Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On Apr 22, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Benjamin Dobson wrote: On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:06:10, Chris Williams wrote: So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, even longer on a slow laptop, is actually starting up, or should I click it again, or is my computer dead, or what the heck is going on here...? Splash screens serve a purpose other than advertising. No program I know of actually delays the load to show the splash screen. Rather, they are a prettier way of saying loading I have an application that connects to a SQL server. The app itself isn't a slow loader, but the connection to the SQL server (often on another computer or on hard drives that may be asleep) can take 5, 10, or more seconds to establish. The splash screen shows that progress and let's the user know what things are being done. Far better than a spinning beach ball. Yes, but the vast majority of applications do not take that long to load. It may be a prettier way of saying Loading..., but unless it's got an actual progress bar on it it's just aggravating. I'll also throw in here that I have seen splash screens that have a higher window level than normal. This is just wrong. If you're app takes long enough to load to warrant a splash screen, it takes long enough to load for the user to get impatient and try to do something else. I hate to bring this up, but I believe that defending your copyright means that it must be visible at launch of your app. It doesn't have to be there long, just long enough to possibly see it. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On Apr 23, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Glenn L. Austin wrote: I hate to bring this up, but I believe that defending your copyright means that it must be visible at launch of your app. This is incorrect. There are many examples of works that are protected by copyright but that do not display a copyright notice. Here's a pdf on the subject from the Copyright Office http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ03.pdf _murat ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
Chris Williams wrote: I would also argue that in general splash screens are an anachronism. They're a holdover from slow hard drives attached to slow CPUs and the idea that an app taking several seconds to finish preparing itself for user interaction was normal. Today there are relatively few apps for which that's the case. Splash screens are no longer the norm and it's fairly gratuitous to force a user to wait for a while as you essentially advertise a product they already own to them. So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, even longer on a slow laptop, is actually starting up, or should I click it again, or is my computer dead, or what the heck is going on here...? Actually, I'd rather people read posts before they respond to them. Splash screens serve a purpose other than advertising. No program I know of actually delays the load to show the splash screen. Rather, they are a prettier way of saying loading Do you use GraphicConverter? Splash screens *can* serve a purpose other than advertising. Which I acknowledged in the post you didn't finish reading before you felt moved to compose a response. That's why there were phrases like in general and relatively few the norm in there. Congrats on not having run into apps that use them gratuitously, but don't assume that means they don't exist. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On 22 Apr 2009, at 06:32:55, Mario Kušnjer wrote: Greetings everyone ! So the question is how to make a window that doesn't have a title bar and borders ? Actually I would like it to be just like user login window of OS X. This could also go for a so called Splash Screen on app launch. Although I'd appreciate it if you could in any way avoid the latter. I have always found them extremely annoying on OS X. If you're app takes a long time to load, something small and simple like what iWork does seems better.___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On 2009.04.22, at 08:55, Benjamin Dobson wrote: Although I'd appreciate it if you could in any way avoid the latter. I have always found them extremely annoying on OS X. If you're app takes a long time to load, something small and simple like what iWork does seems better.___ Thanks everyone for answering ! Actually I was thinking on making a Splash Screen until app loading and when ready to do some kind of transition (like cube rotate that OS X uses) to the login window It wouldn't display Splash Screen for long because login window is simple except for network connection checking because app should be able to use network resources Mario ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
Mario Ku?njer wrote: Greetings everyone ! So the question is how to make a window that doesn't have a title bar and borders ? Actually I would like it to be just like user login window of OS X. This could also go for a so called Splash Screen on app launch. Thanks to all in advance. This is more a couple of philosophical digressions than anything to do with Cocoa, but I think there are a couple of things here that would benefit from a little extra scrutiny before you pursue them. I would argue against making an effort to make one of your windows look just like a security-related OS UI. You'll confuse users who don't realize there's a difference and likely anger some of those who do and decide you're trying to be deceptive. I would also argue that in general splash screens are an anachronism. They're a holdover from slow hard drives attached to slow CPUs and the idea that an app taking several seconds to finish preparing itself for user interaction was normal. Today there are relatively few apps for which that's the case. Splash screens are no longer the norm and it's fairly gratuitous to force a user to wait for a while as you essentially advertise a product they already own to them. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Chris Williams ch...