Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

Not directly C but prior to my 27-5 I owned a Kirby designed DS-22. The 
transom was cored, rotted and during the replacement process I determined the 
reason to be from stainless screws which had gone through the aluminum cap rail 
down through the core. After 25 or so years the seal had failed on the screws 
and allowed water to run down and get trapped in the core. Next came carpenter 
ants!  I replaced the core from the inside with marine plywood and learned a 
lot about boat construction and fibreglass repair. 
This same boat had some vertical gelcoat cracks at the stress points of the 
hull near the bulkhead. If this had been a cored hull I wonder if those cracks 
would have gone deep enough to cause wet core. 

Brent Driedger
27-5
Lake Winnipeg. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know someone that had to do some core repairs on a C 40. The boat had sat 
> on the hard for years with water in the bilge and the freeze-thaw cycles had 
> cracked the hull from the inside.
> 
> He said it wasn’t a lot of money, just a lot of PITA work under the boat 
> grinding and laminating. Now if you had to pay someone by the hour……OUCH!
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I know someone that had to do some core repairs on a C 40. The boat had sat 
on the hard for years with water in the bilge and the freeze-thaw cycles had 
cracked the hull from the inside.

He said it wasn’t a lot of money, just a lot of PITA work under the boat 
grinding and laminating. Now if you had to pay someone by the hour……OUCH!

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Godwin <dave.god...@me.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

 

If that happened to me I’d be a hater too.

 

I know of a couple, through friends of ours, that bought C 40 hull #1. They 
raced it and spent winters in the Bahamas on it. We spoke with them often as we 
were acquiring our 37 about some of the pros and cons of C’s. As a new C 
owner I was quite concerned about big issues that might surface.

 

They loved their C and had mostly good things to say about it. However, they 
said the deck leaked like a friggin’ rainforest. It was wet mess. Maybe the 
company was rushing to get the boat on the market and to the boat shows and as 
a result of moving fast, corners were cut and fittings not installed to spec. 
Who knows? The good news for them was that C replaced the entire deck.

 

There are a goodly number of 40’s out there that folks are not having problems 
with. I know that about 5 years ago my 37 was given a very thorough moisture 
test, from the inside and the outside and it came up quite dry.

 

I guess that sometimes you get good ones and sometimes you get bad ones.

 

/says Dave as he looks at his 1-year old Ram 1500 EcoDiesel just back in the 
driveway with a new motor, radiator, oil-cooler, heater core, hoses and water 
pump.../

 

Best,

Dave Godwin

1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> 

 

On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I am 
really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase price 
replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who know what 
they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the purchase informed!  
The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the repairers seem to think 
initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, not from outside.  I 
couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used inappropriately to cause the 
damage.

 

Tim

Ex Mojito

C 35-3

 


On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience with 
a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from hardware.  
Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this (and despite 
all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a very few stories 
and have never had any first hand issues with the hull itself.  Curious what 
everyone else’s experience has been.  

 

John

 

 

 

On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Chris, 

C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their fiberglass 
layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra effort and you 
can see that when you start looking at the details. 

You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from internet 
"experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just see us from 
a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  

Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
long long time

Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
owner.. 

Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
France here  <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf> 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf

He's brought it back since.. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 


 

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
>
> I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> and a 1979 C 36. Have

Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Don't get me wrong, we really enjoyed Mojito, and had just upgraded a lot of 
things in anticipation of extended ownership before life took an unexpected 
turn and we went for a more "cruisey" option.  They are great boats.  

We had two areas of core we had to replace in the hull; from the turn of the 
bilge at mid-keel up around 3' on the port side for around 6' fire/aft and a 
smaller area on the starboard side from the middle of the keel forward.

It was my decision what to do with the repair; it probably could have been left 
as it was for many more years of sailing, but I wanted to keep her in good 
shape for the longer term.  As I said, go into the decision fully informed and 
you'll know what to do if the survey shows moisture or rot and to what extent.  
The bilge sump is solid glass -and is another area to check (for evidence of 
any hard groundings).

Thanks,

Tim
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:03 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Tim - Well that’s gotta suc…  If you’re writing the checks you can hate all 
> you want.  Am curious however how much of the issue was in the hull itself.  
> I would have thought most of the bilge sump sections would be areas of solid 
> laminate.
> 
> Sorry to hear of your problems.
> 
> John (not the guy looking at the 35-3)
> 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:
>> 
>> Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I 
>> am really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
>> looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
>> couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase 
>> price replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who 
>> know what they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the 
>> purchase informed!  The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the 
>> repairers seem to think initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, 
>> not from outside.  I couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used 
>> inappropriately to cause the damage.
>> 
>> Tim
>> Ex Mojito
>> C 35-3
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience 
>>> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from 
>>> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about 
>>> this (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only 
>>> recall a very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the 
>>> hull itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.  
>>> 
>>> John
> 
> ___
> 
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions 
> are greatly appreciated!
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

If that happened to me I’d be a hater too.

