[CODE4LIB] Job: Programmer at University College Dublin - National University of Ireland, Dublin
UCD Library requires a Programmer for Digital Services with strong systems analysis integration and applications development skills to support the development of UCD Library's digital services infrastructure. Ongoing support of the Library's digital systems and services is required to ensure that UCD Library strategic objectives are met with regard to teaching and learning, research, and curation of digital assets. The post holder will be a member of the Library's Research and Innovation unit, supporting requirements of both the Library Information Technology Services (LITS) and Research Services units. Current UCD Library technical infrastructure includes: a Library Management System and associated technologies; institutional repository (DSpace); Digital Library Services (Fedora Commons repository; gsearch/solr; djatoka; PostgreSQL/PostGIS; FilemakerPro). Principle Duties and Responsibilities * Serve as technical lead in development and deployment of digital repository services, relatedapplications, associated middleware, and workflow frameworks related to metadata/contentcreation and management; * Participate in cross-departmental and organisational groups including other Library units,UCD IT services and with relevant partners and collaborators within UCD,Ireland andinternationally, as required; * Liaise and collaborate with external partners (for example, The Hydra Project),potential participation in collaborative open-source development efforts; * Integrate systems and workflows with other systems on campus and externally toassure therealisation of strategic objectives; * Implement middleware services to support authentication/authorisation of andiverse user base; * Specify, develop and deploy APIs to facilitate dissemination of data/information tobespoke requirements of internal and external data consumers; * Ensure technical management of publicly accessible web services deployed with php, and javascript; * Provide programming support for workflows related to creation, management, of digital content metadata; * Assure adherence to best practices with regard to management of technical assets,source code and documentation; * Assure adherence to best practices and coordination with UCD IT Services withregard tosecurity of library technical infrastructure. Selection criteria outline the qualifications, skills, knowledge and/or experience that the successful candidate would need to demonstrate for successful discharge of the responsibilities of the post. Applications will be assessed on the basis of how well candidates satisfy these criteria. Mandatory * Undergraduate degree in Computer Science, Software Development or related field;graduate level qualifications preferred; * At least three years' work experience in a systems analyst/programming capacity * Knowledge and experience of open-source applications and toolkits * Knowledge of principles of object-oriented design and object-oriented programminglanguages, including Java; * Experience developing and deploying applications in Java; * Knowledge of SQL and experience with management of relational database systemssuch asMySQL and PostgreSQL; * Knowledge of and experience in management of Apache and tomcat/Jetty; * Experience with web development involving Ruby on Rails or comparable web frameworks; * Experience of web development with php; * • Knowledge of JavaScript and JavaScript libraries such as JQuery; * • Experience working with JSON, XML, XML-encoded metadata, and related technologies(XPath, XSLT, XML schema, etc.); * Solid understanding of Linux/UNIX systems, shell scripting languages and Perl; * An understanding of the RDF data model and technologies for management and querying ofRDF data (e.g. Any23, Apache Jena, ITQL, SPARQL); * Demonstrated experience managing IT or software development projects; * Excellent communications skills and the ability to work effectively in a team-oriented * Demonstrated ability to manage and prioritise activities involving multiple concurrent Desirable * Acquaintance with concepts of linked data and strategies for deployment of linked * Knowledge of principles of design and supports of digital archives and repositories; * Prior experience with the Fedora Commons digital repository framework and relatedtechnologies (including Solr); * Acquaintance withmetadata frameworks prevalent in the bibliographic community (DublinCore, MODS, etc.) Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/4689/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib Registration 2013 Redux.
Just to make sure I understand, does registration now open at Noon EST on December 4, 2012? Thanks, Cary On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@uic.edu wrote: To prove that we *do* listen the registration is push a full week from the last post. Repeat: You will be registering on 12/4 for Code4lib 2013. Apologies and thanks for those who beat some sense into us. We *do appreciate it*. That said we will not delay this any further. :-) ./fxk -- A candidate is a person who gets money from the rich and votes from the poor to protect them from each other. -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
[CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib!
YET AGAIN I am totally blown away by how amazing this community is. I am utterly sincere when I say that you people give me hope for the world. Because let me tell you, there are communities where that suggestion would not have been welcomed enthusiastically. And instead, in true code4lib style, we had a democratic decision making process, some proposed solutions which are emerging over time with input from many, swarmed tactical response (with version control! and resources for further study! see: github.com/code4lib), and witty commentary and signal boosting on irc and twitter. We have created a community of practice here that really works, in so many ways, and best yet has shown a willingness to get even better. I am so proud, and so happy, and so thankful to be a member of this community. Thank you, code4lib. Bess Begin forwarded message: From: lists...@listserv.nd.edu Date: November 26, 2012 2:16:24 PM PST To: Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com Subject: Your message dated Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:16:25 -0800 with subject Your message dated Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:16:25 -0800 with subject anti-harassment policy for code4lib? has been successfully distributed to the CODE4LIB list (2197 recipients).
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote: To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our personal names Diversity and inclusiveness is a state of mind, and our individual and collective actions exert that force than any policy or pledge ever could. I'm hoping that things can be handled with the minimum formality necessary and that if something needs to be fixed, people can just talk about it so things can be made right. If we need a policy, I'm all for it. But it's truly a sad day if policy rather than just being motivated to do the right thing is what's keeping people playing nice. I agree that it is preferred if one can just assume, if I can restate, that some flavor of The Golden Rule [0] is in force in all interactions. Unfortunately, if reports from past Code4Lib events (mentioned by Bess in her initial note, are these collected somewhere?) and actions at peer events are any guide, it is unsafe to make that assumption. The policy/code-of-conduct, then, becomes the proactive, affirmative statement of the community. I don't think we should wait for a reactive stance to try to make things right. We can (re)set the expectation for anything now going forward. Peter [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule -- Peter Murray Assistant Director, Technology Services Development LYRASIS peter.mur...@lyrasis.org +1 678-235-2955 1438 West Peachtree Street NW Suite 200 Atlanta, GA 30309 Toll Free: 800.999.8558 Fax: 404.892.7879 www.lyrasis.org LYRASIS: Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers.
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
Also, one of the advantages for most anti-harassment policies is that they define the behavior in terms of the recipient feeling uncomfortable/threatened. You'd be surprised how many of the recent ugly con situations in the geek communities had people whose defense was: But I wasn't being an asshole! or How could I know? On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: Hi Kyle, IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an offender. -Mike On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote: It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++, anarchivist++ for the quick assist. This. To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our personal names Diversity and inclusiveness is a state of mind, and our individual and collective actions exert that force than any policy or pledge ever could. I'm hoping that things can be handled with the minimum formality necessary and that if something needs to be fixed, people can just talk about it so things can be made right. If we need a policy, I'm all for it. But it's truly a sad day if policy rather than just being motivated to do the right thing is what's keeping people playing nice. kyle
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
Also, I've seen a number of reports over the last few years of women who were harassed at predominately-male tech conferences. Taken together, they paint a picture of men (particularly drunken men) creating an atmosphere that makes a lot of people feel excluded and worry about being harassed or worse. So I think a positive statement of values, and the general raising of consciousness of these issues, is a good thing. -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu Men feared witches and burnt women. -- Louis Brandeis, Whitney v. California, concurring On 11/26/2012, at 7:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: Hi Kyle, IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an offender. -Mike On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote: It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++, anarchivist++ for the quick assist. This. To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our personal names Diversity and inclusiveness is a state of mind, and our individual and collective actions exert that force than any policy or pledge ever could. I'm hoping that things can be handled with the minimum formality necessary and that if something needs to be fixed, people can just talk about it so things can be made right. If we need a policy, I'm all for it. But it's truly a sad day if policy rather than just being motivated to do the right thing is what's keeping people playing nice. kyle
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
And also a policy could be support for an offendee to speak up that what happened to her/him was wrong. Sorry to call her out, but Bess DID say that conferences have also been problematic for me a couple of times ALREADY, but she didn't know how to talk about it. A policy would hopefully give someone who also didn't know how to talk about such things some courage and some words to use. And no, when there is even the perception of power imbalance as can happen when someone has a minority status (whether gender or culture or otherwise) it isn't so simple to just speak up and fix the problem. Sometimes you have to bend over backwards just to level the field a bit. (Just sayin') Christina Salazar Systems Librarian John Spoor Broome Library California State University, Channel Islands 805/437-3198 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael J. Giarlo Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:47 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib? Hi Kyle, IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an offender. -Mike On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote: It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++, anarchivist++ for the quick assist. This. To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our personal names Diversity and inclusiveness is a state of mind, and our individual and collective actions exert that force than any policy or pledge ever could. I'm hoping that things can be handled with the minimum formality necessary and that if something needs to be fixed, people can just talk about it so things can be made right. If we need a policy, I'm all for it. But it's truly a sad day if policy rather than just being motivated to do the right thing is what's keeping people playing nice. kyle
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote: Hi Kyle, IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an offender. That was the reasoning for the DCBPW code of conduct ... covering ourselves if we had to eject someone. And it's not just a diversity thing -- One of the concerns for the DCBPW one was that there had been a guy at some previous Perl workshop who seemed to think that the presentations were personal conversations between him and the speaker, and kept interjecting. The sad reality is, there seem to be an abnormally high number of people in the technology fields who have gotten as far as they have with little to no understanding of social etiquette. (I've been told that I can cite myself as an example ... if you don't believe me, do a `whois annoying.org`) -Joe
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
+1 to Bess for raising the topic -- I'm onboard. Jon's point is an important one. Code4Lib does not have a formal structure, owner, or convening body. Any power in the Code4Lib community is directly proportional to the collective will of the members of this community. Therefore I think it is important to have a way for community members to register an endorsement of the policy/code-of-conduct. That will be how the local meeting hosts and the IRC channel ops and the mailing list owners (all volunteers) are empowered to take action. Here are a couple of ways to do it, along with some advantages and disadvantages: * Registering names on a wiki page: + Low overhead, account infrastructure not required - Subject to vandalism and false signatures * Sign by forking the GitHub repo: + Good for version control (a particular version is signed) + Fork appearing on GitHub repo list keeps commitment in the forefront of signer's mind - Requiring signers to have a GitHub account may not be realistic * Create a lightweight signing app on Code4Lib.org + Lighter weight account registration requirement than GitHub - Requires someone to create app - Signers must sign up for a code4lib.org account; overhead for code4lib.org administrators Peter On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote: The responses to the list in the past couple of hours alone suggest that this is something much of the community would want to get behind. To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our personal names. I don't know how that would work exactly...maybe via the wiki (where it seems to me a lot of good info goes to die) or the code4lib Github (slightly better since you could link to your credentials in a an environment much larger than our own, and everyone could have a copy), but something along those lines. I'm happy to help if I can. -- Peter Murray Assistant Director, Technology Services Development LYRASIS peter.mur...@lyrasis.org +1 678-235-2955 1438 West Peachtree Street NW Suite 200 Atlanta, GA 30309 Toll Free: 800.999.8558 Fax: 404.892.7879 www.lyrasis.org LYRASIS: Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers.
