I'm not sure but, I think I changed the main jet to the moyer recomended one at that time. I think it came with the rebuild kit. My earlier idling issues seemed to have been solved by swapping out the carb that came with the exchange engine for the one I rebuilt off the original engine and had just sitting around as a spare. I think what I would like to do now is, clean up the carb that came with the exchange engine. and swap them back out. I'll
Re: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues.. fuel
Hi Danny, What is your electric fuel pump doing in all of this? is it a pulse type? The reason I ask is after relocating and isolating my pulse style pump I could no longer tell what is was doing, so I moved it back to the under cockpit sole supported location. Here I find it will give me a reassuring pulse (through my feet) like a heartbeat. It beats faster with more load, predictably and will go very fast, more like manic, if there is no fuel... air leaks etc. as it tries to maintain set pressure. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 06:36 AM 14/08/2014, you wrote: Okay, Given all the discussion, I've decided the next step, as it is really the only thing I did not replace, is to buy a 5 gal outboard engine gas can and run the engine with a brand new gas can and brand new gas. My gut is leading me back to the tank and the pickup tube. I think this will eliminate the entire existing gas system and either show me the light or eliminate it from the investigation. Of course, I won't be able to test it all out until Saturday. If the Gas can does not do the trick, I'll swap the carburetor again... I'll go home and clean that up tonight so I have it at the ready. So, should I, if the gas can does not prove to be the issue, continue on the 5 gal OB tank and swap the carb or go back to the existing tank before swapping out the carburetor? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List more atomic 4 issues.. Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:20:41 -0300 Danny: While not A4 specific, these examples might help solve your engine problem. A fellow CC lister had a CC 24 with an inboard Volvo Penta gas engine..the engine simply would not start, or stay started, with anything but Volvo Penta spark plugs. He can chime in and tell you the story. I have an old (est. 50 years) Lawn Boy lawn mower.for years, it started the first pull but after it ran for a while and you shut it off, it would not restart. Replaced the coil, problem solved. Keep working at it, you will find the problem. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: August 13, 2014 12:33 PM To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ok more atomic 4 issues...dammit! Alright, the saga continues. We went for a sea trial Sunday after the changes, i.e. Vent line cleared, filters changed, clamps tightened. The engine ran great all the way to Cuttyhunk. I probably ran it about 3 hours. Two of those hours I ran it a little harder than I normally do after having read Don M's reasons for having black sooty spark plugs. I thought my problems were solved. On our way home from cuttyhunk, We motored out the harbor and decided that, because the wind was a little light, we would motor home to run the engine some more. 50 minutes into our ride home, the same thing, only a bit slower. the whole, slow, stall happened over maybe a minute or two. Some sputter, then run normal, a little more sputter, then normal and then a slow stall. We then sailed home and into the mooring field. This is actually a benefit of the engine troubles, I've been a bit intimidated about sailing onto the mouth of the river due to the current and very tight channel flanked by shoals and some pretty ominous looking rocks. I've now had to sail into the harbor twice over this last weekend. At one point we were probably doing 4 or 4.5knts through the water but only 1 to 1.5knts over the ground fighting that current. On one side of the boat it a big, rocky cliff and the other shoal. it was a little adrenalin pumping! Anyway, the approach to our mooring was dead, head to wind, along with the current in the same direction, I lost forward motion under sail and started the engine. She started right up and we motored onto the mooring without incident. So, safely moored, I pulled the vent tube, it was clear. I then went below and pulled a spark plug and it was all black and sooty again after maybe 4 hours running time. I used the Moyer rebuild kit on the carb that is on there now. I'm not sure but, I think I changed the main jet to the moyer recomended one at that time. I think it came with the rebuild kit. My earlier idling issues seemed to have been solved by swapping out the carb that came with the exchange engine for the one I rebuilt off the original engine and had just sitting around as a spare. I think what I would like to do now is, clean up the carb that came with the exchange engine. and swap them back out. I'll then replace the plugs and run it some more. Unless you guys think I should maybe try another path forward. Danny P.S. Cuttyhunk was Amazing! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http