I know of a couple, through friends of ours, that bought C 40 hull #1. They 
raced it and spent winters in the Bahamas on it. We spoke with them often as we 
were acquiring our 37 about some of the pros and cons of C’s. As a new C 
owner I was quite concerned about big issues that might surface.

They loved their C and had mostly good things to say about it. However, they 
said the deck leaked like a friggin’ rainforest. It was wet mess. Maybe the 
company was rushing to get the boat on the market and to the boat shows and as 
a result of moving fast, corners were cut and fittings not installed to spec. 
Who knows? The good news for them was that C replaced the entire deck.

There are a goodly number of 40’s out there that folks are not having problems 
with. I know that about 5 years ago my 37 was given a very thorough moisture 
test, from the inside and the outside and it came up quite dry.

I guess that sometimes you get good ones and sometimes you get bad ones.

/says Dave as he looks at his 1-year old Ram 1500 EcoDiesel just back in the 
driveway with a new motor, radiator, oil-cooler, heater core, hoses and water 
pump.../

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I 
> am really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
> looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
> couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase price 
> replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who know 
> what they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the purchase 
> informed!  The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the repairers 
> seem to think initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, not from 
> outside.  I couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used 
> inappropriately to cause the damage.
> 
> Tim
> Ex Mojito
> C 35-3
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience 
>> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from 
>> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this 
>> (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a 
>> very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the hull 
>> itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.  
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris, 
>>> 
>>> C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that 
>>> was previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their 
>>> fiberglass layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra 
>>> effort and you can see that when you start looking at the details. 
>>> 
>>> You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from 
>>> internet "experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just 
>>> see us from a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  
>>> 
>>> Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last 
>>> a long long time
>>> 
>>> Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
>>> owner.. 
>>> 
>>> Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
>>> from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
>>> France here http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> He's brought it back since.. 
>>> 
>>> -Francois Rivard
>>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>>> Lake Lanier, GA 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
>>> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
>>> > currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
>>> > and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
>>> > to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
>>> > please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
>>> > 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what 
>>> > others
>>> > have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
>>> > outside of what I?ve noted above.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Many thanks,
>>> > Chris
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Chris Hobson, Owner
>>> > HobsonBuildsCo.com  
>>> > 

Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Tim - Well that’s gotta suc…  If you’re writing the checks you can hate all you 
want.  Am curious however how much of the issue was in the hull itself.  I 
would have thought most of the bilge sump sections would be areas of solid 
laminate.

Sorry to hear of your problems.

John (not the guy looking at the 35-3)


> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:
> 
> Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I 
> am really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
> looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
> couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase price 
> replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who know 
> what they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the purchase 
> informed!  The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the repairers 
> seem to think initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, not from 
> outside.  I couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used 
> inappropriately to cause the damage.
> 
> Tim
> Ex Mojito
> C 35-3
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience 
>> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from 
>> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this 
>> (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a 
>> very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the hull 
>> itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.  
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 

___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I am 
really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase price 
replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who know what 
they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the purchase informed!  
The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the repairers seem to think 
initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, not from outside.  I 
couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used inappropriately to cause the 
damage.

Tim
Ex Mojito
C 35-3


> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience 
> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from 
> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this 
> (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a 
> very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the hull 
> itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.  
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris, 
>> 
>> C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
>> previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their 
>> fiberglass layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra 
>> effort and you can see that when you start looking at the details. 
>> 
>> You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from 
>> internet "experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just 
>> see us from a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  
>> 
>> Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
>> long long time
>> 
>> Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
>> owner.. 
>> 
>> Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
>> from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
>> France here http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf
>> 
>> He's brought it back since.. 
>> 
>> -Francois Rivard
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, GA 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
>> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
>> > currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
>> > and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
>> > to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
>> > please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
>> > 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what others
>> > have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
>> > outside of what I?ve noted above.
>> >
>> >
>> > Many thanks,
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>> > Chris Hobson, Owner
>> > HobsonBuildsCo.com 
>> > ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
>> > 416-436-1037
>> >
>> Regards
>> François Rivard   4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw
>> 
>> Big Data Black Belt   Atlanta, 30327-3015
>> IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales  Usa
>> Mobile:  770-639-0429
>> e-mail:  jfriv...@us.ibm.com 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> 
>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
>> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions 
>> are greatly appreciated!
> 
> ___
> 
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions 
> are greatly appreciated!
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[David via CnC-List]

For a variety of reasons I have never been a big fan of J boats construction...

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:54:07 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List now cored hulls
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: capt...@gmail.com

Friend with a J36 had most of the starboard quarter re-cored.  Not certain but 
I seem to recall he said J Boats left the top of the core exposed.

Might have to pop a cockpit locker and peek at a J Boat or two.  :)

Dennis C.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
J-30’s of the ‘80’s vintage were legendary. There were a number of them around 
here which had the outer skin removed, core replaced, and then were re-glassed. 
Not cheap, but they got thousands of pounds lighter. GarySt. Michaels mdFrom: 
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Pennie via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 3:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Pennie <j...@svpaws.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List now cored hulls So this really does beg the question.  
Has anyone had firsthand experience with a hull core issue?  Decks are 
understandable - lots of holes from hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big 
post.  But as I think about this (and despite all the internet chatter on the 
subject) I can only recall a very few stories and have never had any first hand 
issues with the hull itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been. 
  John   On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hi Chris, 

C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their fiberglass 
layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra effort and you 
can see that when you start looking at the details. 