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
+1 - unfortunately, without a set policy, any infractions have to be treated arbitrarily by... well, by whom? Having a policy eases the burden of the organizers who don't have to be forced into making one on the spot in reaction to an incident. -Ross. On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: Hi Kyle, IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an offender. -Mike On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote: It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++, anarchivist++ for the quick assist. This. To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our personal names Diversity and inclusiveness is a state of mind, and our individual and collective actions exert that force than any policy or pledge ever could. I'm hoping that things can be handled with the minimum formality necessary and that if something needs to be fixed, people can just talk about it so things can be made right. If we need a policy, I'm all for it. But it's truly a sad day if policy rather than just being motivated to do the right thing is what's keeping people playing nice. kyle
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
On 11/26/12 4:37 PM, Joe Hourcle wrote: Don't be an asshole. Could that become the 11th commandment, and could we get a really really angry god to enforce it? Everywhere, all of the time? kc I think there was a second line of it, about how we had the right to remove people who refused to follow that advice and no refunds would be given. I might be wrong on the exact language. The e-mail I found referenced 'Don't be a dick', in an attempt to paraphrase the legalese of the Code of Conduct for our venue ... but the reference to gender-specific anatomy would be kinda sexist in itself. -Joe -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
bess++ giarlo++ matienzo++ tennant++ all who have agreed to volunteer++ I think there are plenty of volunteers, so I'll gladly defer to others. (If you do need more, you know where to find me.) I trust you guys to make it sensible, not too formal, blah blah. As for signing personal names -- I hate that we have such a litigious society, but we do. I would certainly sign my support for a motion, but I would not want any of us to be individually responsible in a legal sense for some else's behavior. So please be careful! I'm pondering if a code of conduct (the positive things we want) would be a nice counterpart to explicitly stating what we don't condone (anti-harrassment policy). It should be low barrier and low risk for individuals to tell us/someone when they feel uncomfortable. Hopefully with enough detail to allow for remediation/change. Lastly, I'd like to hang on to the sense that an individual who has been called out in a transgression has an opportunity to make amends, to avoid future incidents and to remain in the community. I commit so many social blunders that it scares me to think I could be excluded from this great community from an unintentional consequence of a poorly filtered action. - Naomi who is understanding why legal code gets so frickin' complicated! On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote: Hi Kyle, IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an offender. -Mike On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote: It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++, anarchivist++ for the quick assist. This. To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our personal names Diversity and inclusiveness is a state of mind, and our individual and collective actions exert that force than any policy or pledge ever could. I'm hoping that things can be handled with the minimum formality necessary and that if something needs to be fixed, people can just talk about it so things can be made right. If we need a policy, I'm all for it. But it's truly a sad day if policy rather than just being motivated to do the right thing is what's keeping people playing nice. kyle
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
This is now SOP for open-source software events and organizations. I don't seem to do anything except go to open-source software events, so I can't speak to any other type of event or group. Cary On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: Hi Kyle, IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an offender. -Mike On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote: It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++, anarchivist++ for the quick assist. This. To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our personal names Diversity and inclusiveness is a state of mind, and our individual and collective actions exert that force than any policy or pledge ever could. I'm hoping that things can be handled with the minimum formality necessary and that if something needs to be fixed, people can just talk about it so things can be made right. If we need a policy, I'm all for it. But it's truly a sad day if policy rather than just being motivated to do the right thing is what's keeping people playing nice. kyle -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
A+ would fork again On Nov 27, 2012 7:47 AM, Peter Murray peter.mur...@lyrasis.org wrote: +1 to Bess for raising the topic -- I'm onboard. Jon's point is an important one. Code4Lib does not have a formal structure, owner, or convening body. Any power in the Code4Lib community is directly proportional to the collective will of the members of this community. Therefore I think it is important to have a way for community members to register an endorsement of the policy/code-of-conduct. That will be how the local meeting hosts and the IRC channel ops and the mailing list owners (all volunteers) are empowered to take action. Here are a couple of ways to do it, along with some advantages and disadvantages: * Registering names on a wiki page: + Low overhead, account infrastructure not required - Subject to vandalism and false signatures * Sign by forking the GitHub repo: + Good for version control (a particular version is signed) + Fork appearing on GitHub repo list keeps commitment in the forefront of signer's mind - Requiring signers to have a GitHub account may not be realistic * Create a lightweight signing app on Code4Lib.org + Lighter weight account registration requirement than GitHub - Requires someone to create app - Signers must sign up for a code4lib.org account; overhead for code4lib.org administrators Peter On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:15 PM, Jon Stroop jstr...@princeton.edu wrote: The responses to the list in the past couple of hours alone suggest that this is something much of the community would want to get behind. To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make whatever winds up being drafted something we can sign; i.e. attach our personal names. I don't know how that would work exactly...maybe via the wiki (where it seems to me a lot of good info goes to die) or the code4lib Github (slightly better since you could link to your credentials in a an environment much larger than our own, and everyone could have a copy), but something along those lines. I'm happy to help if I can. -- Peter Murray Assistant Director, Technology Services Development LYRASIS peter.mur...@lyrasis.org +1 678-235-2955 1438 West Peachtree Street NW Suite 200 Atlanta, GA 30309 Toll Free: 800.999.8558 Fax: 404.892.7879 www.lyrasis.org LYRASIS: Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib Registration 2013 Redux.
We only moved the dates. Noon of next week. = sent from a mobile device with a dodgy keyboard On Nov 26, 2012, at 19:03, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: Just to make sure I understand, does registration now open at Noon EST on December 4, 2012? Thanks, Cary On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@uic.edu wrote: To prove that we *do* listen the registration is push a full week from the last post. Repeat: You will be registering on 12/4 for Code4lib 2013. Apologies and thanks for those who beat some sense into us. We *do appreciate it*. That said we will not delay this any further. :-) ./fxk -- A candidate is a person who gets money from the rich and votes from the poor to protect them from each other. -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib Registration 2013 Redux.
Thanks for giving us a week notice. I would be screwed if it was today, both for schedule reasons and for being given funding (which still isn't). In the original proposal, http://tigger.uic.edu/~kayiwa/code4lib.html , you said: Our plan will include staggered registration divided in 3 equal parts. Early bird for people on the East Coast and our international friends who stay up late, another in the middle of the day convenient for the central time zone, and another late in the day to accommodate the West Coast and international guests. I haven't heard anything about this in the recent email flurry, so I'm assuming there will just be a registration single queue, right? Thanks, Tom On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@uic.edu wrote: To prove that we *do* listen the registration is push a full week from the last post. Repeat: You will be registering on 12/4 for Code4lib 2013. Apologies and thanks for those who beat some sense into us. We *do appreciate it*. That said we will not delay this any further. :-) ./fxk -- A candidate is a person who gets money from the rich and votes from the poor to protect them from each other.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib Registration 2013 Redux.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 09:27:26AM -0500, Tom Keays wrote: Thanks for giving us a week notice. I would be screwed if it was today, both for schedule reasons and for being given funding (which still isn't). In the original proposal, http://tigger.uic.edu/~kayiwa/code4lib.html , you said: That guy was terribly naive... Our plan will include staggered registration divided in 3 equal parts. Early bird for people on the East Coast and our international friends who stay up late, another in the middle of the day convenient for the central time zone, and another late in the day to accommodate the West Coast and international guests. I haven't heard anything about this in the recent email flurry, so I'm assuming there will just be a registration single queue, right? Yep it will be one registration at noon. The cost of pulling off my proposal above would mean we would be talking about the hefty cost of registering for the conference at the 3 time slots. ./fxk Thanks, Tom On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@uic.edu wrote: To prove that we *do* listen the registration is push a full week from the last post. Repeat: You will be registering on 12/4 for Code4lib 2013. Apologies and thanks for those who beat some sense into us. We *do appreciate it*. That said we will not delay this any further. :-) ./fxk -- A candidate is a person who gets money from the rich and votes from the poor to protect them from each other. -- Documentation is the castor oil of programming. Managers know it must be good because the programmers hate it so much.
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I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
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On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? This is relevant to my interests! This blog post, and its follow-up, by organizers of two different conferences are the best I've seen on this topic: http://geekfeminism.org/2012/05/21/how-i-got-50-women-speakers-at-my-tech-conference/ , http://2012.jsconf.eu/2012/09/17/beating-the-odds-how-we-got-25-percent-women-speakers.html My personal experiences: I pitched a talk to PyCon 2013 (waiting to hear back). I would never in a million years have thought of doing this, because I don't think of myself as being enough of a developer to have anything to say at a real tech conference. But one of the PyCon organizers asked me personally to do so, which was in fact all I needed to start taking seriously the idea that I might have something to say that people might want to hear. This is pretty much exactly the approach in the blog posts above. Women are less likely to think they have things to say, less likely to realize that talk-driven development is an option, more likely to believe they have to meet a very high level of expertise before they get to pitch talks -- but when you *ask*, they turn out to have just as many interesting things to say as the men. (I expect the same is true for other underrepresented groups.) When you don't see People Like You in the room (along whatever axis of like feels relevant), it's a lot harder to believe that there's a place for you there. Someone telling you specifically that there is makes a huge difference. And honestly? It's not as if it's *hard* to identify diverse library technologists. You just have to actually sit down and do it, because if you put out a passive call you'll get the same people you always do, and the ones who aren't Like That won't step up. Even if the environment once they get there is totally friendly. I'm on the planning committee for LITA National Forum 2013 and I'm trying to take this approach -- brainstorming about people groups who are outside of our core constituency but are doing interesting tech stuff, or know people who are, and personally asking them to pitch a talk. When we get those, we'll subject them to exactly the same scrutiny as all the rest, but having a broader range represented should give us some really interesting possibilities for the final program. I'd really like to see a wide range of use cases and speakers represented. (Speaking of which, y'all can has CFP: http://litablog.org/2012/10/lita-forum-2013-call-for-proposals/ Pull reque -- er, Google Form submissions -- eagerly awaited.) Andromeda
Re: [CODE4LIB] Diversity of presenters (was bibliotechy's fat fingers)
I'm more concerned about the latter ratio than the former (although we could probably question the demographics of the electorate, I think the process is about as open and fair and democratic as we can really hope for). The low percentage of female proposers is really the reason why there are so few female presenters. Add to it that 75% of them are recidivist presenters (which is, honestly, a problem that spans all Code4lib demographics), this doesn't do much to embiggen the tent. I would be interested to see the gender breakdown in the CfP for comparable conferences (LITA National, Access) and if Code4lib's numbers are noticeably lower, meeting with those groups to determine why. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
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Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
Re: [CODE4LIB] Diversity of presenters (was bibliotechy's fat fingers)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested to see the gender breakdown in the CfP for comparable conferences (LITA National, Access) and if Code4lib's numbers are noticeably lower, meeting with those groups to determine why. I would be happy to run the Forum 13 numbers after our CFP window closes in the spring and engage in that sort of conversation. (I don't speak for the committee as a whole, of course.) FYI, for Forum 12, the (non-keynote, non-poster-session) speakers were 41% male, 56% female (small% I-couldn't-tell-from-names-or-find-photos). I don't know about the ratio of proposers as I wasn't on that committee. I don't know whether I feel good or bad about the 41/56 ratio -- I mean, it's kinda even (yay!) but dramatically unrepresentative of librarianship as a whole (boo!) I feel much twitchier when I break down the list by race (71% white, though that's actually less than librarianship as a whole, yikes) or library type (76% academic? oh my). I am *extremely confident* that library technology use cases are not limited to white people in academic libraries. But if the conversation is limited to those use cases, the technology actually produced is likely to be as well. Andromeda
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On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. The issue is less about where the number is now than where it's going (and how quickly). Is our (completely hypothetical) 17% up from 2006 (or whenever), when Code4lib started? If so, then I'm less inclined to panic about the statistics and just continue working towards making the community amenable to more groups. If it has plateaued or regressed, then, yes, we need to be extremely concerned. -Ross. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
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By any chance, do we have the numbers of the previous code4lib conference attendees by the female/male ratio? ~Bohyun From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Ross Singer [rossfsin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:20 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. The issue is less about where the number is now than where it's going (and how quickly). Is our (completely hypothetical) 17% up from 2006 (or whenever), when Code4lib started? If so, then I'm less inclined to panic about the statistics and just continue working towards making the community amenable to more groups. If it has plateaued or regressed, then, yes, we need to be extremely concerned. -Ross. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
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As a soon to be librarian and a female engineer, I can tell you that your numbers generally reflect the status of women in the STEM areas as a whole. According to the Economics and Statistics Administration, women hold less than 25% of tech jobs (2009). I think that you are right on target in wondering how to attract more women into the techy end of libraries; in addition to promoting STEM areas to young women, I feel that a good place to start is to advocate for more integration of coding (beyond basic web design) into required library courses. Laura Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
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I think questions of proportionality are meaningful, but regardless of how we're doing by that standard, there's still work to be done. I want to see the tech community become a lot less white and male, and if that means that the community spends a little time explicitly encouraging a more diverse group of presenters, then sign me up for that job. --James On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. The issue is less about where the number is now than where it's going (and how quickly). Is our (completely hypothetical) 17% up from 2006 (or whenever), when Code4lib started? If so, then I'm less inclined to panic about the statistics and just continue working towards making the community amenable to more groups. If it has plateaued or regressed, then, yes, we need to be extremely concerned. -Ross. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions?