@clwill.com wrote: So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, even longer on a slow laptop, is actually starting up, or should I click it again, or is my computer dead, or what the heck is going on here...? This is why the icon bounces in the Dock. If it's bouncing, it's launching. I don't really mind splash screens, although I find them to be pointless. However, if your splash screen does not go into the background when I click on another app while waiting for your app to load, then your app goes into the trash instantaneously. Much better than a splash screen is to *make your app launch faster*. Usually the startup tasks that take forever can be deferred until after the basics of the app have been set up. For example, your SQL connection doesn't need to be set up while the app is launching. Let it launch, set up your menu bar and welcome window and whatever else you have, *then* establish the connection. Your icon is no longer bouncing, your app is started, and you're in a much better environment for a long-running task. Mike ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:06:10, Chris Williams wrote: So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, even longer on a slow laptop, is actually starting up, or should I click it again, or is my computer dead, or what the heck is going on here...? Splash screens serve a purpose other than advertising. No program I know of actually delays the load to show the splash screen. Rather, they are a prettier way of saying loading I have an application that connects to a SQL server. The app itself isn't a slow loader, but the connection to the SQL server (often on another computer or on hard drives that may be asleep) can take 5, 10, or more seconds to establish. The splash screen shows that progress and let's the user know what things are being done. Far better than a spinning beach ball. Yes, but the vast majority of applications do not take that long to load. It may be a prettier way of saying Loading..., but unless it's got an actual progress bar on it it's just aggravating. I'll also throw in here that I have seen splash screens that have a higher window level than normal. This is just wrong. If you're app takes long enough to load to warrant a splash screen, it takes long enough to load for the user to get impatient and try to do something else. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
Below: From: Michael Ash michael@gmail.com I don't really mind splash screens, although I find them to be pointless. However, if your splash screen does not go into the background when I click on another app while waiting for your app to load, then your app goes into the trash instantaneously. Of course it doesn't demand being on top. Much better than a splash screen is to *make your app launch faster*. Usually the startup tasks that take forever can be deferred until after the basics of the app have been set up. For example, your SQL connection doesn't need to be set up while the app is launching Phhfffttt... The app is a database app. Without the connection, there is no app. Let it launch, set up your menu bar and welcome window and whatever else you have, *then* establish the connection. Your icon is no longer bouncing, your app is started, and you're in a much better environment for a long-running task. It used to do that. Then the first time you touched anything it hung to 10 seconds, and people thought the app was broken. You can load my app quickly by disabling the remember where I was last checkbox. Then it doesn't have to search the database several times, and load the disk directory tree, on startup. But no one does that. You seem to live in a world where every app is lightweight. This app has over a million records in the SQL database, and indexes well over a million files in an almost 2TB file set. Things take time. Letting your users know what's going on -- above and beyond a bouncing icon or a spinning beach ball -- is just common sense. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
Completely agreed. That's just arrogant and insulting. From: Benjamin Dobson importedfromsp...@googlemail.com I have seen splash screens that have a higher window level than normal. This is just wrong. If you're app takes long enough to load to warrant a splash screen, it takes long enough to load for the user to get impatient and try to do something else. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Chris Williams ch...@clwill.com wrote: Below: From: Michael Ash michael@gmail.com I don't really mind splash screens, although I find them to be pointless. However, if your splash screen does not go into the background when I click on another app while waiting for your app to load, then your app goes into the trash instantaneously. Of course it doesn't demand being on top. Very good! Most don't, but some are really bad that way. Much better than a splash screen is to *make your app launch faster*. Usually the startup tasks that take forever can be deferred until after the basics of the app have been set up. For example, your SQL connection doesn't need to be set up while the app is launching Phhfffttt... The app is a database app. Without the connection, there is no app. Let it launch, set up your menu bar and welcome window and whatever else you have, *then* establish the connection. Your icon is no longer bouncing, your app is started, and you're in a much better environment for a long-running task. It used to do that. Then the first time you touched anything it hung to 10 seconds, and people thought the app was broken. I'm not saying that you load it lazily on demand. I'm saying that you get the app up and running in a minimal fashion, and *then* establish the connection. Do it immediately, but after you've officially launched. If you do it modelessly, then the user can still access whatever features don't rely on the connection. That might just be the about box, but maybe that's what they're after. If you do it modally then at least your dock icon stopped bouncing and you can easily switch to the app to check on its progress and such. You can load my app quickly by disabling the remember where I was last checkbox. Then it doesn't have to search the database several times, and load the disk directory tree, on startup. But no one does that. You seem to live in a world where every app is lightweight. This app has over a million records in the SQL database, and indexes well over a million files in an almost 2TB file set. Things take time. Letting your users know what's going on -- above and beyond a bouncing icon or a spinning beach ball -- is just common sense. Sure, I'm just saying that there are generally better ways to let them know than a splash screen. Mike ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