You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from internet 
"experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just see us from 
a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  

Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
long long time

Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
owner.. 

Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
France here http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf

He's brought it back since.. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 


 

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
> to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
> 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what others
> have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
> outside of what I?ve noted above.
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> Chris Hobson, Owner
> HobsonBuildsCo.com <http://hobsonbuildsco.com/>
> ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
> 416-436-1037
>
RegardsFrançois Rivard 4111 Northside Pkwy, NwBig Data 
Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales 
UsaMobile:770-639-0429 e-mail:jfriv...@us.ibm.com

___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated! 
___



This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!





___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated! ___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Friend with a J36 had most of the starboard quarter re-cored.  Not certain
but I seem to recall he said J Boats left the top of the core exposed.

Might have to pop a cockpit locker and peek at a J Boat or two.  :)

Dennis C.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> J-30’s of the ‘80’s vintage were legendary. There were a number of them
> around here which had the outer skin removed, core replaced, and then were
> re-glassed. Not cheap, but they got thousands of pounds lighter.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> St. Michaels md
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *John
> Pennie via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* John Pennie <j...@svpaws.net>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List now cored hulls
>
>
>
> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience
> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from
> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about
> this (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only
> recall a very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the
> hull itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that
> was previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their
> fiberglass layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra
> effort and you can see that when you start looking at the details.
>
> You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from
> internet "experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just
> see us from a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)
>
> Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last
> a long long time
>
> Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior
> owner..
>
> Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed
> it from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada
> to France here
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf
>
> He's brought it back since..
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> > currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> > and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
> > to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> > please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about
> a
> > 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what
> others
> > have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand
> upon
> > outside of what I?ve noted above.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Chris Hobson, Owner
> > HobsonBuildsCo.com <http://hobsonbuildsco.com> <
> http://hobsonbuildsco.com/>
> > ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
> > 416-436-1037
> >
> Regards
> --
>
> *François Rivard*
>
>  4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw
>
> 
>
> Big Data Black Belt
>
>  Atlanta, 30327-3015
>
> IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales
>
>  Usa
>
> Mobile:
>
> 770-639-0429
>
>
>
> e-mail:
>
> jfriv...@us.ibm.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___
>
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
>
> ___
>
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you
> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All
> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

J-30’s of the ‘80’s vintage were legendary. There were a number of them around 
here which had the outer skin removed, core replaced, and then were re-glassed. 
Not cheap, but they got thousands of pounds lighter.

 

Gary

St. Michaels md

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Pennie 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 3:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Pennie <j...@svpaws.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

 

So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience with 
a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from hardware.  
Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this (and despite 
all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a very few stories 
and have never had any first hand issues with the hull itself.  Curious what 
everyone else’s experience has been.  

 

John

 

 

 

On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Chris, 

C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their fiberglass 
layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra effort and you 
can see that when you start looking at the details. 

You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from internet 
"experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just see us from 
a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  

Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
long long time

Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
owner.. 

Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
France here  <http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf> 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf

He's brought it back since.. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 


 

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
>
> I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
> to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
> 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what others
> have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
> outside of what I?ve noted above.
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> Chris Hobson, Owner
> HobsonBuildsCo.com <http://hobsonbuildsco.com>  < 
> <http://hobsonbuildsco.com/> http://hobsonbuildsco.com/>
> ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com <mailto:ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com> 
> 416-436-1037
>
Regards


  _  



François Rivard

 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw




Big Data Black Belt

 Atlanta, 30327-3015


IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales

 Usa


Mobile:

770-639-0429

 



e-mail:

jfriv...@us.ibm.com <mailto:jfriv...@us.ibm.com> 

  



 


 



___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!

 

___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!

Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience with 
a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from hardware.  
Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this (and despite 
all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a very few stories 
and have never had any first hand issues with the hull itself.  Curious what 
everyone else’s experience has been.  

John



> On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris, 
> 
> C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
> previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their 
> fiberglass layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra 
> effort and you can see that when you start looking at the details. 
> 
> You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from internet 
> "experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just see us 
> from a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  
> 
> Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
> long long time
> 
> Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
> owner.. 
> 
> Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
> from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
> France here http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf 
> 
> 
> He's brought it back since.. 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> > currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> > and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
> > to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> > please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
> > 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what others
> > have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
> > outside of what I?ve noted above.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Chris Hobson, Owner
> > HobsonBuildsCo.com >
> > ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
> > 416-436-1037
> >
> Regards
> François Rivard4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw
> 
> Big Data Black BeltAtlanta, 30327-3015
> IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales   Usa
> Mobile:   770-639-0429
> e-mail:   jfriv...@us.ibm.com 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
> what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions 
> are greatly appreciated!

___

This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you like 
what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All Contributions are 
greatly appreciated!