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If the numbers are not what we want them to be, if the percentage has plateaued or regressed, then I don't think it's enough to be merely concerned, even if we're extremely concerned. There are actions we can take to make sure the numbers are exactly what we want them be, or very close. For instance, we can make it so that a male registration opens up for each female that registers. That may be difficult for Francis to make happen for this year, but we should consider making it a requirement for future organizers. /dev On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. The issue is less about where the number is now than where it's going (and how quickly). Is our (completely hypothetical) 17% up from 2006 (or whenever), when Code4lib started? If so, then I'm less inclined to panic about the statistics and just continue working towards making the community amenable to more groups. If it has plateaued or regressed, then, yes, we need to be extremely concerned. -Ross. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Sent from my GMail account.
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It seems to me that the most effective way to diversify the audience would be to diversify the program. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote: If the numbers are not what we want them to be, if the percentage has plateaued or regressed, then I don't think it's enough to be merely concerned, even if we're extremely concerned. There are actions we can take to make sure the numbers are exactly what we want them be, or very close. For instance, we can make it so that a male registration opens up for each female that registers. That may be difficult for Francis to make happen for this year, but we should consider making it a requirement for future organizers. /dev On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. The issue is less about where the number is now than where it's going (and how quickly). Is our (completely hypothetical) 17% up from 2006 (or whenever), when Code4lib started? If so, then I'm less inclined to panic about the statistics and just continue working towards making the community amenable to more groups. If it has plateaued or regressed, then, yes, we need to be extremely concerned. -Ross. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Sent from my GMail account.
[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2013 alternate housing
(keeping the subject line general, in case other Chicagoans want to jump in) Would free housing make a big difference to you in deciding whether you can come to code4lib 2013? Well, I can offer free crash space to one female attendee. Or, I guess two is possible, if you're willing to share a queen-sized air mattress. Caveats include: my apartment is on the 3rd floor, it's a bit on the under-heated side, and I have a cat who is very generous with her fur. Bonuses include: the air mattress is normal-bed high, there are plenty of blankets, and I'm less than a block from the El (okay, maybe that's a caveat too, I'm used to the sound of trains). Linda --- Linda Ballinger Principal Cataloging Librarian Newberry Library Chicago, IL
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That sounds like a good option as well. My suggestion was just a suggestion. If we have numbers we want to meet, though, on any diversity axis you choose, then I think we ought to be explicit with those numbers and to take concrete action to achieve them. Besides the scholarships, there hasn't been much action. There's mostly just been perennial hand wringing. I think we can approximate how serious the community is about these issues by observing the amount of action, not the amount of talk. /dev On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the most effective way to diversify the audience would be to diversify the program. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote: If the numbers are not what we want them to be, if the percentage has plateaued or regressed, then I don't think it's enough to be merely concerned, even if we're extremely concerned. There are actions we can take to make sure the numbers are exactly what we want them be, or very close. For instance, we can make it so that a male registration opens up for each female that registers. That may be difficult for Francis to make happen for this year, but we should consider making it a requirement for future organizers. /dev On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. The issue is less about where the number is now than where it's going (and how quickly). Is our (completely hypothetical) 17% up from 2006 (or whenever), when Code4lib started? If so, then I'm less inclined to panic about the statistics and just continue working towards making the community amenable to more groups. If it has plateaued or regressed, then, yes, we need to be extremely concerned. -Ross. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Sent from my GMail account. -- Sent from my GMail account.
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-Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ross Singer Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:50 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] It seems to me that the most effective way to diversify the audience would be to diversify the program. -Ross. I'm just the peanut gallery (having never attended Code4Lib) but it seems to me that a useful analogue to programming/tech conferences -- which Code4Lib surely is -- would be conferences aimed at professional nurses. Do those conference organizers take measures to increase the number of male attendees? If so, what do they do? Just throwing ideas out there, Steve Huwig
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Salvete! James++ Chad++ After a few extremely icky incredibly stoopid conversations I've had within our otherwise lovely field populated by mostly smart people, it is with great trepidation that I enter publicly into this fray. I'm mainly doing so since I like you folks. People that don't like what I have to say can bite my shiny metal arse. [0] How do we know that our presenters are white? Did we ask folks to self identify after giving their talks? Before? Or, perish the thought, are we using the Scott Brown test? I really dunno, since I haven't presented at your Conference. (Or even attended.) I was fortunate enough to have a clerk that self identified black but looked like Barbie. Folks tended to treat her as if she were very confused until they met her father. So if we're not actually asking, perhaps we are wrong in our aessessments. I think it's a happy thing that this conversation started up, but please tread with care. Statistics are great, but if we just look at the numbers, we might just be perpetuating the self perpetuating problem. If you want to improve your climate, then shoot for a reflection of society in general. Discussing issues important to minorities is still the best way to get folks interested and involved. There was a question posed at the very beginning of the Wikimania conference in DC that caused me to approach the person that had asked it. That person then held my hand, sometimes in a truly awkward and embarrassing fashion, for the entirety of the conference and beyond. I couldn't help but feel completely welcomed for most of Conference despite being a n00b. The oddest part of that group was that the folks I ought to have felt most welcome around I felt alienated me the most. [0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRnq-PFboMI Cheers, Brooke
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
Bess, Same for me - can't go to the conference, but definitely willing to help. What a great idea! 1+ Cheers, Sarah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: November-26-12 5:55 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib? Bess++ Not going to the conf this year, but very willing to pitch in on this Carol On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Michael J. Giarlo leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu wrote: bess++ Let's do this. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Timothy A. Lepczyk timlepc...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for bringing this up, Bess. +1 * * * Timothy A. Lepczyk* Digital Humanities Pedagogy Fellow Hendrix College On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Mark A. Matienzo mark.matie...@gmail.comwrote: OK - to start, I've created a Github repo to help with drafting a policy: https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy There's just a README there now with a bunch of resources. I'll try to add more content there later this evening. Mark
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Here's something that came up during the program committee meeting. While I understand why code4lib has traditionally decided on the program purely by voting, would the community support leaving maybe a couple of slots for the program committee to decide sessions? perhaps with the explicit goal to help diversify the program: whether it be by gender, ethnicity, technology/tool, point of view (e.g someone outside library/archives), etc. People tend to vote for their interest and what is familiar to them, that's only natural, but at past Access conferences for example, I have found some that I never would've voted (just based off of a description) as some of the most interesting talks I've seen. Sometimes it's the topic, sometimes it's the presenter, regardless, if we want to diversify, it's a small step to take, but one I think we should at least consider for code4libcon 2014.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw themselves as techies, and the women as helpers -- even though the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology are often considered to be not doing technology because they are women. [1] So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library technology departments there are many invisible women. Sadly, women will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) kc [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874 It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
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Cynthia++ If something like this were implemented, maybe waiting until after the voting was done would be helpful. Diversify the program by looking at what was selected in voting and then filling gaps as perceived by the program committee. And/or having the committee/group/whatever it is that's working on a policy now participate in that process. Anyway, just my two cents. Joe Montibello, MLIS Library Systems Manager Dartmouth College Library 603.646.9394 joseph.montibe...@dartmouth.edu On 11/27/12 11:14 AM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote: Here's something that came up during the program committee meeting. While I understand why code4lib has traditionally decided on the program purely by voting, would the community support leaving maybe a couple of slots for the program committee to decide sessions? perhaps with the explicit goal to help diversify the program: whether it be by gender, ethnicity, technology/tool, point of view (e.g someone outside library/archives), etc. People tend to vote for their interest and what is familiar to them, that's only natural, but at past Access conferences for example, I have found some that I never would've voted (just based off of a description) as some of the most interesting talks I've seen. Sometimes it's the topic, sometimes it's the presenter, regardless, if we want to diversify, it's a small step to take, but one I think we should at least consider for code4libcon 2014.
[CODE4LIB] Job: Timothy Leary Papers—Digital Archival Processing Internship at New York Public Library
External Overview: The Manuscripts and Archives Division is offering an internship to aid the Digital and Project Archivists for the Timothy Leary Papers for the fall term to students from a Master's program in librarianship, archival studies, or preservation with an interest in the born digital materials in the papers. The Papers document the life of Timothy Francis Leary (b. 1920, d. 1996), American psychologist and Harvard professor, who, through his studies regarding the use of psilocybin and LSD, went on to become an advocate for mind-altering drugs, eastern philosophy, sexual liberation, cyberspace and the cyberpunk genre. He was a prolific writer, lecturer, and counterculture icon (1960s - 1990s). The Papers contain material from notable figures, such as Richard Alpert (aka Ram Dass), William S. Burroughs, David Bryne, Larry Flynt, Allen Ginsberg, Keith Haring, Gerald Heard, Abbie and Anita Hoffman, Albert Hofmann, Aldous and Laura Huxley, Jack Kerouac, Art Kleps, and G. Gorden Liddy. The Papers include over a hundred floppy disks created or collected by Leary in a variety of formats. External Responsibilities: The digital intern for the Timothy Leary Papers will assist the Digital Archivist in performing preservation imaging of removable media and the extraction and analysis of metadata from the created images. The intern will also work with the Project Archivist of the Leary papers in making appraisal and description recommendations on the materials using digital forensics tools and technologies. The digital archives intern may assist in the imaging and processing of other collections being processed in the Manuscripts Archives Division. The ideal candidate for the digital internship will have a thorough understanding of archival theory, familiarity with aspects of computer sciences as they relate to archives (metadata, databases etc.) and must be extremely detailed oriented. External Qualifications: Hours Requirements Timeframe: 120 hours over 12 weeks Schedule: 10 hours per week (All interns must commit to schedule at least four hours on one day; otherwise hours are flexible). Working hours: Monday - Friday: 9:00am - 5:00pm. This is an unpaid internship that may be used for credit toward a Master's Degree in a Library Science program. Internships need not be taken for credit. All students must be currently enrolled. Attendance at an orientation session is required. Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/4690/
[CODE4LIB] Job: Digital Archives Specialist at Abilene Christian University