Michael Ash wrote: I'm not saying that you load it lazily on demand. I'm saying that you get the app up and running in a minimal fashion, and *then* establish the connection. Do it immediately, but after you've officially launched. If you do it modelessly, then the user can still access whatever features don't rely on the connection. That might just be the about box, but maybe that's what they're after. If you do it modally then at least your dock icon stopped bouncing and you can easily switch to the app to check on its progress and such. I suggest showing the long-running action using the app's normal way of showing long-running actions, whatever that might be. An example of this is Safari, if it has a home page that takes some time to load. There's no splash or loading screen; Safari just presents its normal window with its normal connecting and loading indicator, exactly the same as if you'd clicked a link to a page that takes a long time to load. If the only possible long-running action for the app occurs at launch, then an I'm working splash screen or other window might make sense. But if the app has a normal way of showing the user that an action is taking a long time to complete, I recommend using that over a specialized launch-only window. -- GG ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chris Williams ch...@clwill.com wrote: blah blah... Far better than a spinning beach ball. If written well an application can launch quickly and then get into UI that informs the user that a lengthy process is taking place while ideally letting them do other tasks that aren't blocked by the length task. A splash screen is generally a bad way to do that on Mac OS X, as is causing the beach ball to show. Review... (can't find the blob of text that I recall explicitly talking about splash screens) http://developer.apple.com/documentation/userexperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGHIDesign/XHIGHIDesign.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP3353-TPXREF106 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/userexperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGHIDesign/XHIGHIDesign.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP3353-TPXREF110 -Shawn ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
Le 22 avr. 09 à 20:31, Shawn Erickson a écrit : On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chris Williams ch...@clwill.com wrote: blah blah... Far better than a spinning beach ball. If written well an application can launch quickly and then get into UI that informs the user that a lengthy process is taking place while ideally letting them do other tasks that aren't blocked by the length task. A splash screen is generally a bad way to do that on Mac OS X, as is causing the beach ball to show. And the worst is that if the long task blocks the event loop, there is no way to cancel it… ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
[OT] Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:06, Chris Williams wrote: So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, even longer on a slow laptop, is actually starting up, or should I click it again, or is my computer dead, or what the heck is going on here...? If you think Office or any of Adobe's apps really have a good excuse for that behaviour, I'm afraid you're sorely mistaken. The problem they're trying to solve is well-known, and has been solved for *years* in some other bits of software. Since we're talking huge apps, a reasonable comparison might be Emacs, which, if it tried to load everything individually like Adobe's apps appear to, would probably take even longer to load. Yet it appears almost instantaneously. (Yes, I know, I know, that's because of a horrible unexec() hack, at least on most platforms, though IIRC the OS X implementation is a little cleaner than average.) Another large example is OS X itself; it does an Emacs-like trick with device drivers, loading them all in one lump from a cache file whenever possible. I suppose both Adobe and Microsoft would retort that they have a lot of historic baggage and that re-implementing the start-up code isn't high priority for them. Maybe even that there genuinely are things they need to do that really do take time and can't be avoided (though I'm doubtful). I'm only picking on their apps because you mentioned them, and they're easy targets :-) Splash screens serve a purpose other than advertising. No program I know of actually delays the load to show the splash screen. The point is that most of what they do at load time can usually either be avoided entirely, optimized somehow or deferred until it's really necessary. I have an application that connects to a SQL server. The app itself isn't a slow loader, but the connection to the SQL server (often on another computer or on hard drives that may be asleep) can take 5, 10, or more seconds to establish. The splash screen shows that progress and let's the user know what things are being done. Far better than a spinning beach ball. But much better to display the app's main UI and then use the app's usual progress indication mechanism. And then, ideally, to make any parts of the UI that *can* start working work as soon as possible. Of course, we're generalising here, and there is a fine line between having a splash screen and having a window that opens that says that you're just connecting to your server or fetching essential data. Incidentally, since you're talking about a database app, it's worth contemplating whether there is anything that you don't really need to fetch straight away; you *might* find that you don't even need to load any data up front, but just need to do some queries to establish the structure of the data that you're going to have to load. I'm sure you've thought of all of this already wish such a large volume of data, but even if that's true then it might be a useful pointer for someone else reading this e-mail. Anyway, this is getting kind of off-topic, but hopefully it's a useful post anyway. Kind regards, Alastair. -- http://alastairs-place.net ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
You shouldn't always show a log-in panel in your application either; Mac OS X has the Keychain for secure storage of user credentials, you should only ask the user to log in to your service if there's no stored credential or they've done something like reset their password. And instead of checking network connectivity, your application should just try to use the network and fail gracefully when it's not available. After all, it could go away between when you check and actually start using it, or while you're using it - at that point, what does checking get you? -- Chris On Apr 22, 2009, at 12:57 AM, Mario Kušnjer mario.kusn...@sb.t- com.hr wrote: On 2009.04.22, at 08:55, Benjamin Dobson wrote: Although I'd appreciate it if you could in any way avoid the latter. I have always found them extremely annoying on OS X. If you're app takes a long time to load, something small and simple like what iWork does seems better.