Nonexempt/Full time For the purposes of ACU's Background Check and Self-Reporting Policy, this position is classified as security sensitive. The key principles of this job are to: Support ACU's Mission: Educate students for Christian service and leadership throughout the world. Support ACU's 21st Century Vision: By 2020, ACU will become the premier university for the education of Christ-centered, global leaders. Scope: The Digital Archives Specialist executes the plan of work developed and directed by the Associate Dean of Digital Initiatives, Special Collections, and University Archives to provide access through the West Texas Digital Archive to rare books and archival materials held in ACU's Special Collections in service to teaching and learning. Reports to the Associate Dean of Digital Initiatives, Special Collections, and University Archives. This position is grant funded, renewable annually for up to three years, with the possibility of extension. I. Basic Responsibilities A. Manages West Texas Digital Archive projects for ACU. B. Trains and supervises library student workers assigned to WTDA projects. C. Other duties as assigned, including support for preservation, research, and teaching related to digital archives at ACU. II. Essential Duties include the following Other duties may be assigned. Reasonable accommodations may be made to enable individuals to perform the essential functions. A. Manages and carries out collection preparation and digitization B. Executes metadata creation, revision, and curation C. Coordinates uploading of ACU projects with ALC staff D. Arranges reciprocal digitization services with ALC members as required E. Coordinates the creation of catalog records for WTDA with ACU Technical Services F. Cooperates with colleagues to enhance the visibility and usefulness of digital archives in the digital teaching and learning environment. G. Provides timely, helpful, and friendly assistance for researchers using ACU collections H. Provides supervision, mentoring, training, and scheduling of student workers toward the accomplishment of the above goals III. Professional Development Requirements A. Skills Proficiency with ordinary office software and mobile technology Demonstrated proficiency in interacting with readers and researchers in a friendly, professional manner Facility in use of social media and/or podcasting as instructional media B. Training Modules Required Orientation to Special Collections PastPerfect archival management software Introduction to Archival principles, policies procedures Training in procedures for all aspects of managing ACU's collections in WTDA, including repository interface and metadata standards. IV. Qualifications ACU is affiliated with the fellowship of the Church of Christ. This position requires the employee to be a professing Christian and to be willing to support the Christian mission of ACU. A. Professional Bachelor's degree from an accredited college or university (required). Graduate or professional training in history, library science, language, archives, pedagogy, web design/marketing, or divinity (preferred). Two years' experience as an employee, intern, student worker, or researcher in a library, museum, Familiarity with or academic training in the history and culture of the Stone-Campbell religious reform movement (preferred). B. Personal High degree of organizational ability and efficiency. Ability to pay attention to numerous details. Approachable; enjoys understanding and adapting to information and educational needs in a variety of access situations. Friendly, collaborative, and forthright habits of communication Good work habits, such as punctuality, neatness, responsibility. V. Physical Demands A. Working at computer screen for most of the day. B. Tolerating a physical environment that is cooler than usual. C. Not excessively allergic to paper, inks, bindings, or similar items. D. Can lift up to 20 pounds. Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/4691/
[CODE4LIB] Job: Head, Cataloging/Metadata at American University in Cairo
Founded in 1919, AUC moved to a new 270-acre state-of-the-art campus in New Cairo in 2008. The University also operates in its historic downtown facilities, offering cultural events, graduate classes, and continuing education. Student housing is available in both downtown Zamalek and New Cairo. Among the premier universities in the region, AUC is Middle States accredited; its Engineering programs are accredited by ABET and the Management program is accredited by AACSB. AUC is an English-medium institution; eighty- five percent of the students are Egyptian and the rest include students from nearly ninety countries, principally from the Middle East, Africa and North America. Faculty salary and rank are based on qualifications and professional experience. All faculty receive generous benefits, from AUC tuition to access to research funding; expatriate faculty also receive relocation benefits including housing, annual home leave, and tuition assistance for school age children. Job Description: The American University in Cairo Libraries and Learning Technologies (LLT) is seeking an innovative and experienced Head, Cataloging to help guide the Library's Cataloging/Metadata Department in designing, implementing, and assessing a wide range of processes to provide access to the Library's scholarly resources in all formats. Working closely with and reporting to the Director for Collections, the Head, Cataloging/Metadata will play a key role in implementing the strategic vision of the cataloging department. The Head of Cataloging/Metadata will be responsible for the implementation of RDA and leads in local implementation of changes in national standards, rules, and best practices. Position will evaluate and make recommendations for web interface improvements in close collaboration with Automated System and Research and Information Services. Through the management of and quality control in the Cataloging/Metadata Department, sets priorities, allocates resources, and develops plans, policies and practices within the department and designs and develops new workflows in all areas of library resource materials along with department heads. Requirements: The candidate must have an ALA-accredited MLS, or international equivalent; at least five years' in academic library technical services and familiarity with the cataloging and associated modules of the Innovative Millennium integrated library system. Knowledge of relevant cataloging standards and guidelines (RDA, AACRII, MARC 21 formats, LC classification, LCSH bibliographic and authority formats, Dublin Core, MODS); working knowledge of bibliographic utilities and familiarity with authority and database enrichment vendors. Professional understanding and knowledge of non-MARC metadata schemas, standards, best practices, and their applications such as Dublin Core and EAD. A second Masters degree, working knowledge of other languages, and experience in a multicultural environment are highly desirable but not mandatory. Additional Information: This is a Faculty appointment at the rank of Instructor. The position will remain open until filled. Preferred starting date is February 1, 2013. Full description and requirements of the position are at http://library.aucegypt.edu/about/employment.htm Application Instructions: All applicants must submit the following documents online: a) a current C.V; b) a letter of interest; c) a completed Personal Information Form; d) at least three reference letters from referees familiar with your professional background sent directly to llt...@aucegypt.edu. Note: Please remember that your account login enables you to respond to AUC additional questions (if required). Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/4692/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like surveys). Simple survey with two questions: 1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community 2) What is your self-identified gender I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the questions and then share findings next week. Thoughts? Rosalyn On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw themselves as techies, and the women as helpers -- even though the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology are often considered to be not doing technology because they are women. [1] So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library technology departments there are many invisible women. Sadly, women will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) kc [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/**9392874http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
[CODE4LIB] Job: Staff / Systems Assistant at The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy
The Edwin Ginn Library provides collections, services and technology that anticipate and meet the research and instructional needs of The Fletcher School. The Library maintains a research and study environment conducive to exploration, discovery and knowledge creation. Ginn Library is also responsible for all aspects of information technology at The Fletcher School including desktop support, technology instruction, classrooms and lab computing. The Staff/Systems Assistant for Ginn Library/IT works in support of the Library and Information Technology functions of The Fletcher School, manages the day to day operations of the office; ensures overall functionality of office and library public computers and other equipment; and acts as liaison to facilities and maintenance departments. Performs clerical tasks and recordkeeping associated with student employment, travel, orders and invoices, monthly financial summaries, filing, mail, office supplies, payroll and budget cycle reporting. Works with all Library/IT staff to plan, publicize and implement programs and events. Acts as a resource for faculty, staff and students in troubleshooting issues with computers in the library and in Fletcher classrooms, and coordinates support efforts collaboratively with the Assistant Director for Information Technology and other campus IT units as needed. As a key contact with library users and vendors, the Staff/Systems Assistant provides exceptional customer service and builds productive relationships over time. Basic Requirements: High school diploma/GED. Two (2) years of related experience. Strong proficiency in Microsoft Office and ability/interest in learning new computer applications. Ability to troubleshoot computers, printers and other computer/office equipment. Ability to manage administrative tasks with frequent interruptions. Strong organizational, communication and customer service skills. Must be detail- oriented and able to prioritize to meet deadlines. Flexibility and enthusiasm for learning new skills and contributing to successfully carrying out the mission of the library and IT organization. Ability to lift up to 50 lbs. Preferred Qualifications: Bachelor's degree or equivalent. Experience with PeopleSoft financial and human resources. Previous experience working in a library setting. Previous experience providing IT support. Experience producing signage and publicity materials. Special Work Schedule Requirements: Occasional early morning or evening hours. Occasional weekend shifts. Tufts University is an AA/EO employer and actively seeks candidates from diverse backgrounds. Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/4698/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
A friend of mine is one of the principals behind The Survey for People Who Make Websites from A List Apart: http://aneventapart.com/alasurvey2011/00.html Is that the sort of thing we'd like to do? If so, I can get some insights from him about how he develops, organizes, and runs the survey. Peter On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw themselves as techies, and the women as helpers -- even though the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology are often considered to be not doing technology because they are women. [1] So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library technology departments there are many invisible women. Sadly, women will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) kc [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874 It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Peter Murray Assistant Director, Technology Services Development LYRASIS peter.mur...@lyrasis.org +1 678-235-2955 1438 West Peachtree Street NW Suite 200 Atlanta, GA 30309 Toll Free: 800.999.8558 Fax: 404.892.7879 www.lyrasis.org LYRASIS: Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
Hi Rosalyn, Love the survey idea. I would be happy to help with sorting the results after. A few questions: (a) Is the survey going to be only for women to take or all? I am assuming it is for all? (b) May I also suggest adding a few more questions to garner insight about real problems? 3) What do you think hinders the active participation by women in C4L? Or what did make 'you' less inclined to participate in C4L in the past (if you are a woman)? 4) What would you like to see as a result of more participation by women in C4L? ~Bohyun -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Rosalyn Metz Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:47 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like surveys). Simple survey with two questions: 1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community 2) What is your self-identified gender I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the questions and then share findings next week. Thoughts? Rosalyn On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw themselves as techies, and the women as helpers -- even though the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology are often considered to be not doing technology because they are women. [1] So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library technology departments there are many invisible women. Sadly, women will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) kc [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/**9392874http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
Rosalyn, That could be interesting, but the real issue would be to compare those results with actual employment results. The members of c4l are self-selected and won't be representative of the actual worker-bee situation. (e.g. it will be heavily weighted for academic libraries, I bet). kc On 11/27/12 8:46 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like surveys). Simple survey with two questions: 1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community 2) What is your self-identified gender I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the questions and then share findings next week. Thoughts? Rosalyn On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw themselves as techies, and the women as helpers -- even though the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology are often considered to be not doing technology because they are women. [1] So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library technology departments there are many invisible women. Sadly, women will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) kc [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/**9392874http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
I think a good code is Try not to be an asshole. You can but try. Never-the-less, I feel it mitigates the need for an angry god and makes the 10 commandments redundant. Anyway, thanks to Bess for raising the issue. I think all of you have made a great start. I think there are more than enough volunteers already, but I would contribute if you need me. Using Github seems like a good way to garner support and endorsement of the final policy. I've added it to my starred list to show my support. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: On 11/26/12 4:37 PM, Joe Hourcle wrote: Don't be an asshole. Could that become the 11th commandment, and could we get a really really angry god to enforce it? Everywhere, all of the time? kc I think there was a second line of it, about how we had the right to remove people who refused to follow that advice and no refunds would be given. I might be wrong on the exact language. The e-mail I found referenced 'Don't be a dick', in an attempt to paraphrase the legalese of the Code of Conduct for our venue ... but the reference to gender-specific anatomy would be kinda sexist in itself. -Joe -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
[CODE4LIB] I 3 code4lib
sorry if I sent this twice, I think it got lost the first time. YET AGAIN I am totally blown away by how amazing this community is. I am utterly sincere when I say that you people give me hope for the world. Because let me tell you, there are communities where that suggestion would not have been welcomed enthusiastically. And instead, in true code4lib style, we had a democratic decision making process, some proposed solutions which are emerging over time with input from many, swarmed tactical response (with version control! and resources for further study! see: github.com/code4lib), and witty commentary and signal boosting on irc and twitter. We have created a community of practice here that really works, in so many ways, and best yet has shown a willingness to get even better. I am so proud, and so happy, and so thankful to be a member of this community. Thank you, code4lib. Bess Begin forwarded message: From: lists...@listserv.nd.edu Date: November 26, 2012 2:16:24 PM PST To: Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com Subject: Your message dated Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:16:25 -0800 with subject Your message dated Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:16:25 -0800 with subject anti-harassment policy for code4lib? has been successfully distributed to the CODE4LIB list (2197 recipients).
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
Peter, again I worry about this being self-selecting. People who report on surveys are the people who report on surveys. A code4lib survey would be nice, but I'm really interested in on the ground troops. And I think the questions would have to be specific to what one does: - installs and fixes equipment - runs updates/backups on ILS - writes scripts - writes code - manages local network - modifies ILS tables for local customization - creates web pages - makes decisions on tech purchasing - supervises staff that runs ILS/local network Well, that's probably a stupid list, but a smarter list could be made. In other words, I would want what you actually do to define whether you are a techie -- not whether you consider yourself a techie (many women demean their own skills -- Oh, I just push a few buttons). [1] I'd like to see it be very broad, and later we can decide if we think modifying ILS tables counts as being a real techie. kc [1] For painful reading: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/28257411 The letters of Ada Lovelace. On 11/27/12 8:50 AM, Peter Murray wrote: A friend of mine is one of the principals behind The Survey for People Who Make Websites from A List Apart: http://aneventapart.com/alasurvey2011/00.html Is that the sort of thing we'd like to do? If so, I can get some insights from him about how he develops, organizes, and runs the survey. Peter On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw themselves as techies, and the women as helpers -- even though the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology are often considered to be not doing technology because they are women. [1] So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library technology departments there are many invisible women. Sadly, women will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) kc [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874 It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
Sorry all. The original question posed by Chad was whether or not we should be concerned about the number of women presenters at Code4Lib. I countered with a Dunno? How many women are in the community? If the survey finds that the number of women that proposed a talk = number of women in the community then we might want another survey to focus on why women aren't in this community -- at which point we would be aiming the survey at a different group of people. If the survey finds that the number of women that proposed a talk number of women in the community then we might want another survey to focus on why women aren't getting involved in this community -- at which point we would be aiming the survey just at this list. So the survey I propose first seeks to take a look at gender demographics. Once we know that, then we can do more. Make sense? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlSv4SUYWo On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Rosalyn, That could be interesting, but the real issue would be to compare those results with actual employment results. The members of c4l are self-selected and won't be representative of the actual worker-bee situation. (e.g. it will be heavily weighted for academic libraries, I bet). kc On 11/27/12 8:46 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like surveys). Simple survey with two questions: 1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community 2) What is your self-identified gender I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the questions and then share findings next week. Thoughts? Rosalyn On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw themselves as techies, and the women as helpers -- even though the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology are often considered to be not doing technology because they are women. [1] So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library technology departments there are many invisible women. Sadly, women will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) kc [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/**9392874 http://www.worldcat.**org/oclc/9392874http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
[CODE4LIB]
I did back-of-envelope math last year, based on the attendees list, and my calculations showed that 54 out of 244 attendees were female, so about 22%. This # is surely off as there were about 25 names that I was unable to put a gender with. I counted these as male to get a conservative estimate. I believe this to be an increase from previous years, or perhaps comparable to 2011. I'd guess all 3 percentages (attendees, proposals, presenters) have been steadily increasing at pace since 2006. We can probably estimate that the 2012 conf was 22% women, 2013 proposers were 16% women, and presenters will be 12% women. It would be interesting to do a longitudinal study of all 3 numbers and some nifty data vis alongside results of the survey being discussed. In addition to increasingly all 3 numbers, our goal should also be reducing the (albeit slight) discrepancy across the ratios. -Corey On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Bohyun Kim k...@fiu.edu wrote: By any chance, do we have the numbers of the previous code4lib conference attendees by the female/male ratio? ~Bohyun By any chance, do we have the numbers of the previous code4lib conference attendees by the female/male ratio? From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Ross Singer [rossfsin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:20 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. The issue is less about where the number is now than where it's going (and how quickly). Is our (completely hypothetical) 17% up from 2006 (or whenever), when Code4lib started? If so, then I'm less inclined to panic about the statistics and just continue working towards making the community amenable to more groups. If it has plateaued or regressed, then, yes, we need to be extremely concerned. -Ross. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Corey A Harper Metadata Services Librarian New York University Libraries 20 Cooper Square, 3rd Floor New York, NY 10003-7112 212.998.2479 corey.har...@nyu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
These are all interesting questions, but mostly, COME BACK TO THE CHANNEL AND THE CON, ROSY. :-) On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry all. The original question posed by Chad was whether or not we should be concerned about the number of women presenters at Code4Lib. I countered with a Dunno? How many women are in the community? If the survey finds that the number of women that proposed a talk = number of women in the community then we might want another survey to focus on why women aren't in this community -- at which point we would be aiming the survey at a different group of people. If the survey finds that the number of women that proposed a talk number of women in the community then we might want another survey to focus on why women aren't getting involved in this community -- at which point we would be aiming the survey just at this list. So the survey I propose first seeks to take a look at gender demographics. Once we know that, then we can do more. Make sense? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlSv4SUYWo On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Rosalyn, That could be interesting, but the real issue would be to compare those results with actual employment results. The members of c4l are self-selected and won't be representative of the actual worker-bee situation. (e.g. it will be heavily weighted for academic libraries, I bet). kc On 11/27/12 8:46 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: Ok since I brought up our demographics I'll run the survey (I like surveys). Simple survey with two questions: 1) Do you consider yourself part of the Code4Lib Community 2) What is your self-identified gender I'll send it out at the end of today if there are no objections to the questions and then share findings next week. Thoughts? Rosalyn On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw themselves as techies, and the women as helpers -- even though the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology are often considered to be not doing technology because they are women. [1] So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library technology departments there are many invisible women. Sadly, women will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) kc [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874 http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/**9392874 http://www.worldcat.**org/oclc/9392874 http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
[CODE4LIB]
Normally a lurker, but I thought I'd point out that this is how SxSW Interactive works. Voting is one part of the decision-making process, but organizers have a lot of latitude to adjust the results to get the best diversity of presentations. They also leave some slots free for late-breaking developments and fill those solely at the discretion of the organizers and director. Danielle Cunniff Plumer dcplumer associates On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Joseph Montibello joseph.montibe...@dartmouth.edu wrote: Cynthia++ If something like this were implemented, maybe waiting until after the voting was done would be helpful. Diversify the program by looking at what was selected in voting and then filling gaps as perceived by the program committee. And/or having the committee/group/whatever it is that's working on a policy now participate in that process. Anyway, just my two cents. Joe Montibello, MLIS Library Systems Manager Dartmouth College Library 603.646.9394 joseph.montibe...@dartmouth.edu On 11/27/12 11:14 AM, Cynthia Ng cynthia.s...@gmail.com wrote: Here's something that came up during the program committee meeting. While I understand why code4lib has traditionally decided on the program purely by voting, would the community support leaving maybe a couple of slots for the program committee to decide sessions? perhaps with the explicit goal to help diversify the program: whether it be by gender, ethnicity, technology/tool, point of view (e.g someone outside library/archives), etc. People tend to vote for their interest and what is familiar to them, that's only natural, but at past Access conferences for example, I have found some that I never would've voted (just based off of a description) as some of the most interesting talks I've seen. Sometimes it's the topic, sometimes it's the presenter, regardless, if we want to diversify, it's a small step to take, but one I think we should at least consider for code4libcon 2014.
[CODE4LIB] How to configure subdomain hosting without domain hosting?
I'm trying to get a subdomain of my university's domain pointed at content on a cheapie hosting account. To do this, I can get main campus to put in a CNAME record with the IP address matching where the DNS for my cheapie hosting account is currently located in the cheapie hosting company's system. The problem is, this IP will periodically change, meaning main campus IT will have to be involved periodically down the line in order to cut and paste the new IP into their system, and meaning that the hosted services could go unavailable for a few days when this happens. The main campus uses GoDaddy's DNS which is set in stone, and the cheapie hosting in question is Dreamhost but any other cheapie service would do. Am I doing this the hard way? *How would you go about getting a subdomain of your university's URL to point at your cheapie webhosting account? * Subdomain forwarding with masking then storing content at a random URL but having it appear to be on the university's subdomain does not work, because this causes problems responding to XML queries. I am able to run a server in my office or the building with a static IP, but I don't want content to live on an in-house server. Could I use this to catch things coming to the IP, then redirect to the cheapie hosting account? Is there a way to go from GoDaddy's DNS management system to point at the nameservers for the cheapie hosting company, the same way you would do to host a domain? -Wilhelmina Randtke
Re: [CODE4LIB] [WEB4LIB] How to configure subdomain hosting without domain hosting?
If I understand things correctly: If your cheapie hosting account has a static domain name, set up a cname from your university domain to your cheapie domain. cname is usually used for domain to domain translation, A records are used for domain to IP address translation. Louis. On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: I'm trying to get a subdomain of my university's domain pointed at content on a cheapie hosting account. To do this, I can get main campus to put in a CNAME record with the IP address matching where the DNS for my cheapie hosting account is currently located in the cheapie hosting company's system. The problem is, this IP will periodically change, meaning main campus IT will have to be involved periodically down the line in order to cut and paste the new IP into their system, and meaning that the hosted services could go unavailable for a few days when this happens. The main campus uses GoDaddy's DNS which is set in stone, and the cheapie hosting in question is Dreamhost but any other cheapie service would do. Am I doing this the hard way? *How would you go about getting a subdomain of your university's URL to point at your cheapie webhosting account? * Subdomain forwarding with masking then storing content at a random URL but having it appear to be on the university's subdomain does not work, because this causes problems responding to XML queries. I am able to run a server in my office or the building with a static IP, but I don't want content to live on an in-house server. Could I use this to catch things coming to the IP, then redirect to the cheapie hosting account? Is there a way to go from GoDaddy's DNS management system to point at the nameservers for the cheapie hosting company, the same way you would do to host a domain? -Wilhelmina Randtke
[CODE4LIB] 2013 Code4lib Conference Registration (Change of time)
Looks like quite a few of you missed the change of Registration date. If you have registered today you did so on the Test Server and will need to register next week. Registration was moved to December 4th at noon Eastern Standard Time. regards, ./fxk -- Documentation is the castor oil of programming. Managers know it must be good because the programmers hate it so much.
Re: [CODE4LIB] How to configure subdomain hosting without domain hosting?