___ Thanks everyone for answering ! Actually I was thinking on making a Splash Screen until app loading and when ready to do some kind of transition (like cube rotate that OS X uses) to the login window It wouldn't display Splash Screen for long because login window is simple except for network connection checking because app should be able to use network resources Mario ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cmh%40me.com This email sent to c...@me.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Chris Hanson c...@me.com wrote: And instead of checking network connectivity, your application should just try to use the network and fail gracefully when it's not available. After all, it could go away between when you check and actually start using it, or while you're using it - at that point, what does checking get you? Avoidance of a timeout, perhaps? Checking reachability might spare your user a 5 to 10 second trying to contact server spinning progress indicator. That 5 to 10 seconds could instead be spent smacking oneself for forgetting to turn on AirPort. --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On 2009.04.23, at 04:08, Chris Hanson wrote: You shouldn't always show a log-in panel in your application either; Mac OS X has the Keychain for secure storage of user credentials, you should only ask the user to log in to your service if there's no stored credential or they've done something like reset their password. And instead of checking network connectivity, your application should just try to use the network and fail gracefully when it's not available. After all, it could go away between when you check and actually start using it, or while you're using it - at that point, what does checking get you? Well I was thinking this way: First window that shows when you start the app is login window because user can't use an app if he doesn't log in. And about Splash Screen: The user name and password provided in login window is checked against a remote database over network, so that is why network check is done on app launch and while that is performed I show Splash Screen. If network resources are unavailable no login window is showed but instead a window that perform certain tasks regarding the problem (if no connection - open network pref, if no database - select or create database, etc). I hope I made it a little bit clear about what I'm trying to accomplish. Thanks to everyone Mario ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Kyle Sluder kyle.slu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Chris Hanson c...@me.com wrote: And instead of checking network connectivity, your application should just try to use the network and fail gracefully when it's not available. After all, it could go away between when you check and actually start using it, or while you're using it - at that point, what does checking get you? Avoidance of a timeout, perhaps? Checking reachability might spare your user a 5 to 10 second trying to contact server spinning progress indicator. That 5 to 10 seconds could instead be spent smacking oneself for forgetting to turn on AirPort. Any half-competent network code will error immediately in that situation, not time out. Any situation where network code will time out is also a time when reachability will either also time out or will return a false positive. Mike ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Mario Kušnjer wrote: Well I was thinking this way: First window that shows when you start the app is login window because user can't use an app if he doesn't log in. My point is that this isn't the logic your application should be following. Instead, your application should just attempt to log in. If the user can't be logged in using their stored credentials — because there are no stored credentials, because their log-in information was rejected, etc. — then show your application's log-in panel. And be sure that your log-in panel has a checkbox that allows the user to save their credentials in the Keychain. And about Splash Screen: The user name and password provided in login window is checked against a remote database over network, so that is why network check is done on app launch and while that is performed I show Splash Screen. If network resources are unavailable no login window is showed but instead a window that perform certain tasks regarding the problem (if no connection - open network pref, if no database - select or create database, etc). Again, the network may become unavailable between when the network check takes place and when the user actually attempts to log in. This happens all the time to users on wireless connections, so it's not something you can just dismiss. Your application needs to be prepared for the network state to change over its lifetime, at any point in the application's execution. Application launch isn't a special time that should be singled out. Furthermore, there are a ton of ways any particular Mac may be able to reach your server over the network: A wireless network, a wired network, a 3G network card, a FireWire network, a VPN… And there's no primary or default connection, any all network connections may be available from any given Mac at any given time, with the built-in routing infrastructure deciding which one a particular connection gets routed through. There's no simple Are network resources available? check that you can make, other than Can I connect to my server, right now? And even then, you're still not out of the woods: Some networks may have proxies in place that will intercept your attempt to connect to your server until the user visits a log-in page in their web browser. (Coffee shops often do this in the United States.) Your software will need to cope with that situation too. To sum up: Your application will need to deal sensibly with shifting network conditions while it's running. Application launch time is not special or different in this respect. -- Chris ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
Greetings everyone ! So the question is how to make a window that doesn't have a title bar and borders ? Actually I would like it to be just like user login window of OS X. This could also go for a so called Splash Screen on app launch. Thanks to all in advance. Mario ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?
On 21 apr 2009, at 22.32, Mario Kušnjer wrote: So the question is how to make a window that doesn't have a title bar and borders ? Actually I would like it to be just like user login window of OS X. This could also go for a so called Splash Screen on app launch. Hello Mario, I think you might find what you're looking for in this sample: http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/RoundTransparentWindow/index.html j o a r ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