Wilhelmina Randtke writes I'm trying to get a subdomain of my university's domain pointed at content on a cheapie hosting account. To do this, I can get main campus to put in a CNAME record with the IP address matching where the DNS for my cheapie hosting account is currently located in the cheapie hosting company's system. The problem is, this IP will periodically change, meaning main campus IT will have to be involved periodically down the line in order to cut and paste the new IP into their system, and meaning that the hosted services could go unavailable for a few days when this happens. I am probably something missing here, as my experience is with root servers rather than web hosting. But I do know a bit about DNS. My expernienc suggests that once you have a CNAME, in BIND notation foo IN CNAME bar the name foo is replaced by name bar. There is no IP address involved. If bar changes changes IP address, the IP address of foo also changes. In fact, all record types attached to bar carry over to foo. So you can't say foo IN CNAME bar foo IN NS widget as the NS (nameserver) for foo is the same as the NS for bar, not widget. Am I doing this the hard way? You have not told us what you do. *How would you go about getting a subdomain of your university's URL to point at your cheapie webhosting account? * If your webhoster gives you a URL at http://randtke.webhoster.com your uni DNS can just say randtke IN CNAME randtke.webhoster.com. Subdomain forwarding with masking then storing content at a random URL but having it appear to be on the university's subdomain does not work, because this causes problems responding to XML queries. I don't understand that approach, so I suspect my answer is off the mark but it may still be helpful. Cheers, Thomas Krichelhttp://openlib.org/home/krichel http://authorprofile.org/pkr1 skype: thomaskrichel
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: Peter, again I worry about this being self-selecting. People who report on surveys are the people who report on surveys. A code4lib survey would be nice, but I'm really interested in on the ground troops. And I think the questions would have to be specific to what one does: - installs and fixes equipment - runs updates/backups on ILS - writes scripts - writes code - manages local network - modifies ILS tables for local customization - creates web pages - makes decisions on tech purchasing - supervises staff that runs ILS/local network Well, that's probably a stupid list, but a smarter list could be made. In other words, I would want what you actually do to define whether you are a techie -- not whether you consider yourself a techie (many women demean their own skills -- Oh, I just push a few buttons). [1] I'd like to see it be very broad, and later we can decide if we think modifying ILS tables counts as being a real techie. I admit, I'm no expert on surveys (I tried doing one once for a class ... got shut down for an IRB violation as I said I'd share the results back with the organization we were surveying ... which is pretty sad, as the organization I was surveying was the library school itself) ... but you could do a much larger survey, trying to get all people who work in libraries, and ask questions about specific IT-related tasks that they might be doing, even if they don't self-identify as IT. Of course, then you might miss those of us who don't work in libraries, but who may identify with this group. ... and make sure that whoever does it isn't at an academic institution, to avoid that IRB crap. -Joe
[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
On 11/27/12 10:35 AM, Joe Hourcle wrote: I admit, I'm no expert on surveys (I tried doing one once for a class ... got shut down for an IRB violation as I said I'd share the results back with the organization we were surveying ... which is pretty sad, as the organization I was surveying was the library school itself) ... but you could do a much larger survey, trying to get all people who work in libraries, and ask questions about specific IT-related tasks that they might be doing, even if they don't self-identify as IT. Of course, then you might miss those of us who don't work in libraries, but who may identify with this group. ... and make sure that whoever does it isn't at an academic institution, to avoid that IRB crap. -Joe Joe, what I was hoping for was not a survey where individuals report on themselves, but a statistical sample of libraries where the library reports on its staff. That avoid the self-image issue, and the selection that individual reporting on self entails. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
Maybe too late now but...gender is not a binary. There should be an Other option if we really are striving to be an inclusive community. -Eric On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: On 11/27/12 10:35 AM, Joe Hourcle wrote: I admit, I'm no expert on surveys (I tried doing one once for a class ... got shut down for an IRB violation as I said I'd share the results back with the organization we were surveying ... which is pretty sad, as the organization I was surveying was the library school itself) ... but you could do a much larger survey, trying to get all people who work in libraries, and ask questions about specific IT-related tasks that they might be doing, even if they don't self-identify as IT. Of course, then you might miss those of us who don't work in libraries, but who may identify with this group. ... and make sure that whoever does it isn't at an academic institution, to avoid that IRB crap. -Joe Joe, what I was hoping for was not a survey where individuals report on themselves, but a statistical sample of libraries where the library reports on its staff. That avoid the self-image issue, and the selection that individual reporting on self entails. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
Good point -- it would not be an census. I can't envision how we would do a census on such a large and diverse group. Perhaps others have thought about this and have suggestions. Peter On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Peter, again I worry about this being self-selecting. People who report on surveys are the people who report on surveys. A code4lib survey would be nice, but I'm really interested in on the ground troops. And I think the questions would have to be specific to what one does: - installs and fixes equipment - runs updates/backups on ILS - writes scripts - writes code - manages local network - modifies ILS tables for local customization - creates web pages - makes decisions on tech purchasing - supervises staff that runs ILS/local network Well, that's probably a stupid list, but a smarter list could be made. In other words, I would want what you actually do to define whether you are a techie -- not whether you consider yourself a techie (many women demean their own skills -- Oh, I just push a few buttons). [1] I'd like to see it be very broad, and later we can decide if we think modifying ILS tables counts as being a real techie. kc [1] For painful reading: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/28257411 The letters of Ada Lovelace. On 11/27/12 8:50 AM, Peter Murray wrote: A friend of mine is one of the principals behind The Survey for People Who Make Websites from A List Apart: http://aneventapart.com/alasurvey2011/00.html Is that the sort of thing we'd like to do? If so, I can get some insights from him about how he develops, organizes, and runs the survey. Peter On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: I would really like to see such a survey. I did one at my previous place of work, the California Digital Library (nee Division of Library Automation) where I worked for over 20 years. I had kept org charts and phone lists, and was able to see that over that span of two decades the tech staff (which was most everyone there since all we did was tech development) was from 2/3 to 3/4 female. But when I said this in front of a group of employees the men were startled. I'm guessing that they saw themselves as techies, and the women as helpers -- even though the DBA, the data designers, and many of the programmers were women. So it's not that there aren't women in technology, it's that the women in technology are often considered to be not doing technology because they are women. [1] So we should survey. I believe that we will find that in library technology departments there are many invisible women. Sadly, women will be more present in that environment for the wrong reasons -- mainly that it's lower paying and that men are more likely to get the higher paying industry jobs. (The University of California overall staff ratio is 65% female -- as perhaps many government agencies are.) kc [1] Must read: Joanna Russ. How to suppress women's writing. http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9392874 It's about writing but actually pertains to all activities. On 11/27/12 6:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Peter Murray Assistant Director, Technology Services Development LYRASIS peter.mur...@lyrasis.org +1 678-235-2955 1438 West Peachtree Street NW Suite 200 Atlanta, GA 30309 Toll Free: 800.999.8558 Fax: 404.892.7879 www.lyrasis.org LYRASIS: Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
blast. i thought that the self-identified portion of my wording would cover that
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
I'm not sure that would work. We aren't interested in library staff, we're interested in the CODE4LIB community, yes? My manager doesn't know all the lists I subscribe to, or the communities I consider myself a member of, so I don't see any way for a library to report reliably on behalf of its staff. Pretty much by definition, if you want to know demographics for a community, you have to ask the members directly. Not to mention the question of including and other option for gender -- a library isn't likely to be able to determine that for its staff :) Michele On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Joe, what I was hoping for was not a survey where individuals report on themselves, but a statistical sample of libraries where the library reports on its staff. That avoid the self-image issue, and the selection that individual reporting on self entails.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey + policy
Eric++ I was thinking the same thing. Along those lines: for the folks working on the draft policy - I'd like to suggest adding gender expression and gender identity to the mix of things we're not discriminating about. Language from the GLAAD Media Reference Guidehttp://www.glaad.org/document.doc?id=99: Gender Identity: One’s internal, personal sense of being a man or a woman (or a boy or a girl). For transgender people, their birth-assigned sex and their own internal sense of gender identity do not match. Gender Expression: External manifestation of one’s gender identity, usually expressed through “masculine,” “feminine” or gender-variant behavior, clothing, haircut, voice or body characteristics. -Ken -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Phetteplace Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:01 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey Maybe too late now but...gender is not a binary. There should be an Other option if we really are striving to be an inclusive community. -Eric On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.netmailto:li...@kcoyle.net wrote: On 11/27/12 10:35 AM, Joe Hourcle wrote: I admit, I'm no expert on surveys (I tried doing one once for a class ... got shut down for an IRB violation as I said I'd share the results back with the organization we were surveying ... which is pretty sad, as the organization I was surveying was the library school itself) ... but you could do a much larger survey, trying to get all people who work in libraries, and ask questions about specific IT-related tasks that they might be doing, even if they don't self-identify as IT. Of course, then you might miss those of us who don't work in libraries, but who may identify with this group. ... and make sure that whoever does it isn't at an academic institution, to avoid that IRB crap. -Joe Joe, what I was hoping for was not a survey where individuals report on themselves, but a statistical sample of libraries where the library reports on its staff. That avoid the self-image issue, and the selection that individual reporting on self entails. kc -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.netmailto:kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
To our dear dear lurking friends, We would also like you to take the survey. I put the Do you consider yourself a part of the Code4Lib community. question in the survey because I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh say my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the community. I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now Michael Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos to yeses. :) A former lurker On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey + policy
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Ken Irwin kir...@wittenberg.edu wrote: Along those lines: for the folks working on the draft policy - I'd like to suggest adding gender expression and gender identity to the mix of things we're not discriminating about. Ken, Thanks - I've incorporated your change into this pull request: https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/pull/11 Cheers, Mark
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list You have attended a Code4Lib conference You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time You have a registered account on code4lib.org You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal You follow planet.code4lib.org You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's community takes a lot of forms, don't feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: To our dear dear lurking friends, We would also like you to take the survey. I put the Do you consider yourself a part of the Code4Lib community. question in the survey because I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh say my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the community. I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now Michael Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos to yeses. :) A former lurker On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
I would add the following: You have attended a regional code4lib meetup (such as code4lib North) Cheers, Warren (who will now slink back into lurking mode) On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list You have attended a Code4Lib conference You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time You have a registered account on code4lib.org You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal You follow planet.code4lib.org You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's community takes a lot of forms, don't feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: To our dear dear lurking friends, We would also like you to take the survey. I put the Do you consider yourself a part of the Code4Lib community. question in the survey because I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh say my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the community. I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now Michael Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos to yeses. :) A former lurker On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming link from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community member. Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their role. Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and ask if the person did them. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list You have attended a Code4Lib conference You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time You have a registered account on code4lib.org You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal You follow planet.code4lib.org You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's community takes a lot of forms, don't feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: To our dear dear lurking friends, We would also like you to take the survey. I put the Do you consider yourself a part of the Code4Lib community. question in the survey because I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh say my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the community. I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now Michael Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos to yeses. :) A former lurker On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
[CODE4LIB]
Anecdotal only, but there are a LOT more women (both in numbers and proportionally) in code4lib than there were in, say, 2004. We weren't counting back then, alas. Our community is clearly doing a lot to move in the direction of inclusiveness. A lot of that happens in one-on-one interactions, which is part of what can make conferences so amazing. Bess On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Corey A Harper corey.har...@nyu.edu wrote: I did back-of-envelope math last year, based on the attendees list, and my calculations showed that 54 out of 244 attendees were female, so about 22%. This # is surely off as there were about 25 names that I was unable to put a gender with. I counted these as male to get a conservative estimate. I believe this to be an increase from previous years, or perhaps comparable to 2011. I'd guess all 3 percentages (attendees, proposals, presenters) have been steadily increasing at pace since 2006. We can probably estimate that the 2012 conf was 22% women, 2013 proposers were 16% women, and presenters will be 12% women. It would be interesting to do a longitudinal study of all 3 numbers and some nifty data vis alongside results of the survey being discussed. In addition to increasingly all 3 numbers, our goal should also be reducing the (albeit slight) discrepancy across the ratios. -Corey On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Bohyun Kim k...@fiu.edu wrote: By any chance, do we have the numbers of the previous code4lib conference attendees by the female/male ratio? ~Bohyun By any chance, do we have the numbers of the previous code4lib conference attendees by the female/male ratio? From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Ross Singer [rossfsin...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:20 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Rosalyn, If we are only 17% women, when we are subset of the broader Library community, which is majority women, then we are doing something wrong. And that deeper question, what do we need to do to encourage more women to participate in the community, to make the community as a whole appealing and safe, is the question I am really asking. I'm not entirely sure I agree with this. The issue is less about where the number is now than where it's going (and how quickly). Is our (completely hypothetical) 17% up from 2006 (or whenever), when Code4lib started? If so, then I'm less inclined to panic about the statistics and just continue working towards making the community amenable to more groups. If it has plateaued or regressed, then, yes, we need to be extremely concerned. -Ross. Chad On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: I think first we would need to do a survey of how many women are in the community. if it turns out that this community is only 17% women then we're on target. who knows, maybe we're actually 10% women and we're way above target. in which case the real question might be how do we get more women in tech. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Chad Nelson chadbnel...@gmail.com wrote: Ooops. Hit the wrong key. So, about our presenters... Is it a problem that only 4 of our 33 presenters are women? Or that only 16 of 95 proposers were women? Is there something this community needs to do to encourage more women to feel like they can and should speak / propose sessions? -- Corey A Harper Metadata Services Librarian New York University Libraries 20 Cooper Square, 3rd Floor New York, NY 10003-7112 212.998.2479 corey.har...@nyu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
Michele, I think there are two threads going on. One is looking at the gender make-up of the c4l community. But I was hoping to be able to compare that to the gender makeup of the library techie community in general. Because if we find that c4l is -- randomly -- 42% female, we don't know whether that is representative of the actual workers in libraries. In fact, by definition, it only represents c4l, and it's not terribly meaningful if we can't compare it to something. It means something different if 42% of techie workers in libraries are female, and it means something else if 75% of techie workers in libraries are female. And then, once all of the numbers are in, you have to figure out if it means anything at all, but we can worry about that later. kc On 11/27/12 11:23 AM, Michele R Combs wrote: I'm not sure that would work. We aren't interested in library staff, we're interested in the CODE4LIB community, yes? My manager doesn't know all the lists I subscribe to, or the communities I consider myself a member of, so I don't see any way for a library to report reliably on behalf of its staff. Pretty much by definition, if you want to know demographics for a community, you have to ask the members directly. Not to mention the question of including and other option for gender -- a library isn't likely to be able to determine that for its staff :) Michele On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Joe, what I was hoping for was not a survey where individuals report on themselves, but a statistical sample of libraries where the library reports on its staff. That avoid the self-image issue, and the selection that individual reporting on self entails. -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
There are other interesting things that could be done with a survey... one could ask Ross Warren's questions in addition to the simpler in community/not in community. Do women attend events and/or lurk on the list, but also not view themselves as a member of the community, more than men do? Deciding how to change the dynamics could be helped by answers to questions like this. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke rand...@gmail.comwrote: Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming link from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community member. Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their role. Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and ask if the person did them. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list You have attended a Code4Lib conference You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time You have a registered account on code4lib.org You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal You follow planet.code4lib.org You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's community takes a lot of forms, don't feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: To our dear dear lurking friends, We would also like you to take the survey. I put the Do you consider yourself a part of the Code4Lib community. question in the survey because I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh say my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the community. I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now Michael Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos to yeses. :) A former lurker On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey
karen do you have access to my surveymonkey account! On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Michele, I think there are two threads going on. One is looking at the gender make-up of the c4l community. But I was hoping to be able to compare that to the gender makeup of the library techie community in general. Because if we find that c4l is -- randomly -- 42% female, we don't know whether that is representative of the actual workers in libraries. In fact, by definition, it only represents c4l, and it's not terribly meaningful if we can't compare it to something. It means something different if 42% of techie workers in libraries are female, and it means something else if 75% of techie workers in libraries are female. And then, once all of the numbers are in, you have to figure out if it means anything at all, but we can worry about that later. kc On 11/27/12 11:23 AM, Michele R Combs wrote: I'm not sure that would work. We aren't interested in library staff, we're interested in the CODE4LIB community, yes? My manager doesn't know all the lists I subscribe to, or the communities I consider myself a member of, so I don't see any way for a library to report reliably on behalf of its staff. Pretty much by definition, if you want to know demographics for a community, you have to ask the members directly. Not to mention the question of including and other option for gender -- a library isn't likely to be able to determine that for its staff :) Michele On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Joe, what I was hoping for was not a survey where individuals report on themselves, but a statistical sample of libraries where the library reports on its staff. That avoid the self-image issue, and the selection that individual reporting on self entails. -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
[CODE4LIB] Job: Digital Archivist at Computer History Museum
The Computer History Museum, located in the heart of Silicon Valley, California, seeks an articulate, creative can-do individual for the Digital Archivist position. The Museum's mission is to preserve and present for posterity the artifacts and stories of the information age. This unique and exciting institution is home to one of the largest collections of computer-related artifacts in the world. Backed by leaders and innovators of the computer industry, the Museum brings computing history to life through its speaker series, exhibitions, oral histories and website. Position Summary The Digital Archivist is responsible for day to day management of the Museum's new digital repository. The Digital Archivist is responsible for the curation of born digital and digitized objects; playing a significant role in the accession, description and access to digital objects in the Museum's collection. The position requires an individual who is self-motivated and eager to learn and explore. The successful applicant will have a good base of understanding in a variety of technologies related to digital preservation and digital curation, and will keep abreast of new technical information and developments relating to the life cycle of digital objects. Responsibilities * Develop workflows and procedures, and aid in policy revisions, for the digital repository * Arrange, describe, preserve, and make accessible born-digital and digitized materials following archival practices * Help identify, evaluate, recommend, and implement appropriate hardware and software for digital preservation and digitization * Assist in planning and implementing digitization projects * Assist in infrastructure development, planning and support for long-term access to the digital collection * Create reports and other documentation about Museum's digital object collection * Take an active role in the Museum's social media endeavors and promoting the digital collection * Support Museum special events as needed * Other duties as assigned Required Qualifications, Attributes and Skills * Masters in Library Science, Museum Studies or Bachelor's in Computer Science * Two or more years professional experience working with digital objects in an archive, library, historical society or museum * Excellent written and oral communication skills * Knowledge of administrative, technical, structural and descriptive metadata standards such as Premis, EAD, METS, and MODS * Experience working on the management and preservation of digital objects * Expertise with relational databases and/or content management systems * Skill in coordinating resources and establishing priorities * Analytical problem-solving capabilities and technical knowledge * Knowledge of intellectual property issues * Detail-oriented and ability to be flexible * Ability to work both independently and collaboratively * Ability to work in a fast-paced environment and meet deadlines Preferred Qualifications, Attributes and Skills * Basic IT skills including an understanding of networking, MySQL, and Ubuntu * Experience with Archivematica or related digital repository management system * Familiarity with the reading and reformatting of obsolete digital media * Experience providing reference services * Experience working with volunteers and interns The Computer History Museum offers a competitive salary and benefits package including health, dental, vision and life insurance and is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Please send resume, cover letter and contact information for three references to: collectionsjobs (at) computerhistory.org by December 11, 2012. Brought to you by code4lib jobs: http://jobs.code4lib.org/job/4702/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Gender Survey
I'm pretty sure I said if you're unsure which means maybe you've never thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community' means. I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke rand...@gmail.com wrote: Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming link from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community member. Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their role. Otherwise the survey could just list all those things you said and ask if the person did them. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the community' and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you absolutely can say 'yes' in the survey: You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list You have attended a Code4Lib conference You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Lib conference You tried to attend a Code4Lib conference but didn't register in time You have a registered account on code4lib.org You have a registered account on wiki.code4lib.org You have submitted to or read the Code4lib journal You follow planet.code4lib.org You have been in the #code4lib IRC channel What I'm saying is that Code4Lib's community takes a lot of forms, don't feel you need to be a regular in the IRC channel or something. -Ross. On Nov 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: To our dear dear lurking friends, We would also like you to take the survey. I put the Do you consider yourself a part of the Code4Lib community. question in the survey because I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were separated from the random people that might take the survey -- like oh say my mom (I'm not kidding, she would take the survey if she saw it). But then I was reminded that I once thought I wasn't part of the community. I read the listserv all the time and then I decided to start a blog. And then I went to a conference where I gave a lightning talk. And now Michael Klein is yelling at me to come back to the conference and IRC chat room. So now my hope for that question is that folks like you -- who think they are just a lurker -- will take the survey and respond no to the first question. Then maybe we can figure out a way to turn some of those nos to yeses. :) A former lurker On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Rosalyn Metz rosalynm...@gmail.com wrote: Ok Folks, I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see what the gender breakdown is. Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday when we're all back to work and can have a lively discussion about what they mean. Expect a chart (I like charts in addition to surveys). Rosalyn P.S. can someone share on the twitters?
[CODE4LIB]
What makes it work for SXSW is that they have a formal organization -- an incorporated body, in fact -- that gives them the continuity and structure to do things that can be highly structured or ad hoc, depending on the need of the situation. They have to be this way because they are freakin' huge. It is the fact because they are so huge, and have so many presentation applications, that the organizers have this sort of latitude to pick and choose among the best candidates. Code4Lib is more like a collective: no central organization, only a loose set of guidelines, and, thankfully, a lot of engaged individuals with a good institutional memory to keep things on track (where the definition of on track itself is fairly mutable). We can be this way because we have intentionally kept the event small. It works, but it can be rocky. Would I alter my vote for a presentation due to data that indicated gender, ethnicity, age, whatever? (Probably not.) Might a presenter be a little weirded out that these variables were being included as part of the voting process. (Quite possibly.) Is it even legal to do so? (Dunno.) I don't think we're big enough that the SXSW approach of having a central organizational body make some discreet discretionary choices among the presentation finalists would actually work. In our context, who would that be anyway? To achieve the gender/ethnicity/age/whatever balance, they might have to sacrifice quality in the talks. Quota systems don't work when the pool is small. And given our open voting system, the people being passed over will not be happy. To me, the solution is not to winnow at the back end, but encourage diversity at the front end. I think we, as a group, have tended to do this. As Bess has said, our community is clearly doing a lot to move in the direction of inclusiveness. Tom On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM, danielle plumer dcplu...@gmail.comwrote: s
[CODE4LIB]
I agree with Tom. If you look at the links Andromeda sent earlier in this thread, both conference organizers reported dramatic increases in the number of under-represented presenters simply by 1) making the proposal authors anonymous during voting and 2) encouraging (and sometimes personally asking) under-represented programmers to submit proposals. Seems like an easy enough place to start, right? -Shaun On 11/27/12 4:26 PM, Tom Keays wrote: What makes it work for SXSW is that they have a formal organization -- an incorporated body, in fact -- that gives them the continuity and structure to do things that can be highly structured or ad hoc, depending on the need of the situation. They have to be this way because they are freakin' huge. It is the fact because they are so huge, and have so many presentation applications, that the organizers have this sort of latitude to pick and choose among the best candidates. Code4Lib is more like a collective: no central organization, only a loose set of guidelines, and, thankfully, a lot of engaged individuals with a good institutional memory to keep things on track (where the definition of on track itself is fairly mutable). We can be this way because we have intentionally kept the event small. It works, but it can be rocky. Would I alter my vote for a presentation due to data that indicated gender, ethnicity, age, whatever? (Probably not.) Might a presenter be a little weirded out that these variables were being included as part of the voting process. (Quite possibly.) Is it even legal to do so? (Dunno.) I don't think we're big enough that the SXSW approach of having a central organizational body make some discreet discretionary choices among the presentation finalists would actually work. In our context, who would that be anyway? To achieve the gender/ethnicity/age/whatever balance, they might have to sacrifice quality in the talks. Quota systems don't work when the pool is small. And given our open voting system, the people being passed over will not be happy. To me, the solution is not to winnow at the back end, but encourage diversity at the front end. I think we, as a group, have tended to do this. As Bess has said, our community is clearly doing a lot to move in the direction of inclusiveness. Tom On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM, danielle plumer dcplu...@gmail.comwrote: s -- Shaun D. Ellis Digital Library Interface Developer Firestone Library, Princeton University voice: 609.258.1698 | sha...@princeton.edu
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On 11/27/2012 4:46 PM, Shaun Ellis wrote: I agree with Tom. If you look at the links Andromeda sent earlier in this thread, both conference organizers reported dramatic increases in the number of under-represented presenters simply by 1) making the proposal authors anonymous during voting Hmm, is the proposal author a legitimate (or illegitimate) criteria to judge proposals on? I tend to think it's actually legitimate; there are some people I know will give a valuable presentation because of who they are, and others who's expertise I might trust on some topics but not others. I don't think this is illegitimate, and wouldn't want to take this information away from voters. We are, after all, voting not just on a topic, but on a topic to be presented by a certain person or people. (I would be quite fine with having some of the program decided upon by the program committee not by the voters at large though! Using a variety of criteria. In addition to issues of diversity in presenters, I think it could also in general improve the quality of presentations and topical diversity as well).
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I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
The problem with Try not to be an asshole. is that it is open to interpretation. Someone might try not to be an asshole and fail miserably. Google is more definite with don't be evil, but opinion varies as to whether they are much good at not being evil. I think that it is difficult to have a non-organization, and sometimes it takes more work than having actual governance. Cary On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: I think a good code is Try not to be an asshole. You can but try. Never-the-less, I feel it mitigates the need for an angry god and makes the 10 commandments redundant. Anyway, thanks to Bess for raising the issue. I think all of you have made a great start. I think there are more than enough volunteers already, but I would contribute if you need me. Using Github seems like a good way to garner support and endorsement of the final policy. I've added it to my starred list to show my support. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: On 11/26/12 4:37 PM, Joe Hourcle wrote: Don't be an asshole. Could that become the 11th commandment, and could we get a really really angry god to enforce it? Everywhere, all of the time? kc I think there was a second line of it, about how we had the right to remove people who refused to follow that advice and no refunds would be given. I might be wrong on the exact language. The e-mail I found referenced 'Don't be a dick', in an attempt to paraphrase the legalese of the Code of Conduct for our venue ... but the reference to gender-specific anatomy would be kinda sexist in itself. -Joe -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
[CODE4LIB]
I am not volunteering to write the voting mechanism for this, but what if we had two rounds of voting? 1. First round, anonymous (people who follow these things avidly would of course have read everyone's names on the wiki, but I think for most people not having the names listed means you have removed the names from consideration). We use the current system of assigning points. Once you've cast that ballot, then you get ballot 2: 2. The same ballot with the names present. You now have the opportunity to change your vote, if you want to. It might be because you didn't realize that person who secretly bores you was one of the speakers. It might be because what at first looked like just another talk about marc software sounds more compelling if its from someone who's never spoken before. I wonder if we might also set aside a separate competition for first time speakers? Say, 15% of the talks? Assuming that generally speaking, offering ways for early-career folks or those new to public speaking to participate is a good thing and would benefit diversity as a bonus. Bess On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu
[CODE4LIB]
I think that the idea of curation in the cause of diversity and balance is a good one. At this year's Internet Librarian, folks were, for the first time in my memory, taking note that the ratio of men to women among speakers was pretty much the inverse of the ratio of attendees, Cary On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
[CODE4LIB]
This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the existing resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful. I'm sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for more inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring. It would also be a way to directly engage minorities. Just a thought. Nathan On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu
[CODE4LIB]
+1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this one-on-one, but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the community, I would think. Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not only improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training needs. Bess On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman ntall...@gmail.com wrote: This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the existing resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful. I'm sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for more inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring. It would also be a way to directly engage minorities. Just a thought. Nathan On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu
[CODE4LIB]
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman ntall...@gmail.com wrote: This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in my network, but would really like to. My experience may not be representative, but over the years, this is the number one thing people have told me in private would help. If you want to get started but don't have sysadmin or programming experience, trying to figure out what's going on simply by turning to websites and books (even very good ones) is very intimidating. There is no substitute for just having someone help find the path. I favor this strongly and will make time for it. kyle
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Matt McCollow proposed something like this a while back. We have a page up and everything! But, it never got much traction. http://www.mail-archive.com/code4lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg14270.html http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Mentorship -nruest On 12-11-27 07:30 PM, Bess Sadler wrote: +1 to this idea. I have benefited tremendously over the years from kind people taking me under their wings. Many of us try to do this one-on-one, but some kind of introduction service would be a huge benefit for the community, I would think. Mentorship is a great example of a robust solution - a solution that addresses more than one problem at once. I suspect that this would not only improve our diversity as a community, it might also solve some tech leadership / succession planning problems and maybe expose some training needs. Bess On Nov 27, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Nathan Tallman ntall...@gmail.com wrote: This is a slightly different topic, but relates to Kelley's post: Does code4lib have a mentor program where more inexperienced geeks can pair up with someone to guide their development? I don't have anyone like that in my network, but would really like to. I don't mean to discount the existing resources on code4lib or this list, which both have been very useful. I'm sure I could just start by attending some of the conferences, but for more inexperienced people they can be a bit intimidating, albeit inspiring. It would also be a way to directly engage minorities. Just a thought. Nathan On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu -- -nruest
[CODE4LIB]
I am not thrilled with the idea of anonymous proposals as I think that goes against the openness non-organization that is code4lib. Also based on the numbers posted earlier it seems inputs are more of an issue then the voting. However, I love the idea of X number of presentations reserved for first time presenters. I don't know what the value of X should be but Bess's idea of 15% sounds good to me. I'd personally also like to see a limit to the number of talks someone can give or propose, but I know this has been brought up before and, at least in the past, there was not overwhelming support for this. Edward -- Edward M. Corrado On Nov 27, 2012, at 18:41, Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com wrote: I am not volunteering to write the voting mechanism for this, but what if we had two rounds of voting? 1. First round, anonymous (people who follow these things avidly would of course have read everyone's names on the wiki, but I think for most people not having the names listed means you have removed the names from consideration). We use the current system of assigning points. Once you've cast that ballot, then you get ballot 2: 2. The same ballot with the names present. You now have the opportunity to change your vote, if you want to. It might be because you didn't realize that person who secretly bores you was one of the speakers. It might be because what at first looked like just another talk about marc software sounds more compelling if its from someone who's never spoken before. I wonder if we might also set aside a separate competition for first time speakers? Say, 15% of the talks? Assuming that generally speaking, offering ways for early-career folks or those new to public speaking to participate is a good thing and would benefit diversity as a bonus. Bess On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu
[CODE4LIB]
I also think it is a good idea to reserve a certain number/percentage of speaking slots to first-time presenters. I also want to bring up (again) the issue of presenters presenting more than once. We are looking at a conference with 400 attendees -- 400! How can we justify having anyone on the podium more than once? I mean, seriously? I think we need to realize that we have grown to the point that we need more management than we have in the past. Remember that we also still have open-ended slots for lightning talks and breakouts. It isn't like I'm calling for the kind of strictness that ALA imposes. Roy On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Edward M Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.uswrote: I am not thrilled with the idea of anonymous proposals as I think that goes against the openness non-organization that is code4lib. Also based on the numbers posted earlier it seems inputs are more of an issue then the voting. However, I love the idea of X number of presentations reserved for first time presenters. I don't know what the value of X should be but Bess's idea of 15% sounds good to me. I'd personally also like to see a limit to the number of talks someone can give or propose, but I know this has been brought up before and, at least in the past, there was not overwhelming support for this. Edward -- Edward M. Corrado On Nov 27, 2012, at 18:41, Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com wrote: I am not volunteering to write the voting mechanism for this, but what if we had two rounds of voting? 1. First round, anonymous (people who follow these things avidly would of course have read everyone's names on the wiki, but I think for most people not having the names listed means you have removed the names from consideration). We use the current system of assigning points. Once you've cast that ballot, then you get ballot 2: 2. The same ballot with the names present. You now have the opportunity to change your vote, if you want to. It might be because you didn't realize that person who secretly bores you was one of the speakers. It might be because what at first looked like just another talk about marc software sounds more compelling if its from someone who's never spoken before. I wonder if we might also set aside a separate competition for first time speakers? Say, 15% of the talks? Assuming that generally speaking, offering ways for early-career folks or those new to public speaking to participate is a good thing and would benefit diversity as a bonus. Bess On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu
[CODE4LIB]
This thread seems to have meandered a ways from what seemed like a perfectly good suggestion from Cynthia: that the program committee be allowed some leeway and/or encouraged to exercise some judgement with the talk selection. I don't see why a change like that necessitates a big, centralized, formal organization (like SXSW has). And -1 on anonymous proposal authors for the reasons jrochkind mentioned. --jay On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Edward M Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.uswrote: I am not thrilled with the idea of anonymous proposals as I think that goes against the openness non-organization that is code4lib. Also based on the numbers posted earlier it seems inputs are more of an issue then the voting. However, I love the idea of X number of presentations reserved for first time presenters. I don't know what the value of X should be but Bess's idea of 15% sounds good to me. I'd personally also like to see a limit to the number of talks someone can give or propose, but I know this has been brought up before and, at least in the past, there was not overwhelming support for this. Edward -- Edward M. Corrado On Nov 27, 2012, at 18:41, Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com wrote: I am not volunteering to write the voting mechanism for this, but what if we had two rounds of voting? 1. First round, anonymous (people who follow these things avidly would of course have read everyone's names on the wiki, but I think for most people not having the names listed means you have removed the names from consideration). We use the current system of assigning points. Once you've cast that ballot, then you get ballot 2: 2. The same ballot with the names present. You now have the opportunity to change your vote, if you want to. It might be because you didn't realize that person who secretly bores you was one of the speakers. It might be because what at first looked like just another talk about marc software sounds more compelling if its from someone who's never spoken before. I wonder if we might also set aside a separate competition for first time speakers? Say, 15% of the talks? Assuming that generally speaking, offering ways for early-career folks or those new to public speaking to participate is a good thing and would benefit diversity as a bonus. Bess On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu
[CODE4LIB]
Speaking from the program committee perspective, we went through the proposals that were voted into the conference by the community and made sure there was each presenter was at the podium for only one presentation. There was one case where we asked someone who was voted in for a solo presentation and also a joint presentation to relinquish one spot, which happened. It does make sense to reserve a percentage of slots for first-time Code4Lib presenters. 15% sounds like a good number to experiment with for next year. Are there any objections from the community for doing that? (Do we need to find a way to formalize consensus in the group?) Peter On Nov 27, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote: I also think it is a good idea to reserve a certain number/percentage of speaking slots to first-time presenters. I also want to bring up (again) the issue of presenters presenting more than once. We are looking at a conference with 400 attendees -- 400! How can we justify having anyone on the podium more than once? I mean, seriously? I think we need to realize that we have grown to the point that we need more management than we have in the past. Remember that we also still have open-ended slots for lightning talks and breakouts. It isn't like I'm calling for the kind of strictness that ALA imposes. Roy On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Edward M Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.uswrote: I am not thrilled with the idea of anonymous proposals as I think that goes against the openness non-organization that is code4lib. Also based on the numbers posted earlier it seems inputs are more of an issue then the voting. However, I love the idea of X number of presentations reserved for first time presenters. I don't know what the value of X should be but Bess's idea of 15% sounds good to me. I'd personally also like to see a limit to the number of talks someone can give or propose, but I know this has been brought up before and, at least in the past, there was not overwhelming support for this. Edward -- Edward M. Corrado On Nov 27, 2012, at 18:41, Bess Sadler bess.sad...@gmail.com wrote: I am not volunteering to write the voting mechanism for this, but what if we had two rounds of voting? 1. First round, anonymous (people who follow these things avidly would of course have read everyone's names on the wiki, but I think for most people not having the names listed means you have removed the names from consideration). We use the current system of assigning points. Once you've cast that ballot, then you get ballot 2: 2. The same ballot with the names present. You now have the opportunity to change your vote, if you want to. It might be because you didn't realize that person who secretly bores you was one of the speakers. It might be because what at first looked like just another talk about marc software sounds more compelling if its from someone who's never spoken before. I wonder if we might also set aside a separate competition for first time speakers? Say, 15% of the talks? Assuming that generally speaking, offering ways for early-career folks or those new to public speaking to participate is a good thing and would benefit diversity as a bonus. Bess On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I'll second the idea of approaching people individually and explicitly asking them to participate. It worked on me. I never would have written my first article for the Code4Lib Journal or become a member of the editorial committee if someone hadn't encouraged me individually (Thanks Jonathan!). It would also be good to find a way to somehow target the pool of lurkers who maybe aren't already connected to someone and get them more involved. As far as anonymous proposals go, we recently had a very good workshop on implicit bias here. Someone brought up that found significant changes in the gender proportions in symphony orchestras after candidates started auditioning behind screens. There are also lots of studies about the different responses to the same resume/application depending on whether a stereotypically male/female or white/black name was used. Probably it's impossible to make proposals completely anonymous, but it would be an interesting experiment to leave off the names. Kelley PS Interestingly, I wouldn't instinctively self-identify as a member of the Code4Lib community, although my first thought is that that has more to do with not being a coder than with being a woman. ** Kelley McGrath Metadata Management Librarian University of Oregon Libraries 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403 541-346-8232 kell...@uoregon.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
It should be low barrier and low risk for individuals to tell us/someone when they feel uncomfortable. Hopefully with enough detail to allow for remediation/change. Riffing from Naomi, and others, about the worry that people might be both upset and not know how to proceed: We have enough clearly lovely people in the community that I wonder if we couldn't find a couple or more that could be identified as ombudspersonesque types on a per-conference basis. A person or persons, identified several times during the conference ,and with other directory information (email) one could go to with the guarantee of anonymity who could at a minimum listen and if desired try to constructively deal with the situation. I'll say that at my first conference I was somewhat startled by the back channel chatter. It took me a while to understand, parse, and not worry so much about it...and then to take some gems from it. -t
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I agree. I've only been to one Code4Lib so far, but I felt the lightning talks were a fine outlet for those not selected to get an opportunity to still present something. Aaron Collier Library Academic Systems Analyst California State University, Fresno - Henry Madden Library 559.278.2945 acoll...@csufresno.edu http://www.csufresno.edu/library - Original Message - From: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:53:57 PM Subject: [CODE4LIB] On 11/27/2012 4:46 PM, Shaun Ellis wrote: I agree with Tom. If you look at the links Andromeda sent earlier in this thread, both conference organizers reported dramatic increases in the number of under-represented presenters simply by 1) making the proposal authors anonymous during voting Hmm, is the proposal author a legitimate (or illegitimate) criteria to judge proposals on? I tend to think it's actually legitimate; there are some people I know will give a valuable presentation because of who they are, and others who's expertise I might trust on some topics but not others. I don't think this is illegitimate, and wouldn't want to take this information away from voters. We are, after all, voting not just on a topic, but on a topic to be presented by a certain person or people. (I would be quite fine with having some of the program decided upon by the program committee not by the voters at large though! Using a variety of criteria. In addition to issues of diversity in presenters, I think it could also in general improve the quality of presentations and topical diversity as well).
